The Big Four - Accounting firms under scrutiny

The Big Four - Accounting firms under scrutiny | DW Documentary

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The Wirecard scandal brought the role of big auditing firms into focus. Their work is supposed to create trust in companies. But are appearances deceptive?
EY, PwC, KPMG and Deloitte: these "Big Four" auditing firms are hardly household names. Yet they play a key role in the global economy.
They have also all been at the center of a number of major financial scandals. For ten years, auditors at EY (Ernst & Young) certified Wirecard's annual financial statements. They failed to uncover that a network of fraudsters were using accounting tricks to write billions into Wirecard's books over several years.
Hundreds of Wirecard employees lost their jobs, and thousands of investors lost a total of €4.5 billion. Why didn't the auditors recognize the fraud? Were they negligent, overextended?
The Big Four dominate the global audit industry, and their vast knowledge of company- and tax-law making them indispensable. Because growth opportunities in auditing have largely been exhausted, the Big Four offer a raft of consulting services, not only to the companies they audit but also to governments. Have the Big Four become too powerful -- even out of control?
This documentary explores the role auditors played in the Wirecard scandal, investigates potential conflict of interest within the Big Four, and sheds light on the companies’ role within a complex web of political and economic dependencies.
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@vcrkm5222 Жыл бұрын

I am ex-PwC myself and I think another issue that gets overlooked is the pressure on billable hours that is put on all layers from juniors all the way to the senior manager levels. It does happen that junior auditors could be working on multiple engagements due to planning and it's almost like industrial churn. So you end up having junior auditors who are inexperienced and yet they don't get proper mentorship from their seniors and on top they are too far removed from the business to truly understand how it operates. As a result they don't really know what to look out for when on the field. You end up with a culture of "just get on with the work program so that my manager sees that I ticked off all the right boxes, get a good end of assignment evaluation and then move on to the next" In parallel, managers are exhausted from checking the work papers of several auditors on different engagements and this could lead to confusion etc. A full overhaul is needed from top to bottom in the Big-4 as there are just too many scandals with their involvement, that just seem to go off either unpunished or lightly punished with a slap on the wrist.

@grazynkatodisco4916 Жыл бұрын

They just keep outsmarting anyone.. The key to that is not having a proper training so they hire dumb junior and senior... auditors. It works.

@xcjsmith5310 6 ай бұрын

I am ex-PwC myself, it is true like what you said. They literally will allocate senior position to people who dont understand the industry or the Company well and there is no proper mentor or senior to guide you. Our professional faces labour turnover and only follow procedures to meet deadline.

@AlanTheBeast100 5 ай бұрын

What's needed is to break up the "big 4". They are out of control money machines that have lost objective. They should have to put up a bond equal to 20% of their annual revenue subject to seizure for incompetence such as with wirecard.

@yeetboi268 4 ай бұрын

and don't forget how small is the pay compared to the workloads

@whyisthishandletaken 4 ай бұрын

Ex-KPMG and everything you just said is true.

@rworld9410 Жыл бұрын

"A public auditor does not need to be an angel they should only be an independent". Precisely and well said!

@dynamikausa Жыл бұрын

Then there are laws.

@blardymunggas6884 Жыл бұрын

People in west are still so blind. They can’t see that Russia and China is the good guys that are standing up against the 666 that disguised itself as the false prophet, the one that Jesus had warned all of us. Despite all the signs God has shown us, these people still choose to be blind. As Jesus said “ No one is more blind than a person that refuse to see and that is a big sin”. Lets look at some of God’s sign shall we : 1. They sanctioned Russia but it only made Russia richer and stronger with the complete opposite effects onto themselves. 2. They wanted regime change in Russia and China but we are only seeing their own leaders falling one after another. Lets not even talk about how Joey fell from the stairs and bicycle. Even Trump was a good guy but yet he immediately lost when he played the anti-china card. Never go against God’s will. 3. Now when Lizz Truss is winning the polls and the moment she starts talking about how she is going to take down Putin, the host in front of her fainted sending Lizz jumping and screaming in fear. So this is the tough person that wants war? Just stating the few out of thousands of other God’s signal. Learn how to identify the false prophet. Don’t worship the wrong God. Also if you look deep into the eyes Biden’s, Clinton’s, George soros, Ursula, Pelosi etc you will notice one thing. There is no soul inside. Its almost like a dead body that is being controlled by that small alien that has taken over the whole body. That is what happens when you sold your soul to the devil

@silenciothequiet3471 Жыл бұрын

Moot point. You can be independent and greedy, there is no correlation between independence and ethics, if you know that the worst that can happen with massive financial crime is a slap on the wrist and a fine you can afford, financial wrongdoings is "manageable". Only when corporate financial crime will be considered as criminal as organized crime and punishable with harsh jail time, then you will have a cleaner financial system. But I doubt many current politicians will agree with this view, they use the same financial services(by proxy) whenever they can get away with it, so nothing to talk about really, unless there is a real societal outrage. It won't happen neither as most of the people have been brainwashed since kindergarten into being "a good boy\girl" and "stop being difficult" whenever they are getting screwed. COVID management and vax issues, Russia-Ukraine conflict have demonstrated this. At this point the asylum is openly run by the inmates.

@NLTops Жыл бұрын

@@silenciothequiet3471 Harsh jailtime and the absorption of every bit of wealth these white-collar criminals own. Even if it's more than the damage they caused. It's the only way to prevent this kind of greed.

@mikecorbeil Жыл бұрын

@RWorld : Not quite right, imo. You wrote, " _"A public auditor does not need to be an angel they should only be an independent". Precisely and well said!_ ". Not quite " _Precisely and well said_ ", for what needs to be additionally emphasized is HONESTY. After all, an independent person can be very dishonest. Acting independently does not necessarily mean with honesty.

@RobertNaik Жыл бұрын

DW is doing some really good stuff right now. Well done.

@DWDocumentary Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment, Robert. :)

@kp6215 Жыл бұрын

As always I never miss a documentary by DW. I saw a documentary about WireCard but a person possibly should be trained in accounting with Electronic Data processing then taught all the angles to hide 🙈 things because Capitalism and the Bernie Madoff affair proved that nobody should trust anyone always get an independent audit but sadly during the 2008 financial crisis the three rating agencies also gave the investment a rating of A but was over 50% junk. There was a law that banks could not use the savings or account of customers for the investment side of the banks. When that wall was eliminated the fraud started and every government should allowed those companies to go out of business and fail. But Corporate Welfare exists for the rich with even the crooks such as President Nixon getting a pardon from Ford. Downhill ever since!

@tonysu8860 Жыл бұрын

I found this presentation very informative but superficial in the persons chosen to provide personal testimony. There is absolutely nothing wrong with every person expressing their opinion, but it would have been nice to say more than "this person was fired" and "that person lost his life savings." It could be important to know if the person lost his job unfairly or with just reason. It would have been informative to analyze whether the small investor has means to protect himself instead of simply believing a certified audit is a stamp of veracity and safety (It isn't. In the small print which should accompany every report, the report should state what it can verify and what it can't). When DW doesn't present the whole picture of these testimonials, I feel uncomfortable accepting each person at their word. As of today (this writing) it has been only a year after the "audit of the audit" was published and 9 months after reactions. It will be interesting if after more time there are more or better actions that result from the Wildcard scandal.

@ross.venner Жыл бұрын

I am a retired Chartered Accountant. I was aware of such conflicts during my time with the big firms, indeed I was once denigrated as "a delving auditor." Even before that, during my training, there was discussion of "The Audit Expectation Gap." The near impossibility of detecting high level fraud, if carried out by one or more determined offenders. Detection was doubly difficult if external parties colaborated in the crimes. Well done DW. This issue needs to be followed-up in every country.

