That would be incredible to watch pan out. I think it would be worth it for fortress mode to widen into other forms of settlements first tho, like founding a human town or elven enclave or whatever before it's gets unified with adventure mode

@@LINKedup101 I would enjoy being able to play as other races in fortress mode

@@andrebenoit404 Easily achievable with mods.

@@Skartak this is true, but seeing official support would be excellent

@@LINKedup101 watch chamberpoint from kruggsmash. That fort was multicultural and started with adventurers.

True, after playing it a few times it becomes very easy. The biggest difficulty are buttons, menus and the identification of the ASCII code. Other than that it is a base building game like any other. The world and random stories are what make it unique and interesting.

@@gabrielhagetv exactly, the base building was never even tarn/zachs focus in the first place, it's a world simulation first and a base building game second

@@nachfullbarertrank5230 Indeed!

The hardest concept for me was the whole ijklm and uo and weird keys like that for building, it was just so unintuitive.

@@gabrielhagetv I got the lazy noob pack bundle of the 2021 version of Dwarf Fortress and I have to say that the included tile sets really make a difference for anyone put off by the ASCII style graphics. It also makes modding simple and includes a lot of optional quality of life tweaks, control options and even some additional options to help it run on weaker and/or older computers.

I might still play the game on classic mode, cause the sprites make you look at it through a certain artists' interpretation and it's hard to look past that.

Rather than option, maintaining two whole sets of UI is more work than just having two separate tilesets.

I prefer the UI as it is in version 47, i don't want UI, i don't want buttons which can be pressed with the mouse, for me keyboard control is a lot easier

@@goldtecgt Having played and grown accustomed to v47 for a while it's having to re-learn how the UI works in v50 all over again lol. Both UIs have their merits so it pretty much boils down to personal preference but it is more work to have to support multiple UIs so it'll probably stay "freemium" moving forward, unless it can be modded somehow.

it's not an option, it's a forced massive objective downgrade. we used to have all controls visible on screen at all times. now it's all hidden behind tooltips for buttons with ambiguous icons you have to mouse over. we used to have to press fewer buttons to get things done. we used to be able to play the game with just keyboard, which is infinitely faster. df is not a game to be played with a mouse. half the keybinds used to make sense (d for dig? not anymore!). now none of them do.

I used to play this every day for decades. I haven't touched it since it launched on Steam. I feel dropped by the devs and it's too bad. I don't think old school players and their control needs should be superseded by new players and streamers. It was my favourite game, I had a famous classic Adventure Mode thread on the forums, I was such a big fan, I got dozens of people into DF. I do play Kenshi now (as mentioned in the video-- I honestly don't see any similarities except it's "hard" [hardly] and made by a small team so it has an old school vibe), Rimworld, SS13, and many other games too, but nothing fulfills me like a classic game control scheme you knew intimately. I like roguelikes, ASCII roguelikes. I simply cannot learn new keystrokes or adding in the mouse (unnecessarily!) after training in the classic for so many years to get fluent in it. I never predicted that DF would drop me in favour of people who grew up on Minecraft; they didn't even consider that their decades-long players would want to keep their control schema? Ever since DF's steam release, and knowing I'll never be able to look forward to another ASCII release on the website, I haven't played and haven't enjoyed it. I wish them luck, they deserve great success, and I am very happy with them, but just like a lot of other franchises and worlds that I was loyal and engaged by, it seems the 2010s-2020s has been about dumping the baby (me) out with the bathwater (whatever vintage grog I was steeping in.) I hope new fans love it as much as old fans did, and it pays off for them. I hope a new ASCII game rises up and takes the place of DF so players can still have a thriving community of old school gaming.

I hope so too!

