E-bikes Are Being Banned All Over
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3 ай бұрынLike, Share & Subscribe! Today we look at some of the e-bike bans that are taking place. Is there anything we can do? What could that be? Well here are my thoughts. Thanks for watching and enjoy.
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@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
I just looked at the analytics on this video, and the average watch time is right around the six minute mark. Please watch through this entire video as there is quite a lot of information in this. We are only clocking an extra nine minutes. We very much appreciate this.
@shredmas 3 ай бұрын
Listening on headphones and you voice only comes out of the left side. Maybe that's why.
@ratpup 3 ай бұрын
Re the 6 min ave watch time…I’m 100% on your side on this issue but when you don’t have clarity of facts about the tragic accident or say “I’m not on top of the world right now and haven’t done research” and “I THINK it’s 20mph for class 1, maybe it’s a little lower…” (class 1 & 2 are 20mph) right around the 6 min mark, ppl will signed off. Your making a great point, don’t apologize or discount your intended message which has great points about helmets and “undefined e-bikes”! E-bikes are bringing people back to a great mode of commuting or exercising, keep making great arguments and educating so the uninformed politicians don’t make uneducated, knee-jerk reactions to a great evolution of biking.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
@@ratpup I do appreciate that and it is noted. Thanks much for watching. The day that this happened I just had a cancer treatment but I did want to get this video put together to go out on Monday. That's why I told people I was not completely on top of the world. I did not want to give the false impression that I had looked into this extensively. Thanks very much, I will definitely keep this thought in mind as well.
@davidressler4292 3 ай бұрын
message is well received. I've listened to the entire thing. Your style is jawboning and it is not clear if the rest of the time will deliver a new point or simply rehash the same old points. I suggest making up a talking point list and perhaps reviewing at the onset what you are going to cover (30 seconds), then go into the message and deliver your points in order. Thanks for putting this together
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
@@davidressler4292 I appreciate the advice. Will certainly look closer at it. The day I did this video, I just had a cancer treatment the day before, so I was a bit drained at the time of shooting it. But I did wanna get this video together, so that’s why we did it. that being said, I have been known to go on and on about the same thing a time or two. So I will certainly see about improving on that. Thanks for respectful critique. It’s much appreciated David.
@robinthurston3382 3 ай бұрын
The establishment is so afraid we're going to travel for free.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
Surely not. Are they not for we the people? I might wanna be quiet before they start taxing the air I breathe. Thanks for watching and enjoy your evening.
@theroadsnearyou...5088 3 ай бұрын
Don’t worry, they’ve got plans for taxing the air you breath!@@southernebiking
@bravojr 3 ай бұрын
The Kings land, is defined by the Kings rules, YOU WILL PAY PEASENT ! *SPITS EVERYWHERE WHILE EATING A CHICKEN LEG THE SIZE OF A TURKEY*
@jashuasmith9361 3 ай бұрын
BINGO!
@ossumopossum 3 ай бұрын
this was great and clearly demonstrates the need for classification, certification and safety advocacy. the metro suburb valley i live in has a bike path that runs the entire length with many under crossings and protected signals at major roads. if the community adopted cycling as a means of transportation we are going to see a massive rise in single and multi cyclist injury. i think we will see dash cams become standard to prove fault because healthcare is so expensive (usa)
@Altema22 3 ай бұрын
3,394 lives lost to cars and trucks in Florida last year: nothing done. 1 life lost in accident involving an e-bike: e-bikes banned. And the person who died would have done so in a collision with anything. Hypocrisy much?
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
Of course, it is hypocrisy. But it’s not going to change until you let your politicians know statistics like this. Everybody keeps saying oh this is crazy. Oh, they can’t do this. Guess what they are. Irregardless, thanks for watching and please let your public servants know how you feel about this.
@DOCWHOK9 3 ай бұрын
" reg-u-la-tions" are NOT Laws, SHOVE YOUR "RULES". BAN CARS, BAN PEOPLE, BAN EVERYTHING 😂
@Doc.Holiday 3 ай бұрын
We are becoming an illogical society. I’m left feeling like Spock more-and-more every day. Statistically speaking.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
@@DOCWHOK9 that is good in theory. But then you’re the one left to fight it.
@jokermtb 3 ай бұрын
Ironic that Florida has NO helmet law for motorcycles, yet are fine with all the motorcycle deaths….. it’s all about control
@noneedtoknow2870 2 ай бұрын
How about faulting the individual person that does something stupid, rather than faulting everyone as a whole.
@iankelly3081 2 ай бұрын
Good point. It's not the bike it's the rider.
@BillySBC 2 ай бұрын
That's not how laws are made, what they do for one they must do for all. When you see fools going around acting jackass on these bikes let them know you're a biker too and want them to knock it off.
@NickFrom1228 2 ай бұрын
@@BillySBC Yes, tell people being idiots to knock it off but as iankelly3081 pointed out, it's still the rider and not the bikes so there was no need to ban the bikes.
@BillySBC 2 ай бұрын
@@NickFrom1228 Tell that to the general public that wants the a-holes with the electric bikes off the sidewalks and out of the road. Like anything else, fools will ruin it for everyone.
@sammyjimsmith6100 2 ай бұрын
On ur video u show going right thru a stop sign
@chuckhuckle 3 ай бұрын
A girl tourist got drunk and hit a bride and groom on a golf cart in my town and killed the bride. They didn't ban golf carts, alchohol or weddings or tourist. But somehow it makes sense to ban ebikes after one accident.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
You are correct it does not make sense. And yet they are still doing it. This is why I am trying to get this information out as I can to talk to your representation. Thank you so much for watching.
@TheAgentAssassin 3 ай бұрын
To be fair the person in the car was going 60mph in a 35mph zone. Why not ban cars on that island?
@Ruhan885 3 ай бұрын
Stupid comparison. You are not legally allowed to drink and drive and that drive is facing felony charges
@rwent1 3 ай бұрын
@@Ruhan885 No, it’s not a stupid comparison because no one is blaming the golf cart yet these idiots are blaming the ebike. It’s the BEHAVIOR that should be regulated, not the inanimate object.
@Doc.Holiday 3 ай бұрын
@@rwent1,… you can talk until you are blue. First know that I’m 70 but graced but still have the ability to reason. When people get old they suffer from arrested development. E-bikes are foreign to them. Simple old minds are not capable of critical thought. I talk to old people a lot. They just aren’t capable of understanding anything but simplicity. Banning e-bikes is a shiny object they can grasp.
@sunsetpalms1923 3 ай бұрын
There's a teenager in my town that speeds around on his 60mph Sur-Ron ebike. People like him are going to ruin it for everybody.
@user-ke9yk5qp3u 3 ай бұрын
Yeah, but if you ride one you will understand what that teenager is doing. It is the time of your life! They are so damn fun!
@Scomelbasses 3 ай бұрын
@@user-ke9yk5qp3uI’m fine with Sur-Ron’s, but they need to be registered and insured as they are motor vehicles and not bicycles.
@user-ke9yk5qp3u 3 ай бұрын
@@Scomelbasses no can-do. They do not come with titles and there is absolutely no way to register them or get them insured.
@Scomelbasses 3 ай бұрын
@@user-ke9yk5qp3u then something else will have to be done, maybe require Sur-Ron to lower the power to conform to the bike classifications or require them to have vin numbers and titles. As they are, they're not legal for the road or trails in most places.
@user-ke9yk5qp3u 3 ай бұрын
@@Scomelbasses probably not gonna happen. No one in my area cares. Cruising on the streets or on the trails in five different cities and no one pays any attention as long as you're being friendly and courteous. I ride past cops all the time on mine and never once have they stopped me. I also have a scooter that go 45+ mph, and an electric unicycle that goes even faster than that. I ride my electric unicycle down main street at 35 miles an hour and the cops don't even look at me. I also have an electric skateboard that goes over 30 miles an hour. And I installed a chip on my electric mountain bike to override the 20 mile an hour speed limiter.
@dankollars4501 2 ай бұрын
ridiculous, people have been dying on bicycles for decades and i don't see them being banned, also in cars, motorcycles, agricultural machinery, planes, in bathtubs. people die all the time yet one person dies in a electric bike accident and they want to ban them. unbelievable.
@southernebiking 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching Dan. As I am sure you already know, this is not about some person who had an accident. It is about this particular person having an accident and knowing someone at a high level. Sad that this is the way things work. Enjoy the rest of your evening.
@garybregel1572 13 күн бұрын
Liberal mentality.
@southernebiking 12 күн бұрын
@@garybregel1572 thank you for watching Gary. On the surface I would certainly agree with you as it certainly falls under that same category. Believe it or not, this town is considered to be conservative, and it is a Republican senator that they have working with them to do this. I guess it just falls back to what I have said long ago the, the only right, and left in politics, is nothing more than the right cheek, and the left cheek of the same tail end.
@altimate19 2 ай бұрын
Imagine if we banned cars for 60 days after every accident where someone died . . .
@southernebiking 2 ай бұрын
Exactly. Thanks for watching
@southernebiking 24 күн бұрын
@@Robert-jd6po first off let me say thank you for watching Robert. And thank you for putting a crossed a reasonable debate. Secondly, it is written in the state statutes that local municipalities can control their sidewalks and bike paths and restrict them from ebikes. They are also doing this on public roads. Thirdly, and make no mistake. My prayers are with the family of the person who passed. But they are using. This is nothing but a weapon. They are completely swept under the rug that she was not wearing a helmet. When someone tried to bring up this fact in a town meeting discussing this, they were booed out and escorted out by the police. That is not sound like people are looking for change for the betterment of everyone. That has more ringing of a mob. And lastly, the state statute defines what is an E bike. If in fact they were having problems with the youth in this town. I can almost promise you it is not on what is legally defined as an E bike. So instead of taking care of true culprits, they have decided to throw a blanket over everything. This is my problem with what they are doing in this town. Not completely sure of the legality of banning these on the road. Because defined E bikes are considered the same as a bicycle, with the same rights. That would be kind of like banning a blue Mustang, because one was in an accident. I do not believe the law allows you to react that way. Again, thank you for watching.
@sscbkr48 6 күн бұрын
A mechanic at a bike shop said he rides an ebike because he lost his licence.. dui. Car drivers have a licence and insurance. In BC ebikes have neither. Ebike batteries have blown windows out of residences and killed some in close quarters. So sure, do some investigating before you unleash unregulated ebikes on the road, and being fast and silent, they have no business on a sidewalk either.
@southernebiking 6 күн бұрын
@sscbkr48 And your investigation is " A bike mechanic said"
@SanctuaryLife 3 ай бұрын
Can't allow a device that can get you around from A to B without paying heavy taxes now can we??
@southernebiking 2 ай бұрын
Especially if they become popular. IE more people to tax.
@TuanLe-ko5rm 2 ай бұрын
When you ride e-bikes you don’t spend money on gas, insurance ect. That’s a no no!
@stevesecret2515 Ай бұрын
You don't spend money for those things with pedal bikes either. Is anyone banning pedal only bikes?
@ericbennett1872 Ай бұрын
I don't think so Tim...lol
@zero_cool817 17 күн бұрын
Also they ticket us for seatbelts and window tint and all the other vehicle code revenue generators for the state.
@ericbennett1872 13 күн бұрын
@@-BUFFALOMan not going to happen.
@Flyingaceful 4 күн бұрын
@@-BUFFALOManDream on.