@lo2740 Жыл бұрын

thank you for your service, as a cancer (international banker) you have caused most damange to humanity than the vast majority of human beings.

@MrFrussel Жыл бұрын

@@lo2740 What a weak-minded reply. As if people working for big banks/auditors are rotten by default. I think your unnuanced thinking is more of a cancer than his occupation ever was.

@willie7054 Жыл бұрын

Cash Flow should show up the deceit, just like Steinhoff, saw that is 15min on their prior AFS

@secretbunnyninja Жыл бұрын

And oh do they collaborate.

@Davos-st8ok Жыл бұрын

@@lo2740 Auditors aren't bankers. Its quite embarrassing that you don't even have the most rudimentary knowledge of business.

@elenastone6011 Жыл бұрын

They have conflicting interest, they supposed to be auditing at the same time giving consultancy services. They are advisers to governments forming policies then advising corporations to exploit the loopholes. Excellent documentary.

@hoptop3159 Жыл бұрын

A public accounting firm cannot give consulting services to an audit client. It ruins their independence and is against the law. In the U.S.

@comensky Жыл бұрын

@@hoptop3159 same in EU

@gabrielsoo2939 Жыл бұрын

@@hoptop3159 yea so they set up consulting company that is a separate legal entity from the audit firm to provide said consultancy services instead,

@grazynkatodisco4916 Жыл бұрын

Just like Big Pharmacies... Same system. Conflict of interest.

@thesuniu Жыл бұрын

Yeah, they can be the consultant of the very same client they audited once the auditing contract has finished (and that happens many times). How could they properly audit the client when they know that at the end of the auditing contract, the very same client will be their consulting client?

@jaineas Жыл бұрын

Here in Brazil PwC has fallen under scrutiny for, once again, not being able to identify a 20 billion accounting problem in a brazilian company. It made me go back to this documentary and watch it once again because i can't believe how these auditing firms can still work without being punished properly for the demaging consequences of not doing their jobs correctly.

@kauzinside Жыл бұрын

Mesma coisa aqui, eu tinha deixado na metade. Fiz questão de terminar

@MijoShrek Жыл бұрын

Germany just announced banning EY from Germany and slapping them with fines.

@MeiinUK Жыл бұрын

@@MijoShrek : LOL.... This is a split of the accountancy firms.... Basically, Germany doesn't want British firms in European soil. Germany is saving their ass, that is why. Using SAP instead of an accounting firm... Basically Germany wants to protect their stock exchange, as well as their transactions in euro... and they already have the infrastructures, SAP to do it for... Absolutely diabolical...

@thomashale2096 3 ай бұрын

There is a way, but it only really happens when the auditing company collaborates with a company to carry out financial fraud. This is what happened with Enron, and is why we have the big four instead of the big five.

@SonnyBubba 3 ай бұрын

@@thomashale2096 The story I heard about Enron is that when the feds were about to raid Arthur Andersen (the 5th of The Big 5), that someone tipped off the company that the feds were coming. And when the federal agents arrived to raid the place, they found that every available employee was manning every available shredder trying to destroy as much of their Enron work papers as possible.

@tubidu5515 Жыл бұрын

I work with auditors from all 4. They hire cheap labor in recent years and they seem to be overwhelmed and rush through audits the very last minute.

@neldeandra1425 Жыл бұрын

As an auditor I don't think there's ever going to be a workaround. You're always squeezed into impossible deadlines ("we want to close off in 3 weeks after year end" etc) and the volume of work just requires cheap labour because you can't staff a job with 20 auditors costing 100k a year. Clients keep negotiating to keep fees low while their sales volume is growing and requiring double the work. Entire business model just isn't purposeful or profitable anymore

@jlawrence0181 3 ай бұрын

I was involved with the sale of a corporate division. I would get calls and e-mails 24 hours a day as the Big 4 staff was located all over the world

@AtlanticIslander Жыл бұрын

The problem is that these firms often have extremely greedy partners who overwhelm those actually performing the audit by having too few staffed and spreading them on multiple audits. This way they can keep more of the fees for themselves instead of staffing audit engagements appropriately.

@parkerw.2155 Жыл бұрын

Yup. As a junior I was told to take different sample so that we could move the file along. You also can't afford to loose the client.

@ericalorraine7943 Жыл бұрын

Well said! I am also here to learn how to invest after listening to a lady on tv talk about the importance of investing and how she made 7 figure in 3 month, somehow the video taught me nothing and left me even more confused, I'm a newbie and I'm open to ideas on how to invest for retirement

@davidhudson3001 Жыл бұрын

@@ericalorraine7943Think long term, personally i ventured into the market so i won’t be stranded after i retire. A colleague of mine introduced me to CFA " Teresa Jensen White " who drew out retirement plans and they all aligned with what i wanted and had to pick one plan and with her exit and entry strategies on commodities, securities and digital assets, my portfolio has really been diversified with good ROI. I am really impressed by how much i have achieved

@alhajishehu7037 Жыл бұрын

Financial management is a crucial topic that most tend to shy away from, and ends up haunting them in the near future

@lezliewhicker8450 Жыл бұрын

Investment now will be wise but the truth is investing on your own will be a high risk. I think it will be best to get a professional👌

@derekshannon6045 Жыл бұрын

DW doing a service to humanity with these free documentaries

@naheem Жыл бұрын

Writing the rules and then advising companies how to get around he same rules.

@bthemedia Жыл бұрын

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who watches the watchers?

@davidjohnson8655 Жыл бұрын

These hacks are acting like Western governments arent directly responsible this fascist scheme. Nobody is allowed to act in such manner without the support of the Great Western Empire.

@tyler_7749 Жыл бұрын

How do they write the rules?

@ojames1983 Жыл бұрын

Yep. Politics 101.

@BeardedJ Жыл бұрын

How does this comment have almost 200 likes?? The Big 4 doesn’t write the rules…

@mikelane2258 Жыл бұрын

They didn't verify the bank balances and simply trusted a trustee when they said the money was there. 1/3 of this German company's cash was with a trustee in the Philippines. This is pretty negligent. No new laws are needed. Auditing cash is not that hard. Just enforce the existing laws and accounting practices and take away EY's ability to audit German companies for a few years. Watch how quickly things change when you enforce all the laws already in place.

@marthadressel3856 Жыл бұрын

Yes

@tragicrhythm Жыл бұрын

Great reporting. Behind these companies are individuals making decisions. Hold those at the top accountable with serious consequences. This goes for the auditing firms as well as their client corporations engaging in criminal activities. There’s no point in penalizing companies when the executives leading them can retire with enormous severance packages. If people are actually held accountable, more would think twice about trying the same.

@juliusfishman7222 Жыл бұрын

So you want them to lift the veil of incorporation, they do that on serious issues such as treason

@sundo-pf5zv Жыл бұрын

"Hold those at the top accountable with serious consequences" .. = wishful thinking. HOW MANY of those "at the top" were held accountable to the tune of going to jail or being inconvenienced more than attending to lawyers and court dates for MOST major defaults. If Trump and Putin can get away with criminal behavior, then almost anyone with access to money and shell company strategies CAN.

@phantomapprentice6749 Жыл бұрын

They own every regulating body that could hold them accountable , they are pretty much untouchable . For now , the only way they could fall is by turning against each other which is very unlikely to happen.

@MazzaEliLi7406 Жыл бұрын

@@sundo-pf5zv Yup.

@NLTops Жыл бұрын

Spot on. Because these white-collar criminals are exclusively wealthy individuals, they are punished too gently. Those responsible should pay for all the costs incurred by society. Drain them of everything penny they have. Start at the top of the corporate tree and work your way down until the detriment is paid. Let's see how many people will be so unscrupulous then. Spit on all these rich people.

