The only saving grace for the guncannons was the armor and that failed against the bazooka and heat hawks, only with the machine gun if the unit was lucky

The Origin Guncannons aren't really even that great at their ideal range.

It's also worth pointing out that these Guncannons didn't have Minovsky fusion reactors, so they had a fraction of the output and performance of the Zaku

These mk 1 (shoulder cannon) Guncannons die faster than GMs.

@@Marinealver In Origin the Guncannon is massively worse than the GM.

I could easily have seen a scenario where he killed Gaia for disobeying orders and he and Char proceed to kill Ortega and Mash.

This really makes the black tri stars death in the hands of the gundam all the more satisfying

I don't think Minovsky was going to cooperate anymore. He might sabotage the program or design defective products. He couldn't be trusted.

Winning the battle to lose the war

First he fires on them without permission and then he killed the Doctor. I’m surprised he wasn’t thrown in the brig and court martialed for disobeying his commanding officer.

The question is "Was Dr. Minovsky still useful?". His whole focus was shrinking the power reactor to fit inside a Zaku. He accomplished that. Even if Zeon recaptured him, what else could he accomplish? It seemed like he may no longer have been useful anymore. Other Zeon Scientists were already taking over mobile suit development

Probably didn't help Char sank the command ship before they could issue the recall order. Giving the Guncannons an out and possibly averting Dr. Minovsky's sudden dimensional reduction.

@@Renorick1 chars actions in attacking the command ship were completely reasonable. Gaia's refusal to follow orders is the real issue here

​@@TheBigExclusivemost likely. Dr Minovsky can still create reactors that are strong enough for beam weaponry. Something that he did in the novels for the federation. Which is why the feds were able to quickly catch up and surpass zeon in mobile suit tech.

Yeah, to be fair they were up against veterans. Even a veteran with a pistol can kill a noob with an assault rifle.

​@@-podalso, plot armor

@@foofoo3344 Absolutely unfair to call them veterans. This incident happened before the One Year War even began. These are prototypes against prototypes. The simple fact is the Zeon mobile suits are superior to Federation ones.

@@spiderpsycho_8887 They are veteran soldier, not veteran pilots. Regardless, their footsoldier skills helps them.

@@foofoo3344 i don't think there's a lot of crossover between lets say a marine and an air force pilot

In other words, Germany vs the Allies all over again.

@@Alamandorious yeah this makes sense

Don't forget that GMs are actually 0.8Gundam and it is newer and slightly better than Zaku in terms of spec (not talking about the quality of pilots

Funny since their tactics are more primitive and less practical than conventional doctrine

Shuttup dude

Keep in mind is that Zeon built their suits for Mass Production in mind. While the Federation's Gundam was so expensive and time intensive to build. There was no way they could mass produce the Gundams for every pilot. The Federation had to scale back the Gundam and make the GM instead. The GM has much lower performance than Gundam.

I would agree considering that the early type Guncannons wouldn't even be considered true "Mobile Suits" and more so as just walking tanks

@@TheBigExclusive but it ended up being way better than the zaku IIs on paper and WAY better than the proto-guncannons

​@@TheBigExclusive I doubt budget is an issue for the feds, they simply lack talent. They had no issues mass producing Jegans

​@TheBigExclusive the GM did have some performance equallinf the Gundam. And come the RX-179, the OG Gundam was basically over qs a front line unit as the GM 2 had equal performance

problem with that is have to animated as well make Zeon look a little weak but they would not do that as people well complan about Zeon not being unstopable

as if bandai would ever consider stopping zeonwank.

@@vm_duc This is true.

zeon fanboys would shit their pants if the zakus took anywhere near the damage they should have (given already established facts)

​@@FlameQwertYou say that but as a Zeon enjoyer even I know those cannons should've put a dent at minimum in a zaku 1's armor. The bug is up armored comparatively but even still. The orgin did flop a few things for me.

I absolutely must give you credit for this observation!!😲

Many other aspects can also play a role too. The federation's field motor drive system was far better and faster than Zeons fluid pulse drive system. So while on paper, a Gelgood should make mincemeat out of the grandpa Gundam. The drive system allowed it to dodge and move faster.

So the way he destroy the bridge in ms igloo was badass.

*Peers into the Future* Womp womp

Char wasn’t in ms igloo, those episodes were of other soldiers and in the case of the assault guntanks prisoners if I recall right

People who had actual MS training against people who were probably tank operators

Federation tank crews destroyed hundreds of Zakus prior to the V project rolling out.

@@frogfinance4605 No one ever gives the Tank Crews or fighter pilots the credit they deserve for just how long they held off the Zeeks until the first MP mobile suits started to roll out. Some missed story potential there really.