@onedominant 2 ай бұрын
I live in downtown Memphis TN. I walked to the post office last Saturday to mail a letter. Two 4-wheelers sped up behind me and missed me by inches ON THE SIDEWALK. Ebikes are being singled out for bullying. -- I am just now looking into getting an ebike as an alternate means of getting to work (8 miles each way). With 2 bad knees and a heart condition, an ebike is the only way biking will be possible at all. But, I have to use alternate transportation on Fridays. Twice now, I've nearly had a heart attack chasing a city bus because it blew right past the stop like I wasn't even there, waving down the driver even. I think the message is: Drive a car, buy gas/oil, and buy insurance, or lose your job... or just die on the side of the road anyway, chasing a effing bus that ignores you. They don't care which, so long as somebody makes a dollar.
@southernebiking 2 ай бұрын
Good luck with it friend. I think the E bikes are being singled out because they have not charged enough money to us for riding them yet. Stay safe.
@RonCaldera 19 күн бұрын
Why bother with it- ride it! Screw it so what we outnumbered by car drivers that just don’t like us just because our numbers low and if it was reversed cars would be having same thrown at them. So go ahead.. just politely say no!
@cblu535 12 күн бұрын
WoW! Your comment was so interesting to read because I live in a small-town MI and have the same medical issues, as well as others. I've been looking into E-bikes for years and became more determined lately because the city bus system not only seem to hate to see me coming with my electric or manual wheelchairs... meaning the driver will have to buckle them down, get up out of thier seats, and possible be late getting to connecting buses for their transfers. They absolutely been late before they ever got to my stop, and I have even gone so far as to sit on the seat, so they can do the least, yet they use me as an excuse, Also, they have recently changed the whole bus schedule after getting the whole whatever extra funds for Covid where we were able to ride for free, they then decided that they could not find any new drivers, so they are now not running on the weekends, stopping all rides at 3pm, instead of 6pm, and only running every hour, not half hour. They took out many stops and have gone through so many drivers who they claim did not have the right attitude for the work. Of course it was all the kind, polite ones that go so quickly. Anywho I elect to use my manual chair so that I can use my legs and get up to stretch, get my blood flowing, and work up a good heart rate, as I have AFIB. I wonder if I could handle riding an E-Bike but it's my last opportunity to stay active, get out sometimes to get away from a neighbor who illegally smokes in the apt under me. As I have a few disabilities working against me, I am very concerned that this is just another way to dive into the elderly's funds and keep us reliant in a way that they can track us and any money we get. Someone at the bus garage has the driver of bus i get on call in and let them know every time I get on the bus, by stating where I got on, if I got a transfer, where I'm transferring to, and where I'm getting off. So, this a way of tracking people, where the bikes would give us our freedom & independence back, if I can tolerate it on my spine. Lastly, I just saw a video where a guy is showing how he just built an E-Bike to go up to 100 miles an hour, SO? Can you imagine what these younger ones could get away with when it comes to police chasing them? I think it would be best the to give more work to construction and road workers to build certain areas that are more bikers only, and bike friendly, so the traffic would be better between them. May restrictions for certain ones on certain paths, but we just can't have the U.S. fighting for climate control, for cleaner air, only to make it cost more than driving, or as much. That seems very counterproductive and lacks respects or concerns for the seniors who need it most.
@southernebiking 11 күн бұрын
@@cblu535 You could also take a look at an E-trike. May be just the thing for you.
@user-gw4rt7in2w 11 күн бұрын
I'm very disabled back spine actually shifted n I can only get out on a bike to Walk the dog but of course my time out on bike I got pulled over by police n taken off road I'm 58 I was polite but didn want to be I wanted to say try being a prisoner in your home I can't walk see if he ride a bike bet he would
@willhall640 29 күн бұрын
I started mountain biking back in the mid 80's. Since then I've watched mountain bikes go from being ignored in the beginning to being banned in a lot of places and now back to being ignored. Ebikes have been around long enough that they've attracted the attention of the haters. The new shiny thing to be angry at. Eventually they'll just be ignored again as their popularity and numbers increase. The real ISSUE here is REGULATIONS on everything all the time. Too much government involvement in every aspect of our lives.
@dennismccolley1380 3 ай бұрын
Politicians need to have their job description explained to them They seem to be quite confused on what their job is.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
You are quite correct, Dennis. I also think a lot of us Citizens have not set the expectations for our politicians. Make sure you let them know what you expect of them. Thanks so much for watching. Let them hear your voice and encourage others to do the same. Have a great day.
@cryptiedan 3 ай бұрын
@@southernebikingthey won't listen, unfortunately. Politicians are just in it for themselves. If citizens came in full force regarding letting politicians understand how class 1, 2, 3 work it would takes years.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
@@cryptiedan you are correct. But they are not going to change this on their own. Quite frankly, only way it’s going to change is if we change it.
@mikepalmer2219 3 ай бұрын
They know exactly what it is. All governments exist to grab power and become bigger and more oppressive. It is the antithesis to liberty. And people will still be ok with the government getting bigger and bigger.
@richdavenport7751 3 ай бұрын
It's not a free country anymore
@SCPVIDEOPRODUCTION 3 ай бұрын
Infrastructure does not support the e-bikes it’s too new. Skateboards were a problem at one time they made skate parks. People that ski did not like snowboarders they worked out. Same here it’s new it’s taking off. And the same government that is saying we all need to go green is now wanting to ban it unless they can tax you for it.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching. You said at all when your last sentence. That part about taxing us for it. I am just hoping we can leave some of these bikes as they are with the same rights as regular bicycles. Because some of them are just that regular bicycles with a small amount of assistance.
@DADDY_DIGI_HOBBIES 3 ай бұрын
First off the reality is that the people banning low speed electric assistance bikes are ignorant, But a significant % of e bikes are motorcycles. We have had motorcycles longer than cars. Motorcycles have restrictions. So why are we electric motorcycles differently than electric cars? treating traditional bikes like motorcycles by limiting speed is also unfair.
@ricciottimolfese3500 3 ай бұрын
Could just go back to streets covered in horse shit.
@livenhfree 3 ай бұрын
I don't think it's a tax issue. I think it's a safety issue.
@splashpit 3 ай бұрын
@@livenhfreereally , people riding motorbikes around with nothing but a bandanna protecting their head and people have safety issues with an assisted bicycle
@troyduren7092 3 ай бұрын
I'm disabled and I use my feedback bike to get everywhere. So how's that fair to me
@rustypotatos 3 ай бұрын
Keep using it man
@brenthoward2036 3 ай бұрын
I support your use
@erich.4305 3 ай бұрын
exceptions can always be made just like folks with disabilities can get special parking permits.
@herberthall8082 2 ай бұрын
The question is not fairness but safety. It's tough to be disabled, so I am sure you would not want somebody else to be disabled by being hit by an ebike.
@user-xn4bj5pb5j Ай бұрын
So are we going to ban cars because someone was hit or disabled in a car accident?@herberthall8082
@raylivengood8040 3 ай бұрын
Unfortunately there’s always going to be people pushing the limits. I go fast, but not near pedestrians or slower traffic.
@pedrofernandez8729 3 ай бұрын
I learned it happened when it was dark, this is a knee-jerk reaction by this mayor, what if the boy had been on a normal bike? It says nothing about how fast he was going. What they need to do is keep those under a certain age from riding these e bikes. When i was 12, I wanted to go faster, but my bike or legs would not allow it. Now they can. Dangerous that they can do so by twisting a throttle.
@donvee2000 3 ай бұрын
Exactly... because 60 yr olds vote, 12 yr olds do not.
@BlackWarriorLures 3 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's really the Surrons making all the trouble plus people not obeying the rules of the road. A Surron at 45 mph running stops signs on a sidewalk is a problem. Banning my 5 to 8 mph e-assist trike on a multi use path is a lesson in overreaching governmental authorities.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
You are 100% correct. And thank you very much for watching. The problem is, our politicians, a.k.a. are servants. Do not know the difference between that 45 mile an hour Sauron. And your 8 mph trike with an electric assisted motor. If we have a child, that knows no better, he will make an awful lot of mistakes. It is our job to educate him. Same with our politicians. I think a lot of our politicians. Forget that they are there to serve us. But I also think a lot of our citizens forget they cannot serve us if we do not tell them what we expect. So let your voice be heard. Again, thanks much for watching.
@tonymckee148 3 ай бұрын
i was hoping one day it would happen just to say i told them so .....and i would love to see their faces now with all there friends .....i just hope the basic ebike laws stay in place and no other laws come my way.....
@MishaDaBear 3 ай бұрын
The dealers should be charged, everything would fall in place.
@BlackWarriorLures 3 ай бұрын
@@MishaDaBearAnd put even more bike shops out of business?
@billric1945 3 ай бұрын
Watched the jerk on a Surron doing 40+ on sidewalks in Compton California!! It’s on KZfaq.
@lynnsbomb 3 ай бұрын
In the free country everything is banned by the occupying regime.
@user-hs7ht2df2w 24 күн бұрын
Vote out bike banning politicians .
@marcusrawls2125 3 ай бұрын
If a Bans occurs it should make a clarification between bikes with and without pedal assist. Those with pedal assist should be legal.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
I certainly agree with your market. However, most of these city leaders and lawmakers have no idea there is a difference. That’s why we need to educate them. You noticed every single one of the articles I quoted, all said ebikes. Never did acknowledge the different classes. Thanks for watching.
@jdgoesham5381 3 ай бұрын
I'd not even follow it and take it to a higher court. They've PUSHED electric vehicles on us and scared us into electric everything and now after we buy 1k-5k dollar ebikes to get around and this happens over one incident? When cars do this every day it seems like discrimination.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
@@jdgoesham5381 but I would much rather head this off before taking it to court. We do have experience in a very high court and it is a long tedious battle. Especially when you're going up against something like a state or federal. Yes you can win, yes we did, but I would sure rather not go through that again. Thanks for watching. Make your voice heard now to the politicians instead of later to a judge.
@Mikle.Bikle18 3 ай бұрын
How about just sticking to safe or unsafe riding laws: speed, recklessness , traffic infractions and other sensible policies?
@kevintraynor4508 3 ай бұрын
Totally agree with this
@garywillhoit 3 ай бұрын
In the 1970’s Springfield , Il decided residents needed to plate and register their bikes. 10 speeds were becoming popular and being stolen regularly. I lived in a village bordering the city. Law didn’t apply to us. Law was a failure. Theft stayed up and it was too expensive to enforce. Illinois has a pretty good e and regular bike law. Have to be 16 to ride an ebike. But don’t need a helmet. Or insurance. If your city is more restrictive, complain to your cities leaders.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
Thank you much Gary. And you are exactly right in your last sentence. This is what I am trying to get people to understand. Most of these politicians have forgotten they are our servants. But it’s very easy for them to forget if the citizens forgot as well, and do not have any expectations of them. Thanks for watching.
@wellfleation1 3 ай бұрын
Give me a break. This push is all about the lobbyist for the insurance agencies so we are by law extorted to pay them or be harassed and eventually arrested in the near future as well. The GOPee hard at work.
@huckfin1598 3 ай бұрын
You’re comparing regulations for theft with safety???
@garywillhoit 3 ай бұрын
@@huckfin1598 license plates and registration were done to reduce theft. It failed. How much are they going to spend to enforce safety laws? My town , a state capital, doesn’t even enforce car regulations. Too expensive. We don’t have a helmet law for anyone. We don’t care about safety.