@shashirawat2045 Жыл бұрын

Much needed program, for years I have said this to anyone that would care to listen, auditors know that there are three areas that they need to look into 1) errors and omission mistakes 2) fraud 3) management override of controls. Mistakes and omission errors generally have the least impact on the value of an organisation, yet this is the greatest focus of auditors, followed by fraud, so attention by auditors, but management override of controls causes the greatest loss of value, yes, even grater than fraud because without management override of controls any fraud cannot be hidden until and unless the organisation has poor internal controls to begin with (internal could also been deliberately kept lax by management to enable concealment later. Yet, most auditors are not trained in identifying management over ride of controls, in fact many auditors are not even aware there this such a thing.

@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын

Management removing controls is a feature not a bug. That's how you make the profitable kind of fraud happen. Which is all the owners care about, and since those owners also own the auditors. It's a nice closed system.

@the_expidition427 4 ай бұрын

Saving this

@richdibo Жыл бұрын

I worked in the tax department of a large US bank in the '90s. As I recall, the bank had around 500 US subsidiaries and 400 foreign subsidiaries. There are probably thousands today. I don't think audits are realistic anymore. Bidding for audits is competitive. CPA firms have an interest to cut costs. The auditors earn large fees. Accordingly, there is no independence -- just conflict of interest.

@dcrazypersiancat Жыл бұрын

Just the partners... we, the salaried auditors, have little salary/take home pay for long hours we put in. It's exhausting. Really. That's why auditors leave audit firms and go to private entities.

@GoogleIsTooInvasive Жыл бұрын

There is a conflict of interest, of course. There is also a big difference between an annual audit and a fraud audit. There is no reason to assume that an annual audit checks for fraud - it does not

@williamseneka9959 Жыл бұрын

Totally agree, the difference that is.

@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын

There should be a requirement that annual audits check the claimed facts as closely as possible, and rules that detract or district from such checks need to be avoided (for example rules that auditors should audit predictions of future events, which is logically impossible).

@ALittleMessi Жыл бұрын

@@johndododoe1411 This is simply impossible to ask for in an annual audit of every major corporation across the globe. The amount of work and manpower to comb through everything for fraud, especially ever year, is just simply not realistic. Even then you cannot guarantee fraud will be detected. Turns out it's really hard to discover something meant to be hidden and covered up.

@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын

@@ALittleMessi I am asking for systematic checks of things that can be done en masse (like getting statements from banks), direct checking of significant stuff like a place listed as holding 30% of the company cash, and randomized sampling of other stuff, like randomly choosing a branch office for in person audit. It's not a systematic fraud hunt, but verification that makes it statistically likely the alleged assets and liabilities are factually correct. Another thing is that the auditor and directors should be in the same room to witness each other sign the annual statement, that room might be a conference room at the auditing company, the board room where the auditor presents the audit or the podium at the AGM where the auditor seeks reelection by the shareholders.

@youtubewatcher3467 Жыл бұрын

I worked in audit firms for 7 years. Until today, I do not trust "audited account". Audit report is more of a "discharge of liability" rather than a report of examinations and checks (audit as it is called professionally)

@Blashmack Жыл бұрын

2:40 "I'm not a risk-taker which is why I did not buy just any stock, I bought Wirecard." I'm sorry for the losses this guy incurred... but when you buy individual stock of a single company it is the opposite of avoiding risk, you're putting all your eggs in one basket. It is embracing risk. Buying individual stock is a risky strategy no matter how old and stable the company is.

@kumarj4693 Жыл бұрын

You need the funds to buy a spread or index dude. When your finances are limited, one tends to chose to get the best profit margin from what accounting firms like the big 4 and rating institutions like Moodys say regarding the financial soundness of featured corporation stock, under the assumption that corporations with corresponding rating grades are as financially sound as rated, and the high ratings mean their stocks can’t lose much value because the real assets owned far outweigh their exposure. Before the scandal, wirecard had a BAA3 rating, meaning banks were allowed to buy their stock because they were rated as very low risk investment stock.

@leswhynin913 Жыл бұрын

If you buy individual stock, need to buy at least enough different companies to avoid this risk

@johntruman4397 Жыл бұрын

His biggest mistake he made was investing in the stock market.

@JanBruunAndersen Жыл бұрын

I do invest in individual companies, but my portfolio consist of about 40 companies + crypto currencies. 40 companies are probably 10-15 too many, so I am trying to cut back.

@williamseneka9959 Жыл бұрын

I was thinking along those line, "am not a risk taker", hello! Everything in 1 basket"??

@GbawlZ Жыл бұрын

Lmfao, if the Auditors working 80 hours per week for $60k per year right out of college saw this documentary calling them "THE PINSTRIPE MAFIA", they might smile for the first time this busy season. If you want to know why an audit might go wrong, just picture this: You have one guy in his 50s, the Partner, who is making all of the money and "overseeing" the engagement. He has a guy in his 30s or 40s, the Manager, directly under him and managing the audit of the client from the accounting firm's office. The Manager keeps in contact with the Senior, a lower level manager, usually 25 to 30 years old, who is on-site at the client babysitting a small team of fresh college graduates who are working 70-90 hours per week, overworked, and sleep-deprived. The fresh graduates have to fake it until they make it, so they all just follow the principle of "SALY" (Same As Last Year), essentially copying the work that was done last year and rolling the numbers forward. All of the work is done by fresh college graduates and the seasoned professionals just sign off on the work. After 1 or 2 busy seasons, most fresh graduates quit for other jobs and the ones who stay become Seniors, Managers, and Partners. It's truly miserable work, I remember sitting there in my first busy season thinking "so this is what the rest of my life is going to be like?" Lmao. I understand all of the conflict of interest stuff they're talking about in the documentary, but the ones doing the work are fresh graduates who don't even think about those things, they're just overwhelmed with the task in front of them.

@thanhtungtung965 Ай бұрын

cho nên kiểm toán là trò bịp bợm :)) bị thao túng hết

@bluesun2001 Жыл бұрын

I like it how this film starts with the retired gentleman who lost everything to show us how corruption effects each and everyone of us.

@fischmi2 Жыл бұрын

People certainly do suffer harm when fraud is involved. But any investor that’s put all of their money in one company almost deserves to lose it. Rule 1 of investing - DIVERSIFY. Fraud at public companies is very rare compared to all the other frauds and cons going on out there.

@geezerbutler4582 Жыл бұрын

But why was he not invested in an index tracker and de-risk his investment? Or an investment trust?

@FT-ww1yg Жыл бұрын

He lost everything because he blindly trusted an opinion from an auditor. Even if the audit results in an unmodified opinion, it does not mean that the business is riskless or even performing well financially. The auditor is only assessing "going concern" for the next 12 months in most jurisdictions. Private investors should do a bit more research about prospective investments before they sink money into companies, looking at cash flow generation, leverage ratios, markets covered by the companies, etc. Yes, it requires a lot of time and understanding, but it is up to people to educate themselves. There is a lot of free material out there on the Internet (and books can help too). A bit too easy to blame others for your own mistakes.

@georgetfzhang Жыл бұрын

Having worked in one of the big four as an internal auditor, I can tell from experience that it is very much a flawed system. Keep in mind that the big four firms are for-profit organizations, and they are paid, by the very companies that they are suppose to audit and essentially find dirt one? It's an interestingly weird dynamic to say the least; if the auditors are not willing to "play the game" and blur the lines a little bit, then the clients will simply choose not to use the auditing firm and switch a more obliging one next time... free market capitalism can be a double edged sword.

@farzananaqvi7105 7 ай бұрын

But why the other firm also does not do the job professionally ? Is it that some auditors are cheater?

