We've installed 3 PowerShares for Cybertruck Owners and the system works......it actually works! Expect more in videos to come.
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@amhays873 ай бұрын
I had PowerShare hardware installed last week in Texas. Non-Tesla employee! Still not active… waiting for Tesla to refine software. 2:07
@frankcoffey3 ай бұрын
Do you have to have the powerwall or can you get by with just the gateway and the connector?
@johncourant7837Ай бұрын
did they have to run a comm cable from wall connector to the gateway or powerwall?@@frankcoffey
@Stepwise_Electrician11 күн бұрын
Tesla Certified guy out of New England here, thank you guys for breaking this down! Great content and absolutely worth subscribing if you are working with new technologies.
@OnTheSnap13 ай бұрын
PowerShare installed for me as well 2 weeks ago. Not an employee. Waiting for a physical firmware update needed to enable the feature
@ancientsnox50933 ай бұрын
Would you mind sharing the installation costs? Thanks.
@OnTheSnap13 ай бұрын
@@ancientsnox5093~$5K
@patches82913 ай бұрын
@@ancientsnox5093I’d love to get a ballpark on what the gateway costs to install as well
@kirkdameron63413 ай бұрын
Yes, that is what the SCA guys said on the video at 35.25
@johncourant78372 ай бұрын
How did they connect to your system? Wall charger to subpanel for Gateway with what amp breakers? Or did they install wall charger to some other component of system? I have 3 california contractors that don't know where to connect the wall charger to my 2 powerwall, solar system..
@wademt2 ай бұрын
I am a Journeyman Meter tech at an electric utility. My apprenticeship was at SCE in CA. I work at substation level. I should be able to install this myself.
@Mari0o0o3 ай бұрын
26:08 for those curious about people with existing PW installations
@goochbootch34663 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info, I have a foundation and really appreaciate it
@GarretL7573 ай бұрын
Great video. #1 reason I reserved night 1, was hoping they would have this feature. Wish granted.
@JFabric5003 ай бұрын
Just add a soft start to the AC unit and it solves the LRA issue.
@olemissjim3 ай бұрын
That’s oversimplified. If you have one large a/c a soft start might solve LRA, many homes in the south how two or more large a/c and you have to split our critical loads. It’s one of the reasons adoption is complicated and and expensive
@user-iz5lt4px7zАй бұрын
If I have a Solar two Powerwall 3’s and a im getting a universal charger do I need a 3V or a DC connection between the universal wall connector and the batteries?
@zoltanvlad27293 ай бұрын
An honest broker. I would use this company.
@ThomasButrynАй бұрын
Great information! I had been wondering how this worked. Quick question, the gateway is unique for power share, but if I already have a charger can I use that? It is the standard power charger? Thanks.
@jamesbruce11832 ай бұрын
RE delay in switching over to the CT in an outage: This applies to an outage caused by a short circuit - tree branch on line, car hits pole, etc. The utility has breakers at the substation that can automatically restore power (depending on the programming). Here they are set to instantly (~1 sec) the first time than after about 30 sec for the next two times then for 1:30 the last time before locking out. This is to give time for the fault to clear. the fault may clear by a fuse on an adjacent circuit blowing or tree branch getting blown onto a line then falling off. So having a delay before switching over to the CT is advisable.
@ChaimLoecher3 ай бұрын
No mention of offgrid systems... Maybe a sweet cabin in the woods is now a possibility for the misses 😊
@danf88Ай бұрын
Does the PowerShare connection need to be near my main breakers or grid meter? My garage is on the opposite side of the house
@201581528 күн бұрын
Do you think older Tesla vehicles will be able to power share with a future software update, or would only future year model S3XY get this function?
@frankcoffey3 ай бұрын
If your HVAC system has gas heat can you exclude just the AC unit but allow the heating system to operate the electronics and fan?
@kirkdameron63413 ай бұрын
Yes. That was what he was talking about when he suggested some backup loads could be separated from other high-current draw loads or high-power loads.
@fiily1Ай бұрын
I installed a 30amp outdoor generator plug L14l-30P, bought the 10,500 watt gas generator, and the 8' of 8/3 wiring with 4' watertight electrical whip sheathing , total cost was ~ $500. $5k to install this not including HW! Where do I sign-up to install this stuff and make $4500/install since the wiring will be only $500 max. Great idea, and there is a reason these guy want to be first out the gate to install this still, lotsa profit.