@kokopelli314 2 ай бұрын
They tried bike licenses where I live for a couple of years back in the 1970s. The program was a total failure. Some still have their retro plastic "plates" though 😅
@cryptiedan 3 ай бұрын
This is a scary video for people who are harmlessly riding ebikes. Thankfully I live in a rural town and my town just passed a law to allow 4 wheelers/ Side-by-Sides/ UTV'S in the town streets so I hopefully will never have to deal with these corrupt/ unintelligent/ uninformed politicians. I appreciate your informartive video here for sure. I hope these laws don't get out of control.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
Thank you very much. It sounds as though you live in a town that used to be very common in the United States 40 years ago. Unfortunately, now these towns are not as common. You are 100% correct with the statement of the politicians. Many have forgotten they are there to serve us. Thanks so much for watching.
@robertseaburg67 3 ай бұрын
All is good here, engines,4 wheelers,side by sides, off road vehicles, all allowed to ride on town roads. Of course we still have to obey common traffic laws and rules and use common sense. It's that simple. The freedoms of rural WV. As it should be
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
@@robertseaburg67 must be a small town. Because that’s where common sense still prevails. You get into the bigger areas, I guess they’re so crowded. They have no room for common sense to remain. If you would not have told me, you was in West Virginia, my guess would’ve been Nevada or Wyoming. A lot of the towns out in the very rural areas remain with common sense. Glad to see there’s still some places here in the east that have it. Have a great day.
@robertwyland7770 3 ай бұрын
This is as much an infrastructure problem as it is a regulation problem. There needs to be a separation between cars, bikes or ebikes, and pedestrians. Riding on a "bike path " that is full of pedestrians acting like squirrels on the path is dangerous. Its really a multiuser path. Passing a pedestrian at 15mph that is not situation aware is dangerous. Placing that same bike on the roadway that has no shoulder where cars are going 30 mph is bad too. There needs to be separate infrastructure for bikes!
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the very well thought out comment Robert. I would agree it is infrastructure and enforcement. My whole reason for this video is to let people know they need to have their voice heard as politicians do not seem to see any difference in any e-bike. There is a wide spectrum of them. On one end just a small amount of assistance and on the other end they are built to be throttled around. But I agree with everything you said here as well. Thanks for watching.
@GaJa-ma748c3 3 ай бұрын
Cities can't seem to have sidewalks, if they do it twists at the corners.
@livenhfree 3 ай бұрын
Bicycles (IMO) do not belong on "bike" paths. A misnomer if there ever was one. And certainly not eBikes. Too many people to dodge, folks walking pets, runners, etc. I'm a bike enthusiast. Bicycles belong on the road, obeying traffic laws. I've never had a problem because I behave like a car, respect traffic signals, and always make eye contact with other drivers. If we do these things, we can coexist peacefully. Anyway, eBikes are a new class of vehicle. The law needs to catch up.
@johnstack5008 22 күн бұрын
@@livenhfree be careful driving on the road. Lots of drivers out there with their heads buried in their phones or fiddling with car electronics.
@livenhfree 22 күн бұрын
@@johnstack5008 Very true, and I think moreso with car tech. I just got a brand new vehicle and the distractions are worse than the phones.
@jeffreyerwin3665 3 ай бұрын
How about bike path speed limits for all bikes. I have had encounters with regular bike rides going 30 mph on sidewalks.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
I have had the same encounters Jeffrey. The message I am trying to get out to folks right now is to let city leaders and lawmakers know that there are many different types of E bikes out there. If you notice, most of the time they all get lumped together as one. Maybe if we could educate our public servant, they would start distinguishing between different types of the bikes. Thank you much for watching. We do appreciate it.
@ohwell2790 3 ай бұрын
E-Bikes do not belong on side walks, period.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
@@ohwell2790 well that is as well thought out as car driver saying bicycles do not belong on the road period. Do regular bicycles belong on the sidewalk?
@jeffreyerwin3665 3 ай бұрын
@@ohwell2790 Hey, if the 45 mph road has lots of traffic but no shoulder, I am going to ride my e-bike on the sidewalk --- at a slow speed, of course, and pedestrians will get the right-of-way.
@chalkyblack7582 3 ай бұрын
They was probably going 15mph I highly doubt 30
@TheLionsDen72 3 ай бұрын
Class 1: Pedal assist only up to 20 mph. Allowed on all trails, paths, and green lanes. Class 2: same as Class 1. Also has a throttle. Both class 1 and 2 may not be allowed in certain areas due to local city ordinance. Class 3: Peddle assist only (no throttle) up to 28 mph. Helmet required. Only allowed on public roadways and off road areas. Not leagal on any trail, path, or green bike lane. This is the classifications here in California.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
You are correct. I believe this is close to what the classifications are in Florida. However, they did ban all E bikes. My whole purpose for putting this video out is to make sure everyone let your politicians be aware that there is a big difference from one end of the spectrum to the other where these bikes are concerned. If all they hear, is that E bikes, or the problem, then they lump all E bikes in the same category as they make new regulations and ordinances. Thanks so much for watching and make sure that your voice is heard.
@polyrhythmia 3 ай бұрын
My E-bike recumbent has a throttle. Its function is to assist takeoff. If I wanted a bike that I didn't have to pedal, I'd get a motorcycle. I find 20 mph to be fast enough. When encountering someone on a trail, I announce coming and slow way down.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
I feel the exact same way. I can afford a motorcycle. If I want to use a throttle that is what I will get. Thank you much for watching.
@rustyr6404 3 ай бұрын
I wish all riders would ride like you and then we wouldn’t need to worry about our e-bikes being restricted. We are elderly and depend on our bikes to get out and see nature.
@abfutrell 3 ай бұрын
Speaking of ebikes and your Neuse River Trail video. We had a fellow cyclist taken down by a ebike on the NRT. The ebike user made an unsafe pass in the middle to overtake another trail user with a line of opposing cyclists. He clipped bars and brought a friend down breaking his collar bone. Physics always wins when dealing with momentum. That 15 pound road bike will always be a no contest against Bowser.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
But the entire point of this video is that there is a wide spectrum of ebikes. My personal E bike weighs 12 pounds more than a mountain bike. There are very light E bikes out there as well. People need to quit throwing a blanket over every E bike out there. I have had road cyclist with her head down for aerodynamics in groups of four and five come past us at almost double our speed while on the Neuse River Trail. That does not mean I get the right to throw a blanket statement over every cyclist about how they’re not paying attention just for aerodynamics. do you see where I’m coming from on this? My wife is a hiker and has had her group have to jump out of the way of regular cyclist. Would it be fair for hikers to throw a blanket statement and say no more cycles allowed? Or I have ridden most of the cycleways in the wake county area. One time, I saw what appeared to be a suron. Quite honestly, that is the only time I have ever saw a bike that appears like it was built to be used with throttle primarily on any other Greenways in that area. I am not saying there are not some bikers out there that are using their throttle. But overall in the over 3000 miles I have traveled on cycleways I have not seen much of an issue like I am hearing some people complain about. And I promise you I could complain about the road cyclist with just as many experiences and facts to back it up. but I would prefer not to throw a blanket over everybody and light it on fire. Thanks for watching.
@livenhfree 3 ай бұрын
Bingo.
@Mikle.Bikle18 3 ай бұрын
Some of these knee jerk rulings are going to be temporary because the traffic patterns would benefit, the environment would benefit, the economy would benefit. And reversals are already happening in the UK lifting Wattage restrictions and throttle restrictions because that didn’t make functional sense. America will follow in a few years, and realize e bikes need to keep up with traffic on urban streets for safety for drivers and e bikers.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
Agreed. Thanks for watching. Enjoy your day.
@pedrofernandez8729 3 ай бұрын
And who is gonna enforce the regulations? The cops? I doubt it, I hear and see cars with no muffler, no cat and straight pipes, loud as hell, driving down the street and no one stops or tickets them.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching Pedro. Honestly it’s not important who is going to enforce it. The point I’m trying to make is that these lawmakers need to understand There is a difference in these bikes. At some point they’re gonna make it tough enough on these fast ones that it will be able to be enforced. I wanna make sure those regulations don’t come on us.
@skygirl341 3 ай бұрын
in Florida? lol thay will over enforce it florida
@MishaDaBear 3 ай бұрын
The seller!
@malanalan1 3 ай бұрын
This goes to show that local governments are full of morons.
@hottamalekid3502 2 ай бұрын
No gas, no oil, no license, no registration, no tax, no insurance, no cut for the government...can't have that.
@southernebiking 2 ай бұрын
Bull’s-eye. Thanks for watching. You are completely correct.
@user-jm7kc4bm8m 2 ай бұрын
They mad they aren’t stealing from these pockets too. Do your thing, keep riding
@southernebiking 2 ай бұрын
Thank you. You are one hundred percent right. thanks for watching
@wb7370 3 ай бұрын
Thank u for your great perspective sir,I'm 68 years old ,live in Brooklyn NY and have been riding ebikes and electric scooters for the past 14 years way before they became popular,I finally gave up driving cars two years ago and just solely rely on getting Around everywhere with these units,I get from point A to point B wayyyy quicker than any car..I would go crazy if ebikes were banded,pray this never happens.god bless
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
God bless you as well. That is awesome that you have been getting around on these for so long. Make sure that your politicians hear this as well. Remember, they are our servants not our masters. Thank you much for watching.
@wb7370 3 ай бұрын
@@southernebiking thanks for a response sir,you have words of wisdom,i put in over 15,000 miles a years on these units, i keep 3 in my storage unit and two in the front yard locked sucured(people love to steal these)saved thousands of dollars so far,no gas,insurance,reg,free parking anywere,or broken down car problems,wonderful invention..great day sir..ps..i subsribed and will show this to all my many friends in NY who ride ebikes..
@MishaDaBear 3 ай бұрын
Way cleaner than any Tesla!
@rustyr6404 3 ай бұрын
We too are elderly . Our e-bikes get us where we couldn’t go. Love, love them . High speed of 20mph. I never go that fast.
@mikeb.7068 3 ай бұрын
Where is the bike trail shown in this video? Thanks.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
This is going to be the Neuse River Trail close to Raleigh North Carolina. Thanks for watching Mike.
@pedrofernandez8729 3 ай бұрын
Some of these so-called e bikes don't even come with pedals, but with pegs. And many of them are so awkward to pedal, they force you to just throttle. I predict manufacturers will have to come up with more stealthy type, class 1, no throttle e bikes and the sales will plummet.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
And these are the ones that are going to cause the greatest amount of problem. It’s kind of a gray area on these ones that are not really built to paddle but they’re only going to 20, that’s a class three. That’s why I actually do like your idea of if it has a throttle it is no longer an E bike. Just think it’s a little bit too late for that to come in the place though. Thanks for watching Pedro.
@kenmcclow8963 3 ай бұрын
@@southernebikingif something doesn’t have pedals it’s not a bike. It’s a motorcycle. The gray area is two wheel vehicles with more than 750 watt motors that do have pedals to avoid registering as a motorcycle and insurance. Then additionally not having turn signals and things to be road legal. I don’t know what regulations are for mopeds, but these seem to fit in that category. I did build a trike that has a 750 watt motor and can throttle to 28mph which is not in any defined class. I usually am pedaling around 10 mph and only use the throttle to get across streets. The trike I ride the most has a 500 watt motor and only delivers 50% output to the throttle, so the motor can assist to 20mph, but the throttle only goes to 10mph. I initially didn’t have the throttle but added it later after I had an incident where I couldn’t pedal and was in the woods with a lot of mosquitoes that could suddenly keep up with me. Throttles aren’t allowed in Europe at all, but people add them discretely.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
@@kenmcclow8963 I cannot disagree with anything that you have said here. My biggest concern is that gray area that you speak about. And my concern stems from the fact that these towns will place restrictions on e-bikes because of the ones that are in the gray area. Notice the town down in Florida banned e-bikes, not just undefined e-bikes. So my push is to have people educate these politicians so that they know there is a difference in a wide spectrum of e-bikes. Thanks much.
