Easiest & cheapest Apple solution to converting Pro Res RAW for use within Davinci Resolve.

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SOOC MEDIA

SOOC MEDIA

Жыл бұрын

I have spent the past few days trawling the internet trying to come up with a solution to Davinci Resolve's lack of compatibility with Pro Res RAW. Yes, we have tried the RAW Converter & Motion avenues, not to mention having to open Final Cut Pro or Premier Pro to convert the RAW files. Apple's Compressor encoder software, which comes with Final Cut Pro also runs as a stand alone app & is only £50 / $60 to buy. It is as simple as a 5 steps click and in no time at all you have effortlessly converted Pro Res RAW to something like Pro Res 4444 or 4444 HQ, which imports straight into Davinci Resolve:).

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@AdAstraStakePool
@AdAstraStakePool Ай бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing your research on this annoying issue. It helped me a lot.
@johnjudson3466
@johnjudson3466 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for this! Even though I did the dang converter I still did the compressor and it took 2 seconds to convert a twenty minute RAW clip
@TwoJaxSB
@TwoJaxSB 9 ай бұрын
About this Compressor app...can you set multiple outputs to run during the same batch? Specifically, could you do a "fat" transcode to 4444 and, in the same batch, also create ProRes Proxies (as an example)? And, can you select output destinations? Or, does it want to dump the new file into the same folder as the original? I'm using Assimilate Play Pro (came free with my Ninja) to transcode to CDNG 3:1. The interface on Play Pro sucks but once you figure it all out, it works well. But, then I have to do a second step to generate my working proxies for edit and mix (going back to CDNG for color and FX).
@soocmedia
@soocmedia 9 ай бұрын
Hi @TwoJaxSB, thanks so much for your comment. The answer is YES, you can set different output destinations as well as duplicating video files in a batch and setting different output file formats in the each one.
@stevejones01
@stevejones01 Жыл бұрын
ASSIMILATE Player Pro 9.6 will out put to DNG for all cameras makes as well as all Prores flavors. It is the best solution for Windows workflow and no need for anything Adobe or Apple.
@soocmedia
@soocmedia Жыл бұрын
I use RawConverter on Mac, not sure if there is a Windows version. If I recall correcly it's quite a bit cheaper than Assim as well.
@stevejones01
@stevejones01 Жыл бұрын
@@soocmedia I used that too on a MAC (that is the only reason I use my Mac). However, it is 80 bucks per camera and it doesn't do Panasonic S5. I then bring it back to Windows and Resolve. Raw Converter on Mac only converts to DNG. Player Pro does DNG and I can also convert any raw file to another color space as well. Slog3 to Arri and so forth while controlling the ISO and other raw stuff (with complete meta data) before transcribing to ProRes 444 (pretty much the same as raw in Resolve). I no longer need a MAC, or any Adobe product. It's the perfect workflow for me on Windows. I needed Adobe Premiere or a MAC before this. @ 300 buck it was an easy decision for me.
@soocmedia
@soocmedia Жыл бұрын
@@stevejones01 Thanks for the extra info and that’s great you managed to get to your ideal situation without the need for a Mac & Adobe:). Personally I just want it converted to DNG to be able to install into DaVinci, where I can do whatever I need with it:).
@azamat19
@azamat19 Жыл бұрын
i honestly think this video is not helping anyone, as it shows the worst way to transcode. but i can see how happy you have been for a brief moment :)
@soocmedia
@soocmedia Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and continuing the ongoing dialogue with your comment:). Btw, what do you use to transcode?
@azamat19
@azamat19 Жыл бұрын
@@soocmedia im going crazy because of this problem. I have a s5 and tried raw convertor. The good thing about this, that indeed it gives the raw option of vlog/vgamut in davinci raw tab. With assimilate dng conversion we can only use blackmagic film. But here are the problems: With cinemadng in vlog color profile it gives slightly different image than a prores4444 file created with assimilate. It's similar but colors (greens) and contrast are slightly different. I don't know if this is because of how davinci debayers it? If i choose blackmagic film, then the picture is even more similar to the prores4444 file created with final cut. Its somewhere between the dng with vlog and the prores file. If i convert to cinema dng with assimilate it looks like blackmagic film with raw convertor but depending on the color management, it always gives different results and the worst thing is that when i generate optimized media, the image gets more saturation and contrast. I think theres something wrong with resolves handling of cinemadng. I think the best way to convert the prores raw files is finalcut doing a batch export. If someone doesn't have final cut, i think assimilate is the most easy one. But it costs 150euro. I will stick with raw convertor and generate optimized media in resolve. Though picture is not exactly the same as the final cut/assimilate created prores4444 files, it does not look wrong. All in all there is no perfect solution for this really painful problem. Anyway i enjoy your channel and didn't intend to be without respect to you. I just went through 2 nights testing everything and watched your video briefly thinking it might be a solution hehe.
