E239 - Joey Votto Ejected From Final Game of Reds Season by Umpire Shane Livensparger

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10 ай бұрын

HP Umpire Shane Livensparger ejected Reds 1B Joey Votto from the dugout for arguing a strike call from the top of the 1st inning against St Louis. Game 162 may well have been Votto's last game for Cincinnati, and Votto issued an apology for his ejection after returning to the clubhouse. Report: www.closecallsports.com/2023/...
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@BobbySacamano 10 ай бұрын

It would've been incredible if he got thrown out, then shook hands with the umps and thanked them with a littke wink, and then as soon as the game was over he announced his retirement.

@closethockeyfan5284 10 ай бұрын

Definitely a fitting end to his career. He's prime offender No. 1 in making the Reds a team known for this.

@mikes805 10 ай бұрын

This would be SUCH a Joey Votto move.

@robertbrown7470 10 ай бұрын

In the old days you would want to go out with a hit. Not in these days of wine and winers.

@mikes805 10 ай бұрын

Votto is such a smart, creative, and calculating person that this honestly very well could have been a pre-meditated move. He might have coordinated with the umpires that if there’s anything that happens that he could potentially bark about, he will and they’d throw him out quickly. That wink and a smile, while seemingly either patting or shaking hands w the umpires kind of gives it away. This seems like something that would be highly amusing and entertaining to Votto on his last game

@lastdance2099 10 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing.

@bhamsoxfan72 10 ай бұрын

I'm a soccer referee, and I've had 2 college players approach me before a game and ask me to show them a yellow card (5 accumulated yellow card in college soccer results in a 1-game suspension) because their next game was a fluff game while the game after the fluff game was a conference or playoff game. They wanted to sit out the fluff game and have their accumulation cleared rather than risk a suspension happening in a game that mattered.

@juliusmay8712 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for all of the videos during the 2023 regular season. Hopefully the postseason will be exciting

@markeschen 10 ай бұрын

@Linsey: another, perhaps more interesting, rules development in another farewell game. The Giant's final game of the season was all about celebrating Brandon Crawford, who is likely done as a Giant, and may be retiring. Before his first AB at the start of the bottom of the first, there was a delay as Crawford received a lengthy ovation before stepping into the box. At the top of the ninth, Crawford took the field, and after the Giant's pitcher warmed up, the Giants interim manager came out to the mound to remove Crawford from the game so he could receive one more ovation. There was a lengthy delay (at least a couple minutes) has Crawford got a hug from nearly every teammate on the mound and then the dugout before tipping his cap to the crowd. The game didn't resume until he exited dugout via the tunnel. The takeaway here is that, for at least this one game, the umpires ignored the game clock for an on-field in-game celebration.

@llwc9435 10 ай бұрын

If I remember correctly, there was a similar issue with Cody Bellinger. Except that, in Bellinger's case, the ump struck him for the delay. I believe CCS noted it in one of its videos.

@andrecanis4894 10 ай бұрын

I think there’s a rule that the club has to notify the league in advance of any such celebrations, then the pitch clock can be stopped. In Bellinger‘s case neither Cubs or Dodgers did that before the game.

@karlmilne6446 10 ай бұрын

@@andrecanis4894Actually I thought that rule was amended to all the delay if umpires told about it because of the bellinger incident that MLB hadn’t thought of

@SimonFoster23111971 10 ай бұрын

@@karlmilne6446It would have been brought up in discussions before the change - but the Cubs and Dodgers either ignored it or forgot about it.

@teebob21 10 ай бұрын

Votto ending his career the exact same way he played it: popping off at the mouth on the field, and contrite and polite off the field.

@jamiethornton6101 10 ай бұрын

Well, when all three look like their smiling at the end; that sure tells me that Votto wanted to leave early.

@danielhetue6968 10 ай бұрын

Perhaps, he wants all of the Reds fans and everyone watching on TV and KZfaq to end his career with an ejection in which he intentionally received just for entertainment purposes. 😂

@danballe 10 ай бұрын

And he is gonna blast it off over tiktok

@ronpeacock9939 10 ай бұрын

I agree this looks so like an intentional getting oneself ejected… and I also agree with the announcer… tablets need to be removed from the dugouts… nice tool when used correctly.. but too much are used to judge the umpires…

@BobbySacamano 10 ай бұрын

I really don't understand how that became a thing regardless

@aaroncandella2881 10 ай бұрын

Umpires should be judged. They get paid a lot of money and are TERRIBLY bad.

