Easy MULI-TRACK BACKING TRACKS Setup with Loop Community TRACK RIG

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In today’s video, we are checking out probably the easiest way to get multi-track backing tracks from you iphone/ipad/computer for your live performances. This is the Track Rig by Loop Community. It’s a very simple to use interface that gives you 8 separate line level xlr outputs for your different stems for your live backing tracks.
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1:03 - Multi Tracking Explained
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3:37 - Ableton Setup
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@glennallen Жыл бұрын

Interested in the Ableton backing tracks video for sure

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Noted 🤘

@theviciousheadsociety4923 Жыл бұрын

Another great, informative video. I can't believe how fortuitous it was to stumble upon your videos! Thanks

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Thank you 🙏

@lorearna6267 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tutorial,very helpful! Thanks for what you do! Keep the great work!

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@tschstr7472 20 күн бұрын

Yes, very interested in the Ableton backing tracks vid plz 🤙

@ScottUhlMusic 20 күн бұрын

I have it live here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aryIrKmYr7q2gWQ.htmlsi=3QUH30XAgC-dweU6

@tybkc87 10 күн бұрын

I'd love to see a video for Prime. I couldn't remember if the other apps have a desktop app but having the ability to edit while on a desktop would make it easier to see on a larger screen and speed up the workflow programming midi changes. Also my philosophy is it's easier and cheaper have back ups or replace an iPad vs a full laptop, plus you have the added utility of using it for merch sales.

@jclyde6543 Жыл бұрын

Enjoyed this video as usual. I find great value in your reviews regardless of the fact that many of them don't apply to my particular performing circumstances (keyboards, windows, premixed backing tracks as MP3"s). I have made purchases as a result of your thorough reviews though. Always appreciate the little video inserts you do over your static monologue which shows that you understand that KZfaq is a "video" platform. I hate the 20 minute "videos" of talking heads with the occasional cut to a side view or perspective change of several feet of the same scene! Actually laughed out loud at the "walking on eggs" insert regarding making drummers happy. I don't remember seeing that before. Keep up the good work! You're definitely redefining the term "infotainment".

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Hahaha thanks! Gotta keep it interesting. My drummer is actually a super chill dude… all the drummers I play with currently are really chill and great players… I just can’t resist a good drummer joke 😅

@johnmcchavs Жыл бұрын

Interesting piece of gear...Thanks for this video, as usual a great one :) And OOf for your catastrophic gig ! It definitely looks like my worst nightmare.

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Yeah it was really awful lol working on a video about it now 🤘

@TheMatthewmcgee Жыл бұрын

Looks like a solid piece of gear. Thanks Scott.

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@roderickjmusic 11 ай бұрын

Your videos are so amazing!!!

@ScottUhlMusic 11 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@scottbakernc Жыл бұрын

Great review Scott! I'm on the cusp of needing something like this to split out my stems vs mixing them all down to on track.

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Nice! Glad to help man 🤘

@jackzaxe 11 ай бұрын

Brah. You're like, on a level that I certainly admire. Pretty freaking awesome how much you share with us, AND just the BIG BRAIN Sh_t you so easily absorb. IMPRESSIVE.

@ScottUhlMusic 11 ай бұрын

Thank you Jack! I appreciate that!

@Sneakyybstrd 2 ай бұрын

awesome video

@ScottUhlMusic 2 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@klausb.ausm.7779 Жыл бұрын

Great Video, Scott. For my band, we use a similar approach. However, we use a Tascam US-16x08 as multi-channel output device that is connected to an Ipad that runs Stage Traxx 3. The Tascam is significantly cheaper. It has more analog channels than Track Rig, but has fewer Midi capabilities.

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Oh interesting, I’ll have to look into that one!

@ElectricEddieDaus Жыл бұрын

Nice Review. Cool piece of Gear.... Thx ElectricEddie...😎

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@viacheslavoboskalov Жыл бұрын

Nice Thank you

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@jimday1198 Жыл бұрын

Yes on the backing tracks with Ableton Live!

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Noted 🤘

@Andrew_O Жыл бұрын

Cool product! Will keep it in mind if I plan on using more than a laptop multi-track USB out to my X32 Rack (which I haven't gotten to that point yet). Definitely a versatile product since it'd offer me a tablet failover option as well...

