Easiest Way to Dial in a BORE HEAD | DVF 5000 5 Axis CNC Machine

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How to use and setup the Kennametal E-Bore Boring Head. Used on the DVF 5000 from DN Solutions.
Jessie shows you there's a better way to bore out holes. From building the Kennametal E-bore Tool, setting the tool on the Haimer Microset UNO, to boring out a PERFECT intolerance hole on DN Solutions DVF 5000. Jessie will give you everything you need to know to hit those perfect tolerance holes.
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@unknownplayer7127
@unknownplayer7127 2 жыл бұрын
We use Kaiser boringhead's in our shop with analogue dial's and we also hit really tight tolerances with those tools. It's just all about being focused when doing precise work. You made a point by losing count yes, but when you know you are doing something exact just don't get distracted. If your buddy that came to ask you something is a machinist too he should be able to understand that you are doing something where you gotta be focused. All in all it is a cool tool and useful if you are not used to it.
@importanttingwei7747
@importanttingwei7747 2 жыл бұрын
it's now OK to ask all sorts of questions including stupid ones using the Kennametal boring bar as it doesn't lose count
@matejkuka797
@matejkuka797 2 жыл бұрын
because TITANS are usually only buisness model of youtubing :D bro you cannot take every word they say :) they show us so many tips and tricks i agree but i think every normal cnc machinist,programer must know these things withou TITANS if dont is not good operator,machinist,programator :)
@grahamkeegan2706
@grahamkeegan2706 2 жыл бұрын
its not usually a workmate that's the problem. I usually find its management ! (Particularly the ones who came off the shop floor who SHOULD know better)
@GrumpyMachinist
@GrumpyMachinist 2 жыл бұрын
Damn straight!
@spartanpatriot3163
@spartanpatriot3163 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, some of us used to hold +\~ .0002 on 60 year old Bridgeports on a boring head with no adjustable cross slide, just a half thousandth indicator and some tappy tappy
@guardmanonduty5139
@guardmanonduty5139 2 жыл бұрын
Another awesone video by Titan, personally never went off the dial as a tool and die maker, always setup a tenths indicator off the side for opening up the bore. I can't even imagine working in a place with all this modern tech. My shop has such old equipment.
@daveticino1
@daveticino1 2 жыл бұрын
You can immagine how often the digital dial take a fly throug the tangent 😁
@Stasiek_Zabojca
@Stasiek_Zabojca 2 жыл бұрын
I saw video about this thing long time ago on Kennametal channel. As far as I remember, it's designed to fall off as soon as the tool starts to rotate and should survive impact into wall of the machine.
@ImPaCTSnYpEr
@ImPaCTSnYpEr 2 жыл бұрын
That thing better be bulletproof!
@SE4RCHING
@SE4RCHING 2 жыл бұрын
That's why u just get a digital boring bar...
@marctapparo5049
@marctapparo5049 11 ай бұрын
Maybe itll find the rest of my indicator I threw a while back
@saschafunk1644
@saschafunk1644 2 жыл бұрын
I still heared from this system, but never seen one in action before. Thank you for showing. At my workplace, we have very tight tolerances at our workpieces to produce. Sometimes it is not allowed to open the window or door, because the change in room temperature can affects the result of the bore diameter. Also the coolant must cooled down to 20 degrees celsius, before starting the boreing process. Greetings from Germany.
@saschafunk1644
@saschafunk1644 2 жыл бұрын
@@mostlymotorized We have measuring pins for bores up to 10 mm. They are polished and manufactured with an accuracy of 0.0001 mm. Each diameter comes into a set of 100 pins with tight gradations. Every bore that has a larger diameter is measured with 3-point probes that can measure to an accuracy of 0.001 mm. The bore tools we use, are manufactured by KAISER in Germany an have an accuracy of 0,001 mm. All measuring tools are stored in an climate box and getting checkt each half year from an certified calibrating laboratory.