Play RimWorld

@@chucklefuck ah yes, war crimes simulator

I did, I have 4000 hours and did not enjoy the game post 1.0

@@chucklefuck let me share a story of one of my Dwarf Fortress playthrough using a necromancer mod. I build a necromancer community. One day a mighty dwarf army attacked so I flooded the plains outside (a premade trap) to drown them while sending zombies who can walk under water and don't need to breath to fight them. Meanwhile necromancers are on picnic on top of the tower viewing the battle below. One of the zombies was smashed to pieces...the necromancer who made it went insane from grief. I build an underground city of necromancer with flowing canals of water and waterfall. The water I could remove or reflow anywhere using the mechanism including flooding the world above as a superweapon of my own creative design. An underground workshop beneath the mighty mega tower making magical tools and flesh into monstrous undead arts. Necromancer striving to upgrade into the eternal lich. Can RimWorld give me that same experience? There's other mods...human empire, succubus demonic community, kobold...and now with premium df...my imagination can run wild.

I didnt see the first version anywhere in this video

@@thaumly You don't really need to have that in this video for a good portion of the community. Look it up! You might be surprised by how far the game has come since then.

I first played about a year or two before toady added the Z axis, and I was terrible at it then. Adding verticality made it even more awesome, and made me even worse due to the added complexity. I haven't played much since, though I occasionally toy with it and I still keep up with what's being added and stuff. Definitely excited about this release, and will be picking it up on Steam fo sho (just now picked up the soundtrack on Bandcamp that released today!)

Same

I think I mentioned, yeah and I can't wait to just outright buy it.

@@BlindiRL the soundtrack released today on various platforms, go buy it! (unless you meant you just can't wait to buy the game, in which case we only have two more days to wait!!)

There are some mechanical changes but these are upgrades / changes that were coming regardless. Some workshops are renamed and some jobs are moved around. Obviously there is impact from the ui rework. Its still the same game and the same code, just a major major update.

@@BlindiRL Can you tell us more about these changes?

It seems world gen is much quicker now.

@@KesSharann My guess is that the new version is using multithreading. Or just has reworked worldgen algorithm. Or both. But yes, in it seems WAY faster.

You may have already seen it, but Kitfox themselves have begun releasing recorded streams of playing a new game in Premium from scratch. It's also great for getting a look at every little detail of the new UI and graphics for people like me who are impatient and want to actually see all the changes in action rather than in screenshots.

I've had plenty of experience with text-mode rougelikes so it took me next to no effort to get accustomed with DF's ASCII graphics but it can certainly be a hurdle for someone not used to seeing worlds in a bunch of flashing letters and dots. Tilesets are an awesome middle ground but I can't seem to find one that I'd fully get behind lol.

Unfortunately no, Tarn is not interested in supporting multiple ux options.

It won't be available right away as its still being worked on but there will be a ingame toggle to toggle ascii on / graphics on.

Probably but I don't expect it to be needed.

Hope it was helpful!

They've earned it. I hope it's the best Christmas they've ever had.

Eh, I seriously doubt it. Dwarf fortress is a niche game of a niche market. But a -man- dorf can dream...

@@oz_jones True but I seriously think this graphical change will bring in many more people especially with how popular Rimworld has gotten.

After launch both of them will be updated simultaneously, as tarn stated.

The updates will be as simultaneous as possible forever and ongoing.

Wdym by the MC analogy?

No worries!

Same! Can't wait for earth to be struck.

Yep. But have a bit of fath in humans and don't be a dick. If someone wants to, cool. But optimally everyone will tip bay12 or buy the game.

Mod support is expanded upon I believe

@@waynedude7349 oh true they have like workshop support

Yes.

Yes.

If you are asking me, it's quite flexible. There was an underwater mod for a bit and I've see plenty of race mods.

Thanks!

😂plain and simple.

Yes on all counts.

I prefer the old UI using only a keyboard, it's much easier for me to play

They don't deserve a cent for this downgrade that has even more bugs than now unmaintained 0.47

@@shinobuoshino5066wah wah wah, cry me a fucking river, dork. theyll get all that shit sorted out.

To late, new UI for the old game. Zach and tarn have been open about not being able to support two UI schemes as it would be developing two code bases.

Sure, its an action adventure :P This video is for people who don't play a lot of deep niche games. Bear with me lol.

Door fortress has always been extremely modable and will continue to be.