@@frogfinance4605 true but these where tank crews in mobile suits which honestly is the worst people you put in these you want fighter pilots people who can make full advantage of the mobility

@@tuckerodonnell9269 no. Type 61 tanks destroyed hundreds of zakus

Next year Solomon invasion on😂 Mobile suit gundam origin anime is possible.

What the name of this show?

@@durbeshpatel3047 Mobile suit gundam the origin

I don't know, the art style direction is a little goofy for me, it got it charm tho. I know the 0079 is also a goofy one but it's like.. The pre 2000 kind of goofy. I just.. Don't know how to describe this maybe I was just old fashion bias. Just my own opinion with no hatred

The origin was better

They hit the ground at the feet of the Zakus, not the Zakus themselves. And in the near-vacuum of the lunar surface, there's no blastwave to knock over or damage the MS, just shrapnel. Most likely their targeting systems weren't calibrated properly for the environment; it's mostly limited to supplementary material, but one reason Zeon and the EFSF made distinct space and ground variants of various MS and designs that could operate efficiently in both environments came later is because the difference in gravity, atmospheric density, pressure, temperature, wind speed, the vacuum of space, etc. all combined to make weapons and targeting systems suitable for one environment ineffective in another environment. In space, for example, ballistic weapons would travel in a straight line forever, but on Earth gravity, atmospheric drag, the planet's spin (coriolis effect), etc will change the trajectory of the shot dramatically. If your sights/targeting system are calibrated for one environment, they won't work as well in another environment.

@@Swindle1984 Explosives generate gas when they detonate, there would be a shockwave regardless. I am not sure wether it would be more or less strong than an atmospheric explosion.

@@widowpeak6142 Less. I've used explosives professionally. The shockwave on the moon would be almost entirely transmitted through the ground, and with no atmosphere to contain the blast it wouldn't propagate very well. Unless you get a direct hit, a bazooka round on the moon or in space is basically nothing.

@@widowpeak6142 Similarly, nukes in space are basically giant flashbulbs, you have to be nearly making contact to do real damage. Most damage from a nuke is from the atmospheric shockwave and then the second shock from the air filling the vacuum back in.

@@Swindle1984 Fair enough. I had arguments for both effects, but I wasn't sure which would weigh more. As a counterpoint, surely there would be ammo for usage in space, loaded with shrapnel. The first round lands directly by the feet of the first zaku. At least give them some scratched paint!

The Guncannon here just looks significantly weaker than the prototypes in the original series. The Zaku mechine guns can hardly dent the prototype. Of course, that beam rifle of the prototype is actually like top of the line weapon for its time. The cannons here also looks technologically outdated compare to the one in the prototype.

@@Guncannon yep, i think the guncannons here were made for anti-infantry and maybe some anti-armor(tanks and other conventional military vehicle) combat rather than mobile suit v mobile suit combat.

Gms are weak they stand there staring at enemy receiving heavy attack

@@Guncannonthe RX-77/78 series prototypes had Lunar Titanium armour and e-cap beam weaponry, which was what gave them the advantage during the One Year War.

Aka Russia losing their crap when America made the F-15😂😅

What are you talking about ? zaku armor was designed to take direct hits shrapnel won't do nothing

@@right584 yeah right sharpnel would do nothing, then explain why Zaku 2 in other gundam anime takes heavy damage after receiving altilery barrage from feddies. and i have to remind you, Zaku 1 Armor is weak because they make it to be lighter to compensate the reactor output limitation and Zaku 2 actually has much better armor because the reactor is also improved

@@ilhamshobri461 you said it your self that's an artillery barrage not shrapnel

@@right584where do you think shrapnel comes from?

@@yodamorpheus3128 shrapnel are usually dangerous against infantary or unarmored vehicles But they do nothing against heavy armor like ifvs or tanks Same for a zaku

Thank you kindly, internet stranger. Loved Thunderbolt.

I like all three

4 elites pz 4/75. the zaku 1 cant be compared to leopards expecialy when they are the first of their kinds. see your info stgraigt zeon famboy. for comparsion the Dijeh vs the Zaku 3 is Abrams vs Leopards

You mean Tigers? 😂😂😂

@torokun is not ready yet for that!

Nah more like a bunch of new M3's against the late production panzer lll's, maybe one pzVI with the 75 for the guy with the bazooka. Better guns and armour but worse mobility and less experienced crew vs. elite veterans in technically worse machines but making all the difference with experience and tactics, pretty much how it happened in africa 42/43.

Leopards would get fucked by Shermans. That’s an armoured car vs an actual medium tank.