@guglielmo_nature_photography
@guglielmo_nature_photography 3 ай бұрын
@@azamat19 this has something to do with your monitor calibration anc output gamma, you have a gamma issue if i understoom correctly. quick fix is to output with the right color space transform
@ScottJeschke
@ScottJeschke Жыл бұрын
Thanks! This is definitely the best current solution for maintaining quality and fidelity for DaVinci grading. Unfortunately, though, you lose the RAW capabilities when converting to pro res. So there's no post ability to change ISO, White balance, etc as you would have with RAW. Having said that, though. many films are shot in pro res 4444, so its not like it's a detrimental format. Definitely still allows for a ton of post flexibility.
@soocmedia
@soocmedia Жыл бұрын
Pleasure and yes you are correct about the losing the RAW functionalities. It is quite incredible how much data is retained in the 4444 files, which do give quite a bit of playing around in post and as you say that supports the fact that films can sometimes be shot at such a codec, because it does give you some extra wiggle room later on. For maintaining RAW I use RawConverter, which I find is really great:).
@ScottJeschke
@ScottJeschke Жыл бұрын
@@soocmedia thanks, man! I might have to check out that raw converter
@undefwun2135
@undefwun2135 8 ай бұрын
i got to like 3:30 and was wondering (since I literally just looked at getting Atomos ninja/shogun for the first time) they can record DNG instead of ProRes and that wasn't mentioned at this stage. Is that new compared to the ninja v?
@soocmedia
@soocmedia 8 ай бұрын
Hi, thanks for the comment. Oh wow I didn’t know the Ninja / Shogun can record DNG, I need to look into this, as it would be incredible if we could bypass the conversion stage. So, wow this is new info for me, I have both the Ninja V & a Shogun Connect, so let me check into this, thanks 🙏.
@undefwun2135
@undefwun2135 7 ай бұрын
@soocmedia I was on the official site, and the info is for the new models. Not sure how it applies to older models.
@soocmedia
@soocmedia 7 ай бұрын
Oooooooh I'm gonna have a look now:).@@undefwun2135
@soocmedia
@soocmedia 7 ай бұрын
Mmm, I haven't found anything regarding DNG recording, where abouts did you see it?@@undefwun2135
@undefwun2135
@undefwun2135 7 ай бұрын
@@soocmedia yeah my brain lied to me. it was Avid DNx. Which is just about as good as ProRes, with various levels of compression just like ProRes but its not DNG and its not raw. My bad.
@simonanthonytrudeau7898
@simonanthonytrudeau7898 Жыл бұрын
you exported in Apple ProRes 4444 in REC709? Does Compressor give you the capability to convert the RAW footage to a certain Color Space and gamma?
@soocmedia
@soocmedia Жыл бұрын
Yes, it automatically output it to Rec 709. There is a section where you can input the colour space to Rec 709, Rec 2020, PQ, HLG, etc. Further, you can input camera log as well, but there is no option to input the gamma.
@simonanthonytrudeau7898
@simonanthonytrudeau7898 Жыл бұрын
@@soocmedia thanks for the reply 🙏
@petrub27
@petrub27 Жыл бұрын
this sucks, that's why no one is talking about it. you need to be in the apple eco system, it output rec 709, but I want to do hdr out of the raw files. rubbish solution. and you pay 50 quid
@soocmedia
@soocmedia Жыл бұрын
@@petrub27 Thanks for your comment Petru. Yea you are it is for those in the Apple ecosystem and when you need a quick get out of jail solution for getting RAW into program I use like DaVinci. What program do you use to convert video files and are you on Mac or PC?
@tylerjanik2132
@tylerjanik2132 9 ай бұрын
If your gonna compress from raw Go DNG so you can actually use the raw tab in resolve. If you want to just change to pro res I would use 4444xq not 4444. Xq is extreme quality! Honestly "raw converter" is best and it's only 80 usd. The best but most convulted way is using final cut or premiere to actually adjust iso and other raw settings, export to pro res 4444xq, then finally bring files into resolve. Resolve is the best. I just use raw converter and go straight to resolve with dng files and adjust my color management and raw settings and go to raw tab in color page and switch settings to clip and your good to go!