@Whoadayson 9 күн бұрын
Can you tell us what the app your using is called? Also what phone mount is it this video as the one in description is not the same. Thank you
@southernebiking 8 күн бұрын
The app is the komoot app. The phone holder is Posiko. You are correct. I really do need to update my accessory list. Thank you so much for watching. BTW, I highly recommend the komoot app.
@Whoadayson 10 сағат бұрын
Oh thank you. Ive been trying to find a phone holder but all of them seemd to have an oversize top 'clamp' that I dont like but yours looks great. Thx for the reply and great videos!
@southernebiking 10 сағат бұрын
@Whoadayson Check on my channel. There is a phone holder that I just found and got off of amazon for 8 dollars. Actually works very well. As a bonus, it leaves your camera open to use.
@shredmas 3 ай бұрын
I'm old and sometimes I bite off more then I can chew. So on the way back my knee will start to lock up. Without the throttle I wouldn't be able to get back.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
I hear you. And the classifications right now, you can have that throttle. I am not against a throttle, nor am I for one. What I am for, is placing a line in the sand, so that when the regulations come down because of some of these ultra high power and high speed ebikes. It does not come down on those that are not riding them. Thanks for watching, God bless and I hope your knee continues to do better.
@shredmas 3 ай бұрын
@@southernebiking I own of three so-called high-powered e-bikes. We call them by their proper name electric dirt bikes. And we haul them every week in the back of a pickup or on a trailer to a designated OHV staging area. And that is the problem in a nutshell these kids that buy them do not have the interest or the vehicles to haul them out to the staging area so what they do is they ride up and down the street on bike lanes and on bike paths wheeling and basically being hooligans. And that my friend ruins it for the rest of us. As is often said the few spoil it for the many
@thelakeman5207 3 ай бұрын
@@shredmas Street takeovers are bad publicity for dirt bikes and 4 wheel ATV's.
@GarysE-BikeAdventures 3 ай бұрын
Thanks again for talking about this subjects. let me know what you find out about that group, thanks for the mention.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
We will definitely let everybody know what we find out on this advocacy group. Thanks for watching.
@DemiGod.. 3 ай бұрын
In the USA, ebikes can travel alot faster than in the UK and Europe which is dangerous on shared paths. In the UK you are limited to motor assistance upto 15.5 mph and a 250W motor. You can get more powerful motors but it becomes classed as a scooter , not allowed on cycle paths and requires a licence , insurance etc. On top of the above, there are quite a few videos on youtube in america of thrill seeking youngsters riding wrecklessly on insanely powerful ebikes which are really e motorbikes, putting pedals on them to fool the police, hitting speeds of around 50mph. An ebike can weigh alot, especially when you add the weight of the rider which will be lethal if hits anyone at speed, a helmet wont help much on who they hit, especially a fragile old woman. I use a motor to help me up hills, not to travel fast, for that I have to use my legs above 15.5 mph where assistance cuts off in the UK.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
You are exactly right. And thank you much for watching. If they want to act like that, on their bikes, I really don’t care. What I do care about is because they are acting like this. On their bikes the regulations are going to come in and hit me as well. so my whole deal is keep the class one and class two and maybe even class three ebikes left alone, and as bicycles here in the United States with the same regulations, and the same responsibilities in the same rights as regular bicycles. These other ones, they can do what they want with those. That’s up to the people that are riding them to fight that fight. thank you much for watching. We certainly do appreciate it. While I do like the bikes to go up to a 20 mile an hour. I would much prefer to be limited to a class one bike, which is 16 mph then have all of them have to be registered insured, etc. Again thank you much for watching.
@garyseckel295 3 ай бұрын
Totally agree! Class 1only Class to remain a "bicycle!" @@southernebiking
@teacherguy5084 2 ай бұрын
When I see ebikes exceeding 35 mph on a path that parallels an industrial arterial in Seattle (with speed limit 35), it's clear something has to change. Our "multi-use paths" , typically 8 to 12 feet wide, are not designed for opposite-direction traffic streams separated only by a 4-inch yellow line, or often no line at all. There's less separation than between cars on a road, and bikes tend to wobble, and don't provide the steel cage protection in a collision. Pedestrians are happy to wear headphones and wander side to side so cyclists need to warn them but can't warn them. An 80-year old lady was knocked over, hit her head on the asphalt, and killed on a path in my metropolis by an adult cyclist (not on an ebike) about 8 years ago and the city promptly lowered the speed limit to 10 mph. I don't know if she turned at 90 degrees to the traffic stream, or it was the cyclist's fault. Really, the engineering community and politicians for the most part treat bikes as toys, and money is always tight, so pedestrians and bike riders are combined on the same roadway. They shouldn't be. Seattle's fifty-year-old Burke Gilman Trail (the original bike trail in Seattle) has been essentially unusable for cycling transportation much of the day for the past 30 years due to lackadaisical attitudes on the part of peds and parents with kids and pets as well as the volumes of users. Cyclists should be on a roadway either by themselves or with cars. Pedestrian-only infrastructure is needed in urban areas. Cyclist-only infrastructure should not have opposing traffic streams, and needs adequate shy distance from posts, fire hydrants, etc. And for the love of God, get rid of those bollard pipes in the middle of the trail that are supposedly there to keep cars off the trails. Sign it properly NO MOTOR VEHICLES and cyclists will keep the cars under control with cell phone reports, etc.
@southernebiking 2 ай бұрын
I guess things are just different on the entire mid-atlantic. I have never seen anybody doing 35 on a bike path. I rarely see anybody on ebikes that are built like the small motorcycles. When I say rarely I have seen one of these in over 3000 miles of traveling bike paths throughout the entire mid-atlantic. What I see more than anything is older couples. Or individuals out for a leisure ride. Typically traveling about 15 miles per hour. I do see quite a few road. Cyclists coming past us very often. Anyway, thanks for watching and enjoy your evening I. 'm not sure what the solution is. But it is certainly not banning
@MrJoefoefrombuffalo 3 ай бұрын
Is there a way to find out what regulations are for each state for example my state New York... Including one wheels.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
So glad you asked. I am putting together a video tomorrow to drop sometime this coming week. That will go into some of this. I will tell you if you go to the website mentioned, people for bikes. They do have a section that gives an overview of laws state by state. The reason the video is not together yet as I have contacted them but not heard back yet as I want to get a little bit of more information where donations will be spent before I give them any money. I am hoping to share this information on the next video that goes out concerning this. But you should be able to gain some pretty good information on your state from their website. Now where I am guiding, you is going to be for ebikes not the one wheels. Not sure where to look for an overview on the one wheels. Thanks for watching.
@MrJoefoefrombuffalo 3 ай бұрын
@@southernebiking thank you. Looking forward to the video. It is similar trying to find a needle in haystack to find what pertains to one wheels.. in New York state
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
@@MrJoefoefrombuffalo as I am looking in the morning, I will see what I can find. I intend to film the video tomorrow, so I cannot make any promises but I will see if it includes one wheels if I can.
@user-ke9yk5qp3u 3 ай бұрын
I simply make sure that I never speed by people, or surprise people, and I am always polite and friendly. I give right away to anyone and everyone because I am battery powered. Beyond that I do not give a damn about rules! I keep my earbuds in and act like I don't hear people and just keep on riding. E bikes are mainly ridden by older people who feel like they have a newfound lease on life! Leave them alone! All activities come with risks.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
I cannot say anything that you said is wrong. And thank you very much for watching. I’m afraid the statement that you made about leave them alone, will not end up happening though. You know there’s gonna be somebody out there that has a stick where a stick should never be And that’s where the problem starts.
@markstevens4264 3 ай бұрын
Almost EVERYTHING he said IS wrong. First, any idiot wearing any earbuds while riding is a menace to himself and others. Secondly, it is not true that "older people" are the ones mainly riding E-bikes. I just returned from the 109-mile Mickelson Trail in South Dakota. Every single E-bike (and I saw a lot of them) was ridden by a person well under 30. Healthy males, many riding side-by-side who just want to go fast and don't give a damn about us traditional riders. And almost everyone was riding an unlocked Class 1 or 2 E-bike that was going well past 30mph. If EVERY E-bike was banned tomorrow, I wouldn't lose a second of sleep. And, again, if you condone wearing earbuds while riding, you don't know what you are talking about. That's how people get hurt.@@southernebiking
@nobleharbor265 3 ай бұрын
@@markstevens4264Funny thing is, they said the same thing about those new fangled motor-cars ( you’ll scare the horses) And the time horseless carriages arrived at an intersection, at the same time, Or, Got caught a whooping and a-riding, back and forth over the carriage roads, banjos in arm, making a racket that could be heard in the next county. What happened? Traffic lights, Traffic laws, Stop Signs, And the Police & Sheriffs to enforce them. -- Now think if what you said was made law back then… We’d all be riding horses, and the streets would be paved with horse-pucky. 😅😮😅😮😅 😂😉😎
@kenmcclow8963 3 ай бұрын
@@markstevens4264a class 1 e-bike is limited to 20mph without a throttle. Class 2 is 20mph with a throttle. Class 3 is limited to 28 mph without a throttle. Anything else is undefined. Also the limit for motors on bicycles is 750 watts in the US, 500 watts in Canada and 250 watts in Europe. Europe also doesn’t allow throttles. Anything over 750 watts is either a Moped, or a Motorcycle in the US. I only rode on the Mickleson trail once so far and saw one other bicycle, but I thought they had some sort of enforcement since you have to pay to ride on it. On my local trail there is a speed limit of 15 mph, but there is rarely any law enforcement on the trail and unassisted road bikes routinely ride faster, but I’ve only seen motorcycles on the trail twice. Once electric and once gas. Neither group were going over 20mph, but they still shouldn’t have been there
@markstevens4264 3 ай бұрын
Yes, I think it was $15 for a yearly pass, or $5 per day. They CLAIM to have trail stewards on the Mickelson, but I was on the trail 3 days from M-W and I never saw a single one in the 218 total miles I rode. Maybe they focus on weekends, IDK. In addition to the unlocked E-bikes, I saw a moped on the trail just south of Deadwood. I told the guy I thought mopeds weren't allowed (actually I knew that), but he said the Deadwood police department was okay with that. I don't think that was true, but that's what he said. I spoke to several of the E-bikers I met on the trail and I was told that it is easy to override the Class 1 and Class 2 limits on E-bikes and 3 of them admitted that's how they achieve faster than 20mph. It's frustrating, but without trail stewards there isn't much you can do about it. I only planned to ride the Mickelson once, so I won't be going back anyway. Problem is the problem is going to a lot of other trails. Makes it hard for traditional riders to stay safe. Oh well...@@kenmcclow8963
@Aspire2Cycle 3 ай бұрын
Not baned in Iowa and no way they could ever enforce the ban. Not even sure how any community or state could push a ban through so fast.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
This was done by the mayor. Most communities, he does have the power to Anak what they call an emergency ordinance. It is typically limited to 60 days and then that 60 days they try and make something more permanent. I understand everybody is saying it cannot be enforced. But it actually can. I will go back to 1988 when they ban the sale of all three wheelers in United States. Guess what, it was enforced. Thank you much for watching. Best advice I could give would be to tell your elected officials how you feel about this.