@shaunmc013 6 ай бұрын

Meaning that 20% of their pay is probably hush money..

@thebagelsproductions 2 ай бұрын

Perhaps when huge fraudulent practices emerge, especially systematic practices then the auditor should also be criminally liable. Although effectively nobody was in 2008, not even the worst offenders

@gdo3510 Ай бұрын

@@thebagelsproductionsno the auditors definitely are held accountable. Remember it used to be the Big 5 until Arthur Andersen totally f’d up their auditing of Enron. Actually, now that I think about it compared to that, now Big 4 auditors get slaps on the wrist in comparison. They get fined, the partners cut costs by laying off staff and senior auditors to protect their profits, then outsource the work to India. Which just results in worse audits. It’s really getting bad.

@paulc4383 29 күн бұрын

Please remember that the Big Four are a club for those who went to private schools and elite universities. They are not necessarily the brightest but they have money and money gives them power. When they mess things up or are naughty, not much happens. Know your place, little people!

@blackaugust2035 Жыл бұрын

Outstanding quality of documentaries as usual. DW is the way to go 👍🏼

@DWDocumentary Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the positive feedback. :)

@UPAKHOSALA Жыл бұрын

Why do DW have channels at INDIA?

@juanpablosanchezaveleyra6454 Жыл бұрын

@@UPAKHOSALA Propaganda, every single county does it, and it's ok, as long as you know why and when there's a bias. RT have (had) channels in Latin America and that's how we know western media is lying about the Ukrainian conflict. Plurality of opinions and views is good... until they censor certain media

@renoramadhanalmaghribi Жыл бұрын

@@UPAKHOSALA need of profit as a for profit company, or just requested by government for cultural exchange relationship as a state own enterprise

@urbandiscipline8858 Жыл бұрын

DW is funded by the German government, be careful. Although most of DW contest are objective and unbiased, but DW is not objective and unbiased always.

@bilalkorir2070 Жыл бұрын

Since I had heard of Wirecard fraud in the past, I was surprised how they could pull it off, and nobody noticed. Your documentary provides a new angle and sheds new light. I believe the new law should make it harder for fraudulent corporations. Thank you for the documentation DW.

@lostdaze1145 Жыл бұрын

Take away the camera & watch... the signet upon my right hand

@agg5046 2 ай бұрын

I think audit has become more related to pretty documents rather than actual testing. You cannot check someone and say they might be wrong when you are getting your revenue/income from the same person!

@dso4594 Жыл бұрын

Very good watch. Thank you! The importance of journalism cannot be understated.

@mayukhsrivastava3063 Жыл бұрын

would like to see more such documentaries discerning the problems in the global financial system. keep going DW.

@GaryBickford Жыл бұрын

Companies should be required to change auditors every five years. This could act to force auditors to use proper methods. This is a mechanism similar to investment banks requiring their traders to take a two+ week vacation every year, so any trading discrepancies will show up where they can't hide it.

@GaryBickford Жыл бұрын

@@SCC.1233 The automatic objection will be that this will increase the cost of auditing, because it takes a lot of effort to become knowledgeable. However, I think two things will alter that. 1) competition between auditors will become fierce, with five year contracts up for bid; 2) _most_ companies will make an effort to simplify and normalize their processes so an automated new auditor could step in and take over with minimal learning curve, with laudable side effects from the normalization; 3) insurance for both company and auditors will be cheaper. Finally, the incidence of frauds, error,s or other large calamities affecting stakeholders will be reduced.

@saltymonke3682 Жыл бұрын

we use different CPA every year for our family business.

@unclefrankindia Жыл бұрын

no use, they'll find some loophole.

@GaryBickford Жыл бұрын

@@SCC.1233 I think putting the government in charge could be worse.

@GaryBickford Жыл бұрын

@crassgop except there would be a dozen other firms competing desperately (one hopes anyway!)

@J.Cameron.Stuart.Adams. Жыл бұрын

The relationships between the client and auditing firms are way too intimate and financially rewarding for both parties.. I can say when issues are found we've been told to destroy our work and select a different account or transaction. Those upstairs claim they will investigate. The reality is our bosses go directly to the client to say there was an issue we couldn't resolve. The client then sends in a bogus excuse or files cooked books for our records. Unless our initial findings show a clear case of fraud, the clients response is always accepted without question. In the end we almost always end up with the desired audit. Doing so for large firms lends credibility and a favorable reputation for both the client and the firm. There is considerable pressure placed on us to ensure our audits come back clean. If we hit a road block we were directed not to look beyond that issue or questionable transaction to avoid seeing anything we ethically and legally can ignore. We're instructed to simply choose a different route with no obstacles in the way. The file is then sent upstairs where we're told the matter will be investigated further. There is no investigation. The client simply needs to submit their response or cooked books in order for that file to be closed without completing that specific audit. I am not saying this issue is industry wide. Nor am I saying the issue is company wide. I am saying the closeness of firm and client relationships lend themselves to this fraud and deception. The financial implications from losing a large client can be catastrophic to a firm. Firms and clients are codependent for survival. This needs to change. You can't have two private entities with a financial stake in the outcome watching over each other without total transparency. The risk of fraud and deception is too great. The use of standardized AI technology by governments to monitor firm activities across all auditing firms globally is a tool we should deploy going forward. All of those files we halted and sent upstairs would be flagged by AI and sent to regulators for independent auditing. Doing so would cut the risk to investors and detect fraud before billions in losses is finally exposed years later.

@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын

Fraud is profitable so fraud is done. In the inherently illogical system where infinite growth is the only acceptable outcome. Corporations lying and auditors giving those lies a veneer of legitimacy is basically required.

@bernadettebecher4689 Жыл бұрын

Great read- what an eye-opener!

@veronicaroach3667 Жыл бұрын

And EVERY attempt to update the Laws simply meets with so much pressure from people with the i8nflence that the problem simply goes away. BIG fraud is happening in high places, yet the little guy with too much pot in his car can go to jail for 5 years ?

@rnp497 Жыл бұрын

These four companies are failing over and over. The system and fees they charge have placed them inside the system not outside as they should be

@kadaz88 Жыл бұрын

They are as vulnerable to corruption like all other companies..

@yourmom9608 Жыл бұрын

These companies are immortals and ethically cruel

@kadaz88 Жыл бұрын

Yes many have been burned ...

@chaosking911 Жыл бұрын

Not until corrupt executives face actual criminal liabilities for the amount of human suffering they cause. That would also never happen here in the US, at least, not while every single politician is way more concerned about who can collect the most bribes from anyone willing to pay...

@Praisethesunson Жыл бұрын

The only failing they are doing is being caught. They are designed to give veneer of legitimacy to corporations that deliberately lie to shareholders. Gotta keep pretending that infinite growth is a profitable business model. That's the only way executives get to keep buying cocaine and yachts.

@MyDarkSenseOfHumor Жыл бұрын

I'm an accounting major and did an internship in one of big 10, not even big4. But even then I got the impression that you should look close, but not too to close. The whole is system is a sham.

@cathyk9197 Жыл бұрын

I would argue that the Big 4 are not independent auditors. This has been true for decades. I’ve watched the Controller of a Fortune 500 tell their Big 4 lead audit partner point blank, ‘You’re auditors aren’t going to look into this part of our financial records.’ The Big 4 partner wasn’t willing to risk a big client relationship and backed off.

@GladysAlicea Жыл бұрын

True, yet look at the big clients E&Y lost due to their mishandling of Wirecard, plus future potential clients who won't even consider letting E&Y handle their financials. Is it worth it?

@DarkAngel-pt1cq Жыл бұрын

@@GladysAlicea It is becuse only 1 of 100 bad clients get exposed.