@MrGwang73 ай бұрын
I have the latest Universal Tesla Wall Connector installed that is required with the original Tesla Gateway 1.0 that is part of a Tesla Solar and Tesla PowerWall2 system that was all installed by Tesla team. When I contacted Tesla Energy team they said it was not known if the Gateway 1.0 versus the Gateway 2.0 is required for this bi-directional charging... At the 27:00 min mark in your video you said existing PowerWall owners with Gateway (I suppose any version?) will not require anything else, it will work with a firmware/software update?
@smartchargeamerica3 ай бұрын
Correct!
@johncourant78372 ай бұрын
Tesla Wall Charger connects to which subpanel of gateway system with powerwalls? I'd like to send you a picture of my Tesla system installed. Im getting mixed information from different contractors that want to install my Universal tesla Wall charger here in N Calif. it's like they don't know what they are doing@@smartchargeamerica
@geoffreygaither14483 ай бұрын
With the reverse compatibility to PW2 and Gen 2 Wall Connector, is the neutral formed at the PW2? If the NFT is required in the 3V to allow non-PW back-up, this is my assumption.
@smartchargeamerica3 ай бұрын
Bingo! Powershare will essentially keep the Powerwall from running out of juice.
@Mari0o0o3 ай бұрын
In case of an outage if you have a PowerWall system with Solar and now PowerShare installed and Cybertruck plugged in, how does the system work? Does the home start pulling from the Powerwall as usual and only supplement from the vehicle if the home battery is running low and solar isnt keeping up? Or does it pull from both? Also you mentioned excess solar cannot go directly to the vehicle?
@smartchargeamerica3 ай бұрын
Powerwall will be on control. Powershare is there to keep the Powerwall state of charge from getting too low.
@johncourant78372 ай бұрын
That's great to learn. thank you for the new information. I have two powerwalls and solar and a Cybertruck. Just need the Wall Connector installed and Im good. along with software update to make it actually work.@@smartchargeamerica
@socbrian3 ай бұрын
No soft start for AC on th v2g?
@stephengevers58943 ай бұрын
If you already have powerwall and v2 gateway, you don’t need 3v and universal wall connector? Does the existing charger need to be a gen3 wall connector? How does the v2 gateway manage the solar power, powerwalls, and vehicle power? Does the gateway tell the vehicle how much power to supply? Does excess go back into the powerwall?
@smartchargeamerica3 ай бұрын
If you already have powerwall and v2 gateway, you don’t need 3v and universal wall connector? CORRECT. Does the existing charger need to be a gen3 wall connector? NO. How does the v2 gateway manage the solar power, powerwalls, and vehicle power? YES. Does the gateway tell the vehicle how much power to supply? YES. Does excess go back into the powerwall? YES
@cjonesplay13 ай бұрын
Thanks
@bufootballa3 ай бұрын
I currently have solar with Enphase Inverters (gateway) and Enphase Battery backup. Can I still just have the Tesla Powershare Gateway and universal connector installed alongside my solar gateway and have it work when I get my Cybertruck? Basically, I'm looking for info for those of us who have comparable setups that are not by Tesla already on our homes. Thanks in advance for any info you all can provide!
@ZelmarDesigns3 ай бұрын
I have the exact same and waiting on CT. I can imagine we are not alone and we should get the info if we ask all together
@ZelmarDesigns3 ай бұрын
Sorry I missed your Enphase battery, I have 3 Powerwalls
@smartchargeamerica3 ай бұрын
As of now, Powershare cannot coexist with any other power source except for Powerwall OR Powerwall + Solar. I do not expect that to change.
@MsAjax40914 күн бұрын
@@smartchargeamerica I would like to understand why that is true. My understanding is that a solar system with battery backup installed on a subpanel off the main breaker panel is INVISIBLE to the Powershare Gateway. In a whole-house Powershare backup installation, when the grid goes down, the Gateway detect it and puts split phase 240V power from the Cybertruck onto the L1/L2 and neutral lines into the home's main breaker panel. It has no idea what's connected to the main breaker panel. The Gateway effectively simulates the return of grid power to the main panel and to the existing solar + backup system so that the solar inverter continues to operate supplying power to house. The solar inverter automatically synchronizes with the Gateway's 60 Hz power waveform (AC coupling). Energy from the CT battery via the UWC and Gateway 3V supplements the solar power to handle all main panel loads. How is this not the case?