Old versions to new versions no. Probably when people update it. Probably when people update it.

Both get that.

@@BlindiRL that's awesome that the free version gets the updated ui. Seems like premium is pretty much just the new graphics. I'll gladly buy on steam to support them. Steam workshop support is also big for mods.

@@BlindiRL btw, I've been listening to dwarf fortress roundtable at work and you were a great guest.

Yep! It'll be a toggle in the options menu.

Yes.

Hell yeah.

Nope, it will not be in the game for a few months-year till its fully updated. This goes for both premium and classic.

Very nice

Thanks for watching Navy!

Considering it already runs in wine I'm quite sure people will find a way.

@@BlindiRL ah yea ill try wine, ill do my best to find a way lol, if not ill have to buy a cheap laptop

www.bay12games.com/dwarves/ post from 07/25/2022

It just takes time to do the interfaces. He's focusing on doing a great job with the most popular game modes, and then he'll do the less popular ones. Tarn loves Adventure mode, much more than Fortress Mode. There's zero fear in the hardcore DF community that Adventure will get left behind in a serious way.

From the current roadmap and recent interviews it seems converting the UI for adventure mode could take another 6 months, possibly longer. Tarn and Zach have decided to release now and add adventure mode later, instead of releasing in 6 to 12 months from now. They know it will disappoint some people. The online polls and discussions suggest the majority of players would prefer fortress mode now, so they're looking at that group currently. Adventure mode is still on the roadmap, so it will get released with the new UI in the next major update.

You can now with df hack and will be able to soon in ver50.

@@BlindiRL ah yes dfhack fixing bugs that didn't need to exist... If this game was free software as in everyone is free to modify the code, such stupid hacks wouldn't need to exist, but of course dev kept the source closed because he was eventually planning to cash out (and ruin everything good about the game such as fast keyboard-only fort management). There were people playing for 18 years and now the rug is pulled from under their feet. Typical proprietary software experience. The least he could've done is released DF 0.47 code, so we can fix it by ourselves, since steam "playerbase" and people who actually care about the game (DFHACK devs especially who fix countless bugs for 0 pay) are two vastly different things and steam only exists for the money. And now the thing that makes money is given priority despite being worse while people supported him via other means for the original that was strictly more streamlined for anyone who was actually invested in the game. People who are so vapid that a tileset turns them off (despite your ability to use any tileset) wouldn't care if this game turned into complete shit and so that's exactly what will happen as long as toady gets money. Shit like this is why I never donate to anyone for anything, they will stab you in the kidney and ask for more.

@@shinobuoshino5066 i don't think anyone wants your donations, what a bitter human you are

Yes it will.

You could make them bigger with umkh in the embark screen.

@@BlindiRL heck yeah man. thanks

dwarf fortress in the caves of qud setting would be incredible

@@the-letter_s so true

Tbh kenshi is closer but qud is a great game.

@@BlindiRL Yeah but i feel like the difference between DF adventure mode and CoQ is a lot less than Kenshi and adventure mode (the look of the game and how it plays, etc.)

I guess for me its cause qud is dice based, so things that are not based on dice feel nothing like qud to me :D

Same time or as close to same time as possible.

:D

Yes.

I can play classic just fine right now :)

Kinda yeah.

It won't be in /at launch/ it also won't be in the 0.50.01 classic update either. Not until they give the UI the same treatment as fortress mode. So you'll have to stick to 47 till then.

@@BlindiRL yup real shame

The first 10 or so hours to a huge amount of getting used to for me. But at this point it feels like the same game.

@@BlindiRL I expect I'll agree in a couple of hours!

:D

Mouse control and basic hotkeys for menus kind of sucks then sure.

Cuz they are fundamentally different games that can be played and enjoyed independently of one another.

Rimworld is pretty, but shallow.

Literally no

@@tomface55 in what sense?

DF is insanely more complex than Rimworld but ok.

I've beat rogue and almost best brogue. First roguelike I played was moria.

@@BlindiRL then why is your first point of comparison cdda and fucking skyrim? liar.

Thats why classic is still a free option!