@mendadrog
@mendadrog 2 жыл бұрын
you live the dream. In summer my workshop is around 38 degrees, the enclosure of my machine is at 45 degrees and I'm suppose to get tight tolerances of 0 +0.02 😓
@saschafunk1644
@saschafunk1644 2 жыл бұрын
@@mendadrog this is absolutely bad for the quality of your product output. The foundry, I am working for, is the world leader in its market. To stay the best in the world, needing a lot of innovations and manpower. Actually we build up an second machining center and needing in the next two years 100 machinists and people for our tool management. East 1995 we are using 3D printing technology in industrial scale. All our products are Prototypes and the world is needing more and more of this hy quality products. So the future looks very good for us. We have Offices in Bangalore - India and Ann Arbor - North America. More than 1700 Custumors in 37 Countries. The name of the company is ACTech GmbH, located in Freiberg - Saxony in Germany. The ACT means Advanced Casting Technologies.
@MansonMachineWorks
@MansonMachineWorks 2 жыл бұрын
How many of those are going to get flung off and smashed when someone forgets it on the tool?
@BloodThunda
@BloodThunda 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, why not just make a digital boring bar -_-
@Th4thWiseman
@Th4thWiseman 2 жыл бұрын
Also I noticed he's boring both down and no Q retract from an M98 spindle position so I'm predicting he's not using a G76 boring cycle, moreso just basic plunge feed and return feed.
@JohnBlaze505
@JohnBlaze505 2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget it on the tool then. 😉
@deepeshkumar5408
@deepeshkumar5408 2 жыл бұрын
i was about to say that
@EggiXPL
@EggiXPL 2 жыл бұрын
We are using this stuff for years and never had one of us forgotten to remove it, i had the same thought in the beginning when we started using them
@SeraphinFox
@SeraphinFox 2 жыл бұрын
As a machinist who started out boring with boring bars both with AND without those dials, I'd have KILLED for something like that. I always dreaded having to change the inserts on my boring bar. It was a custom built bar with multiple inserts going down it and cut 5 diameters at once, each a different size. NO DIALS. Each insert had a set screw that could be used to adjust the insert and, therefore the diameter of the corresponding bore. Bringing each one into size was a chore, especially making all adjustments by feel with allen keys. I can almost guarantee that company is still using them too. Glad to see that something far better is out there.
@h2opower
@h2opower 2 жыл бұрын
That tool is nice! Thanks for posting this video as it shows we can all do better if we keep up with the times and I am sure many are like me and never knew this tool existed.
@deathness13
@deathness13 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the lesson .. that tool adjustment was at another level .. just amazing !!
@nathanthomas8184
@nathanthomas8184 2 жыл бұрын
Calibration just became easy with your DD ,what a handy little sucker Titans T-Team play hard to teach with passion....BOOM.....
@darrellhart9363
@darrellhart9363 2 жыл бұрын
I am just amazed at today machines. I am thankful to see stuff like this it's a education on line and one of the biggest reason for the internet. These machines are light-years past the old bridge port, and davin port I used just out of high school none of this computer stuff I'm lost just watching this and in wonder what is ahead thanks for the video.
@jmowreader9555
@jmowreader9555 2 жыл бұрын
What is ahead is dark manufacturing, where robots cut the stock, load it into your machine and run the job with no human intervention required. In 2009 I was hauling beer out of Anheuser-Busch’s brewery outside Syracuse, NY. They’ve got a huge warehouse where they keep the deliverable beer. Distributors send in their orders via EDI. There’s a little office that assigns these orders to particular docks. A Teamster backs your empty trailer into a dock. When it’s there, all these little robotic forklifts immediately pull your order and put it in your trailer; the only possible point of failure is if the wrong trailer was put in the dock. So, basically, we’re all going to be administrators in the future. Consider Titan’s shop. Titan doesn’t employ engineers; all his work comes in pre-designed. There’s no reason why a computer and robots couldn’t look at each job as it came in to assign it to a machine, order materials, set up all the tooling, load and run the jobs, do QC on the finished pieces, crate them and load the trucks with the finished work. Same thing with most of the skilled trades. However, he’d need a lot more floor space for maneuver paths for the robots.
@darrellhart9363
@darrellhart9363 2 жыл бұрын
@@jmowreader9555 well that's if we let them, and yet their are no robots to fix the robots so humans aren't out of the picture yet. BUT ONE DAY and we know it's coming!
@jmowreader9555
@jmowreader9555 2 жыл бұрын
@@darrellhart9363 Yes, "robot maintenance technician" is the growth profession of the 21st Century.
@spartanpatriot3163
@spartanpatriot3163 2 жыл бұрын
Button pushers lol, I’ve never messed with CNC but it was funny watching CNC guys come into the shop I worked at, they learned really fast that they weren’t machinists.