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching 🤘🤘

@RichardChappell1 Жыл бұрын

Great video. I'll put in my interest for a video on setting up backing tracks in Ableton.

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

I think I will eventually do one 🤘

@bscheirman Жыл бұрын

Damn that weather was crazy! I was in Denver and hiked Red Rocks back in June. I saw the crazy hail storm that hit just a few days later. Glad we missed that 😅

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Dude! That red rocks footage was insane! Our show was that bad for sure. That was beyond insane.

@paullongden-musician7113 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Scott. Im happy with 6 tracks in StageTrax but I can definitely see a use for all the extras here.

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Stage Traxx has 6 stereo outputs, so that’s 12 total, so you can utilize all of the channels on this 🤘

@paullongden-musician7113 Жыл бұрын

@ScottUhlMusic Not that I need 12 channels but...wow!

@emersontanakamotion Жыл бұрын

Great video as usual! I think the track rig is too expensive for what it does and add a lot of cables on stage, but the Prime app is fantastic, I use it with that split cable you mentioned so at least I have a small amount of individual volume control even though it all goes to mono in the PA...but the free version has a limitation of 300 MB of storage...

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

I definitely want to look more into the Prime app for sure!

@ColinDean1 Жыл бұрын

Oh that's good! I wonder if with some extra dongles you could get it to supply power over USB-C to a iPad or MacBook Air. I love a one cable setup

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Oh interesting! I know it powers an iPad, I dunno about the air but I would guess so?

@andreaskwlzk 9 ай бұрын

Hello Scott, I just discovered your KZfaq channel. I am very excited about your videos. I am also currently working on the topic of backing tracks. Now I have a question. You use a X32 Rack mixer. This has a sound interface with 32in/outs. With a laptop and Daw it should be possible to route the different backing tracks to inputs on the mixer. Have you tried this?

@ScottUhlMusic 9 ай бұрын

Thanks! Yes you can do that. The x32 usb routing is kind of obnoxious IMO but you can do that 👍

@oneminuteguitarlessons6060 7 ай бұрын

Great video. Another topic of interest might be using audio over Cat5. I am considering making the jump and would really enjoy a video on the topic.

@ScottUhlMusic 7 ай бұрын

I did a video on this guy which is pretty cool but specific to only Midas and Behringer: A Device to SIMPLIFY Your IN-EAR MONITOR Setup - MIDAS 4816-O Splitter kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rM57gs6hma_alac.html

@oneminuteguitarlessons6060 7 ай бұрын

Thanks. I appreciate the reply. I will take a look.

@ivanfeaguirre Жыл бұрын

Great review. How would the Track Rig compare to an interface that can route usb multi-tracks to multiple outs like the Motu UltraLite-mk5?

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Thanks! And I haven’t used that before, so I’m not sure

@MiguelLSilva-ef5is Жыл бұрын

Hi Scott. Interesting device. We are a 4 piece band and we use XR18 for IEM + Cubase for backing tracks (keys, effects, fill guitars and back vox). I run my vocal and guitar through Cubase for effects and automation (and back into XR18 through USB). If I wanted to split all channels for FOH mixing would I have to use a splitter for the analog stuff and this device for the channels coming out of Cubase? I guess in that case I would have to use ASIO4ALL to use this device an XR18 simultaneously from my computer. Thanks!!!

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

That might make it easier. That’s the tough thing about usb, it’s tough to split, but great if you run FOH sound

@lachopakapura Жыл бұрын

great review ,is there a way to Cascade multiple units?

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

I’m not sure, but I need to check. I think with a computer you will be able to pretty easily

@theapx1489 Жыл бұрын

Would love a comparison video with this, The Kmix and the Tascam 16-08

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

I haven’t heard of those, I’ll have to look them up

@sorokabaville Жыл бұрын

Thanks for bringing this option! Is it rack mountable? The fact that it has a power supply i perfect, because I have constant problems, losing connection between ipad / adapter / long cable / Presonus interface

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Yup! It’s rack mountable 🤘

@aleksandergrzybowski8899 Жыл бұрын

First

@Soydaime Жыл бұрын

Could you make a comparison video with the Bbeat and is there also a method to use the two devices?