@ronpeacock9939 10 ай бұрын

@@aaroncandella2881 Actually, MLB umpires are not paid that much.. Joe west was the highest paid umpire in MLB when he retired... He was still only 2/3rds of the MLB minimum player wage... No, MLB umpires are not paid enough to put up with the spoiled brats. Sadly, the players should be judged harsher.. 1 because they are in violation of the rules.. and 2.. They are being paid MILLIONS where umpires get thousands... People seem to think umpires should be perfect... but on the votto K.. the umpire MIssed 1 pitch.. Votto MISSED 2...

@bowdocarat 10 ай бұрын

Instead of removing tablets.... remove the missed calls from B rate umpires

@ronpeacock9939 10 ай бұрын

@@bowdocarat Are you perfect? Do you NEVER make a mistake…First.. if you answer yes to either of those… we know you’re lying.. it’s part of being human.. WTF do you think an umpire is not human and can be perfect? It’s easy to call perfect games with instant replay… Try it at full speed.. 1 viewing only… Believe me.. You and all of the UMPIRES (well, maybe not Angel) want to be perfect and right.. but we and they are all human… don’t expect them to be other worldly.. The reason why we still use human umpires is simply.. Tech can help.. but it’s not up to speed with the game… I personally believe that instant replay and that stupid box are hurting the game.. ratings are down (ALOT)… Bud and Rob have made changes to help and I think most of them have hurt the game… replay and that box are two of them. Interleague play was cool… for 2-3 seasons.. but the loss of the league separation.. really takes away from the game.. now with no DH… there is not NL or AL.. they are conferences now.. and complaining about the umps.. yes, they make mistakes (sadly, less often than the players do), but they are trying and they are human.. and if you’ve never worked as one… looking on from the TV it looks easy.. I’ve done the job.. even for LL.. it’s NOT.. (and LL is harder than older age groups.). Never judge until you’ve walked a mile in their shoes.. I have.. it’s not easy.

@terryrose4804 10 ай бұрын

Someone check his flight schedule to see if he wanted an early out.

@Leafsdude 10 ай бұрын

My theory? Joey's just a nice, polite Canadian. 😁

@NatoBro 10 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@ronaldwayne7092 10 ай бұрын

Yes, like the time he included an apology with his autograph to the little girl in San Diego.

@kevwwong 10 ай бұрын

He should've done the other Canadian thing and jerseyed the ump

@NatoBro 10 ай бұрын

@@kevwwong 😆😆

@tmlms1313 10 ай бұрын

RE asked about James Paxton's no hitter in Toronto......"I don’t care almost at all about Canadian baseball," Votto said on the podcast. "I wasn’t raised inside of Canadian baseball really. I’m coming up on half of my life being in the United States working and being supported by American baseball."...... "As far as Toronto, and Canadian baseball, and the country of Canada, and (James Paxton) being Canadian, I don’t care at all," Votto said on the podcast. "(Paxton), or the Jays, or Canada in general may disagree with that, but I really couldn’t give a rat’s ass about that." - Joey Votto

@thienvu8120 10 ай бұрын

If I was a manager or player I would never look at the calls. The worst in me would be exposed.

@Youngstomata 10 ай бұрын

This would be a bad last game to retire. He’s not done

@briank2502 10 ай бұрын

“Sprints out of the dugout” Lightly jogs.

@chuckinhouston9952 10 ай бұрын

Just like the turtles who bolted from my yard when I chased them.

@joshr.6785 9 ай бұрын

Here's one that came up while watching the 1990 world series. Game 3, Top of the fifth, Duncan on First with one out and Larkin batting, they pitch out and Steinbach steps into the left hand batters box to take the pitch and throw to second. Larkin swings and hits Steinbach's arm. Larkin is called out.

@garygemmell3488 10 ай бұрын

He had an early flight to Aruba.

@dendennis7036 10 ай бұрын

Votto forgot he had a tee time.

@mikep4227 10 ай бұрын

Has anyone done the analysis on Votto's ejection count pre/post the tweet he made about trying to be more calm? Can't remember how many seasons ago it was but anecdotally I don't remember seeing him in many videos post that tweet.

@llwc9435 10 ай бұрын

I believe that, in between innings, the home plate umpire should consult with a "review and rectify" crew. It can be one person in the video room that watches over the home plate umpire. He or she can take notes and, as suggested, inform the umpire about his calls. Umpires should be able to make adjustments in the moment, with the assistance of technical support. They are doing it for play calls. Why not for the pitch calls? Of course, that means putting another person on the payroll. I get it. But it's the MLB. They can afford it.

@SimonFoster23111971 10 ай бұрын

Not enough time between innings (2:15), plus it's a further distraction. Additionally, the crew is supposed to make sure that the dugouts aren't talking about throwing at batters or trying to cleat infielders.