@romekkis2776
@romekkis2776 2 жыл бұрын
pffff...)))) while you are setting up, I would have time to make a rough and finish pass.... Of course, you have good equipment, in any case, thanks for the knowledge) With love from Russia ;)
@nicolespittler9530
@nicolespittler9530 Жыл бұрын
I love seeing the Haimer Microset in action! Very cool!
@steinarne79
@steinarne79 2 жыл бұрын
Really love the way you guys use tool presetter and everything. The only thing I would say could be done otherwise - that our company got - is to get that software to print out a QR code on the lable, and install a QR code scanner into the machine. It will delete the last possible human error, not reading anything, and not puching in any digits. Awesome video!
@ktmturbo5836
@ktmturbo5836 2 жыл бұрын
We have the Numbers put in the mashine by wifi. No need for qr scanner of you have wifi.
@daveticino1
@daveticino1 2 жыл бұрын
Even better is a RFID chip on the tool holder that has all the data. We had it already 20 years ago on a Mandelli Milling center
@ktmturbo5836
@ktmturbo5836 2 жыл бұрын
@@daveticino1 so tell me what is the bennefits rfid chip?
@daveticino1
@daveticino1 2 жыл бұрын
While presenting the tool you put the data in the chip of that is attached to the tool holder, when you put the tool inside the ATC the machine reads the data. So you can swap tools between machines without risk of collisions
@ktmturbo5836
@ktmturbo5836 2 жыл бұрын
@@daveticino1 we never swap Tools in our mashines. Thats the same as swearing in the church.
@bboydrummer1
@bboydrummer1 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Something satisfying about boring especially seeing the finish after.
@atmosphericpressure3560
@atmosphericpressure3560 2 жыл бұрын
I used to adjust the boring head on the spindle sweeping the insert tip against a dial indicator (.0001) This is awesome.
@JiuJitsuStuTru
@JiuJitsuStuTru 2 жыл бұрын
The best way right here!
@Ken-nv2hl
@Ken-nv2hl 2 жыл бұрын
This fancy boring head looks like a waste of money to me. Nothing wrong with using a dial indicator method on.normal boring head.
@TorchRed99FRC
@TorchRed99FRC 2 жыл бұрын
I was going to say this but found it in the comments first.
@atmosphericpressure3560
@atmosphericpressure3560 2 жыл бұрын
@@TorchRed99FRC A "grayhair" taught me that a long time ago. Titan and crew are on some next level sh*t. Im just tryna keep up.🤣
@Sara-TOC
@Sara-TOC 2 жыл бұрын
All of the high tech equipment is impressive! I have experience with Dykem, trusty Post-It Notes, and Tool Eyes (when you could trust them) hahaha The Haimer Uno looks like a blessing in disguise, ease of use to the operator and those who don't have eagle eye vision. Chips on some inserts can be insanely small and just as difficult to see under a standard backlit magnifying glass. Awesome video!
@tommytwotimes2838
@tommytwotimes2838 2 жыл бұрын
We use RFID chips for all information about tool lenght, no Stickers or something! All information fully automated saved and updated. Industry 4.0 Germany :) Company big Kaiser has digital display tools for boring, so nothing really new ;)
@mohammedalbattal77
@mohammedalbattal77 2 жыл бұрын
I came late to see this video...Last week has been very difficult for me ...Thank you Mr. Jesse for such a great job that makes the mood better ....
@joshb4544
@joshb4544 Жыл бұрын
That's so awesome. I had that happen to me on my first set of boring operations at my first job. At some point a coworker came by looking for something and being friendly. That was enough for me to completely lose my rhythm, and I think I ended up doubling up on my second cut, which took the bore just out of tolerance. I let my boss know. Unfortunately, it was a piece of like 4-5" thick steel, and we didn't have the stock to just fire off another. I felt bad about that one.
@chisdalton9652
@chisdalton9652 Жыл бұрын
I worked for a small minded company in Sheffield England after 6 months of excellent work. Despite getting them out of the suit numerous times they thought they would dock me 6 hours pay.... I left that place they say after
@jmowreader9555
@jmowreader9555 2 жыл бұрын
What would be REALLY cool is if all this equipment was networked. In that system, instead of Jessie having to plug the numbers off the Haimer print into his mill’s console, the Haimer would transmit them directly to it…no chance of transcription errors.
