What type of mouse are you currently using?

The absolute best tip I can give (as someone with 10+ years of Carpel Tunnel) is to switch it up. I switch between a Logitech Lift and Kensington Expert for work, and occasionally Razor Orochi V2 for gaming. Using any of those continuously hurts my hands, but this fixed it.

Raise your hand if you're hyped for the dygmouse!

The MX Ergo trackball has an option to tilt it more, to reduce pronation and a button to switch pointer speed to counter both issues presented in the video. Been using it for a few months now, wouldn't go back and can't wait to use it with my Defy in the future!

Entertaining and interesting video. Subbed. I'm using a regular mouse (G502) but at the same time trying to play as many games on a controller as possible. When browsing i.e. don't require super precision I tilt my forearm to 60 degrees or so. Because I naturally tip-grip and my palm is now sideways, the sides of my fingers rest on the mouse buttons.

great review, great insights! Super helpful.

Been using the Evoluent Vertical Mouse since it first came out over twenty years ago. Though some have complained about the sensor I have had no issues as of yet. Thank you "Team Dygma" for another informative video. I am thinking of a new "Indiana Dominique" movie. Love ❤that hat👍. Saludos a todos desde Nueva York🗽.

I used vertical mice for a few years but love trackball mice and use them exclusively. For work i use the logi mx ergo tilted to 22 degrees. I've gone through a few logi m570's. I also love the nulea M501 from Amazon.

On the tilted/sculpted species, I'm currently trying the Handshoemouse Shift mouse. It has a hand platform that forces use of the forearm/elbow to move the mouse (which then must be well supported, with a good table and chair). Trying this after starting to feel pain using a vertical mouse (Logitech MX vertical). For either, though, I need better forearm/elbow support, a problem on the way to be resolved.

On the trackball species, I'm considering the index-finger-tracking Kensington Slimblade Pro. It's super thin, allowing it to be flexibly placed, and combined, in one's setup.

Came looking for information. Found high quality entertainment. And information.

This was very useful *and* entertaining. I actually thought I knew who the inventor of the mouse was (I thought Alan Kay) but I was mistaken. Alan Kay refined the mouse itself and basically sold Apple on the concept. Well done!

to me the master mx was a huge relief after using the magic mouse, now I use an elecom deft pro trackball, the trick with trackballs is making the pointer faster, at least for me, I can move the pointer from the left side of one 4k monitor to the right side of the second 4k monitor in a single flick.

I'm one of the trackball fans that was referenced in the video 😂 PLEASE Dygma be sure to come out with both a proper ergonomic mouse AND a proper ergonomic trackball. I exclusively use trackballs and I would love to have a well thought out trackball from Dygma to compliment my Dygma Defy (which I know I won't receive until August/September 😀)

I use the LIFT Logi mouse. Game Changer! Night & Day! Baby, Night & Day! I use to have such bad wrist/ arm pain. I would wear different wrist support or an elbow. It took no time getting use to. It came so naturally that was the true bouns. It even has Features like the buttons that you can customize. Who ever thought, huh. I didnt even think i would like this but i love it. Cut, paste, toggling is on a whole another level. Lol, I love the old school mouse. When we play jokes on each other in the office, We we would steal each other's ball out of the mice. For the laser mouse we would put a post it on the bottom so it would not work.

Maybe a third video about mouse movement emulation by the keyboard would be nice to finalize the collection. I am somewhat interested in that but never found someone actually using it for real.

There's an even better pointing device option! A programmable keyboard, which you even make yourselves! :P It's a little hard to get used to doing mouse inputs with a keyboard layer but it's actually surprisingly good to actually use when you're willing to put in the time to learn it. I even play many games with just keyboard. I've never tried an fps with it though, maybe I should give that a go sometime.

I quite like the idea of a trackpad. I suppose it would be possible to tilt it at an angle to avoid pronation. If you do that, would it still be less than ideal for productivity? Great video.

Hey, you guys should make a trackpoint module for your dygma keyboards. You could even have one on both halves and add extra functionality to it. It's the perfect combination! It isn't the best for every use case, but it does well on a lot of them and it doesn't take any extra space, you can have both the trackpoint and another mouse solution on your setup!!

Do some trackball company's drivers allow for a modifier to switch between two speeds (to allow for small and large movements)? I don't know as I don't use one. 😅

do u have any Nygma?

I tried the Logitech MX Master 3 and the MX Ergo Plus. I didn't like the Master 3 because the buttons felt mushy and were too easy to click (I kept clicking them by accident while resting my hand on the mouse), and I didn't like the Ergo Plus because using it put too much strain on my thumb. I settled on the G604 because it has six programmable thumb buttons and an internal memory that means I don't have to connect to G Hub every time I want to use them.

Interesting that a keyboard-only company has done mouse research. *foreshadowing*

I see that you use only 2 fingers to operate mouse buttons and scroll. I utilize 3 fingers - middle for scroll/middle and ring for right button. For me it always felt natural. And since I use a thumb trackball (and occasionaly a gaming mouse with buttons on the side), only my pinky is jobless. Am I a weirdo?