@itmaslanka 3 ай бұрын
How about you have to be 17 years old and be a class 1 not over 22 miles per hour. Ocean City doesn’t even allow alcohol sales in their city ! But keeping e bikes off a crowded boardwalk even though bike are only allowed 6-10 am is still a good idea !
@autojohn-pu1vf 3 ай бұрын
@@southernebiking I live where they make up laws and call them 'city ordenaces'.. When my licence was revoked I got a DWR and thrown in jail going to work on 49cc scooter 'motorized bicycle' in Independence Mo..... No beef about the clasification, or cc's or brake hp of scooter but in order to ride one on street you must have valid license. So now I go everywhere ebikes (got 4) and worry about what these cops will do, I got my DL back but the cops around here still hate me and RARELY return impounded items
@johnwebsterification 2 ай бұрын
If they ban ebikes I'll just pay the tickets. Still cheaper than a new car, it's cheaper than insurance... Hell it's cheaper than gas!
@lordx8844 3 күн бұрын
Fun fact there is a lot more car crashes and yet no extreme laws involving banning them
@southernebiking 3 күн бұрын
Thank you one hundred percent correct
@themouas Ай бұрын
What map app do you use on your phone?
@southernebiking Ай бұрын
I am using komoot. I’ve been extremely satisfied with it after I helped them fix a couple of bugs. Ride with GPS is another good one. But the commute will cost you $30 one time, the Ride with GPS is $60 per year. Thanks for watching. We are about to do a couple of more videos on our navigation process. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.
@themouas Ай бұрын
@@southernebiking thanks
@joyfultrails 3 ай бұрын
My city actually promotes E biking. They have these banks of rentable E bikes all over town. So they’re making money off of it. You know what they say - follow the money. But there’s also this environmentalism/sustainability mindset that permeates everything where live… they view cycling as a way to get more people out of cars… 🤷♂️
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching Scott. The bad rap is coming from these mics getting faster and faster. Most cities will not promote this if they’ve got kids out, riding down the road on bikes that are capable of 40 or 50 mph. My big issue is that when they call for a band it is for all E bikes.
@Mark-qv4bn 3 ай бұрын
The first year I bought an ebike, it kept 700 miles off my truck. My county in Northern Arizona, considers all ebikes bicycles. It'll never happen in my small town.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
@@Doc.Holiday I agree that is a big issue. But because we know not, everyone is going to take on responsibility. Another issue is that the city leaders do not understand the difference in some of these bikes. Some of them are basically bicycle with an existing motor. Some of them are also basically an electric motorcycle with pedals. I really have no problem with any of them. But I will say if the politicians knew there were a difference between them, a large chunk of E bikers would be left alone when these rules come down. I happen to ride what is more of a bicycle. I would be more than happy to fight for everyone’s rights to ride an electric motorcycle if I did not have to fight for myself.
@thomas5495 3 ай бұрын
@@Doc.Holiday Absolutely agree. Common sense is so un common these days it should be considered a super power. Where's a persons self control these days. No accountability for ones own actions is why where in this situation now.
@carolmaplesden916 3 ай бұрын
@@Mark-qv4bn I'm here in Chandler and I ride my ebike in the bike lane I mostly feel safe but I do get hurrased
@EbikeReviews 3 ай бұрын
Very good video. I was thinking about addressing this subject myself. Its a terrible tragedy, but a knee jerk reaction to a problem that could have been prevented with some common sense. Current laws are not enforced, it was dark where they collided, the kid was wearing a helmet the lady was not. My question is, were headlights used? What speeds were involved, what laws are in place that were not enforced already?
@EBikes420 3 ай бұрын
I agree 100%, there are way too many questions that needs to be answered before passing such a law on banning e-bikes. My e-bike is my main source of transportation, I don't drive and the buses get tonnes of cancellations everyday so they are not reliable. I would be screwed big time, because walking hurts my back.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
It is certainly a knee-jerk reaction, Richard. But I think what concerns me more is the fact that they continuously lump all these ebikes together. We need to let these politicians understand that there is a difference. As these bikes are getting faster and faster, there’s gonna come a point where their knee-jerk reaction stays. my goal is to make sure that it does not catch the rest of us. Thanks for watching.
@manoz6194 3 ай бұрын
@@EBikes420 My ebike is my source of income since I use it to do deliveries. If I didn't have an ebike, I would be making less than minimum wage!
@edrohan3271 3 ай бұрын
Pedal assist E-bikes are ok for general use. However, throttle controlled E-bikes should be classified as a motor vehicle. Throttle control bikes should not be allowed on hike, and bike trails nor sidewalks. The person operating this type of bike should be licensed and insured.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
I cannot say I disagree. My main purpose for this video, though. Seems that most people that are city leaders or politicians think all these E bikes are the exact same. I believe the ones that are peddled should be left alone and I do not believe they are going to be. And you are exactly right, there are a lot of bikes out there that may have petals on them, but they were never meant to be used. Thanks for watching.
@carpediemarts705 3 ай бұрын
In my town, no bikes are legal on the sidewalk and I have been threatened with a ticket for riding at walking speed through empty downtown areas. But any bike has both the rights and responsibilities of the road and occasionally Us interstates highways. If a pedal bike is legal on the street, they shouldn't be able to ban sn ebike. They can' certainly give speeding tickets and other traffic citations.
@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188 3 ай бұрын
@@carpediemarts705 In my home Denmark, no bikes are allowed on sidewalks, as those are intended for people walking! But most Danish major towns also have passes for bikes (and small mopeds, to a speed of 30km) in both sides of the road, as those rides much faster than people walking. Finn. Denmark
@Mikle.Bikle18 3 ай бұрын
This thinking makes no sense. It’s like limiting not kicking your horse to signal to move quicker.
@sidoniasknight 3 ай бұрын
The panel assist on e bikes make the bikes go faster not slower the throttle makes the bikes go slower I know it don't make sense but that's how they do e bikes for some reason. I have had an ebike and tried many others and everyone of they was like that.
@timothykeith1367 19 күн бұрын
E-bikes have the risks of a small motorcycle. Many who would never ride a motorcycle are making dangerous mistakes on e-ɓikes - especially older people who haven't ridden a bicycle for years. The issues is the infrastructure for all bicycles is poor.
@ivanleelivingston4902 3 ай бұрын
They should ban cars from the mall shopping centre.My wife and i crawl like a snail for pedestrians while people race around.
@exmotech 3 ай бұрын
I was a victim of ebike bans in Southern California. A few years ago I built myself en ebike and rode it without problems for a long time. Getting my kid to school in the back, commuting to work 10 miles, returning to pick up my son, buy some groceries etc. I could spend weeks without needing to start my car. The same my other son, who was 13-14 at that time. I bought him a high power and high range ebike and he used it as a means of transport. He could make as much as 40-60 miles per day visiting friends, going to the skatepark, going to adjacent towns to hang out on the pier or have ice cream etc. He made around 8000 miles in one year and made a lot of friends with whom he was able to explore the area. This was our perfect time: no gasoline, no traffic jams, no noise etc. But then, suddenly, cops started enforcing ebike laws and instead of giving warnings or even some low fines ($60 or so) they started impounding the ebikes immediately. You needed to pay around $300 to get your ebike back. Kids were in despair because their daily routine, their friendships got cut abruptly. Many parents, including me, decided to factor in the cost of impound into the ebike usage, assuming no more than one impound every 2 months. So guess what... They raised the price to around $1500. So the kids started driving cars and the fun was gone.
@zztop7000 3 ай бұрын
What about regular bike? Cops also going to STOP you? This is BS no more freedom for us.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
I hear ya. Back in the early 80s I was very heavy into off-road motorcycle racing. This is when the three wheelers started to become popular. In 1988 they banned the sale of all three wheeler’s throughout the United States. The best advice I can give you is make sure That your politicians get to hear you. Remember, they are our servants not our masters. But if we do not communicate with them, it becomes partially our fault. Thank you much for watching.
@GruesomePizza1992 3 ай бұрын
Police just extortion for revenue. Worried about e-bikes instead of the psychos running the govt.
@johnrob3215 3 ай бұрын
What "enforcing ebike laws" are you referring to? What law did you violate to get your bike impounded?
@exmotech 3 ай бұрын
@@johnrob3215 The thing is that in the US ebikes are classified by speed, power and presence of pedals. The limits are so low that they basically convert a legal bike into a toy instead of something that might soon replace a car in warmer climates and short distances. If I were to be legal, my bike would be unusable for the most important thing which is replacing a car. So my bike is bigger, has really a lot of batteries, thick tires etc. I have around 100 miles of range. So I used it for around 3 years to go with my wife to the beach, take my son to school, go shopping etc. I used it not apart from a car but INSTEAD and this is probably a pain in the ass for the government (no registration tax, no fuel tax etc.). So one day I got stopped as I was dropping off my son to school and got a citation for operating a motorcycle because the officer assumed it is one. He immediately told me that if he assumed it's a motorcycle then I would be cited for not having a motorcycle license, cited for not having motorcycle insurance. A total of $1200. I am glad the judge thought that these assumptions are ridiculous and cancelled everything but you see the trend. The good things about ebikes is that they are quiet, don't release fumes and you can ride along the beach and people don't mind, you can go right down to the beach and people don't mind etc. But cops do mind. An alternative to a car is a big no-no because there's no money for the state.
@dennishaughton4554 14 күн бұрын
I use to cycle with a group when I lived in Portland, OR. A few of the guys I cycled with, were 70s-80s. These guys were no longer strong enough to ride a standard bike. These guys have been riding all their lives. Owning e-bike gave them the opportunity to cycle in their last stages of life. Why would u take that away fr these guys? I don’t own an e-bike. But I do own & operate an electric scooter.
@DeignsByPrincess 2 ай бұрын
Very informative video and a beautiful trail. Thank you 😊
@southernebiking 2 ай бұрын
Thank you very much and thank you for watching. This is in the central North Carolina area. There are some really great places to ride here. Enjoy your day.
@DJaquithFL 2 ай бұрын
More asinine laws! So if that kid hit the 60-year-old on a regular bike, would they be banning regular bikes? I remember when I was his age I could pedal 30 mph and there was no such thing as an e-bike.
@southernebiking 2 ай бұрын
Exactly correct. Thank you very much for watching. This is just a knee-jerk Reaction from a bunch of Old folks that don't like kids anymore. If it was not this, it would be something else. But they saw this as an opportunity. By the way, they just extended the ban for another 60 days this week. I wish I lived closer because I would ride my bike down the road. And let Em ticket me and then take it. To court and have this whole ordinance thrown out
@LouDeVere 2 ай бұрын
Exactly. I find all road bikes - just ordinary push bikes - are faster than me on my momentum ebike limited to 25km/Hr. I guess they're aiming more at the non-pedal ebikes which can be derestricted to travel above the mandated speed.
@rickbarber8399 27 күн бұрын
I am glad you are doing your best to bring attention to this important matter. The one aspect that I did not see addressed was the fact that many of these types of accidents could have been avoided if municipalities would have invested in the proper infrastructure to enable safer riding. How many of us end up riding on the sidewalks because there are no bike lanes on the road? How many accidents have occurred where distracted drivers hit bicyclist on busy streets where there is no other way to ride a bike. I am seeing municipalities replacing their narrow sidewalks with multi-purpose paths which are wide enough to support bicyclist and pedestrians., but this takes money and often times other needs win out. So, it will take decades to get the proper infrastructure in place. Many European countries are way ahead of us on the infrastructure they provide. I recently visited Vancouver and was amazed at the fact that they have dedicated and entire car lane in the most congested area of the city to allow for bicycles & ebikes to travel in. It has reduced downtown traffic by 50% and the significantly improved their air quality. It was very controversial at first, but now everyone loves it. I think as more and more people adopt e-bikes government will have to take notice. It would probably be a good idea to get all government officials to ride an e-bike for a couple of weeks and then make their decisions.