2 жыл бұрын
It's a pre-setter. Normally prepare tools for the next job while one is running. So not best to change tool offsets while another job is running.
@TorchRed99FRC
@TorchRed99FRC 2 жыл бұрын
You can get rfid tags in the retention knobs and Zoller has a presenter that can do it. I’m sure the haimer probably could too.
@MillTurn4Life
@MillTurn4Life Жыл бұрын
I might be getting confused with a different vid but I thunk you can save them to a USB stick and transfer all the tool for the job simultaneously. Again I might be wrong haha
@roylucas4414
@roylucas4414 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible tool. Thank you.
@robertminnicks1136
@robertminnicks1136 Жыл бұрын
Dang made life a lot easier after 30 yrs, this is cool stuff.
@archicebunker2210
@archicebunker2210 2 жыл бұрын
Smooth as Tennessee whiskey, damn good presentation Jesse !
@fisherholmsfly
@fisherholmsfly 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for teaching about that very cool tool!
@Smiggi_Inks
@Smiggi_Inks Жыл бұрын
Kaiser heads are the best I've used. Digital and does exactly what you tell it to do every time.
@EZ_shop
@EZ_shop 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome demo Jessie. Ciao, Marco.
@andreasdietrich4972
@andreasdietrich4972 2 жыл бұрын
once had a tight tolerance in polyoxymethylene (POM) with 21,9 (+-0,005) mm and this tool actually helped me get them all perfect. and btw: your tip with loosening up the vice before you go for tight tolerances saved me really. keep the good videos up :)
@boerke123
@boerke123 2 жыл бұрын
How well did the mate stay in the material overtime, in my experience its really hard to keep it at a tight tolerance
@andreasdietrich4972
@andreasdietrich4972 2 жыл бұрын
@@boerke123 since it was only 8 holes total and I only had to take off .05mm in the soft material the insert was like brand new aafterwards I think it really comes down to what material you are machining and how well built the tool is
@jessyltr581
@jessyltr581 Жыл бұрын
120k views in 5 minutes... machining's futur is bright! Keep it up :) 🤘🏼
@harindugamlath
@harindugamlath 2 жыл бұрын
That's super useful.
@freddepauw
@freddepauw 2 жыл бұрын
Nice new technology..thanks for sharing..I still use dail indicators..
@ipadize
@ipadize 2 жыл бұрын
have you seen the "spindle inside a spindle" from Heller? thats Heller cool you can change the cutting diameter while the spindle is turning.
@Kardos55
@Kardos55 2 жыл бұрын
Cool and useful gadget!
@barrysetzer
@barrysetzer 2 жыл бұрын
Now that is COOL. Way easier than the usual boring heads
@UrsusSuperior44
@UrsusSuperior44 2 жыл бұрын
How's your eyesight my man, Jessie telling the truth? 😂
@MrMBinder
@MrMBinder 2 жыл бұрын
@@UrsusSuperior44 Hey, enough with the shade. A lot of us don't have perfect hearing after years of machining 🤣
@trevorgoforth8963
@trevorgoforth8963 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Barry, how many fingers am I holding up ✌😂
@RAGEAMUS
@RAGEAMUS 2 жыл бұрын
Great video .
@gooblio
@gooblio 2 жыл бұрын
Oh hell yeah. I want one 🤩
@daddyfatsakz98
@daddyfatsakz98 Жыл бұрын
What's Krazy to me all the trial and error to get to this level machinery and craftsmanship impressive...
@michaelespiritu2908
@michaelespiritu2908 Жыл бұрын
this clicking mechanism is awesome.
@jamiemacdonald436
@jamiemacdonald436 2 жыл бұрын
Poor Barry. 😢
@DavidHerscher
@DavidHerscher 2 жыл бұрын
LOL, is it just me, or has this channel turned into QVC home shopping network for machinists?
@shutupstoopid4518
@shutupstoopid4518 2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff....thanks
@rb8049
@rb8049 2 жыл бұрын
This is just awesome. I can imagine even more tech and automation to ease this process. Still too manual for super efficient production.
@blueovalfan23
@blueovalfan23 2 жыл бұрын
You'd be shocked at what those boreheads will do. We, myself and the kid I trained, make .0001 adjustments while feeding an assembly line the old fashioned way, dial tools. It really boils down to keeping it in spec but it's not hard without the digital reader.