@tonysu8860 Жыл бұрын

You'll have to do better than accuse some anonymous Fortune 500 company of that kind of action without whatever the response of the auditor was. There are rules for such situations that no major auditor can violate without itself becoming at fault and could cause great harm to the auditor. The difference is that the EY defects in the Wildcard audit aren't the type that EY would be found liable... They're the types of defects that nearly any big auditor might also make if they weren't skeptical enough and that's a subjective evaluation, not something that is clearly described in the set of rules all big auditors go by. If that Fortune 500 company you accuse of possibly hiding information chose to fire that auditor and hire another, if the new auditor is following the same rules, the same questions would remain. The point also is that you don't describe what the relevance was of the forbidden data. Unless there was a very provable reason to deny access, the audit would simply include a statement about refusal to that data, much like what EY apparently did about some of Wildcard's business. The audit may not have access to everything and if that's the case the auditor has to note that to protect himself.

@kapetannemo Жыл бұрын

Cathy K Yes, just like that ! The system they apply, and the big question is whether it is in accordance with the Constitutions of any normal state, is called "WAREHOUSMAN INVENTORY HIS OWN WAREHOUSE!"

@Sammyli99 Жыл бұрын

When I was in the game Regional partners pulled half a mil plus bonuses dog knows what that is now 6 figures and then some for ticking a box to agree a bank statement balance to an account...rinse and repeat, and we thought ENRON was an exceptional one off...NO, its the one that got caught out when the music stopped. Risk and Reward.

@chromezinc 3 ай бұрын

This happened right as I was interning and it was when I first realized my big4 job wasn’t as idealistic as I thought

@mohammadharisfahim6614 Жыл бұрын

I have been part of two audit firms and believe me, the client pressure is what pushes the audit teams to wrap up the audit in a given deadline and this compromises the quality. A global convention of a minimum time period for audit must be established or else audit quality will continue falter.

@tjm4702 Жыл бұрын

We need more documentary like DW, excellent example of true documentaries.

@Christiane069 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting. Corruption is rampant all over the financial world.

@mansoormannix1753 Жыл бұрын

We can't defeat 2 forces on earth, corruption and reception. Terrorism, Pharmaceutical company, food industry, and capitalism are the biggest catastrophe we are facing in the world and who is the architect? The West. And both are the avenue of exploitation, corruption and deceptive.

@liquidgal9867 Жыл бұрын

More interesting it goes back thousands of years. Criminals will always be criminals, no matter how big or small.

@grazynkatodisco4916 Жыл бұрын

Not only.. financial world.Pharmaceutical world as well..

@wiswajithroy2399 Жыл бұрын

There is a saying in India before you enact a law, people find 10 different ways to bypass the law including politician, beauracts, small and big corporates.

@pax4370 Жыл бұрын

Still remember the Satyam scandal of 2008 in India. Thats the first time I heard about pwc. It seems to be a pattern now that I can corelate with wirecard.

@chunellemariavictoriaespan8752 Жыл бұрын

Noticeable in the Philippines😂😂😂

@001HK0 Жыл бұрын

Wow this was an eye opening documentary! So interesting how all of these conflicts of interest are going on outside of the public eye within what are supposed to be organizations in place for public trust.

@chrsmcfrln Жыл бұрын

Companies should pay a scaled annual fee to BaFin for auditing services; auditing companies tender to be on the BaFin panel; BaFin appoints auditor from panel to company for a 5-10 year period. Company doesn't get to choose their auditor.

@bcanuck Жыл бұрын

I looked at the wiki page of BaFin and found they too are rotten: Wirecard scandal Accusations of suspect accounting at Wirecard were levelled in 2008, 2015 and 2016 and 2019. Each time Wirecard alleged market manipulation, sparking investigations by BaFin which defended the company.[26] Wirecard wound up in 2020 and its CEO was arrested, sparking criticism of BaFin itself.[27] The Federal Ministry of Finance later disclosed that one fifth of BaFin staff had engaged in some kind of investment activity in 2019 and 2020, with an increasing interest in Wirecard in the months ahead of its collapse. Only in September 2020, BaFin banned its staff from trading shares and other securities of the companies that it oversees.[28]

@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын

Why the government intermediary? Fixed rates are fine. Random assignment is ok where independent selection is needed. But overseers immune to criticism from the overseen leads to indifference and abuse of power.

@kylesmith8128 Жыл бұрын

We need harsher penalties for financial crimes, which affect far more people than a brute-force murder or drug-dealing do.

@jojo7315 Жыл бұрын

revoke citizenship. exile. after a long time in prison of course.

@yttrium220 Жыл бұрын

Agree, but most of all penalties should be unavoidable. I’m fed up with festival of loopholes and exceptions.

@Vlad-bs1js Жыл бұрын

Yea, it's quite sad to see people who negatively impact the lives of millions getting away with a bit of prison time, a tainted reputation and a sizeable wealth to fall back on once they're out of prison. Something along the lines of Soviet gulags would be a better penalty.

@rufanuf1 Жыл бұрын

That is a very good point, yet few look at it that way. I would say financial crime is akin to murder in many situations. People lose the shirts off their backs and commit suicide by the 100s in these situations. About time the the crooks involved in setting it up got their just deserts.

@lostdaze1145 Жыл бұрын

@@jojo7315 is this 1452

@vinniechan Жыл бұрын

The problem with audit is that it's scope is inherently limited even at best. There's also a saying that the annual report of a listed company is a like girl wearing bikini - she shows you everything apart from the important parts

@xXxserenityxXx Жыл бұрын

Amazing even after two years of me hearing the news of wire card fraud, its still going on.

@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын

This is about the company named "wirecard" and how it died of fraud. Not about wire fraud done with cards.

@xXxserenityxXx Жыл бұрын

@@johndododoe1411 Yeah, it's been going on for years.

@dadikkedude Жыл бұрын

KPMG came to my school and wanted to give me a scholarship of €10.000. I refused on the basis of the nature of their company. Refused to be on their website promoting their philanthropy.

@tyler_7749 Жыл бұрын

Bro what. What firm did u end up at lol

@sfbuck415 Жыл бұрын

Credit rating agencies are similarly compromised. I believe state regulatory agencies are complicit, too. I keep wondering how many corporations are telling outrageous lies about their value, given the unlikely profits they post given the economic climate. There's no logic to it at all. Wall Street demands infinite growth forever and that's simply not possible, but the pressure to compete at all cost drives companies to find ways to pull growth out of thin air, leading to all kinds of poor incentives. Like executives slashing workforce just before Christmas to puff up fourth quarter numbers. And then giving themselves big bonuses as a reward for saving their companies so much money. No shady conspiracies going on, just a lot of greedy short-sighted people taking the path of least resistance and greatest reward.

@Brandon-rc9vp Жыл бұрын

agree 100%

@ldf4064 15 күн бұрын

25 years in banking, and I can say with confidence that auditors are not up to the task, for various reasons. Mostly because they are not sufficiently independent, nor sufficiently held accountable. And going by the comments, this view is widely shared by insiders from business and the auditing profession, and yet here we are, with little hope of real change.

@---ghsthenkurissi--- Жыл бұрын

DWs quality of documentaries are top-notch ❤️

@pranshulmittal7976 Жыл бұрын

DW is doing such an amazing work Sometimes we don't realise that auditors cross a thin line between working as an independent entity to suddenly going on an independent and indirect off-roll employees

@cmdrtianyilin8107 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely top quality documentary. Thanks, DW. It's really an engaging documentary.