@southernebiking 27 күн бұрын
Thank you for watching Rick. I agree with you 100%. We do need better infrastructure. I cycled in Washington DC and was quite impressed as it is easier to get around on an E bike than it is in a car. This is the reason that I referenced people for bikes. They seem to be advocating for this in a lot of cities. Honestly, it’s just beyond what I can do on my own. Again thanks for watching.
@Jhubble515 3 ай бұрын
Is that the greenway in Nashville you are riding on? It looks a lot like the ones I ride in Nashville
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
This is the Neuse river trail in and around Raleigh North Carolina. Thanks for watching.
@BenStenson 3 ай бұрын
This is why I do not like kids on grown-up stuff we were doing just fine until kids started to use them
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
A lot of times it’s more than just the kids. I’ve met quite a few children that are well over 18. Thanks much for watching Ben. We do appreciate it.
@phildivalerio 2 ай бұрын
Sounds to me like a misunderstanding of what e-bikes are. They assist pedaling, they don't replace it. You have to pedal an e-bike to get it going, and keep pedaling. The "e" in e-bikes just means it's a little easier. Here in Norway, at least, there is a 25 kmp maximum assist - after that the assist stops. Bikes and scooters that move entirely on their own using electric power are different. I can understand wanting to ban them from paths where typically people walk and bike in places where there are users who bike way too fast and don't show consideration for pedestrians. But e-bikes (the e-assist kind) should be allowed in all places where regular bikes are allowed. There are no real grounds for making a distinction.
@southernebiking 2 ай бұрын
You got it and thanks for watching.
@LouDeVere 2 ай бұрын
Agreed. Perfect sense to me.
@VictorMiranda-gh7mn 3 ай бұрын
Here in the Bronx they have bicycle lines made almost everywhere.for more than a century bicycle are on the street. Is impossible to believe the city actually painted just for regular bikes
@Billy-cs4cc 3 ай бұрын
I don't want to ghost pedal. Pedaling keeps me moving @71, but i definitely prefer a little assistance or, when necessary, some throttle whether it be thumb or twist.
@mikerochester 3 ай бұрын
My opinion would be e-bikes should at least be able to keep up with a fast acoustic pedaling bikes 28 mph. I think the throttle only is a very safe feature when pulling away from red lights or stop signs it keeps you focused on the road instead of trying to get your balance to pedal. Thanks for sharing. :)
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching Mike. Honestly, I’m trying to keep my opinion out of this as far as how fast it should go, power, etc.. I believe because they have already established a class one, class two, and class three. This would be the most logical place to create a separation between defined E-bicycles and E-cycles. I just think that would be a fight possible to win. I also think we need to make sure our politicians are aware of the huge differences from one end of the spectrum to the other of ebikes. It is pretty hard to blame them If all they here is E bikes are the problem and have no knowledge that there are different ebikes. Thanks for watching and make sure your voice is heard.
@bretwaldow5084 3 ай бұрын
In Australia (varies slightly by state) the throttle must cut out above 6km/hr (walking speed). It does the job of getting started and then pedaling is required.
@Lukearthwalker 3 ай бұрын
@@bretwaldow5084 Oh, I like that, makes a lot of sense!
@malanalan1 3 ай бұрын
Acustic bike? WTF? You mean you yell at it and it rides?
@livenhfree 3 ай бұрын
Many people ride their bicycles safely through town and city streets (I'm one of them). And we largely obey traffic laws. If we see other bicyclists behaving badly, we call them out, because they give all of us a bad name.
@gmctech 2 ай бұрын
Seriously...... Governments really need to phoque off and let us fend for ourselves and be responsible for our own actions. I'd be willing to bet the woman's own negligence in failing to wear a helmet was a major contributing factor to her injuries causing death. Yes the ebike rider could be wholely at fault for the crash ultimately causing her death but I'd bet dollars to donuts a helmet would have saved her life. These knee-jerk responses to any incident is just a response to do something, anything to say "we responded, look what we did to make you safer."
@southernebiking 2 ай бұрын
I would agree. Not only that, but when someone pointed out the fact in their meeting that she was not wearing a helmet. They were booed and escorted out by the police department. They used the excuse that her time was used up, but she was consistently interrupted during her time, and they allowed others to speak of how great this woman was how bad ebikes are plenty of time. Thanks for watching.
@lyndavonkanel8603 3 ай бұрын
I want to buy a kit fot my regular bike to help me get up the hills. What would its classification be?
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
It would depend on, which kit you purchase. A bafang bbso2 can be configured to a class one or class two or class three. Some other kits are class one only. Sam do not fall under any category as they are over 750 watts. The bafang BBSHD falls under the category of not being in a class. I use the BBS02 on my custom built. I also have one with an M 600 which is is the same as the BBS02 just made for specialized frames. Thanks for watching and good luck with your build. If you have any questions on it, I would certainly be willing to help you find the correct answers. My email is in the description.
@lyndavonkanel8603 3 ай бұрын
@@southernebiking Thank you for kind response, so quickly given, too! I had no idea there were classes of E bikes. EEEKS! choosing a kit and assembling it will be new territory for me, so I will appreciate any help I can get. We have a lot of hills here in N. Georgia, so one way or another, I will do this. God bless!
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
@@lyndavonkanel8603 if you have a lot of hills in your area, I would certainly encourage a Middrive kit. You can look on Amazon for the bafang. If you have basic mechanic skills and a decent amount of tools, you can do this yourself. If you do not feel confident doing it, you can probably find someone in Georgia that would do it for you. the most difficult part is when you’re putting things together and you need a spacer or some silly washer and you have to wait to get it. So it does help you with your patience. Lol but there are plenty of videos on KZfaq of how to install a bafang Middrive. I did not do one because I was not doing the videos when I had that done. Good luck with it.
@livenhfree 3 ай бұрын
You ask THE question. How should eBikes be classified?
@lyndavonkanel8603 3 ай бұрын
@@livenhfree Yes, thanks!
@darinsmith2458 3 ай бұрын
Great video and lots of great comments.. I am looking into getting an ebike and they are changing so fast.. It would be nice if all the batteries were interchangeable.. I think there should be some sort of standardization with some of the stuff.. I know good components cost $$$ but having nice breaks is a good thing too.. There are other components that are debatable too... Like mirrors or horn/bells.. I know some ebikes even have turn signals.. Are there going to be different regulations on the bike path or the bike trail or the bike lane or even the road.. There are just so many variables.. Also Boulder is an interesting place.. I am in Denver and Boulder has so many regulations that prevent people from being able to live there.. Just do some research on the Marshall Fire..
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
Thank you Darin and thank you for watching. It is a changing world with e-bikes. I agree about the batteries. I did a video a while back about motors even being interchanged. That competition keeps the prices down when a company does not have a monopoly on you.
@darinsmith2458 3 ай бұрын
@@southernebiking Yeah I guess..
@Adventuresonebikes 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing. This is more than a rush to judgement of ebikers, which isn't new. Ebikers appear to always be guilty. Unfortunately, anything on 2 wheels, even if they have a gas engine, are considered ebikes by some people. (not suggesting the 12 year old wasn't on an ebike) The fact that a 12 year old was on the bike seems more relevant than the fact that it was an ebike. Not sure why they allow kids under the age to be able to hold a drivers license to have access to an ebike. The news article I just read on this accident stated the community is "fed up" with kids ignoring the rules of the road. The key word in the article was "kids" and "ignoring the rules" -- not what they are riding. I can count on both my and my husbands hands how many times someone on a non-ebike almost crashed into us going faster than they should, or not paying attention -- and this is on rail trails! Agree that we need to start letting our representatives know that ebikes are NOT the issue -- it's the riders who need to be policed.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
You are exactly right. And thanks for watching. Honestly, the problem is the E bikes are the new kid on the block. So they are the easiest to go after. I also want people to make their elected officials aware that there is a huge difference between an electrical assist and bicycle like many of us, ride, and some of these other E bikes that are capable of up to 70 miles an hour. I wanna make sure when they bring down The hammer, it does not come on our head as well. I would say, in addition to the fact that it is not the Ebike, but the people handling it, but there is a big difference in a lot of these E bikes.
@donvee2000 3 ай бұрын
Exactly... Cause money grabbing bans are easier than just having the cops do their jobs and enforce laws.
@tarquinmidwinter2056 3 ай бұрын
Greetings from the Netherlands. Over half of the bikes sold here are now e-bikes. There has been an increase of fatal accidents amongst cyclists here recently (see the latest video by BicycleDutch), but most of these involved cyclists being hit by motor vehicles, so the answer seems to be more infrastructure that separates cyclists from drivers. A lot of the fatalities involved e-bikes, and a lot of older people ride e-bikes, so there has been some discussion about how to increase safety, but a ban on e-bikes would be unthinkable, and I can't see helmets ever becoming compulsory either. Most Dutch adults have personal liability insurance, but this isn't particularly related to cycling. I pay about $5 a month for mine, so it isn't prohibitively expensive. And of course a lot of people insure their e-bikes against theft and damage anyway. The government and local municipalities are always looking for ways to increase cycling and reduce motor traffic, so a ban on e-bikes (or making helmets compulsory) would really go against this. They also recognise that the benefits of cycling, not just for the health of individuals but also for the economy and the environment, far outweigh the problems caused by accidents. That's a lovely cycle path you're on, btw. (One last slightly unrelated thing. As a European I find it crazy that any American politician should want to ban e-bikes from a place that is awash with guns, ownership of which is fairly unrestricted and which are actually designed to kill people. Maybe you need a constitutional amendment to say that the right of Americans to ride e-bikes 'shall not be infringed'.)
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
Thank you much. Very well thought out comment. We are definitely blessed with our bike trails here in North Carolina. Thanks much for watching. Enjoy your day.
@normanmorris1762 2 ай бұрын
What is the speed on the trail ?
@EMarSounds 19 күн бұрын
The only reason regulations will change here is because of people on stand-on scooters that don't have a care in their little minds for other pedestrians, as they zip down footpaths at high speed. There should be a group of people in every city that go after people on e-scooters that ride too fast and without even thinking of others around them, the're ruining it for everyone else that ride safely. My bike does around 35mph but I think I'm pretty safe as I stick to bike lanes and usually ride it off-road if I can, but it's cheaper than owning and fueling a car which is great for me.
@southernebiking 19 күн бұрын
This is why they need to be going after the people not the product. They only do that because it’s easier. We have to remember to hold our public servants accountable and make them actually do a job instead of sit around and taking the easy route. Thanks for watching.
@gregwilson5393 3 ай бұрын
Their trying to force everyone into electric cars. But they have a problem with Ebikes?
@gatesurfer 2 ай бұрын
You have to be 16 and have a license to drive a car of any kind. And you can’t drive a car on park trails like the one in this video.
@firehunter4187 2 ай бұрын
About the throttle. They actually make a bike safer. Because you don't have a delay from so to start. That little jolt you get is actually a control risk. Many in the UK wish they could have throttle at stop lights and crossings because it allows them a more controlled start.
@southernebiking 2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for watching. I tend to agree with you that the throttle’s are not a bad thing. I don’t use one on a light bike. But I would never begrudge someone using theirs at all. I will say it gives people that are against ebikes a little bit of ammunition. other than that, there’s nothing negative about having one. Enjoy your day.
