Dutch Mantell on Why TNA Hesitated on Putting the NWA Title on Raven

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Dutch Mantell on Why TNA Hesitated on Putting the NWA Title on Raven
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@kaledadam3955 Жыл бұрын

Notice when they finally put the title on Raven tna had no tv deal during his entire run

@neilsmith9066 Жыл бұрын

Congratulations Raven!!!! Well Deserved

@pauliewalnuts829 Жыл бұрын

I always thought Raven had a cool moveset. I thought the Russian Leg Sweep onto the guard rail was cool.

@ComaAlpha 3 ай бұрын

The corner clothesline to bulldog. Front corner bump followed by clothesline. Drop toe hold to open chair. He had great creativity in the ring.

@mikejejenich7116 Жыл бұрын

Always was a big raven guy. Loved the charecter. And his flock. 🦅 🦅

@bigglilwayne7050 Жыл бұрын

I'm guessing Double J would be the major hurdle in that happening

@mrcold8966 Жыл бұрын

I was huge fan of raven and was so bummed that his title reign began right after the TV deal with fox sport net fell through and ended just as they got the deal with spike meaning most fans including myself totally missed it

@cesarcanete3402 Жыл бұрын

I remember the TNA fox sports net days. Raven at the time feuding with Larry Zbysko (who was their on screen authority figure or something) when he was NWA World Champion. Those Fox Sports net days were great. That where I discovered who Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, The Fallen Angel Christopher Danielson, the 3 Live Kru & my favorite TNA wrestler ever, the Alpha male Monty Brown. That guy was freaking hilarious & built like a world champion.

@mrcold8966 Жыл бұрын

I wasn't a huge fan of it because it followed the formula of TV wrestling from 1980's NWA meaning you didn't really get any matches of any consequence, they were all for the most part squash matches and meant to advertise the the big shows. Plus the 3:00 pm time slot really really hurt em

@paulkendrick4153 7 ай бұрын

@@cesarcanete3402 Raven is the most underrated wrestler in pro wrestling history

@Zkittles98 Жыл бұрын

As a kid, I found TNA through weekly PPV’s as we had a Hacked Black Box so we had free PPV every week, Raven, Chris Daniels and AJ Styles had been the wrestlers I gravitated towards. Raven was my favorite wrestler from 2003-2005 as a kid, I used too do the Raven cross taunt all the time like a MARK.

@nubreaks2 Жыл бұрын

So, you are admitting bootlegging and taking money out of the pockets of struggling performers....😲😲😲

@Zkittles98 Жыл бұрын

@@nubreaks2 lol I was a kid mate. I’m not the only one who had the black box with the breadties in the back

@99somerville 17 күн бұрын

“Hot boxes” used to go for $300 and were available from the guys who worked for the cable company.

@MrTodfoulk Жыл бұрын

scotty the body wrestled in portland for years back in the day! met him at a warrant concert when my buddy got in a row with some people wanting my buddy to sit down. between sets raven tapped my buddy on the shoulder and said way to go for not backing down. lol wrestler knew a wrestler.

@jd9119 Жыл бұрын

You probably shouldn't tell people you've been to a Warrant concert.

@ADAM_COLLECTS Жыл бұрын

according to rumour and innuendo, when Raven went back to WWE after the fall of WCW, Vince McMahon allegedly said “who the hell hired Johnny Polo?”

@TheBlindEye90 Жыл бұрын

Get your own phrase.

@bigvito9008 Жыл бұрын

Scotty Flamingo?

@nohbuddy1 Жыл бұрын

Funny because Raven was hired in late 2000

@johnnybiggs1419 Жыл бұрын

I lived in Portland still do Portland wrestling was a great show lasted over 60 years sad it went away. I saw over 100 live shows

@95750991 Жыл бұрын

I guess Dutch forgot Raven was in Memphis twice. In the late 80's as Scott Levy and in the early 90's as Scotty Flamingo. In all fairness i can't if Dutch was there. He was in and out so much.