@Manuel_me Жыл бұрын

Very insightful documentary on the role of auditors in our financial systems and markets. We need to look into the independence questions raised more keenly and come up with solutions. Well done DW

@6thface Жыл бұрын

I worked a project with a client that was using PWC as an IT consultanting firm. I was hired specifically for my expertise with a COTS product. I was ignored by the management team that had hitched itself to PWC as well as the PWC development team. That is until a few months before the product was supposed to launch. I was handed paperwork explaining how the developement team was going to handle connecting to the COTS product. It was obvious that the PWC team had not even looked at any of the COTS documentation a day in their life. Well, we didn't launch. That product was shelved, because the previous phases product which had launched a month after I came on for the phase 2 product was failing so spectacularly that state regulators had become involved. Phase 2 was eventually scrapped entirely. I moved on to the next disaster involving mixing auditors and their clients.

@MeiinUK 20 күн бұрын

They are doing this deliberately for a purpose. More like trying to incubate the marketing tech and sectors. Hence why you are watching this show now.... That is why it is clear that some are taught to lie. And some are taught to literally make mistakes. On purpose. Political much ? Since Enron. Lots of companies were cleared.

@rezaalim8061 Жыл бұрын

The problem with the rules is that after they done with their 10 years (5 years in Indonesia) auditing contract the company then rehire the consultant from that audit firm until they are allowed to audit again. Their relationship never end and that's the issue.

@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын

A clear loophole. The independence must require a significant period between auditing and other economic relationships that could be used to camouflage bribes.

@vik914 Жыл бұрын

Overworked, underpaid audit staff and tight audit deadlines result in many of these scandals

@hungrylion7742 Жыл бұрын

Yep, auditors are underpaid with the partners taking in all the profit

@honeybadger5933 Жыл бұрын

💯

@fxhzwingzero Жыл бұрын

It's the same with all big buisness these days, we do all the grunt work (working class) fat cats take everything at the top, greed is rampant with the rich right now! The new kings and queens of this era

@motorheadbanger7720 Жыл бұрын

I have worked 05 years for EY. I known pretty well how things are. And the moment I got my opportunity I left the firm immediately

@KristynaStefanova Жыл бұрын

Good for you! I have never worked for them and won't work for them. I have been seeing those kind of people coming to companies I used to work for and realised that some of them didn't have any idea what auditing is about, unfortunately.

@motorheadbanger7720 Жыл бұрын

@@KristynaStefanova don't take it for granted and mainly never assume you're smarter than anyone else

@KristynaStefanova Жыл бұрын

@@motorheadbanger7720 I agree thanks!

@geezerbutler4582 Жыл бұрын

Motörhead and leaving at speed? That’s a natural fit

@bluerationality Жыл бұрын

I wasn't in an auditing firm, but in my old company my boss was doing certain reports that were supposed to make sure clients were keeping up their obligations with their victims and government. Although we didn't completely change results (bad reports for the client still happened) we often discussed underlying assumptions and acceptable results with the clients. Trying to balance client relationship and objectivity doesn't work well.

@CHMichael Жыл бұрын

Skin in the game. Insure your audit. Now you have the insurance company auditing the auditor.

@kylesmith8128 Жыл бұрын

That is.....genius.

@Tribuneoftheplebs Жыл бұрын

Insurance companies would end up hiring auditors from the big 4 to do those audits because theyre the ones with the most auditing experience.

@ALittleMessi Жыл бұрын

Audits are not meant to detect fraud. If you want fraud detection, talk to your government.

@CHMichael Жыл бұрын

@@Tribuneoftheplebs that's OK- as long as they pay out when it turns out that the company defrauded their investors

@mck5549 Жыл бұрын

As usual. DW is onto interesting content. I am now so smart, just by consuming DW programmes.

@shupdawupidy Жыл бұрын

i am afraid the will be shut down .to honest

@mck5549 Жыл бұрын

@@shupdawupidy They report without bias. and the topics are very relevant.

@FFL-vg9ro Жыл бұрын

I was an auditor 40 years ago. Today, nothing but the names have changed. Same fraud, same conflicts, same handwringing, same ineffective solutions.

@DrissElAzamiElHassani Жыл бұрын

Outstanding piece of journalism. Thank you DW for the exceptional length you go to to provide us with top notch documentaries. Your content is highly appreciated in Morocco.

@RichardHuffman Жыл бұрын

Conflicts of interest in auditing/consulting and control fraud are an insanely toxic combination that must be guarded against at all costs. Most businesses are relatively honest, but the bad ones do tremendous damage, especially in our very concentrated corporate environment.

@klaudiagrob Жыл бұрын

Excellent documentary

@jordanhicken7812 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for doing actual investigative journalism!

@jooch_exe Жыл бұрын

Glad to see media paying attention to these complex problems.

@djy4322 Жыл бұрын

It's really sad this excellent documentary has only 4.2milliom views..Says a lot why we are in this situation globally

@caiop.4972 Жыл бұрын

Isn’t the financial supervisors at BaFin also guilt in the Wirecard debacle?

@praveenjain262 Жыл бұрын

fully informative, same situation in India as well

@ZhangZhongyi Жыл бұрын

The rule can be set up so that if the current auditor finds the previous auditor's fault, the previous auditor will be fined and part of the fine will be awarded to the current auditor.

@JanBruunAndersen Жыл бұрын

Very good idea.

@ALittleMessi Жыл бұрын

This won't solve anything. You have no idea how hard it is to detect fraud at these levels. The biggest failure of this documentary is showing just how hard it is to detect. It's also a failure on the politicians they interviewed. They all want to just push blame, when it's almost impossible to uncover high level fraud on major corporations.

@SonnyBubba 3 ай бұрын

No. Once you create an incentive to uncover fraud like that, you create an incentive to falsely uncover fraud. The only way for an auditor to maintain independence is if the firm receives the same compensation regardless of the outcome of the audit.

@johnpatrick1588 Жыл бұрын

Where there is corporate fraud there is a public accounting firm.

@a.sanaie2460 Жыл бұрын

Thanks DW for another independent study. Please keep on producing these reports to be an example of professional journalism 👏

@arbaz79 Жыл бұрын

As usual an Excellent Documentary by DW 👍.

@counterleo 7 ай бұрын

There should be a mandatory review of working papers, like the partner review, but by a different audit firm.

@asperneto Жыл бұрын

Thx DW for coming out with this story! EY... Rebranded as EY Parthenon 🙄 EY was also the audit firm that signed profitable financial statements for 4 yrs for Toshiba Japan, when in real numbers the company was losing money. Upon investigation, EY said, Toshiba gave them the numbers. WHAT? Auditors being dictated upon by the audited company ?🤔 When investing in publicly listed stocks, one aspect to look out for is... WHO IS THE AUDITOR? All countries should pass laws prohibiting auditing companies from also engaging in management consulting! Which is a clear CONFLICT OF INTEREST! How and who audits the auditor? This is a question asked many times on listed companies that went under. Hello Lehman... Hello Wirecard... Hello Toshiba...?

@DemSynthsDoe Жыл бұрын

EY has not rebranded as EY-Parthenon, EY-Parthenon is a separate Strategy Consulting entity, the name based on the acquisition of Parthenon by EY

@ALittleMessi Жыл бұрын

You have literally no idea what you're talking about do you? Audits can only work based on the financial information provided to them. Unless you want me to sit there and look at every single transaction and change of money for every single company, so every sale of a single item, inventory change, etc. in real time and report it myself, you have to use what companies give you. The audit then checks these numbers in various ways to determine if it was recorded correctly. That is what an audit does. If a company gives you false information but they lie about it, it's almost impossible for a normal audit to actually detect that.

@psikeyhackr6914 Жыл бұрын

Since double-entry accounting is 700 years old why isn't it mandatory in the schools. Are we supposed to believe that accounting is more difficult than trigonometry and calculus?