@Enrios
@Enrios 2 жыл бұрын
just use the dial. you don't need a 35 000 pre setter
@jamesfarrell2084
@jamesfarrell2084 18 күн бұрын
That's something I need
@jessearendse9557
@jessearendse9557 Жыл бұрын
We use d'Andrea and Sandvik, and I can wholeheartedly say that d'Andrea is way better than Sandvik. I'll have to be making adjustments after every part with the Sandvik and I've never touched the d'Andrea since changing the insert 60 parts ago!
@swikocki
@swikocki 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent, use of technology. Can the display be used on multiple bars and does it remember the size of each bar? Also what happens if the display isn’t removed, can the machine be started?
@sangeenshahkhan
@sangeenshahkhan 4 ай бұрын
You can also use a dial gage on the cutting edge of the boring head to measure for the backlash. 1, Set your boring head. 2, cut a test whole and measure the whole for actual cut settings. 3, set a dial gage on the cutting bar3, 4, final set the boring head and make sure the dial gage readings confirm the radius you are dealing in on the boring head. I know its cumbersome but certainly doable without breaking the bank.
@Suckmyjagon
@Suckmyjagon 2 жыл бұрын
Wait you mean a home made gig with a fine thread bolt as the jack isn't the industry standard.
@wordwyrd
@wordwyrd 2 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure it's not entirely uncommon..
@wordwyrd
@wordwyrd 2 жыл бұрын
..and to be honest, most things can be corcle milled on a CNC and be well within tolerance.
@MrMBinder
@MrMBinder 2 жыл бұрын
@@wordwyrd They sure can. A lot of things are just more practical than circle milling, though. At a previous workplace, I was producing these big cast bronze parts with one crazy tolerance after the other in some very deep holes. I would hate making a 400mm deep hole with a smooth finish with anything but a tool like this.
@wordwyrd
@wordwyrd 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrMBinder oh definitely. I meant "most" to mean there are obviously exceptions.
@12rew
@12rew 2 жыл бұрын
I want to learn from you. Boom💖
@jtrent3960
@jtrent3960 2 жыл бұрын
LMAO elderly like Barry.. wish I could come from KY and show you the old man luck lol. Great video and great work guys
@brassmonkey6942069
@brassmonkey6942069 2 жыл бұрын
i used that setter at Columbia Machine in Vancouver,Wa
@trevorgoforth8963
@trevorgoforth8963 2 жыл бұрын
I used to live in Vancouver, WA! Ever heard of a company called US Digital?
@royzomer6729
@royzomer6729 2 жыл бұрын
Love your video's!!! But with all the respect, I've been using digital boring heads for over 20 years now. Even the newer generation were you are able to read your size out on your phone. I really hate to ad stuff to tools that rotate at those speeds.
@Revilokab
@Revilokab 2 жыл бұрын
When using a boring head in a CNC machine how does the retract work.? Do you just feed it out? I would think it would take a small spring pass cut on the way out then. Probably bad for the finish and could introduce chatter. Any insight would be greatly appreciated
@jetfire5991
@jetfire5991 2 жыл бұрын
Most CNC mills have monitored spindle orientation, so you can easily just tell the machine to stop the tool, set the spindle to a preset orientation, move the cutting edge 0.1mm away from the bore diameter and retract in rapid. We got a ~30 year old cnc mill with a sub-routine for that out of the box, where we just tell it how deep to bore with a parameter and all we have to do beforehand is mount the boring head in the right orientation
@Revilokab
@Revilokab 2 жыл бұрын
@@jetfire5991 Ok thanks. That makes sense. I’ve been curious about this for a while. I thought I saw at one point in the video the tool spinning as it came out. It may of even been on the finish pass.
@jetfire5991
@jetfire5991 2 жыл бұрын
@@Revilokab it might have been, since a spring pass is just a result of tool deflection. That boring head they're using in the video looks really rigid, and they are only removing like ~0.1mm each side, so I imagine that spring pass that would happen to be next to non-existent. I'm just speaking from my experience, since we're usually trying to hit the dimension with a single pass to save on cycle time, and depending on the material, that spring pass for us could make a difference of 0.01mm in mild steel (~0.0005") or 0.05mm in stainless (~0.002"), so we're usually using the routine for pulling away to avoid that.