@firehunter4187 2 ай бұрын
@vmobile890 starting is the most dangerous time for any cyclist. Especially in cities, intersections. Getting up to speed is a thing. Main reason such a thing as an idaho stop exists.
@stevenbolin7688 3 ай бұрын
Last October twice in a hour I was almost hit in a small Wv town, something needs to be done for us. When we follow the process and vehicle drivers don't, that is a very serious problem.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
I agree. Go to these town meetings and let your voice be heard about that. My flight is so that when regulations come down on ebikes, they do not come down on all E bikes.
@RitchieCaron 3 ай бұрын
It's real easy for non riders to make decisions that affect us all. Ultimately we need to get into local politics and represent at city council and try to prevent these arbitrary rulings as more people get into the sport.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
You are 100% correct. This needs to be done all over and is exactly what I’m trying to say. Thank you thank you.
@petesis7934 3 ай бұрын
It is also real easy for non riders to get out amongst regular riders with their electric scooter bikes. Not a good thing.
@neilbradley5011 3 ай бұрын
Here in the UK EAPC ,Electric Assisted Pedal Cycles ,for use on public roads and cycle paths, are limited to 15 mph top speed with the motor. If you want to go faster you have to pedal harder.Any bike with a motor larger than 250w is classed as an electric motorcycle or moped and has to be insured, rode with a licence,have indicators and be registered as a moped/mororcycle.Surron type e-bikes are illegal as they are made for offroad use and only allowed on private land.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and thank you for chiming in from the UK Neil. If things keep going the way they are that is exactly what we are going to be facing here as well. I would like to see it, a class 2 is the same as a bicycle. That would be up to 20 mph. That is the reason I am telling people to get out there and make their voices heard before tighter restrictions. Come down on all of us. Again, thanks for watching.
@MishaDaBear 3 ай бұрын
Out trail speed limit is 15 km/h last summer on on a sting the cops ticketed Running room runners with breaking the speed limit at 5km/h over $440 and 3 demerit points, LOL! Love it, bet that will never occur again!
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
@@MishaDaBear 🤣🤣
@grahamb7947 Ай бұрын
Liability insurance should be required regardless. Other countries in central Europe, you have home insurance, liability for bikes is included within it, to the tune of more than a million dollars. And that home insurance costs a mere 300 dollars per year. There's always a risk you could be involved in an accident, be it on an acoustic, or an electric, and the worst thing is you kill someone unintentionally and aren't covered for liability... or you yourself get killed or seriously injured and can't afford to survive during recovery. Then there's theft, fire risk etc. Ebikes are expensive, and definitely should be insured!
@southernebiking Ай бұрын
I would agree they should be insured. I would disagree that it should be mandated that they are insured. The majority of the states here in the US have declared that class one class two and class three ebikes have the same rights and responsibilities as regular bicycles. That is where the problem comes in. It is becoming a majority of the E bikes out there that are really undefined. I have spoken about this over a year ago and advocated that they are called something else besides an E bike. Yet, here we sit. What can be done, and I would not disagree with it. Would be to not allow these undefined ebikes in areas that regular bikes are allowed. Thank you for watching. And thank you for a well thought out comment. While we may not completely agree, I believe we could have a productive conversation. Probably meet somewhere in the middle. Enjoy your day.
@bellyacres7846 2 ай бұрын
WOW! thank you for the commentary! I subbed today as this is an issue coming to us too soon, I live on the Other side in North Idaho - thankfully these restrictions are not here (yet) buuut we now have Calif smog devices required [ugh] calif gas that dont burn/ignite [a bad idea from the start] I have been into ebikes a little bit & have a couple class 2 designated ebikes. both have throttles which i find I seldom use, but got them if wanted. 750 watt motors as is the limit in most places in the USA [so i got those, just because] If I want more power? Ill ride a dirt bike :) its cheaper fast, climbs well & yeah itll get ya there. I ride slow as I did on dirt bikes I rode for many years. I like to see the countryside & enjoy it. not scare me,myself, Irene or the wild life or others. [nope dont tear up stuff nor throw mud on others like a child] yes I rode alone as too many have "other" ideas of whats fun. :O Ive a channel on yt & follow others like yourself that I enjoy watching. your ride style looks like what I enjoy - being a tourist - Im old school that goes all over & leaves as little trace of me as possible. sadly too many riders have "other" ideas of whats fun for them. they tend to ruin it for us that are out there to enjoy the ride and make "good" memories [yes a bit of exercise while we go. 8 to 15 mph is comfortable to ride to be safe & see whats out there. I stay off the highways as much as possible [got a car & truck to go there] (4wheeler too)
@PlayingInVestapol 3 ай бұрын
Who'd ever thought that adding an electric motor to a bicycle would ever raise such a stink. Love the information. An Ebike kept me from open heart surgery. No local government Officer speaks up for the benefits of Ebiking. BTW, what trail is this? It Looks great. Lord willing I plan on biking trails around North and South Carolina this summer.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
I’m right there with you. And I think there’s an awful lot of people there with you as well that don’t ride these things around like little motorcycles and are getting exercise and great benefits. The trail we are on is called the Neuse river trail near Raleigh, North Carolina. North Carolina does do a really good job on it bikeways. The Raleigh area, which is not far from us has approximately 200 miles of cycling trails. Charlotte is very similar. Winston Salem as a good amount of trails as well. South Carolina does have a pretty good Nettwerk of rail trails. Thanks much for watching. And good luck with your health.
@SurRonnie 3 ай бұрын
It's all about the money 💰. They wanna be in out pockets and in our lives when and where they don't need to be.. Where's the freedom???????😢😢😢
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
I think more than money this is about somebody who had a grudge against the e-bikes. Don't know if it was because of youngsters running around being unlawful or something else. But it was someone who has some power in this community. Notice I am not saying he has earned power. Some folks know just which button to push to get what they want done regardless of what it does to others. Our job is to know how to disable that button. Thanks for watching.
@carlu-dovica 3 ай бұрын
I would love to have a trail available like the one shown in your video. Unfortunately, I live in an area where I will never see anything close to that ever happening. It's the biking groups that show the most influence in achieving such conveniences and setting the rules.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
We are definitely blessed here in North Carolina so far with a biking infrastructure. I have mentioned in some other videos that cycling groups do have quite a lot of influence and lobbying groups. Hopefully some lobbying groups will start appearing for ebikes as well. I am not finished investigating the one that I did find. But I will let everyone know what I find out once I have completed locking them over. Thanks for watching.
@davebennett4087 3 ай бұрын
Check out rails to trails. There are trails in every state. Most of them are awesome.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
@@davebennett4087 there are some great rail trails out there. We ride them quite often. Thanks for watching.
@pathart2080 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video sir. Just subscribed or I might otherwise know your name. I live near Greensboro. I am an avid road and mountain bike cyclist. I love to ride roads, gravel roads, trails greenways and single-track. Not a fan of ebikes, "but" for some of the reasons you described, I get their purpose and place. I even purchased one (class 1) for my wife because she so much wished to go my pace on trails and greenways. Which now that she is happy I am too. ;-) As a very long time cyclist my thought resonate with the throttle idea. I would advocate that a 20 plus mph has no place on a trail or greenway with pedestrians, pets and children. I really don't get the whole "I need an ebike" to enjoy the tails or greenways. Why riding ones own pace on trials isn't good enuf is beyond me. Now, on roads (I also ride my non-powered road bike there) I think all restrictions for e-motorcycles should be off up to 35mph. (perhaps some age restriction) Moped style tag, no insurance required, power limit removed and speed limits observed. Bikes or e-motorcycles which exceed 35 should be viewed as a normal motorcycle with regs to match. Thanks for the vid and the helpful info. Stay on your elected reps, all!
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for watching and thank you for the subscription Pat. We do appreciate it. My view on this is that class one and class two ebikes should be left. Exactly as regular bikes. Relatively simple to get up to 20 on a regular bike. We do observe speed limit on bike paths. I like the idea of using what is already been established as the classes because it would be less of a boondoggle in the political world. But I certainly believe that city leaders and politicians need to be made aware that there is a wide spectrum of E bikes out there. You got all the way from the class one up to these suron types that are capable of 50 or better. I think much of the problem as many politicians wanna throw blanket over every single one of them. That’s my main goal is to educate them so that when they close loopholes, because of the very fast ones, they do not close them around the neck of people that are just on class one and class to ebikes. Have a great day and welcome to the channel.
@ziploc2000 3 ай бұрын
If she'd been hit by a car, would they be calling for a ban on cars? Insane knee-jerk reaction to propose a blanket eBike ban. I've watched the news report, minimal facts given, but the fact the kid had cuts and scratches while she died from her injuries suggests she wasn't wearing a helmet. No report on who had lights, reflective clothing, what speed they were doing etc. and presumably one of them was on the wrong part of the road. In our state kids under 16 aren't legally allowed to ride eBikes. Maybe if Florida had such a law (they do) and this city enforced it (clearly they don't) this wouldn't have happened.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
I agree, definitely a knee-jerk reaction. Certainly not a good fix for anything. But sometimes when the correct knee jerks, it gain some traction. That is my concern. Thanks so much for watching.
@amandawong7005 3 ай бұрын
What trail are you riding. I need to put it on my list!
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
This is the Neuse river trail near Raleigh, North Carolina. We left out from horseshoe Bend preserve. Thanks for watching Amanda.
@Shawps 15 күн бұрын
The e-bike industry has become perverted, Kids are stopping traffic in big groups, wheelie riding around and through pedestrians, and riding against traffic, not to mention riding on sidewalks at high speed. There are no real rules. I’m an e-bike (Type 2) rider and ride it to work daily.I also ride an 1800cc Touring motorcycle. I understand the rules of the road. Back in the late 70’s and early 80’s Mo-PEDS were popular but you had to have a license to do 15mph on them. I was passed by what I called a Super E-bike which had to be doing more than 50mph on Broadway (Major street), downtown San Diego. No helmet, or safety equipment at all and ignoring all traffic lights. These people will be ushering new laws and regulations because currently the ones in place are vague and not really enforced here. Kids are dying on these because the speeds are comparable to motorcycles and cars with no license or required vehicle equipment lights,helmets,etc… The genie is out of the bottle now and best believe “Big Brother” is going to want to get paid his taxes.
@southernebiking 15 күн бұрын
Thank you for watching. I would agree. The regulations are on the way. But the new regulations need to be applied to the ebikes that are not classified. And of course, banning is not a solution at all but that is what this town has done. Again, thanks for watching.
@Shawps 15 күн бұрын
@@southernebiking Politians don’t care. They won’t acknowledge one type over another. Somebody’s always lobbying behind the scenes. Your video is very informative and appreciated. Keep up the great work.🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
@4shac 3 ай бұрын
I live in Rio grande valley (south Texas). One day I am riding my bike and on the side of trail they were holding baseball practice. Their coach yelled I am calling the cops and he continued yelling I didn't even think he was yelling at me but he continued yelling. When I got home I thought omg I think he was telling me. He sounded like a disgruntled guy. There is a sign that says no motor vehicles allowed and cops have always seen me riding there. Being a female I kind of felt scared and had I known he was yelling at me I would of called the cops myself. New subscriber today. Thank you for all the information.
@MeMe-cd1wy Ай бұрын
Throttles have nothing to do with safety. On a Class 2 ebike, the throttle can push the bike to 20 mph and no more. On an acoustic bike, I peddle to 25mph easily. And most of the time I go 20mph. Problem is that the police are not even enforcing hemets for kids. They don’t enforce laws that keep kids from riding double and even triple. They don’t enforce the laws that keep people from riding in the wrong direction. They don’t enforce the age limits on underage riding. A 10 year old should not be on an e-bike. So of course the answer is to ban all ebikes instead of enforcing the laws they do have.