@AnonymousMiner229 күн бұрын
Silverado EV also supports this. Blazer EV as well with software update. Both have been out since video release. Just fyi. Also I am not sure but I think Rivian does it with software update? I am 100% sure about chevy, I work there.
@user-jt9nm1uq6e3 ай бұрын
What are the options for those who just have solar no powerwall? Can I still install it ahead of the main breaker and wait for a software update or will i have to have the 3V installed after the main panel and feed a sub panel? DO you need to set up load shedding modules on those high power draw appliances or houses will multiple HVAC systems? I am assuming that 48 amps wont be able to sustain most homes in the event of an outage?
@smartchargeamerica3 ай бұрын
As of now, Powershare cannot coexist with any other power source except for Powerwall OR Powerwall + Solar. I do not expect that to change. If the grid goes down, your solar inverters will simply shut down and stay down until the grid comes back. Having existing solar will not alter the way we design your install. 48A can sustain a larger number of homes than you would expect. Most people will perform their own load shedding in an outage scenario in order to not waste energy.
@user-jt9nm1uq6e3 ай бұрын
@@smartchargeamerica Appreciate the response on that! Assuming the solar its tied in to the main panel now via a backfed breaker. If you were to install the 3V Gateway as the new main panel and back up the whole old main panel with the Gateway, could you put the solar breaker in the Gateway or the old main panel? It seems like in both scenarious the Solar Inverter might think the power is back on and try to back feed into the 3V Gateway when Powersharing with the Cyber Truck.
@MsAjax40921 күн бұрын
@@user-jt9nm1uq6e Good question. I haven't got Powershare installed yet, but I expect to install the 3V Gateway between the utility meter and my main distribution panel so that the whole house is backed up when the UWC (Universal Wall Connector) is plugged into the CT. My DC solar inverter is connected to a subpanel off the main distribution breaker panel. Since the DC solar inverter will see 240VAC at its connection to the subpanel, it will take power from the solar panels if there's somewhere to put it. That would be either house loads, depleted house battery (not Powerwall), or to the CT battery if back feed through the Gateway is possible. If not possible and solar power generation exceeds demand, the solar inverter will throttle back solar production using frequency shifting. I would think that back feeding excess power to CT's battery is possible since the UWC is AC coupled to the main panel, but the Gateway might not allow it until it senses that grid power is restored.
@peteroffpist16213 ай бұрын
in Sweden the Tesla charger cost from Tesla store is $600.00 and a normal installation in a garage that has 240 volt three fas is a 1 to 2 hours job. Cost about $ 200.00.
@moe85moe853 ай бұрын
Would a soft start also help if the LRA was above the 110 amps ?
@smartchargeamerica3 ай бұрын
Yes!
@007.r3 ай бұрын
If you have a v1 wall connector can it share the cable back to 3V gateway? I.e. can I use the old wall connector for a second tesla?
@smartchargeamerica3 ай бұрын
Power/circuit sharing is currently not a supported configuration for Powershare.
@bvsnook3 ай бұрын
What gauge wire is required for the 2 wire communication wire between the wall connector and the 3v gateway?
@janbottorff46423 ай бұрын
Perhaps a 600V rated shielded twisted pair, like Beldon 3088A.
@smartchargeamerica3 ай бұрын
It is 4 wires. 2 for power and 2 for communication. 16AWG or 18AWG depending on the distance.
@eddieyeetx3 ай бұрын
If we have a generator inlet and an interlock, would we be able to just plug in the ct bed’s 240v outlet to the house generator inlet?
@bbtizzle773 ай бұрын
I don't see why not. If the truck's 220 can direct charge another EV it should be able to do the same to your home.
@smartchargeamerica3 ай бұрын
I expect this would work just fine! You would be limited to 40A instead of getting the full 48A.