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

I don’t believe you can use them together. They are both different products for sure. I would watch both of my videos on them and see which one appeals to you more 👍

@petriojanpera2996 4 ай бұрын

Hi Scott. Have you ever tested Klark Teknik DN9630 AES50 to USB converter for backing tracks? If I’m not wrong, you can send your backing multitracks from your iPad/PC to X32 mixer with one etherCON-cable.

@ScottUhlMusic 4 ай бұрын

Interesting…. I’ll have to look that up. I haven’t seen that before

@Sleeplesswpg Жыл бұрын

Might pick this up, currently running the zoom l20r but can’t get output on ableton so I’m wondering if this would be a good output into the zoom to mix for in ears

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

This definitely plays very nicely with ableton!

@benkitay9015 Жыл бұрын

I use track Rig with Ableton. It’s simple and rugged and well worth the money.

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Agreed for sure!

@jaybearcat 11 ай бұрын

If you could find the time to do a Prime App video that would be great !

@jerrycrafts5301 3 ай бұрын

Hey Scott, I’m going to place the order for the trackrig through your channel. I’m using a behringer xair16 and stagetraxx3. I’m wondering if I should expect any trouble using the xair16.

@ScottUhlMusic 3 ай бұрын

Nice! And no, it should work great 🤘

@nadiel182 4 ай бұрын

Thank you Scott. I would like to see how you use Prime. I really like the app but I'm having issues with their dynamic clic in order to sync with the original clic of the song.

@ScottUhlMusic 4 ай бұрын

Yeah I’ve wanted to dive into it. I just find myself using stage Traxx personally

@nadiel182 4 ай бұрын

Hey Scott, I just bought the full version of ST3 and I really love the app, thank you, you are the best.

@DennyDiamond 10 ай бұрын

Scott, when you use the USB-C to the on the iPad to the track rig does it charge the iPad?

@ScottUhlMusic 10 ай бұрын

It doesn’t charge the iPad, at least I don’t think it does. I haven’t tried that to be honest… I’ll have to check that

@-303- 11 ай бұрын

I’ve seen a bunch of your backing track (and IEM gear) videos over the past couple of days, and the question that I haven’t yet seen answered is this: are you able to do double or triple duty with an iPad running backing tracks? I currently use mine for BandHelper and for some mixing adjustments of my XR-18. Would running backing tracks at the same time be asking for trouble?

@ScottUhlMusic 11 ай бұрын

I’m able to run stage Traxx 3 and mixing station from one iPad 👍

@JaredGunstonTV 10 күн бұрын

Hey Scott - we're in the process of setting up this sort of thing - what ipad are you using ? I just dont trust those little dongles and would prefer straight connection via usb cable.

@ScottUhlMusic 9 күн бұрын

I’ve upgraded to an iPad mini, I believe 6th generation. That has a USB C output, which is nice. The one I had for this was an older iPad about 5 years ago that had the lighting input (but still has the headphone output)

@tschstr7472 20 күн бұрын

Also interested if you were able to do a video on using the loop community prime app plz!

@ScottUhlMusic 20 күн бұрын

I don’t think I’ll be doing that one. I personally just use stage Traxx 3, and it’s a phenomenal app

@tschstr7472 20 күн бұрын

No worries. Awesome vid by the way.

@WMSFLL Жыл бұрын

looks interesting, but how is this a better solution to output the stems from Stage Traxx iPad to a digital mixer over USB... especially at this price point?

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

If you have usb into a mixer, and you run the sound for FOH with that mixer, then yeah you can do that. This is great if you don’t have that option and/or you need to split the signal to FOH 👍

@sundaystrummer Жыл бұрын

I would interested in setting up backing tracks in Ableton

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Cool I got 3 comments on it so far 👍

@DennyDiamond Жыл бұрын

Would love to see an Ableton and backing tracks video.

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Looks like I’ll be doing one 🤘

@DennyDiamond Жыл бұрын

@@ScottUhlMusic awesome

@jjsideman Жыл бұрын

I would like an ableton backing tracks video

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Looks like I’ll be adding that to my list 🤘

@ironblast5 Жыл бұрын

Are you able to daisy chain 2 units if you need additional outputs

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

With a laptop I’m pretty sure you could. With an iPad, That I’m not sure. My advice is that a lot of people want every single track separated. Keys, strings, brass, synth, electric piano, violin… all on separate channels. My advice is to consolidate. It makes your life easier. I don’t know everyone’s setup, but 8 channels should be more than adequate in the majority of situations. Just my two cents.