@kylesmith8128 Жыл бұрын

The difficulty lies in how easy it is to bribe an accountant. They should be taught ethics more than everything else they learn.

@KP-us1ld Жыл бұрын

Accounting is difficult. Half the people who take the CPA exam fail each exam. This Form of thinking is the reason why people think they can make their secretaries do the accounting when in fact all their mistakes have to be purged.

@psikeyhackr6914 Жыл бұрын

@@KP-us1ld Who says that someone needs to know enough to be a CPA to understand accounting. Double entry accounting is 700 years old. How complicated were the tax codes back then? Of course it is to the advantage of CPAs for everyone to believe it is complicated.

@KP-us1ld Жыл бұрын

@@psikeyhackr6914 double entry accounting and taxation are unrelated. Let's start from there. Conceptually, you think double entry accounting and think it's just a journal entry that any layman can do. It's not. Behind every posting is a story and even workpapers. Your average layman is not equipped to practice accounting or double entry as you call it because there are so many rules that add on to the complexity of it.

@psikeyhackr6914 Жыл бұрын

@@KP-us1ld That is a great word "layman". Like the Catholic church talking about the "laity". The Catholic church resisted having the bible published in colloquial languages so the layman would be dependent on the priesthood. The same crap happens in computers. It is funny though. Accounting software was being coded in the 1950s. Those computers were a joke compared to today. They were still used the von Neumann architecture though. Curious how good explanation aren't everywhere though. Accounting Game: Basic Accounting Fresh from the Lemonade Stand by Darrell Mullis

@emeral311 Жыл бұрын

DW maintains its status and crown with another incredible documentary. This should be viewed in schools across the globe.

@DWDocumentary Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment!

@vickijohnson9367 3 ай бұрын

Agreed! Everyone should understand the global systemic corruption. Even as it is growing at an alarming rate, as everything economic on a global scale, is being held together by fraudulent (asset backed) securities duct tape. Look out, they are putting the junk in the working peoples pensions.🎯

@bobjuniel8683 Жыл бұрын

It is very simple, the government must appoint auditors to companies and increase the breadth and depth of each audit. This would prevent companies pressuring or persuading auditors to meet the companies needs. A professional distance between auditors and company representatives must be maintained. Prison terms rather than fines must be employed for breaches of proper accounting and honest reporting of 'the numbers' in financial reporting. Ignorance of lawbreaking is not in law an excuse. Not because it does not occur, but because everybody would claim it to avoid conviction.

@lachlanphillips8474 Жыл бұрын

This seems like a good solution to me. Maybe there should also be a financial incentive for the auditors to do their job properly? For example, if they uncover some evidence of fraud that leads to a conviction, they receive a % of whatever penalty ends up being paid to the state.

@MM-we4no Жыл бұрын

Giving governments that job is a terrible idea! Already all governments are corrupt (it’s only the degree that varies) plus governments have personal stake/interest in individual companies. This would cause a scenario where certain companies’ fraudulent activities go undetected while other companies end up being targeted and shut down even though they are conducting business ethically

@bobjuniel8683 Жыл бұрын

@@MM-we4no I agree, we're well and truly f'ked. Any change will not stop them. You know they're going to get away with it, I know they're going to get away with it, But let's not let them enjoy getting away with it. I remember when banks in Australia were regulated. One had to have 25% deposit. Home loans were based on income and tended to be fixed terms of 20 years. I think shorter or longer fixed terms were available. The interest rate was fixed for the term of the loan. Deregulation of the banks gave the crim's the keys to the safe. I agree governments are complicit in economic advantages and the disadvantaged.

@hoptop3159 Жыл бұрын

@@lachlanphillips8474 Auditors do not look for fraud. They are solely responsible to give an opinion on the fair representation of the financial statements. if fraud causes a material misstatement, they are responsible for finding it. Otherwise no, the audit isn't meant to catch fraud.

@Asian_Connection Жыл бұрын

What? The government doesn't even allow any independent auditors to audit their books!

@rainmakeramg Жыл бұрын

Being an retired partner from the Big Four all the comments against CPA firms are right. All other CPA firms outside of Big Four want a cut from the Big Four's business. If you put the audit service to government 's hand that would lead to a bigger disaster. CPA firms are caught between policing the corporate accounting books and raking in more revenue to attract better talents. So Big Four are not wrong. Auditing is a conflicting function.

@MrOrbion Жыл бұрын

EY was also the auditor of Lehman Brothers. Something is wrong in their culture

@JohnZafiridis Жыл бұрын

Keep it up! Speak against greed DW. The fourth estate is supposed to be the auditor for our socioeconomic system

@miriamarit Жыл бұрын

" Free of conflict of Interest "....Is there really such a thing in a corporate world?" I doubt it. Thank you for excellent documentation ... An Eye Opener...I learned a LOT.

@annac2317 Жыл бұрын

All I can say is that in my opinion, all auditing firms (not just Big Four) are overwhelmed... They also have a toxic culture for their employees and I think they also need expertise in production and others. I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle - theoretically, it would be ideal to have such companies to "watch over", to ensure some security on the market. But the reality is, the matters are so much more complex, in practice it's kind of impossible to ever achieve that perfect state. And something that I hate, accounting can be very subjective also and to be honest, even tax and legal matters. Economy itself, I think the system overall is designed to be very volatile, and not something fixed - because if it were something fixed, it would be very much easier to be verified, to keep in check - is there something wrong or not? This is something that I definitely hate - the subjectivity of it. Economy in general. It looks to me as if it's a devil's system, no offense. XD But it is. Accounting is ugly. It really is. I don't even have enough words or know where to begin and end in saying how ugly it is. It should be something super straightforward - but it's not. By the fact that it's not straightforward you can tell that many things can escape without anyone noticing or noticing too late.

@GladysAlicea Жыл бұрын

Based on your comment, I guess the old adage, "numbers don't lie," no longer holds true.

@victoriazhu2185 Жыл бұрын

the more one knows, the more hopeless one get.

@Chironex_Fleckeri Жыл бұрын

Saying "accountant" is like saying "doctor". Most people just imagine personal income tax form preparation. Even with audit, there are dozens of types of audits. And within those, there are specialties. It's boring and dry. But you also have corporate accountants, bookkeepers (clerical work), advisory roles (consulting). There are "accountants" who specialize in a single accounting standard and work alongside legal teams, investment bankers. No one really cares about accounting and assume a lot of things about the profession. These types of audits are a commodity. Take that as you will

@veronicaroach3667 Жыл бұрын

Also these problems are getting more & more difficult to 'police' because the Laws are constantly being updated & those involved have a hard time staying current on things.

@Chironex_Fleckeri Жыл бұрын

@@veronicaroach3667 Not really. They can't investigate for something that isn't codified in the law.

@johngund9921 Жыл бұрын

Pretty simple, when the fraud is discovered, the acctg firm not only to be held liable but justice should figure out the amount of damages based on the level of fraud. When they cert the financial statements, they sign for the reliability, truthfulness etc.

@ottomanstamper7609 Жыл бұрын

It is simple, in fact so simple that it is hard to believe that those in control actually want to solve the problem! Even the issue regarding conflict of interest is a minor issue if the company performing the audit is held liable and the punishment is guaranteed to be greater than the benefits from auditing, consulting etc; if that is the case it will not be in the interest of the consulting firm to give a favorable report unless they are certain because any mistake would end up costing them. Another thing which makes me certain that they don't want to solve the issues are that it was stated that these accountants meet with government officials to let them know about flaws in the regulations which means that all tax loopholes could be closed if there was the desire to do so.