To be fair, at this point of the timeline, Federation was just starting to make any sort of proper Mobile Suit and they didn't have a proper doctrine for them yet. You can see how Guncannons are basically treated as tanks/artillery pieces, they don't really move. They haven't really gotten doctrine and usage down yet. However, that's just Mobile Suit front. On the non-MS fronts, Federation very much dominated. Battle of Loum would have been massive defeat for Zeon if not for Char pulling some Grade A Bullshit to cripple Federation Navy.

There's a lot of factors at play here. First off, Zeon had access to mobile suit tech well before it was weaponized, with many pilots having years of experience using them in construction work, while the Federation had functioning mobile suits for months at best, so the pilots had far less training, and less time for the establishment of battlefield doctrine. At this point, even if the Federation mobile suits were on par with Zeon's, that experience gap is telling. There's also the technology gap to consider. Zeon had access to Superhard Steel Alloy, which the original Zaku 1's were constructed from, while the Federation suits were made from titanium. SSA was just blatantly better, and future Zaku units would be made from even sturdier materials. Further, since Zeon was first out with Mobile Suits, they had a better idea of what weapons would be effective against them, while for the Federation, this was all still experimental with minimal data, so their weapons would not be up to the task. All of the tech that made the Zeon suits superior came from Minovsky, the man trying to defect, and Zeon had made sure that information wouldn't fall into the Federation's hands. Everything leading up to the Gundam project would have to be done by scratch by Tem Rey, one of his students. The final factor is a combination of the two, and is something so common that it has a name in the real world: Teething Troubles. Any time a new weapons platform is initially implemented, problems will emerge from the fact that all of its development and testing was done in a lab or in controlled environments, orderly environments where all, or nearly all, factors are controlled. War is a chaotic environment, and will reveal flaws that weren't apparent on a drawing board or a proving ground. While the data from this encounter and ones like it would help to iron out the flaws and help improve future production models, if wouldn't help in the short term. All of this is why, in the One Year War, Zeon was able to dunk on the Federation so successfully, and the main reasons why Zeon agreed to a truce was because they were running low on soldiers and weapons, needing to rearm before they could continue the war. After only a year of warfare, Zeon was exhausted, and while they'd made massive gains, battlefield losses meant that they lacked the manpower to capitalize on them. This peace would give the Federation time to catch up, both in terms of technology and battlefield doctrine. Then, with the Gundam, the Federation was able to create a weapons platform that could go toe-to-toe with even Zeon's best weapons, finally bridging the technology gap between the two powers.

I mean, one side already well versed and trained in mobile suit combat, the other side still grasping on what to do with them. War isn't fair, is like me complaining Zaku machine gun cannot penetrate Gundam armor. It wasn't supposed to be fair.

Ah the gm, specs better than most zeon ms, gets wiped out to show how much more powerful the gundam is compared to the gms that stand there and blow up. When there is a gm that can figjt it gets sniped off or killed by newtype powers in 3 seconds anyway.

I think the point was to show just how woefully unprepared for the war the Federation was. They didn't take Zeon seriously enough to keep pace in many areas. Their MS development was way behind, their strategic doctrine was severely outdated, and their overall combat readiness was lacking. They didn't believe it was possible for a single colony cluster to even remotely challenge them. The Federation's fleets had an ungodly numerical advantage, and they didn't think silly gimmicks like mobile suits would matter. It was until the Battle of Loum that the Federation finally understood that the nature of warfare had changed. Honestly, it fits with the recurring theme of the Universal Century timeline. Almost all of the problems in the U.C. are rooted in the Federation's neglect and complacency. Their unwillingness to be proactive and take things seriously before it's too late is a major problem in every series.

Not to mention a carrier of that caliber not having better armor, especially around critical points like the bridge and the engines. SMH

I have always hated this about the gundam series.

General rule of thumb is weapons > armor since it takes more advanced materials and thought processes to overcome the power of a missile or shot. In regards to CIWS though, isn't the whole point of minovsky to neutralize radars? How could a fire control system track a target as far out as your saying without radar?

@@armandaguerrebere8088 CIWS is just one of the many modern day examples I chose. For the situation they were in, they didn't need radar. They were likely within 1000 meters, close enough for manual aiming. AC-130 tactics would had shredded them. Raining thousands of pounds on ordinance on them until there is nothing left. But yet, they only had a ball turret that shot and rotated slower than a 30mm auto cannon from the top of the ship.

"Close enough for manual aiming" indeed, and it probably was being manually aimed at that point, and also probably why the operator missed. I am not a veteran nor a soldier but I have watched a ton of documentaries about the subject, and one thing that stuck to me were the descriptions of people that actually were in battle about how adrenaline is filling your booldstream, which causes you to get twitchy and overreactive, which in turn causes soldiers to miss relatively easy shots. And I would wager that if I was on that transport having just watched all the ground forces we deployed get wrecked and now having an MS right up on my face through the weapon's optics I would be sweating bullets.