@ironblast5 Жыл бұрын

@ScottUhlMusic I already group alot of stuff to stereo pairs. I'M using a x32 rack and ipad running Cubassis 3 currently. My band are a symphonic black metal band we use alot of tracks for samples, keys, strings, synth pads, and all of the orchestral arrangements, etc. we also do our drum tracks for a rather large kit using superior drummer samples trying to give it enough outputs to allow foh to mix it like its a live acoustic kit it is very easy to use over 16 outputs drums alone could use all 16 outs if we did it the way we truely want then you add cues, talk back mic, click, backup rythem guitar track to thicken the sound and harmony vocal spoken naration ect. I'm fairly certain I could easily use 32 track outputs up and still need to group alot of it down to stereo pairs. Maybe those new midas stage connect racks would give me access to the p16m ultranet outputs to gain enough channels 24 output channels in the x32 rack +16 from the ultranet would bring me up to 40 outs and I could use art s8 splits to separate it from foh just thinking outloud here

@jondnz Жыл бұрын

It would be cool if they did a track rig "light" that got rid of the USB hub and made it cheaper. $USD500 is a little steep for an interface that only does outputs. For example, the Berhringer UMC1820 is $USD299 and has 8 in and 10 out right out of the box. Granted it's1/4 inch outputs though

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

A light version would be nice!

@TheARMNETWORK Жыл бұрын

Interested in Abelton

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

4 requests so far 🤘

@FlashbackHeartAttack Жыл бұрын

So does front of house control it all or your drummer?

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Depends how you route it. You can route it to a splitter for your in ear monitors and to front of house, which is the most common. But usually front of house 👍

@wguzman1200 Жыл бұрын

if only they did a mini version of this with 4 outputs.

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

It’s only 1U of rack space and is rack mountable. Definitely doesn’t take up much room at all 👍 plus with 8 outputs you can utilize 4 stereo tracks as well

@benkitay9015 Жыл бұрын

Iconnectivity makes a 4

@cathykozickio284 6 ай бұрын

So how can I hook this to my monitor board so I can mix the monitors.

@ScottUhlMusic 6 ай бұрын

That’s not what this device is for

@martinmichaels234 2 ай бұрын

Hi Scott.the usb's in the rear... it would seem that you could connect a midi to dmx through this. would that be correct?

@ScottUhlMusic 2 ай бұрын

I’m not sure about passing midi through this, I haven’t tried that

@martinmichaels234 2 ай бұрын

@@ScottUhlMusic ok thanks. can you recommend an interface that has this functionality? something that connects to an iPad using stage traxx3 which will do this all in one. im looking for more than 2 audio outputs. many thanks

@TeddyMcCready Ай бұрын

Hey Scott, how would you keep the iPad powered while plugged into the track rig?

@ScottUhlMusic Ай бұрын

Teddy, thanks for the donation man, I really appreciate that! They do make adapters that give usb out as well as a way to charge it too. They work quite well! You just have to make sure you get the one for your right setup (lightning or usb c). But then you can output as well as power your tablet 🤘

@TeddyMcCready Ай бұрын

@@ScottUhlMusic Duh...lol. I should have known that already. Sorry. thanks again for all the sharing you are doing. Appreciate you

@ScottUhlMusic Ай бұрын

@@TeddyMcCready lol no worries man! Glad to help and thanks again 🤘

@adorar-st1644 11 ай бұрын

How and where do you connect your In-Ears?

@ScottUhlMusic 11 ай бұрын

I have a video on setting up IEMs here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jreaecuctrq6gGw.html

@hamdishaffie4076 26 күн бұрын

Do you export Track rig to outside US ( worldwide). Thank you

@ScottUhlMusic 25 күн бұрын

Im not sure if they do or not

@TinaCrafts 4 ай бұрын

CAN THE TRACK RIG BE USED SOLELY WITH THE XAIR 16.

@ScottUhlMusic 4 ай бұрын

No, it can be used in many different ways 👍

@theapx1489 Жыл бұрын

Can't find this on Amazon. Based in USA (GA) and I'm not seeing it anywhere. I tried clicking your link too. No luck.