@southernebiking Ай бұрын
Thanks for watching. We have seen this happen before in other areas. Nobody’s following the law so let’s put out another one and surely they will follow this one. Seems to be the mentality that comes out of our politicians anymore. Most, if they ever knew, have long forgotten that they work for we the people. They are supposed to be our servants, not our masters. By the same token, most people have forgotten that they need to let their politicians know what we expect from them. How can a servant serve when no one is telling them what they need to do. I would like to say because of all this they just do the best they can. But I think more accurate would be because of this. They do what’s best for themselves. Again thanks for watching. Enjoy your day.
@aaronphillips1746 Ай бұрын
Wait, so you’re in NC.. I love riding EBikes. If I have an Aventon pacer 500.3, it’s a class 2 that CAN become a class 3, as long as I leave it in the class 2 setting (500 W motor), where can we legally ride these things?
@southernebiking Ай бұрын
Class, one class 2 and class. Three ebikes are allowed to go anywhere that regular bikes are allowed to go in the state of north carolina. They do, however, give power to local municipalities to restrict them. E bikes are allowed in state parks wherever bicycles go as well. National parks are a different story on bike trails. Thanks much for watching. Maybe we will run across each other one day
@aaronphillips1746 Ай бұрын
@@southernebiking I hope so man! Mine does have a throttle, but I only use it to take off. However, I have it set to 20 MAX. At the end of the day, where me and a couple of guys ride. As long as you respect others, you know, don’t be a jerk, nobody really cares.
@southernebiking Ай бұрын
@@aaronphillips1746 and this is exactly the way it should be. When somebody is being a jerk, take care of the jerk not everybody. Ride safe.
@jackcurtis5784 3 ай бұрын
Thank You for a Great Video. You are so right, we have to contact our local politicians (I have another word for them), to get these bikes recognized. Looking at your comments, I SO agree with Altema22 comment. Anyway, where is that trail in the video? I would love to ride it.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the support Jack. Do you know a very legitimate word for our politicians as public servant. Many times they forget that. The trail in the video is the Neuse river trail near Raleigh, North Carolina. The general Raleigh area has a net work of probably 200 miles or more of cycle paths. Thanks much for watching. Enjoy the rest of your evening. We are off to another great trail tomorrow.
@bachphan7621 3 ай бұрын
what if you have a class 3 bike but you limit the speed of the bike to 20mph (class 2)?
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
I am all for the three classes that we have being viewed as simply bicycles. My whole purpose is to motivate people to let politicians know there is a huge difference from one end of the spectrum to the other with e-bikes. My reason for using class 1 2 and 3 is because they have already been established so this should be an easier task than reestablishing something. Thanks for watching.
@viperdemonz-jenkins 3 ай бұрын
still a class 3 even if the setting is limiting speed.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
@@viperdemonz-jenkins actually no, if you can configure inside the controller to be a class two it is a class two.
@bachphan7621 3 ай бұрын
That would be great if they all use current class 1, 2 and 3 as the guidelines. But right now in Georgia ...and I may be wrong but there's a bit of regulations against class 3 in some pleaces chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/prismic-io.s3.amazonaws.com/peopleforbikes/5433d894-1ff5-4ea0-9025-27c9f901f7f3_E-Bike-Law-Handouts_GA_2022.pdf
@tokiburoak7457 3 ай бұрын
It's impossible to ban ebikes that look just like bicycles like my aventon pace 500.3. What are they gonna do? Stop and inspect every bicycle?
@user-dk3ih5ok6k 3 ай бұрын
I remember that story. The woman was not wearing a helmet. At 60 she should have had classes. Older people are fragile and slower to respond to things. Same with a 12 year old kid. Too young without classes. Is it the bikes fault..no and bikes should not be banned . what is needed is better infrastructure not bands. There is no ban on spoons and forks for making people fat right? Also the pedestrians that do not like ebikes are the ones staring at their phones,walking on bike paths,parking on and in the bike lanes. Most of us commute with out a license,are super respectful and those of us that do ride crazy ,like me only do so safely and not around people or pets.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
Well put. Thanks for watching.
@gold3084 2 ай бұрын
The problem with the bans is that people bought these items in good faith when they were legal !
@southernebiking 2 ай бұрын
You are exactly right. I wonder how well they could use grandfathered in clause. Thanks for watching.
@KD8RAP 28 күн бұрын
Mine doesn't even go to 28mph (throttle tops out at 26) but even it isn't class 1, 2 or 3.
@southernebiking 28 күн бұрын
You are correct. I will be doing a video on why this is important, and why we should try to get it changed. Thanks for watching.
@tedecker3792 3 ай бұрын
If it’s pedal assist and low wattage it’s an e-bike. If it has a throttle it’s an electric motorcycle.
@jfarlandutube 2 ай бұрын
We do a lot of walking down in Clearwater Florida on the trails that lead to the beach. People on these E bikes are going by extremely fast and sometimes we have to move off of the sidewalk onto the grass so we don’t get run over. The problem with these big bikes is they are very heavy. If you get hit by one, the chance of serious injuries extremely high. I don’t have a problem with people riding bikes. There needs to be a separate area to walk and an area to ride the bikes. Are going to have to come up with some solutions to this.
@markmoreno7295 3 ай бұрын
I ride in Sacramento on the American River Bikeway. Class I and Class II are allowed. Lots of retired folks say that if all e-bikes were banned then they would not get out and ride. We are keeping track of the statistics of e-bike vs others colliding out here on the river path. So far the numbers are low 1 per year at most. However I see lots of fat bike users exceeding the 15 mph speed limit. That happens with acoustic bikes too. The main issue with any e-bike is that they often weigh double what an acoustic bike weighs and that is a concern when tangled riders tumble over one another. We will see what happens but I am in favor of e-bikes which are speed restricted. They should not be able to go faster than a lighter acoustic bike.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
Very well thought out Mark. Thank you for the comment and thank you for watching. I have no problem if they choose to restrict the unclassified E bikes. We happen do use class one class two and class three here. If they wanted to restrict that the class one and class two, I would have no problem with it. One of the big issues in this particular case is they were very aware that there are different classes of E bikes, and some are slower. They made zero exceptions for the ban. I did watch their entire meeting and they knew very well that there is a class one E bike that is only capable of 20 mph and has no throttle at all. But a knee-jerk reaction made them ban everything. My goal is to make sure politicians and citizens are aware of these different classes and treat them in the way that they should be treated. Again, thanks for watching and have a great day.
@livenhfree 3 ай бұрын
Switch to a real bicycle. Better exercise as well. Sorry.
@informationOD Ай бұрын
My wife and I are in our 50s. We used to ride regular bikes a lot but as we got older we decided to get e-bikes so that we can go further to explore. We enjoyed the ebike a lot as we don't have to worry about going too far and not being able to make it home. We usually end up with 60 - 70% battery even if we go 50 miles away from home. We primarily use it to assist when going up really steep hills. While on the bike trail last week there was a family on their fat tire ebike that was riding really recklessly on the trail passing other bikers dangerously and going very fast. On top of that none of them were wearing helmet. When I saw that I turned to my wife and told her that these are the folks that will eventually cause ebikes to be banned on bike trail. The video mentions about going away with the trottle, to me, the trottle is what sold me on an ebike. The trail that we ride on has quite a few stop signs and quite a few of them are at the bottom of the hill where the trail meet one of the small road. The trottle is a god send in areas like these. Just like those practising the 2nd amendment, just be responsible, don't ruin it for others.
@southernebiking Ай бұрын
Thanks much for watching. I will be doing an update on this that will go on monday. I agree with everything you said, especially the last few sentences. Make no mistake. I do not want to see the throttle be taken away, But I think people against the ebikes do have a good debate with that. You had mentioned about several to come by you irresponsibly, But think of how many you have encountered out on the trail, just like yourself and your wife and myself and my wife that are being responsible. The sad truth, she is many. Don't even recognize that the responsible ones are on. E bikes and I think ebikes are the only thing that are being irresponsible. I am also going to do a video trying to address that and brainstorm some ideas, so that the general public gets a better idea that there are very responsible ebikes out there. I fear with some people. It will be like trying to convince them that guns are not bad. But maybe some will understand. Again. Thanks for watching and enjoy the rest of your weekend.
@sanchezs7614 Күн бұрын
I own a car and decided to buy a electric scooter since then I enjoy my rides more. What i noticed since then that we have a major car congestion here in California but enough bike Lanes 😢
@southernebiking Күн бұрын
Take advantage while you can. Thanks for watching.
@BaskingInObscurity 3 ай бұрын
I think a lot of the problem is that people want to walk and sunday-drive on bike paths, missing the point that they're for transportation. Bicycling options have typically been so bad the last several decades that commuting cyclists have resorted to either biking much less or braving streets meant for cars. Bike paths too often do not connect well to one another or to quiet streets that can more safely act as thoroughfares, and bike lanes on busy streets are all too often death traps for the way they're designed. My point is that there would already be many more cyclists on roads and paths if infrastructure were safer and more extensive; and as a result, people in general would have a much better sense of designating spaces for walking and slow, leisurely biking versus getting-around biking. Regular cyclists do NOT peddle only ten miles per hour where infrastructure is good; they go as fast as cars, which is also the point of throttle assist. As such, pedestrians and languid cyclists should be aware and respectful whether the paths and lanes are for faster cycling. Paths meant for both walking and biking should be better designed to separate the traffic. All that said, I don't see anything wrong with putting speed limits on paths and lanes rather than banning ebikes. There should be no argument that many of the places where people complain about the ebikes, cyclists really should NOT be going as fast, precisely because there is substantial mixed or cross traffic. At the same time, specified lanes quite often should be more seriously considered, since these same routes quite often are among the best through routes in a community. Ebikes are not the problem. I could get into a gun comparison, but I'll leave it at that. Regulate speed (how they're used), not the vehicle, except for designating some types of ebikes without pedals as motor scooters of a different shape and capability.
@southernebiking 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching. And also, thank you very much for a very well thought out and articulated comment. I cannot find any disagreement with you. The only thing I would add would be that many of these communities, when faced with the choice of taking on the responsibility of a speed limit and enforcement. Versus the option of banning what they think the problem may be. Often works in favor of what is easier for them to do. I will bring up a bit of the comparison that you started too. Look at how many of the leaders would prefer to ban all firearms, rather than addressing the people that miss use them. Same thing with the bikes. And I am afraid it will be some of the same battle. Again thanks for watching.
@jo100 3 ай бұрын
The Government Should Do Something About Millions Of Americans Who Are Homeless On The Streets Of America 🇺🇸 for real, Instead Of Banning E-Bikes for real, Because The State Of Florida Does have A High Percentage Of Homeless People On The Streets for real, My Brothers And Sisters, And My Friend.
@joebowbeer 3 ай бұрын
I agree that heavier ebikes have made trails and paths more dangerous for lighter, slower classic bikes - and sidewalks more dangerous for pedestrians, partly because of poorly parked rental ebikes.
@flashgordon3715 2 ай бұрын
My 80 year old mom loves her e-bike. Cities should be embracing personal electric vehicles and adding charging stations.
@southernebiking 2 ай бұрын
I would think so as well. They keep pushing it out, and enjoy nature, save the planet. But you better not even think about being on an E bike. Thanks for watching.
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