@olemissjim3 ай бұрын
You absolutely can, you to check and possibly remediate ground vs neutral issues, and you won’t have automatic backup and transfer. You need to test and ensure you print a checklist of what breakers need to be left off before energizing the Cybertruck output
@johncourant78372 ай бұрын
I already did this with the cybertruck at my cabin. Instead of using the gasoline generator I used the truck this last weekend. worked great without any issues. I used the 14 50 supplied charger cable adapter connected to truck 14 50 outlet to an extension cable to my generator connection on cabin and disconnected PGE for 7 days!!
@fiily1Ай бұрын
That is what I would do, install a 50A generator inlet, panel interlock, and voila 40A power for $150 for 25ft 6/3 wiring, 50a inlet, and interlock. Problem is the $80k truck, so just buy 2 9500w inverter generators, get them running in series, and (2) 250galllon propane tanks, and you just saved $75k.
@ZachGrady3 ай бұрын
Where would a powerwall connect to this system? I would assume when it makes sense it would typically connect to the Gateway, but could it be connected direct to the sub panel?
@smartchargeamerica3 ай бұрын
Just answered on another comment: The 3V Gateway would need to be uninstalled when adding Powerwall. Much could change when adding Powerwall depending on the size and loads in your home, if it involves solar, partial vs full home backup, budget, etc. Difficult to answer without having all the details.
@johncourant7837Ай бұрын
if installing the Tesla Universal Wall connector with V2 gateway and powerwalls, will you be installing a communication wire from wall connector to gateway?
@smartchargeamericaАй бұрын
Since Powerwall is installed there is no communication wire needed.
@johncourant7837Ай бұрын
@@smartchargeamerica Thank you!
@professortweedypooper35493 ай бұрын
Great video , what impact does having Tesla solar already installed have?
@MrGwang73 ай бұрын
I have the same question that I posted. I have the original Tesla Gateway 1.0 that was installed back in 2020 by Tesla and when I called Tesla Energy if it would be compatible with the V2H bi-directional charging and they said they did not have any info yet... This new 3V Gateway appears to be different from 1.0 and 2.0 Gateways
@kirkdameron63413 ай бұрын
It will vary depending on many variables, what other equipment you have, and what you want the system to do when it is complete. I have Tesla solar from 2013, with an Aurora inverter of that epoch, rated at just 3 kW. So the design in my situation will vary from hundreds of others. But I would probably just purchase a Tesla Powerwall3 (which includes the inverter functionality) at the same time we install the Powershare equipment that is provided with the Foundation-series Cybertruck, and eliminate the old inverter completely. Then the installers would just tie my solar DC feed wires into the Powerwall3 and I'd be good to go, with solar, batt backup to the house from both Powerwall + Cybertruck.
@smartchargeamerica3 ай бұрын
No impact unless you have Tesla Powerwall.
@nathvg257611 күн бұрын
I have a Tesla Solar Panels, Powerwall+, and Universal Wall Connector. Is this setup good enough to get the V2L working if I get a Cybertruck? And will this setup also work once they enable PowerShare on newer Model Y?
@smartchargeamericaКүн бұрын
Yes, you are good to go.
@user-ib9om5rt2n3 ай бұрын
I got a Cybertruck and planning a Powerwalls 2:install. Is the Gateway that comes free with the Cybertruck the same one you install with a Powerwall 2?
@smartchargeamerica3 ай бұрын
No, it is a different Gateway.
@younglee805Ай бұрын
How does this affect you if you are currently on nem 2.0 with no battery back ups? I don’t want to be moved to nem 3.0
@kestrelglassingsystems67043 ай бұрын
How easy is it to add a powerwall to this system post installation? Are there any considerations that need to be made during installation to accommodate this expansion at a later date?
@Mathis2183373 ай бұрын
also would love to know!
@smartchargeamerica3 ай бұрын
The 3V Gateway would need to be uninstalled when adding Powerwall. For your second question, much could change when adding Powerwall depending on the size and loads in your home, if it involves solar, partial vs full home backup, budget, etc. Difficult to answer without having all the details.
@kestrelglassingsystems67043 ай бұрын
@@smartchargeamerica thank you for your reply. Seems like a big miss if the 3V Gateway doesn't have that level of modular compatibility. We plan to add solar and power wall in the future, I wonder if there is a way to get out in front of the V3 installation with Tesla (our CT has been configured and just waiting on a vin) and have them install equipment that is better compatible with Solar/powerwall/Cybertruck.