@pablov9212
@pablov9212 2 жыл бұрын
subroutines are great, but most newer machines have a handful of canned cycles just for boring. writing a subroutine would have the same result. IIRC, theres a cycle to orient the spindle and retract a spscific distance in I and J, dwell at the bottom and feed out, feed in and feed out at different rates, feed in and rapid out maybe? probably for spring loaded tools on the rapid out. it's been a while for me, so I don't know them off hand. as with mosy things, it always depends on the job. is it a short run of one offs? are you trying to shave seconds off a production cycle that rapid is worth risking? is there a surface finish callout? maybe they want a cross hatch on the cylinder walls that an abrasive will touch up minor scuffs afterwards. have pride in your work, but make sure you're not doing unnecessary work for free.
@MrMBinder
@MrMBinder 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, not at all boring 🤔
@bsealer
@bsealer 4 ай бұрын
We use those bar style for roughing and finishing, but I don't think they hold up as well as the older style finish bars But our bars get used hard. And I always make my adjustments in the tool setter But it would be great not having to take the bar out to make the adjustments
@MisterHPI
@MisterHPI 4 ай бұрын
If trying to hold a close tolerance AND make the best possible finish, is it still normal practice to bore through the part then feed back out again? Doesn't the tip of the insert cut more material on the way up and/or compromise the finish you produced on the way down?
@darylh8657
@darylh8657 2 жыл бұрын
A way to improve efficiency is to print a QR-code on your tool labels that you can scan directly into the machine's tool set.
@JD-hh9io
@JD-hh9io 2 жыл бұрын
I just used an old Parlec pre setter.
@ahfreebird
@ahfreebird 2 жыл бұрын
I could tell he was trying to hold back a smile when the size right off the presetter would have put the part in tolerance. Of course, you don't go straight to size with your presetter, but in this case he totally could have.
@advil000
@advil000 2 жыл бұрын
It's not that simple exactly. If you already know what material you are boring, and you already know how much stock you are leaving, and you know what the setting needs to be with a certain amount of stock left to have just the right amount of tool pressure... then sure you could offset the number straight from the tool presetter and hit it bang on (Can I justify one of those for my garage? LOL). But that requires the exact thing these tools are meant to fix: You need a specific operator who knows the quirks of the specific tool in a specific material and knows what voodoo numbers to use for a particular job. That's all well and good and in a small shop environment it can work, but not ideal when you need 20 different people to be able to knock out a new random part out of a random material and hit the tolerance the first time.
@k9slayer
@k9slayer 2 жыл бұрын
you guys must cream yourselves with all that fab tooling and machines.
@seanmostert4213
@seanmostert4213 Жыл бұрын
The problem with this video is that I can’t hit the like button twice.
@Dot.774
@Dot.774 Жыл бұрын
What a a coincidence or what I was doing a part that looks almost the same at work drilled and bored but doing the old fashion way.
@MrJugsstein
@MrJugsstein 2 жыл бұрын
Next step is a WiFi one. Thanks for the video 😊
@andrewmillyard3162
@andrewmillyard3162 Жыл бұрын
Set mine using a clock against the bar. Universal solution
@BPond7
@BPond7 2 жыл бұрын
Poor Barry! I love that boring head, though. Can you say how much it costs?
@ipadize
@ipadize 2 жыл бұрын
yeah i wonder if it will cost a kidney :P
@MrPeteda
@MrPeteda 2 жыл бұрын
Yes we need to know the price.
@ratzor_x1923
@ratzor_x1923 2 жыл бұрын
We use big kaiser with a built in digital display Btw: why no spindlestop and spindleorientation when you reach the final depth and a small offset to get out of the hole? Sry, english is not my first language
@romekkis2776
@romekkis2776 2 жыл бұрын
He doesn't know about it)
@GrumpyMachinist
@GrumpyMachinist 2 жыл бұрын
We all get trapped in our ways sometimes and the simplest thing goes right over our head. In another comment a guy says he uses an indicator to adjust the boring tool in the machine. I do this method all the time for a lot of other tools but for some reason I was a dumbass and never thought of it because there is a dial. Screw the dial, I'll start using the indicator method, it's much more precise.