@nubreaks2 Жыл бұрын

I am surprised that Scotty and Dutch never crossed paths in Memphis.

@j.d.6915 Жыл бұрын

I'm actually surprised that a guy as well travelled as Dutch didn't get over to the West Coast.

@continentalflyer9596 Жыл бұрын

What you are referring to when Raven got his head shaved, its not the fact it was shaved the wrong way, they used lamb sheers instead of head clippers. So when you shear a lamb, the sheers are stronger so it can get through the thick wool, they are sharper so when they go to cut Raven's hair, they literally scalped him and cut him very badly. You can see when he is selling like he is out, he is almost wincing because it hurt that bad. And it wasnt 2005, it would have been around the 2002-2003 Nashville era and I think Dutch was still in iWA Puerto Rico at that time.

@bigvanpapi 2 ай бұрын

I remember discovering TNA in late Summer/early fall of 06. Right when Sting made his official debut for TNA (not including his one match in 03) including Kurt Angle head butting Samoa Joe and became a fan instantly because it had the names but it was alternative and opposite of WWE. I was drawn more as a fan because of Raven & Abyss with their characters being so different from the actual big names!

@JOBdOut Жыл бұрын

Kinda surprised Uncle Zeb never bumped into Johnny Polo

@gonzalogca4907 Жыл бұрын

According to Konnan and Disco Inferno, Raven was politicking with Dixie and trying to get more power. That’s why JJ decided to beat him in their big title match to punish him.

@davidjsaul Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's why Jarrett put himself over all those guys. To punish them for politicking... 🙄

@TheChristianNomad Жыл бұрын

Jerrett is the type of guy who would book himself to beat Vince McMahon and God in a two on one match. And he'd insist on giving God a fisherman's suplex as a finisher.

@korywilliamsO.G.1 Жыл бұрын

@@TheChristianNomad You apparently don't know Jeff OR how this business really works. Jeff put over damn near everyone in TNA. Go back and do some fact checking and quit going off assumptions based on what you HEARD!!!!

@mrcold8966 Жыл бұрын

Yeah people forget that Jarrett was with the company for close to 15 years and was on top for about 2 years so to me me this whole idea of him being this spotlight hog seems absurd

@TheChristianNomad Жыл бұрын

@@korywilliamsO.G.1 calm down its wrestling.

@McFarlaneDragonClan Жыл бұрын

If Dutch ever wanted to get back into the square circle, he could just have his mustache do the wrestling for him. 🤭😂

@mikeburch5201 Жыл бұрын

Does seem to have a mind of its own. That stach

@Blacattacsquadron Жыл бұрын

Impossible fella. Can't top Ox Baker man. He stole part of Baker's gimmick. Stop the nonsense.

@harveymcelroy9332 Жыл бұрын

Lmao

@jd9119 Жыл бұрын

@@Blacattacsquadron Yeah Ox had a bitching mustache. But he also had the evil eyebrows too.

@matthewthomas9194 2 ай бұрын

It was jeff Jarret that didn't like raven

@znalniaskas Жыл бұрын

Let me guess, Slapnuts said "that doesn't work for me, pal!"

@stanr9397 Жыл бұрын

He actually worked Memphis as scotty the body. Lol.

@qualityserviceexperts9996 Жыл бұрын

Well...I just wanted to leave a comment because well....I like these interviews with Dutch and well...he seems like a likeable guy for well...being called "dirty".

@charlesblake8388 Жыл бұрын

Well....I believe you are right Well....there's something wrong if people don't realize that

@qualityserviceexperts9996 Жыл бұрын

@@charlesblake8388 Well....I believe I'm gonna have to agree on that one right there. Have I told you that? Well, if I didn't, I thought I did, but....well, just nevermind then.

@Mr.Majestic77 Жыл бұрын

Anthem Sports & Entertainment should have an Impact Wrestling Booking Creative Executive Committee made up of Raven, Scott D'Amore, Tommy Dreamer, Bully Ray & Brother Devon.