@tzetvАй бұрын
Would this work with other V2H/L capable vehicles? EG Ioniq etc?
@smartchargeamericaАй бұрын
Not currently. Tesla will make this V2H functionality available to other manufacturers that adopt the North American Charging Standard.
@JohnFabrega3 ай бұрын
What is the second box installed in the install videos?
@smartchargeamerica3 ай бұрын
Tesla 3V Gateway is what we installed.
@gordonlowe54053 ай бұрын
Does anyone know if a Powerwall 3 can be landed on the Tesla 3V gateway?
@smartchargeamerica3 ай бұрын
No, it cannot. We would simply install the Tesla V2 Gateway in that case.
@dougtruong2 ай бұрын
FYI: tesla can charge on Solar with a software setting in the vehicle.
@user-pn6fw9wb7jАй бұрын
It is not clear to me if Powershare can do V2G/send power to grid at peak times and recharge at off-peak. Can you clarify?
@smartchargeamericaАй бұрын
It is currently for V2H only. Not V2G.
@markkelliher52163 ай бұрын
If I have existing solar- non tesla- will it tie into this system?
@smartchargeamerica3 ай бұрын
No, it will not. You would need Tesla Powerwall in your scenario in order to take advantage of your solar during a grid outage.
@adamdarrow3 ай бұрын
@@smartchargeamericait is supposed to work without any other battery bank
@newsfromthefrunk20 күн бұрын
At 26:20 you said (paraphrased) "If you only have Powerwall OR wall connector you are good to go; you don't need 3V gateway" - but doesn't this need a grid disconnect? If you only have a wall connector, the Cybertruck would backfeed into the grid. Surely if you only have a wall connector, you'd need to install other equipment to enable the truck to power the house safely?
@smartchargeamerica14 күн бұрын
Apologies for the confusion. You need Powerwall AND Wall Connector in the backup circuit. If you don't have powerwall then you do need the universal wall connector and the 3V gateway.
@johnross63143 ай бұрын
Teleprompter via iPhone on a desk does not work well. 😂 still, thanks for video on PS topic. Tesla confirmed I get $4k for install of the PS hardware that comes with CT Beast (tri-motor).
@jamanjeval3 ай бұрын
How does this work with multiple vehicles and multiple chargers?
@smartchargeamerica3 ай бұрын
Currently only one Cybertruck can provide Powershare at a time.
@ourv96032 ай бұрын
Yeah, the powershare is one way to do it OR you could use a Bi DIRECTIONAL EV charger like the Ford Lightning uses to put juice INTO your cybertrucks battery pack AND it allows juice to be pulled OUT of the battery pack. Just like your powershare does without the added expense. !
@originalradman94913 ай бұрын
🤔Did you use a laptop webcam for video? The graphics look crisp and clear - but the video is noticeably soft and compressed. It might look OK on a small cell phone - but it's terrible on a larger screen. Thanks for the detailed information.
@smartchargeamerica3 ай бұрын
It was originally a live youtube using a laptop webcam. We are currently investigating alternatives for future videos. Thank you for the feedback.
@JFabric5003 ай бұрын
You never mentioned the cost for the PowerShare anywhere you just said it’s cheaper ish than a generator.
@lesterhousel3 ай бұрын
Why can’t I just connect 75’ extension cords [with a 3 way plug ] inside our home upstairs and down stairs into the CyberTruck outlets? [ instead of our old gasoline generator]
@smartchargeamerica3 ай бұрын
That's certainly an option! As long as you are okay with the amount of work + cleanup to do so. Would not cover any major appliances. I'm not a fan of the tripping hazard!
@jacobjack18652 ай бұрын
It's has a 220 plug that produces 8000 watts. Just connect😊 it to a generator outlet.
@daxmickelson68843 ай бұрын
Do you need 1 3V Powershare per Cybertruck? Or can multiple wall connectors wire into a single 3V?
@smartchargeamerica3 ай бұрын
Yes. It is currently not supported to have multiple Cybertrucks simultaneously providing Powershare on a single 3V Gateway.