@Hani13ful
@Hani13ful 2 жыл бұрын
@@romekkis2776 😂
@ArikaStack
@ArikaStack Жыл бұрын
The problem with using a presenter to set boring bars, in my experience, is that the presenter doesn't measure the tool as it's cutting with the cutting pressure on it. I normally go .002 undersize to be safe and then work my way up. More for sub .0005 tolerances. Also, alot of boring bar adjustment is in how you tighten the set screw. Everyone has their own way. Kaiserheads aren't as bad but in my shop I rarely see them. Also spring passes. The nice thing is once a boring bar is dialed, it's dialed. The digital gauge would help with adjusting it though. You can note where your original adjustment left you and comp for your spring pass on the current and your first pass on future parts separately.
@adammiller4879
@adammiller4879 2 жыл бұрын
Does the display show the true radial movement or is it diameter . Like let’s say you have a 5.0000 hole, the first cut was at 4.995, would it be .0025 or .005 adjustment ? (Not accounting for tool pressure)
@TorchRed99FRC
@TorchRed99FRC 2 жыл бұрын
According to the video it goes off diameter.
@richardjurgens4511
@richardjurgens4511 2 жыл бұрын
Just to point out, no machinist worth his salt will trust the boring head dial alone. I would always use a dial on the tool as it is adjusted. That said, it’s a pretty sweet system.
@TommiHonkonen
@TommiHonkonen 2 жыл бұрын
we have tool setter but it broke about 5 years ago after a blackout
@holdilocks
@holdilocks 2 ай бұрын
What are the odds that any machine shop will make a good invesment like that?
@EggiXPL
@EggiXPL 2 жыл бұрын
Pro tip, use a torque wrench to tighten up the lock on the boring Head to get more equal results
@christianrees9564
@christianrees9564 2 жыл бұрын
Big Kaiser did that in like 2011 😬
@landonjacobs8392
@landonjacobs8392 2 жыл бұрын
I have a question how does the Haimer Uno know the length of the tool? Is the length of the tool the height of the tool or the diameter of the tool in the offset page for tool geometry?
@GrumpyMachinist
@GrumpyMachinist 2 жыл бұрын
It's the height. I've never used a tool setter like that but it's a safe assumption there is a machine zero that is set from a standard dimension of a CAT40 tapered holder.
@Joe___R
@Joe___R 2 жыл бұрын
That is a great feature to have, just don't forget to remove it before you turn it back on. That would be an expensive mistake.
@shaneparties1
@shaneparties1 2 жыл бұрын
You’d be surprised, our operators forget it time to time and it has held up so far so good
@raphrath8561
@raphrath8561 2 жыл бұрын
ok but like dial indicator in the shank measuring the tool
@chetanpadia4421
@chetanpadia4421 Жыл бұрын
You can't beat the Germans in this
@QurttoRco
@QurttoRco 8 ай бұрын
how well does it survive being yeeted into enclosure by centrifugal force ?
@ryandarrah4247
@ryandarrah4247 2 жыл бұрын
i lock the spindle, set up a .00005"indicator anto the head and adjust that way
@GrumpyMachinist
@GrumpyMachinist 2 жыл бұрын
OMG, I feel like a dumbass. Doh!! I use this method for a bunch of our other tools, I can't believe it went over my head to use this method for an adjustable boring tool.
@Kolokotrones
@Kolokotrones 2 жыл бұрын
I want to buy this just to somehow adapt it to work with my clapped out knee mill.
@bandunagalbone5562
@bandunagalbone5562 Жыл бұрын
Hi, sir we are using Wholehapter Boring head, we are getting same issue.
@mr.thomas6128
@mr.thomas6128 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe a little thing for automation. you are printing a label from the measuring machine. Then manually typing in that data on the label. Why not just have the measuring machine print a barcode 1D or 2D and then have a scanner on the mill, to scan said data in. This way you can't make a mistake in typing in said data from the tool
@TorchRed99FRC
@TorchRed99FRC 2 жыл бұрын
The operator could mess up transferring the length for Z or he could touch it off on the tool eye. I am assuming the program is going off the centerline of the tool so it won’t matter if the operator fat fingers the X and does t double check.
@bigdave6447
@bigdave6447 2 жыл бұрын
Always use a Wohlhaupter!!
@spartanpatriot3163
@spartanpatriot3163 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve never used a dial on any boring head, always used a .0001 indicator but then again that was many years ago lol, that’s pretty much all this is though.