@chrisbowser Жыл бұрын

You are blaming the wrong people. The people you should be directing your anger to are the criminals that ran wireguard and personally pocketed the money. Unfortunately we are becoming more like America, where we can't sue the boss because he is in prison, so we move down the chain to the people who in this case have professional indemnity insurance... let's blame them as there is more chance to get money out of them.

@chrisbowser Жыл бұрын

@Faiez Cader So the guy who checks my car over and gives it an MOT, I then crash my car 5 minutes later, he should be jailed because he said my car was ok?

@ottomanstamper7609 Жыл бұрын

@@chrisbowser We expect the company directors and corporations to be criminal and to cheat where they can so no point in being angry with them. The auditors are supposed to be the ones who are trustworthy; if they are not doing a good enough job to certify that the accounts are accurate what is the point of having an audit?

@chrisbowser Жыл бұрын

@@ottomanstamper7609 not sure I agree with your first point, in my experience most people are honest and decent, less than 1% of people are criminal. Second the point of an audit is to say whether the accounts give a 'True and Fair View' of the company. Accounts are one element used by Investors to judge companies. Note the words True and Fair... not 'accurate' which is the word you used. This is a nuance I grant you but it means there can be mistakes but those are not 'material' . Now material in the case of a multi-billion dollar company could be several million dollars. It's difficult to understand how a company could have an error of several million dollars and the accounts are still True and Fair, but this is the reality of the neoliberal capitalist system we have created. To take one group (auditors) and make them scapegoats for another (fraudsters) is frankly remincent of another great German invention of the 30's

@edwinoey Жыл бұрын

Hey! Thanks DW for making this documentary! amazing how the Indonesian subtitle helps to understand the whole documentary! I see what you did there ;) Best Regards from Indonesia!

@MsJoChannel Жыл бұрын

Amazing documentary! Kudos for a good work 👍👍👍

@SummeRain783 Жыл бұрын

I worked in big 4 tax but it never made sense to me when I heard of clients overlapping in our audit and consulting departments. Can't see how they did that "independently".

@kienhwengtai8113 Жыл бұрын

Auditing seems to be a legal checkbox, which does nothing to detect or stop illegal activities.

@SonnyBubba 3 ай бұрын

Auditing was never designed as fraud detection. It’s possible to uncover fraud during an audit, but that’s not the main purpose.

@LaxmikantKachhap Жыл бұрын

Just started a job as an auditor in one of Big 4 and I got recommended this video 😬

@constantinosbou 6 ай бұрын

That channel is literally journalism on its finest! THANK YOU DW!

@DWDocumentary 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching! We're glad you like our content. :)

@pax4370 Жыл бұрын

Still remember the Satyam scandal of 2008 in India. Thats the first time I heard about pwc. It seems to be a pattern now that I can corelate with wirecard.

@shadabfariduddin6784 Жыл бұрын

Keep up the good work, DW.

@michaeladekunle3857 Жыл бұрын

Watching DW docfilm is my alternative to movies, with unbiased information. Just sucking it real good. Thanks for the good work

@Lettilany Ай бұрын

Consulting and auditing at the same time is like being the detective and the lawyer over the same case. Insane.

@columbus2chris Жыл бұрын

Amazing documentary

@Orion100 Жыл бұрын

There is a difference between financial audit vs. fraud. Rules for financial audits don’t necessarily pick up fraud. Fraud in a financial audit is incidental. It’s not that difficult to hide fraud from an audit. That’s how are current system works. Good or bad. The big 4 doing financial audit follow rules. Problem is what focus of audit is. Regulators need to start insisting on audit for fraud every 3 years for publicly listed companies and insist on independence meaning can’t be consultant and the auditor.

@Orion100 Жыл бұрын

One more thing the financial auditor should not be the one conducting forensic or fraud audit. I understand the concern but regulators need to also tighten rules with scope of audit. Regulators job is to protect public so they have responsibilities here.

@ALittleMessi Жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more. This documentary does a really bad job of showing just how hard it is to detect fraud, and they don't even mention the fact that auditors are not assigned to detect fraud or even look for it. All of the politicians keep throwing their hands up, but they aren't creating anything that targets fraud, just "hey you guys should do better at seeing it". Conflict of interests and fraud detection are two different areas, and conflating them so heavily as if it's the only linking issue is a problem. If you want to stop fraud, you need actual fraud detection, not general audits.

@nizammasood6044 Жыл бұрын

What a pleasant video to watch. I enjoyed every single second of this video. This video made me subscribed. Keep up the good work. 😊😊

@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts 3 ай бұрын

A very worthwhile documentary, a very interesting and important topic.

@josephchettupuzha8689 Жыл бұрын

The big 4 conveniently brushed aside clear frauds in India by claiming Limited Liability Partnership with local firms. The Local partners with very limited funds took the fall. The Govt knowing these big 4 audit firms have unlimited legal budgets chose to not pursue the big 4 international. Common Indians were left carrying the burden. This is the case in most underdeveloped and developing countries.

@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын

They do the same in every economy. Poor countries aren't the only place they do that. Notice how they keep talking of "partners", not "employees" or "officials". Each of the big 4 is a giant pile of such "limited partnerships" deflecting responsibility into legal loopholes.

@lo2740 Жыл бұрын

india is a whole other level of greed and corruption, the big 4 are certainly small players here.

@chaosking911 Жыл бұрын

Just remove the developing/underdeveloped statement and include all countries where they operate and you good.

@YABBAHEY1 Жыл бұрын

Sounds like the only person w/a conscience & proper accountability is the leaker. Whom ever it was, he/she should replace the current head of the government over sight dept. A country can only survive so long w/four giant leeches attached to it.

@senthil2230 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant documentary and service to humanity

@muthukumaranl Жыл бұрын

Another good one on this under-reported topic...thank you!

@Stew282 Жыл бұрын

I think the solution is to make auditors legally culpable for any wrongdoings they could reasonably be expected to have known about. If guilty, the courts should have a range of penalties available such as: operating restrictions, suspension/revocation of licences, very large fines, and even jail time if the severity of the crime warranted it.

@lo2740 Жыл бұрын

"they could reasonably be expected to have known" yeah okay, good luck with that 🤣

@sipilkalut Жыл бұрын

Excellent documentary by DW. The auditors must be independent and should not allow to be engaged in any financial or tax advisory services to the same audit clients during the engagement period. The "China Wall" internal policies that commonly implemented in the auditing / accounting firms never work effectively in relation to conflict of interest issues.

@bsg2472 Жыл бұрын

In addition, a regulation to change the auditor every 5 years and once they have been appointed, it will be last for 5 years too, may help to creating a more independent environment to the auditors. Termination of auditor prior the 5 years term shall obtain approval from regulator. By doing so, the management of the Client may not be able to effectively "threaten" changing the auditor next year. Anyway, in the end it will all depends on the integrity of the management and auditor...

@lo2740 Жыл бұрын

auditors and auditing firms should be under constant and strongly enforced systematic monitoring, at the very first problem they should be eradicated and all their directors and employees should be held personally responsible, financially and with prison sentences in the tens of years. Only such measure could have a chance to solve this huge problem for humanity. Of course, most "finance" firms shoud also be made illegal and eradicated.

@bsg2472 Жыл бұрын

Bad things could happen everywhere and conducted by anyone... Just like the guitar string. When the string is too loose, then the sound is not good. When it is too tight, then easy to break... What will happen if no one is willing to be auditor because of the regulation is too tight? Will similar arrangement also apply to other profession, such as politician, police, etc, which will cause massive impact to the society? In the end, it is depend on the integrity of the people. Walk the talk...

@ItsJones Жыл бұрын

Excellent doc as always! 👍

@sumsaudi Жыл бұрын

i appreciate this documentary for using the mr robot and social network soundtrack. its very fitting considering the subject matter are basically the same