@soocmedia
@soocmedia 8 ай бұрын
Agreed on the 4444xq & compressor really is there to be used as a quick way to get a “near raw” quality video file into Resolve & especially if you have shot it correctly you shouldn’t need to adjust the ISO, etc very much. I do also use Raw Converter if I truly want to get “raw” inside DVR:).
@JonPais
@JonPais Жыл бұрын
Compressor is a poor choice. You do not want to color correct in a display referred color space like rec.709 or rec.2020. Assimiliate is the best choice.
@soocmedia
@soocmedia Жыл бұрын
Hi Jon, thanks for the comment and yea sure Compressor does have it's limitations. It's great if you just quickly need to convert a RAW file into something Davinci can use quickly and as long as you don't need to do much to it and using the Rec 709 colour space. When I'm going fully RAW I looked at Assimilate, but went with Raw Converter, as it's cheaper and does all I need it to.
@BeneFilmt
@BeneFilmt Жыл бұрын
But do you have all the RAW features in resolve?
@NikolajKrobaer
@NikolajKrobaer Жыл бұрын
Its not Raw so he wont have RAW features.
@soocmedia
@soocmedia Жыл бұрын
No, you do lose the RAW features. For that I use RAWConverter
@kjvisual7
@kjvisual7 7 ай бұрын
Oh ya, that Raw Convertor app didn't work that great for me. Sure I got the raw Cinema DNG. It seemed cool until... (I'm pasting a comment I left on someone elses video) Yikes! I don't think this is the best solution. I was hopeful that it preserves everything when converting to DNG. And maybe it does. I wish the developer was transparent regarding how the software works. But it seems to be adding data. I used the free & uncompressed process. My test had a color band in a highlight area. The highlight was from a wall sconce that was exposed near limit. The wall is green but the band midway in the highlight gradient, but very close to the light source was reddish. It was very noticeable and potentially difficult to remove in Resolve. That color band could not be seen in real life. As for other software processing, did not see the band in FCP or when I converted the file with Compressor @ 4444-XQ.
@Motortriker
@Motortriker 11 ай бұрын
I don’t get why you’re doing this. Atomos gave me free licence key for Assimilate. Turns your ProRes RAW files to CinemaDNG. Resolve imports this as single raw file so you can adjust exposure, white balance, tint etc at RAW level. Makes no sense to convert to ProRes 444 and miss out on raw tools in Resolve. If Atomos haven’t given you Assimilate key then contact their brilliant customer support. I am sure they will hook you up
@1Firstdivision
@1Firstdivision 10 ай бұрын
Thanks man!
@BreezeA
@BreezeA 10 ай бұрын
true. just that the offer is time limited. offer ends this Aug 31st 2023
@XInfinity2024
@XInfinity2024 5 ай бұрын
Good news to everyone that all of you could get a free 90 day free trial of Final Cut Pro directly though apple then when those 90 days are up you can roll back the date 90 days and get another 90 days (until Apple changes that)
@paulo.mesquita
@paulo.mesquita 8 ай бұрын
Prores 4444 is now RAW, so you lose the RAW adjustments
@soocmedia
@soocmedia 8 ай бұрын
Hi, thanks for the comment. Yes sure it’s correct that ProRes 4444 is not RAW. The main reason for the video, was that ideally you will have shot the video clips with the correct ISO levels, etc and so for a fast track route of getting your RAW files into DVR, Compressor sure is that ticket. Thanks again for your comment 🙏.
@godface81
@godface81 9 ай бұрын
Thats a cool workaround. Im on pc so basically had no choice to go with rawconverter in app store though i have no complaints at all with it. Super easy to use and cost me 75$ US , very fast as well. I notice davinci displays the raw options very nicely for the CDNG files out of rawconverter, So I wonder how davinci displays options for the prores 4444, Like highlight recovery, exposure ect. Im new to prores my lumix does internal 422 but i decided to get a ninja for pro res raw also got a black magic assist 5 to compare braw, still have both as I like them for different reasons. also was wondering if final cut compressor gives option for different compression rates and lossless. I tried using the ASSIMILATE program and absolutely couldnt stand it, The interface is god awful I used it for 5 minutes and uninstalled fast. People looking just get this compressor or the rawconverter app that thing is a joy to use. cheers
@JoeVazquezProductorMusical
@JoeVazquezProductorMusical 7 ай бұрын
Hi buddy, Apple doesn't resolve that issue with that crap app. It is a crap issue when we can't get ISO and Kelvin options like Apple ProResRAW. This mafia and fight between Blackmagic offering BRAW is better "when it is not" and Apple offering ProRes RAW "the original and best option" has tired many of us professionals who dedicate ourselves to the filming industry. How is it possible that Davinci resolve can edit ProRes but not ProRes RAW? It's stupid of them. They seem like little kids fighting their best version, meanwhile adobe premiere, final cut "apple owner" can edit RAW. Blackmagic should release the option because they look very bad for that. It's all marketing to make more money with us.