@quentinkaasa47 Жыл бұрын

Makes no sense. The promotion is never going to grow. They may as well merge with what's left of the NWA.

@Mr.Majestic77 Жыл бұрын

@@quentinkaasa47 not a bad merger. Come to think of, Impact Wrestling did originate from the National Wrestling Alliance. That would mean that there would be the following shows: NWA Impact: Worldwide, NWA Impact: Powerrr & NWA Impact: Xplosion (possibly an all women's show). List of NWA Impact Championships: NWA Worlds Heavyweight Championship, Impact World Championship, NWA World Tag Team Championships, Impact World Tag Team Championships, NWA World Television Championship, Impact Digital Media Championship, NWA National Championship, NWA World Junior Heavyweight Championship, Impact X Division Championship, NWA Women's World Championship, Impact Knockouts World Championship, NWA Women's World Tag Team Championships and the Impact Knockouts World Tag Team Championships.

@louis3141 Жыл бұрын

“WHAT ABOUT RAVEN!!”

@fafafofo2 Жыл бұрын

Welcome to Raven's Clockwork Orange House Of Fun.

@rickyhurtt5568 Жыл бұрын

How bad is it when you don't know which way to use a pair of scissors?

@ComaAlpha 3 ай бұрын

Raven should've been the Sara Stalker instead of Page. Booker, Page, and RVD should've been booked as faces to make it a bit more fair.

@CarnivoreAF 9 ай бұрын

Raven is an awesome wrestler!

@jonathandobbs8916 Жыл бұрын

Raven worked Memphis as Scotty the Body

@jameschilders7423 Жыл бұрын

Got over, not sure why? Congratulations to him

@purdhupley7864 Жыл бұрын

Dutch would have done well in Portland

@pendafen7405 Жыл бұрын

Interviewer is very cute, looks like MLF crossed with Chris Sabin from certain angles

@thaddeusbylewski4662 Жыл бұрын

Raven won The NWA World Heavyweight Championship.Im not arguing.Raven held The Ten Pounds of Gold.

@willdallas53 Жыл бұрын

Raven wanted control of the book at tna so double j kept him away from the belt. It’s not hard to figure out when you know about his aspirations behind the scenes.

@Spooky_515 Жыл бұрын

Really? I’ve always heard JJ is a mark for himself

@ShaneusSnake Жыл бұрын

@@Spooky_515 JJ obviously a mark for himself back then. Self booking as a super hero was the most cringe title run of all time. Would rather watch the Luigi pizza guy wrestle

@slow71971 Жыл бұрын

@@ShaneusSnake lmao!🤣

@slow71971 Жыл бұрын

@@ShaneusSnake JJ obviously had that Jerry Lawler syndrome.

@heelturnsface Жыл бұрын

You’re a moron

@christhornycroft3686 Жыл бұрын

Inasmuch as I always say many of the old promoters and wrestlers got it when it came to a lot of things, they were also resistant to gimmick changes and cultural changes, as all older people are. When you're young, usually you're a part of whatever's going on culturally and socially. As you get older, you lose that. Nobody over 45 in the 90s was going to understand the Raven character or what exactly it was about and even if they did, they wouldn't have given it the same legitimacy as one of their old school gimmicks. It's just how it is. The older guys obviously understand psychology, timing and booking better than the younger guys, but that's why you leave booking to bookers and overall presentation of a wrestling promotion to a younger person, because hopefully they'll be able to connect what the booker wants to a contemporary audience. Heyman was great creatively and in terms of presentation, but he needed an experienced booker to tell him when he'd gone too far. On the other side of the coin, an experienced booker would need a Paul Heyman in the 90s or a Raven to help bridge the gap between wrestling booking and psychology with a presentation that most people in the 90s were going to accept. It doesn't matter if you have great matches. If everything looks like it's out of 1980 and it's 1995, you're not going very far. You'll have to buy a bus to take all your fans to a from the retirement home.

@michaelmccarthy2840 Жыл бұрын

Raven was A Spoiled Brat.