@llwc9435 10 ай бұрын

@@SimonFoster23111971 I'm not referring to the crew. Just the home plate ump. Calls are questioned with play reviews, so the base umps don't have to be a part of the pitching review. So if the home plate ump can quickly get a review of his calls, it could help him to make better calls. It's very possible. "You were off on this pitch. You were off on that pitch." A quick explanation of how he was off, and that should do it. It's a correction in the moment.

@SimonFoster23111971 10 ай бұрын

@@llwc9435 By being reviewed during games, the Home Plate umpire is then prone to second-guessing themself on the close ones - which then further erodes relationships. Anyway, it wouldn't affect the game - as a call can't be changed.

@llwc9435 10 ай бұрын

@@SimonFoster23111971 Baseball is a game of adjustments. Every player in each dugout reviews their at-bat and fielding in order to make adjustments. That's what all those tablets are for. The coaching staff does it. Everyone does it. Also, what do you think the play reviews are for? How do you think it makes an umpire feel when they receive a decision from NY that deems their call to be wrong? They adjust. It would be no different for the home plate ump. Everyone is adjusting to the new rules. Doing the same for pitch calls would be great. In between innings, the home plate ump gets a briefing. From that, he makes his adjustments. When pitchers think they've thrown a strike, but the umpire called it a ball--why do you think they ask the umpire where the pitch was? It's so they can make the adjustment. Same thing needs to happen for the home plate ump. You're really making it a bigger deal than it would be for the home plate ump. They make adjustments just like the players do.

@SimonFoster23111971 10 ай бұрын

@@llwc9435 contact MLB and tell them that you can fix their Umpires - and see where that takes you. Better yet, next time you're at a professional game, tell the Umpire to their face what you think ...

@e3wilson 5 ай бұрын

I’m late to the party, shout out for the 90’s movie 🎥 reference…lol

@davegoodridge8352 10 ай бұрын

On to the post season.

@Retired_Detective51 10 ай бұрын

Those umps may have just thrown Votto out of baseball.

@tigerlee1106 9 ай бұрын

Only 239 ejections. I was waiting for 250 to 300.

@caras2004 10 ай бұрын

2023 Final ejections list Balls/strikes 124 Pitch Clock 15 Check swing 18 Wash hands 6 Play review 10 Fielding play 6 Quick pitch 2 Arguing with other team 2 National Anthem 2 Argue warning pitch 3 Argue out of basepath 2 Blowing off steam 2 Doubleequipment violation4 Argue pitch wildness 4 Arguing balk call 6 Bench clearing instigators 8 Arguing no-balk call 2 Not getting back into the dugout after being warned 1 Intentionally throwing at a batter 2 Arguing about pitcher getting ejected for intentionally throwing at a batter 2 What the hook 10 E36 umpire cussed at dugout then ejected E54 clapping E70,E71 umpire called time then said he didn't call time and gave walk to Giants E76 umpire was walking toward player after player was walking toward dugout (Out at first) E79 dipping head talking to batter without taking off mask. Then the shoo fly wave after ejection. E80,E81 speaks for itself E126 Cabrera's little wave E169 Instant Replay overturned safe call when runner's hand was pushed off😮😮

@joe2lank 10 ай бұрын

Two WTF ejections over two games with two totally different meanings for WTF

@kevwwong 10 ай бұрын

The simple explanation for the apology is that Votto's Canadian.

@tw9535 10 ай бұрын

Votto didn't need a tablet. He was standing right there. If it was close enough that he couldn't tell standing there then it's close enough not to get too upset about just because of a toy tablet.

@yawnberg 10 ай бұрын

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he knew the whole way it was a ball. To paraphrase: if that had been a strike then Mr. Votto would have swung at it.

@Jason_Bover9000 10 ай бұрын

He knew it was a ball

@gforce97 10 ай бұрын

imagine ending your mlb career with an ejection🤣🤣

@larrykramer2761 10 ай бұрын

Idk...I think he did it on purpose. That would be such a Joey Votto thing to do....

@richblunt1309 10 ай бұрын

well fuck that ump for ejecting Joey Votto, like grow a pair. Rabbit ears. Imagine coughing up 60 bucks to see Joey Votto's possibly last game and all you get to remember is an up throwing him out from 100 feet away. Classic.

@SimonFoster23111971 10 ай бұрын

Well **** you for not getting on the diamond and showing them how it's done. It was only the second ejection that the Umpire had issued all Season.

@gheebuttersnaps13 10 ай бұрын

Both Votto and Benson were justified, yell at umps every single time they mess up

@jeffreyhawk3484 10 ай бұрын

Reds got played more than team in MLB with balls being called strikes

@robertbrown7470 10 ай бұрын

So the ball is 1/2 a ball off of the strike zone. Plenty of umpires call that a strike. Whoever came up with this box idea on tv and letting the players and managers and coaches watch it in the dugout should be fired. Now, or sooner.