@soocmedia
@soocmedia 7 ай бұрын
Hey Joe, I totally feel your pain. It is extremely frustrating on the whole RAW front and yea initially when I did the video I genuinely believed I found a way to circumvent the issue, but yea as you say at the moment there really isn't a way to do it and particularly because BMD have their own BRAW format and us using DVR, we have to really play their game frustratingly. So, in the end I have been using RAW Converter to maintain the RAWness which is a good work around and I use compression when I know my footage is on point SOOC and it doesn't require any ISO or kelvin adjustments. So yea, it's annoying indeed but the key to us surviving and succeeding at what we do is to see the obstacles in front of us and jump over them or dive under them, just don't forget your Indy hat on the other side :-).
@vaidasmiskunas2331
@vaidasmiskunas2331 4 ай бұрын
As simple as that if would have apple pc i would buy Final cut pro,why the hell i need Davinchi or anything else?
@MUTABAZISTUDIOS
@MUTABAZISTUDIOS 8 ай бұрын
Why shooting RAW for transform it into prores prior any process? You loose all the flexibility of Raw ! If you have an Atomos device you can claim a free license of Assimilate instead!
@VErmuratski
@VErmuratski 10 ай бұрын
Use DNG man... DNG... DNG Converter is available for Macs and Windows users
@soocmedia
@soocmedia 10 ай бұрын
Agreed, yea that's what I do when I need to keep things as "raw" as possible:). Thanks for the comment.
@ultimecraft
@ultimecraft Жыл бұрын
DONT DO THAT YOUR NOT GETTING RIGHT COLOR you lose everything that is cool with raw even normal log will be better. That’s not the right color space you skip one step (raw->LOG->rec709)
@soocmedia
@soocmedia Жыл бұрын
Sure, if you want to go full fat RAW, then as we've mentioned there are other options available. I'm looking at you RAW Converter & Assimilate:).
@kjvisual7
@kjvisual7 7 ай бұрын
First of all, thanks for pointing me in this direction. I forgot about Compressor. I happen to already have it. WOW at first I was thinking this was just an OK solution, well until I found the Inspector Tab. Lots of control can be had there. Open up the Setting Tab and you can base a preset off of the Prores variant you want. Since the goal of raw is the ability to grade and edit with as much information as possible, you can make a preset that is really helpful. I like using 4444-XQ with 2020-HLG (same as 2100 HLG) then let Compressor get the log preference from the camera's meta data, and choose none for the LUT. This all creates a super flat easy to work with file. Ummm, ya, a super large file, it's 4x the original. With Resolve set to manage the colors, it will provide a great starting place to begin work on the Color page. Huh, I'm content with this solution. BTW, Adobe Encoder is a good conversion tool too.
@mylesconti1437
@mylesconti1437 9 ай бұрын
I'm sorry, but this is not good advice. As others have commented, you are losing all of the benefits of RAW. You would be better off recording to ProRes 4444 or 4444HQ on your Atomos, thus avoiding having to convert altogether. Otherwise converting to Cinema DNG is definitely the better way to work if you want to keep a RAW workflow and have access to all of the colour benefits associated with this.
@2424rocket
@2424rocket 6 ай бұрын
Wow… Anybody ever say that you get to the point. Your video could’ve been 45 seconds long.
@soocmedia
@soocmedia 6 ай бұрын
Yea it probably could have been shorter, but heyho it’s not:). Thanks for stopping by though.
@CarlosPlazola
@CarlosPlazola 6 ай бұрын
This is no solution, this only just a placebo. This video is totally a waste of time. If we would like to use Prores we would rec the whole thing in Prores in camera.
@soocmedia
@soocmedia 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for your contribution to the conversation.
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