There is another device not mentioned in the video - the TABLET! Holding a pen is way more ergonomic than the posture on all other devices, and the tablet allows both fast and percise movements without much forearm movement.

Seems like the best mouse would be a trackball/traditional optical combo

9:44 I'm not sure this trackball "drawback" about sensitivity conflicts between large screens and precision work, is unique to trackballs. And even if it is more specific to trackballs, there are easy ways to circumvent this issue with basic hardware/software configuration which are natively built into many trackballs' basic infrastructure, to the point that it really shouldn't be a deciding factor in whether or not to get a trackball. At most, it's a deciding factor in WHICH trackball to get. Most trackball software (including general-use third-party ones) gives you options for how to customize acceleration curves so that the cursor moves farther across the screen when you move the ball faster, and less distance when you move it slower. With the right acceleration curves and a little bit of practice you can reliably fling the cursor all over the screen with quick flicks of the ball, then hone in on smaller, slower movements for those tasks that require much more precision. I know it's common for people to dislike acceleration with a conventional mouse, but it's actually very intuitive with a trackball due to the physical nature of how a rolling ball will travel farther when it's moving faster, which is different from how your brain might think about cursor movement when moving a mouse across a two-dimensional plane. Certain trackballs even give you extra DPI toggle buttons in convenient locations or software-enabled chorded actions that you can click to cycle between two user-selected sensitivity levels, so you can have a standard default setting for general usage situations, and then click a button (or chorded buttons) to be in super low DPI when you need that pixel-perfect, microscopic accuracy. It's akin to having a "sniper button" like you'd see on certain gaming mice. Not all trackball manufacturers give you these kinds of options, but I know from first-hand experience that Logitech, Kensington, and GameBall do.

Can you make a review on the RAGNOK 2 mouse?

You said that using a trackpad makes your hand pronated, yet as an avid trackpad user, I may disagree with the statement. Using a trackpad my hand and wrist are in their natural, relaxed position, I mostly use an index finder(for moving a cursor around) and a combination with a ring finger(for swiping).

I'm a bit blown away that a mouse & trackball review/comparison doesn't include actual device usage 🙂. Kind of like reviewing a restaurant without trying out any dishes.

1:32 A slight correction, the axis are flipped. The vertical bar is for x axis and the horizontal on is for y axis.

Waiting for the Dygmouse.

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks all these mice videos might be leading to something!?? Great video again, love your sense of humour and the bloopers at the end!

I really like the Logitech MX Vertical, been using it for 2 years. Though I'm eager to try a trackball too, thanks for the ideas!

The Straw hat, the red shirt, I'm getting major Luffy vibes this video

I'm using a dygma raise with silent switches and fancy ceramic keycaps with a HyperX pulsefire haste 2. It's not that expensive, you can click any way with it (good for a minecraft player like me) and it's super light. Comfortable enough to use for a while, although not ergonomic.

What about handshoe mouse, finger mouse and pen mouse?

funny because a lot of studios have trackball mice

Are Dygma going to make a mouse ?

I can’t believe I actually used that old mouse before. God I’m old 😂

So the only solution that avoids pronation is the vertical mouse, but those are terrible for gaming. Maybe we have identified a gap in the current market? 🤔 Or is there no way to get around the straining pinch with vertical mice by nature of their shape? Also with trackballs, can you avoid pronation if it is a thumb trackball with a steep tilt? I'm thinking something like logitech's MX ergo, but I've just barely started to research trackballs so there could be other products I'm not aware of.

Sailing in the search for the One Piece to control the cursor, some users also use a tablet with a pen. This way your mouse becomes a pen and you can get a better grab.

Finger operated trackballs are just great for working with code! I have Kensington Slimblade Pro and Elecom Huge and they both great. I prefer Elecom, with balls mod it's super precise and smooth. I need to work more than 10 hours every day and trackball is great for me.

Dygmouse confirmed. On your desk soon* Soon = when it's done

MX Vertical

Who says I can't throw a trackball mouse around like a claw-grip one

the logitech mx ergo, dont @me just 1v1 me DMRs on Reflection(halo: reach) or Glitch(titanfall 2). I'm trash but that says nothing about trackballs.

You guys need to make one! Most mice on the market are terrible and have awful software.

Pretty girl with pretty mice. How cool is that? Thank you for the informative and funky video.

Definitely Lift

well the "invention" harmed a lot of people so it makes sense that the guy did not make any money out of it.

You forgot to include 3D mice.

bro skipped the laser mice

pobre pinky :(

Ugh…just announce your mouse already! 😂😊🙊

So we are gona see a Digma Mouse?

so basically there is no good solutions.

Dead annoying video, as well as the one with vertical mouses. So annoying, that I can't focus on the information provided.

this video is super informative... apart from you behaving like a clown and being anything but serious.