@ryanbaker6059
@ryanbaker6059 Жыл бұрын
Did you bore all the way in then all the way out again? Do you not have spindle orientation? Just stop at the bottom, stop spindle, orientate, move off centre then rapid out. Halving the life of the insert doing it your way.
@tymekgoral4219
@tymekgoral4219 2 жыл бұрын
If your employer won’t buy a boring head like this would putting a clock on your insert do similar job ? With spindle locked in place . Just wondering 💭
@BrilliantDesignOnline
@BrilliantDesignOnline 2 жыл бұрын
Elderly machinist like Barry...LOL 🙂 I am sure he has one for you.
@danhnguyen435
@danhnguyen435 2 жыл бұрын
Boom
@jessyltr581
@jessyltr581 Жыл бұрын
Can you test at what rpms it flings off? If it flings off quick it aint no problem :)
@jessyltr581
@jessyltr581 Жыл бұрын
If it flings off at 6000rpms than its dangerous but if it flings off at 100 it might be just fine.
@slitaitana6212
@slitaitana6212 2 жыл бұрын
Do newer bore heads still have backlash or is there newer better technology? Seems like they should have covered removing the backlash in the adjustment.
@slitaitana6212
@slitaitana6212 2 жыл бұрын
Well seems they do! Was wondering why he didn't mention it on the tool setter.
@GrumpyMachinist
@GrumpyMachinist 2 жыл бұрын
It sounded like it has backlash but the digital readout won't register movement until you move forward, or rather increase boring diameter.
@slitaitana6212
@slitaitana6212 2 жыл бұрын
@@GrumpyMachinist yea i noticed that during the digital adjustments. pretty awesome tech not gunna lie!
@zHxIxPxPxIxEz
@zHxIxPxPxIxEz Жыл бұрын
Everything has backlash. Backlash isn't your enemy, worn/sloppy ways are. Drunk threads and ignoring the foundations of mechanical accuracy are your enemy. Also there's no way to fit a ball screw arrangement in that small of a package, without it costing half a million.
@zHxIxPxPxIxEz
@zHxIxPxPxIxEz Жыл бұрын
Getting accurate results with lots of lash isn't a problem if the ways have propper guidance and no sticktion do to in proper thrust design. Read foundations of mechanical accuracy and precision hole location by Wayne f Moore.
@tombeer9
@tombeer9 Жыл бұрын
I understand that you guys are sponsored by kenametal and you review and demonstrate their products, but there is a company called diabore that produce a boring tool with a integrated digital screen that is permanent with the tool and not a separate add on device.
@ianstrickland5280
@ianstrickland5280 Жыл бұрын
7:04 poor barry lol
@lakersboy8248
@lakersboy8248 2 жыл бұрын
Dont forget to take the backlash off
@miker648
@miker648 2 жыл бұрын
This is a beautiful tool, but realistically what is the cost of this set up, and how many small shops can afford this?
@Gottenhimfella
@Gottenhimfella 9 ай бұрын
Yes, it's bordering on offensive to label mechanical boring heads as "obsolete" just because a more convenient option has been developed (probably driven more by marketing than by innovation). These guys are just trying to monetise a sort of fifth column marketing effort, trying to induce the machinist's equivalent of penis envy, and I for one am not particularly interested.
@tdg911
@tdg911 2 жыл бұрын
Haha haha elderly. That’s badass
@Dclxvi6x3
@Dclxvi6x3 Жыл бұрын
Must be nice to work at a shop that has this kind of stuff. My cheap ass boss sends our old end mills out to get resharpened and makes us fuck with cutter comp 😢
@efraimmarcora1960
@efraimmarcora1960 Жыл бұрын
sandvik have motorized boring head, you can control it by your smartphone.
@turtlebeef
@turtlebeef 2 жыл бұрын
i just adjust my D-offset
@phipsomat9915
@phipsomat9915 Жыл бұрын
Can you show us, what happens, if you dont pop it off!?
@MetrologyEngineer
@MetrologyEngineer 8 ай бұрын
What happens if you forget that on???
@michaeltrilck5680
@michaeltrilck5680 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Mr. Jessie! PLEASE change the insert clamping screw! The overtorqued screw is junk, Mister! I've see'n it at 2'49" and 3'38" (at the haimer screen). It does'nt match to a high tech machine shop with a lot of brand new equipment with high standards...
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