@mitchcolburn1216 Жыл бұрын

Because Jeff Jarrett wanted to bury everybody and make himself the star. Notice how the quality of the show improved whenever Jeff wasn't around.

@korywilliamsO.G.1 Жыл бұрын

That's a lie. Besides without Jeff where were all of these guys going to wrestle??? You people in the comment section don't think about things like this.

@mitchcolburn1216 Жыл бұрын

@@korywilliamsO.G.1 Hey, we found your burner account, Jeff. News flash, just giving guys a job isn't commendable if you don't use them to their full capabilities, and Jeff very clearly did not because he wanted to make himself the star of the show which he never was in any metric. Couldn't draw, mediocre talker and bland wrestler. Useless as a main eventer.

@korywilliamsO.G.1 Жыл бұрын

@@mitchcolburn1216 At what point did I say that he was a Main Eventer???? Not using guys to their full capabilities sounds like Tony Khan. So answer my question, where were these guys going to wrestle if it were not for TNA??? Vince didn't want them, there was NO WCW and they over priced themselves for ROH at the time.

@mitchcolburn1216 Жыл бұрын

@@korywilliamsO.G.1 Vince ended up signing several of them, dope. And he didn't use them well either for the most part but that's beside the point. Monty Brown, Ron Killings, Abyss, AJ Styles, James Storm and Bobby Roode were easily better than Jarrett but Jarrett buried them to make himself look good.

@korywilliamsO.G.1 Жыл бұрын

@@mitchcolburn1216 You're the DOPE!!! Let's break down YOUR comment, shall we? Everyone that you listed with the exception on Ron Killings who was K-Kwik in the WWF and AJ Styles who turned down a developmental contract in 2001 because he didn't want to relocate to Ohio after the purchase of WCW, NONE of them were on Vince's radar UNTIL they were in TNA. If you actually watched the shows, NONE of these guys were ever BURIED in TNA as you so idiotly put it. They were ALL pushed!!!! Give me one example of ANY of these guys being buried!!!

@tkm3828 Жыл бұрын

DDP stole Ravens ideas

@chuynunez6065 Жыл бұрын

Dirty Dutch if he dont make it to the WWE Hall of Fame his Mustach and hairy fur should

@rosemaryfarell5264 Жыл бұрын

JJ never drew a dime!!!! His TNA reign of terror was shocking.

@richardwolcott5567 Жыл бұрын

Dixie Carter what are you doing in this business absolutely nothing.

@rict5878 Жыл бұрын

Jeff Jarret was a southern territory guy. Never shoulda been a Big Two guy.

@Bale4Bond Жыл бұрын

Raven is the 90's equivalent of CM Punk. Overrates his own drawing ability and star appeal, while managing to indoctrinate a lot of fans to his bullshit way of thinking. Both are picture perfect narcissists, but atleast Raven seems to have mellowed over the last ten years.

@MyNameIsUnavailable Жыл бұрын

As a nearly 50 year old man and a 40 year fan...I COMPLETELY concur

@AcesPlace22 Жыл бұрын

Raven was atleast interesting. I see the similarities 100% though.

@inutero10 Жыл бұрын

Raven was perfect for Ecw. He got over as a mother fucer there. But no $ in it. He got marginalized in wcw and became irrelevant in wwf.

@Spooky_515 Жыл бұрын

Wtf are you talking about? Raven never claimed anything about drawing power or Star appeal. Infact he’s joked about him and Jericho being the 10 and 11th biggest star in WCW

@yoholmes273 Жыл бұрын

Raven is no fake wannabe tough guy. Raven never truly honestly believed he was "best in the world" as a pro wrestler. Both men are really weird cats. Raven was a solid hand, with solid ideas, who creatively had much to offer. Punk is totally delusional & truly believed he was the very best thing since sliced bread. Punk truly believed he , as middle aged guy off the street with no training, could actually win an MMA fight in the best MMA company in the world THe UFC! Raven is no PUNK. Thank goodness because one goofy CM DORK is enough for all of us....