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Interesting… I have a link for their website as well. Try that one 👍

@ChaosDP Жыл бұрын

I have been looking for something with this many outputs. Tried the link but it looks like its not available.

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Interesting… it should work on Amazon. Have you tried the link from their official website? I have that in the description too

@ChaosDP Жыл бұрын

@@ScottUhlMusic Oops. Didn't scroll down far enough. 👍

@rustonfettig Жыл бұрын

I just wish it was redundant. At the price I'd go with the Playaudio 12

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Redundant would be nice for sure!

@MichaelSanchez-nv6dc 5 ай бұрын

Where do you get your tracks from?

@ScottUhlMusic 5 ай бұрын

Karaoke version. I go over my process here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pN1oqr2Xq7m1Yqs.htmlsi=uFxGxyOPh2oOiosb

@kabassa 2 ай бұрын

Hi Scott, Could you please confirm the weight of this product? on the manufacturer's official website they say this weighs 1lb, and on amazon it says 5.5lb, I'm confused. Thanks anyway for the video

@ScottUhlMusic 2 ай бұрын

I’m not sure, but it’s not very heavy at all

@larsandersen2757 Жыл бұрын

I am not sure how this will provide individual in-ear mix for each band member, what did I miss?

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

This isn’t an in ear monitor system. This is a unit for multi track backing tracks.

@larsandersen2757 Жыл бұрын

@@ScottUhlMusic but you mentioned for the drummer. So the mixer, it goes into, is for mixing the monitor for the drummer?

@allenjensen3245 10 ай бұрын

This just gets 8 inputs to the house, then you adjust your in-ear setup accordingly. So instead of having to adjust just the Tracks and Click channels, you would have 8 other channels to adjust, but you can do each individually. And........ the sound person can adjust the EQ settings for each of the 8 tracks, not just one generic for the combined Tracks channel.

@mario23sb 11 ай бұрын

So where does FOH connect?

@ScottUhlMusic 11 ай бұрын

To the 8 xlr outputs

@mario23sb 11 ай бұрын

@@ScottUhlMusic Thanks, man. Your videos are always so helpful.

@paulyoung1918 Жыл бұрын

Scott, the link to the product did not work for me?

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

Yeah I'm updating it to include a link to their website at the top as well as at the middle as well... some people can't get the amazon link to work, but it works on my end. Strange!

@maxammo6282 Жыл бұрын

This looks pretty cool. But for the same price I think I'm going to get the B beat device instead. With this device you're still tethered to a tablet or laptop. Which can fail you. Plus there is no video to sync with this. The b beat machine also plays video. Taking the computer or laptop out of the equation is a big deal or me.

@ScottUhlMusic Жыл бұрын

That’s fair 👍 just depends on your needs. I try to review as much as possible so people can decide what works best for them 🤘 thanks for watching and commenting!

@maxammo6282 Жыл бұрын

@@ScottUhlMusic thanks for putting up great content bro. Like you said it all depends on what your needs are.

@ChrisBrokamp 11 ай бұрын

Surprised they didn't add a midi out

@ScottUhlMusic 11 ай бұрын

That would have been nice, I didn't really think of that. Might be tough to route that though

@trusso11783 8 ай бұрын

So, what is the point of using this when I could simply use my audio interface and do the same?

@ScottUhlMusic 8 ай бұрын

If you found something that works for you, use it 👍

@drlmusic 3 ай бұрын

Hey Scott! I’m thinking of getting a presonus 24c interface to use with stage Traxx 3 would I be able to send, multi tracks via main outs separately LR one track L one R and a 3rd to headphone out? It also has midi in/out could I use the out to a dmx to sync lights?

@ScottUhlMusic 3 ай бұрын

I’m not understanding your routing. But if you want stereo tracks plus a click track, you’ll need to do multitracking. If you just need to do tracks on L and click on R, you won’t need to multitrack. I go over that here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i9OSl8l71d7NeXk.htmlsi=_inikoTWnXO1Q80m

@drlmusic 2 ай бұрын

@@ScottUhlMusic thanx! I figured it out, I’m actually using a zoom r8 as a controller to the iPad (stage Traxx) and the audio actually comes out of the r8:)