@zipp53983 ай бұрын
Listen to this was rather interesting especially the part about all these worries about these battery, connectors and power, and all that stuff and fires sounds to me like the best course of action would be to return to some of the old stuff and what I’m talking about is the old idea of a central powerhouse Now this won’t work in a city but in the country or Township this work just fine in case someone doesn’t know what I’m talking about. I’ll try to keep this brief. Essentially you have a farm and in the center of your farm your power comes into a building this building houses all electrical and water components like water heaters etc. instead of having them in your basement nowadays most don’t have the water component part but the powerhouse part would be just fine. It would be safer and allow you to have battery packs and all that stuff in one central location and then pipe out to your home and other buildings. This means more electrical wiring with heavier cabling but I think this would be an easier way to handle things. The other thing to note is you could have a dedicated fire suppression system in your electrical house to extinguish these electrical components just my thoughts. Thanks for the great video. (just a little disclaimer I’m not electrician I’m just a farmer and I do it myself kinda attitude, but take my two cents with a grain of sand. These are just my thoughts.)
@coryturke733610 күн бұрын
So essentially, with taxes, you're looking at around $300,000 to have a cybertruck, solar and powerwall system to power your home. Lets do some math: Average hydro bill in US is around $150/month. 300,000/150 = 2000 months 2000/12 = 166 It will take you 166 years to break even on that cost versus just paying a hydro bill. And its actually much more than that because the cybertruck and all the goodies will financed, at interest, over years for most who bother to do all of this. Assuming you're in your 30s to 50s, because you'd have to be to afford a cybertruck, accumulate enough wealth to purchase a large home and all the goodies needed for this to work, it would be a third of the cost to just pay your hydro bill until you die. All you've done is transfer where your money goes. From the power companies (which you're still going to be paying access fees to regardless) to a corporation you bought all the goodies from. When does the green energy future actually SAVE us money, because as it stands, its only for the very wealthy. I'm a Tesla shareholder, and love Elon and Co. Im just wondering when all of this helps us drive electricity costs down instead of up?
@lesterhousel3 ай бұрын
At least until the firmware is available [June?], we live in Central Florida [huricane season is coming] Ref my above comment.
@smartchargeamerica3 ай бұрын
Yes. Extension cords could work fine in the meantime.
@robleo6926 күн бұрын
Most of the presentation is out of focus especially the black and white still image. You may want to get a professional videographer for any future presentations . 50 years in the electrical industry, and a licensed electrical contractor, and certified Tesla installer since 2014. You say it can come with a main breaker rated up to 200A (160A @80%) from the load side of utility meter (ahead of the homes main breaker distribution panel) but is not (yet) service entrance rated as with for example a SE rated generator back-up transfer switch and requiring a separate disconnect adding to installation cost, that can vary widely depending on the complexity. Tesla needs to get that one figured out IMO. Your presentation states the V3 is rated @ 110A= 26.4kW for a "whole house" transfer scenario. If the wall connector is 60A=11.5kW @ 80% (from what I have seen thus far) back-feeding from the Cybertruck, how is it possible to provide 110A of whole house back-up from 48A source via back- feeding from the wall connector? I've talked to Tesla tech's to gain more installation information as I have a potential client contacting me for a PS install and the tech's I spoke to could not answer my question as this is still very new from Tesla.
@richardroberson92772 ай бұрын
wait this pos that only gets you a few thousand more watts....doesnt use the onboard transformer and youre paying for a whole additional transformer instead of just using the rear outlet the truck comes with....why? you get 0 additional energy out of the truck. whats the point? just to have it be automatic vs walking to garage and plugging in a cord once a year maybe?
@BrianCaines3 ай бұрын
I have had my Cybertruck for 3 weeks and still no powershare install acheduled
@steveshi9533 ай бұрын
video quality is like from the 90s
@smartchargeamerica3 ай бұрын
I appreciate the feedback. I noticed KZfaq Live video quality has been poor. We are working to improve this.
@richardroberson92772 ай бұрын
yeah....this is worthless. good for yuppies. get a cord, plug into rear 240v power outlet. buy mcb interlock kit for 5$, setup cybertruck like any generator ever. turn off appliances as needed if it draws too much. hur dur. there hour of work and 5$ and a genny cord. every rv owner and contractor laughs at people like this. one single bonus - the 4500 extra gets you like 2000 watts more power....which still isnt enough to run a full house ac and makes really no difference so heyo
@MsAjax40921 күн бұрын
Yes, you can do that, but if you're not home when the power goes out you're screwed.