Maybe oxygen leakages could justify it among other gases to make the noise

doesnt that depend on the elements at times, you also have to keep in mind about lithium fires

facts. need some more low cost suits in the game

Bugu is in gbo2 now :)

​@@lunathecrusaderNo It's not. Yet.

@@aceu.c.veteran5167 its only on playstation

Only Ramba Ral's is a Bugu. Char's and the Black Tri-Star's are Zaku Is

Why would you hate it?

@@matthiuskoenig3378 it’s just how it’s presented. Like how storm troopers can win the battle of HOTH but the only other time the can aim is the opening of the cary first movie. I don’t care that they lose, I care how they lose. Even in unicorn the newest models were being wiped by 20 year old models

Finally, someone is saying something about this. this trope of zeon Wiping out legions of federation mobile suits without breaking a sweat is getting kinda old.

@@tystringfellow7912 I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks this!

​@@AmbroseBoaBowie tbf Stormtroopers are pretty great troops barring times they fight the heroes, like when they storm Tantive IV in the first movie, they mow down the rebels and suffer few casualties despite the rebels having a massive defense advantage from using a choke point, also they were instructed to not kill Luke and the gang on the Death Star as to let them lead the Empire to Yavin IV

Same VA. Very fitting though, he kinda sounds like his Jap VA

That’s because it is. It’s Keith Silverstein

lmao I can't stop thinking of a bunch of Skyrim characters in Char's place

Gundam the origin

This series is called mobile suit gundam the origin. It is a prequel to the original Mobile Suit Gundam show. Origin is mostly about the politics leading up to the 1 year war (the war that the original show took place during). I wouldnt recommend it as an entry point because there is comparably less action compared to other shows (still thoroughly enjoyable though). The gundam series take place in many different self contained timelines. Origin and the original show take place in whats called the Universal Century. The UC timeline by far has the most shows and movies in it, that have been coming out for over the last 40 years. They vary wildly in animation style, quality of writing, and amount of budget. Given all that the UC is a tough place to start. I would actually recommend some of the side continuities for a first time watch to see if you can get into the concept before doing a deep dive on UC. Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans (IBO) is a great entry point. It has very kinetic hard hitting battles, with often gruesome outcomes. Unlike other Gundam universes there are very few laser weapons in IBO so there are lot less instant vaporization deaths. Another good option is Gundam 00. Its a pretty traditional gundam show with good fights and decent writing. I recommend 00 and IBO because they have much more modern animation styles so there is more to enjoy visually while getting into Gundam as a whole. If you dont mind the 1979 animation you could of course always start on the original show Mobile Suit Gundam. Its sequel Zeta Gundam is also a good watch. One more show which is one of my all time favorites is Mobile Suit Gundam: The 08th MS team. It takes place during the one year war, but doesnt rely on having watched any of the other series. It is short and v well made.

​@liamh8926 thanks! I'll take your recommendations!

​@liamh8926 oh, and I'll add, Hail Zeon!

Start by watching Gundam Seed, if not that then Gundam Wing

Gundam the Origin

@@ss_louis1360 thank you

Mobile Suit Gundam: The Origin

Gundam the origin i think?

The Origin. You should also check out the Manga. It's closer to Tomino's original plan.

Its more to do with how new the federation was to having any mobile suits. It is a completely new type of military vehicle to them it would be like having a professional driver fly one of the first ever planes. He might have the same excellent reactions but if he cant instinctively translate them to the machine then hes out of luck. I would also imagine these early Guncannons would be extremely clunky to control.

Tem Ray says that the suits they were piloting were terrible. That's coming from the man that made the Grandpa Gundam

Fed ms werent ms but gun tank with legs

The Guncannon seems to hit everything but the target even when it’s standing still.

the aiming system is not bad, the shell are supposed to be landed right there since its altilery canon, they destroy target with blast not direct hit. the odd thing how the hell zaku are not gets destroyed? zaku armor only design just to tank anti aircraft canon because that the only thing that can keep up with their speed, not altilery canon. in ms 08, that amount of blast could just destroy that zaku.

The Zaku was better than anything the federation had until the GM and Gundam came into existence

@@ilhamshobri461 that was _after_ the Battle of Loum, though, where Zeon stripped armor off of their MS since nukes aren't going to be used anymore.

The Tri-stars had a bad habit for ignoring commands and continuing combat

gundam the orgin

shhhh dont question it it looks cool

more like some sort of a chemecal fuel that does not need oxygen to burn and it is pink-ish purple flame indicating a different kind of fire