For all of you who have approved of hand tabbing corners like this it doesn’t say much for the quality you deliver. The man literally just put numerous dents into the face of the gutter and that’s building it on the ground with full access to any angle with any tool. Elementary is an understatement.

At the age of 30 now I've been installing eavestrough for the past 13 years. I've tried every different method, and despite people complaining, this is the proper method. The gauge of the aluminum being shaped in the video is very thin, yet despite what people may seem to believe, this is properly done. Any professional would cringe seeing anybody use outside/inside mitre corners. They're sloppy and cause more problems long term. Yes, believe it or not, screws are meant to be put at the bottom. if sealed correctly, they're should never be any problems. You're average company offers a 15-20 year warranty on the workmanship... Corners, if smoothed and sealed properly, along with the trough being correctly slopped , should never really cause any problems.

This was the best video. Could you please upload more videos about 30 degree slope corners and some other difficult corners and more tips about gutter jobs

Im impressed..

You got to love the comments below on strips and box meters! LOL When I see new eavestroughs with these it almost brings me to tears! They are butt ugly and work like crap! John, your miter in the end is pretty clean, but could be a tad better. One screw on the top lip, is all I use to hole these together. Kudos to you! Nice video.

That looks pretty good and good instructions why is there so much hate?

Those corners would work great on a"True North" plywood shack for sure! Bag full of paint and a couple good buddies and dare ya go!

So, how do you make the template?

Have you (or anyone else other than Mark) made a video on compound gutter miters?

John I am glad I served my apprenticeship at heather and little .

Love the funky ass flea bass

I think we can agree that yes perhaps hand crafting your mitres do look better, but this isn't crown moulding, these are gutters. Gutters carry your roof water and when you fasten through the bottom like this and caulk it if you're not too cheap it will still leak. Ice and snow will sit all winter long in the corners and guess what that gutter you undercut the next guy or took advantage of his pricing and still took short cuts, guess you're not worried because someone else is coming back to fix it. You'll be nowhere to be found lol. Box mitres if available in your colour is the text book way and no they won't leak. Oh and also, have any of you new hot shots ever seen a downpipe outlet? They're $.80, or are we going to start a new thread on why just punching out triangles and fastening the elbow to that is better.

Do you need a pattern first. Got it

When I started and didn't know how to make corners I used pre-made mitres. His template sucks and is not the proper profile to make a square corner. He is close enough for teaching purposes but an installer would quickly improve on his technique.

Almost the worst miter corner I've seen.

what thinknes is that metal? it look so thin

What is the name of that hammer he's using anyone know?

Remind me to never have True North do my gutters...!

how do i make a corner where one slide slopes upward?

You should cut your template with a saw. For best fit cut the pattern with the saw set in place to cut while it's coming out of the machine, so your template is perfect to your set up. What in the hell are you doing, that is not only time consuming it looks like crap, ping tabs, then you end up spray painting, which fades out and won't match the coating on the gutter in a couple of months. Put your tabs on one side and slide it into the 45 saw cut outside on the next piece of gutter, they will match perfect if you made your pattern with the saw in place, a lot of work for an inferior corner. Why have that ping tab instead of a clean cut 45? Doing that when hanging a house would be difficult an inefficient as well as the looking south of the border.

Reminds me of the business I had in the UK years ago. Trying to do this 20 feet up a ladder would be impossible. We used the thin pre made corners, they looked great. We did a lot of compound miters on bay window gutters and I had an internal fiberglass mold made. Looked really neat. The method shown here look terrible. We ran Galvalume coil, much cheaper than aluminum and stronger.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should. For a few measly dollars, you could buy a corner piece. So few people take pride in their work and the finished product given to a customer.

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I'm gunna do this when I'm sick of trough and want to get fired

Why is he not using rivets? He was doing good up until that point. You might as well use mitres. Honestly everyone has there own preference. Corners i prefer tabbed but teaching a new person to tie a tabbed corner is like teaching them trigonometry. Spend 30 minutes on a corner. Also you have to use more tools. I try to keep things to a minimum. Ill do tabbed corners if they ask for it. Really ive done mitres for a long time if you tie them right people dont really say much about them. I can hang 800 ft of gutters with tabbed corners in a day with one other person. With strip mitres about 1200 ft. I just did a house today that was 750 ft of gutters and spouts in 5 hours. but that with mitres under the drip and pitched correctly. I was hanging so fast i was keeping up with my cutter, and my cutter is not slow. ive only been doing this for about 6 years. Also i can tab half round but thats a little easier since its round.

Spray paint the corners ??? In the sunlight you will see the overspray on the gutters especially if you're talking about black or brown or bronze.... We never spray paint anything

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Omg., john how to cut a miter .....

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This is a thrash miter

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pre fab corners are for rookies they fail very often and they look so ugly . i know john personally he exceeds everyone in the trade by far . he goes up and beyond anyones expectations. if he makes his own corners its because hes a professional and he knows and it will last longer @ t1tty t1tty ... eaves/roof repair specialist . 7 years experience (owner) ultimate home services

Box mitres way faster . I would never put a screw thru the bottom

this is an old video but i thought I might ad my 2 cents. I've been an installer for 25 years myself. 1st: this method takes practice and it looks like he hurried for the video. also i don't know why he didnt trim the outside finishing cut first to the pattern..and the thickness was.019 the shit they use at walmart and lowes. there is .025 and .032 for aluminum..copper and steel are a whole other animal. 2nd box mitres are kinda ugly but work just as well as hand cut mitres! The problem is expansion and contraction and the Caulk quality! over the years I have tried a mixture of hand cut and premade mitres and they eventually all fail before your warranty..10 years is average warranty. I've use Ruscoe, through the roof, silicone, hell the list is as long as there are color choices. Ive used less screws, more screws, rivets, galvanized, painted, you name it I've tried it. they all fucking fail. i get so pissed off with the major caulk companies claiming 300% expansion yada yada yada! the shit isn't working well enough. I can't guarantee it not to leak when I see one split the caulk 6 months after an autumn install and come spring the caulk is split completely in two on the seam! It is a combination of gutter flex, clip flex, wind conditions, ice, flow, and temperature swings. niw im in illinois so the weather is 110 some summers to 20 below zero in the frigan winter. I've had every single rivet leak only two years later on a ranch style house. had bay mitres also some custom cut mitres do to the carpenter built his own house and the walls were at less than a 22.5° I used the Ruscoe 12-3..the 12-1 runs too much for my liking, especially in warm weather..thins out and cracks quicker..so if any of you long time installers "experts" have a brand you have found that will last, bye all means reply...

Screw in the face is a fail! I like the hammer tho

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Hatchet job University....!

Lol did you just use a pen 😂

8hrs later ya got 2 corners done.

I can’t see anyone on the job taking that much time to make an outside corner.

sooo what's better you guys in trying get in the business. Box miters . Or making them yourself.

Holy smokes if your patterning out your miter why run it long to trim it back? Then hammer it over by the way you missed. I've been installing gutters 25 years now along with architectural sheet metal work. Any one who works with metal knows tinning is part of metal work but it needs to be minimal. Anyone that works with pre-finished gutters knows painting should be minimal as well. Good techniques I'll give you that perhaps fine tune them a bit and you got something. By the way there's nothing wrong with strip or box miters they often fail due to improper installation. In that case get some better installers.

A Rainwater.

that is one of the crapiest gutter outside corners i have ever seen slap a bunch of screws in the bottom(ya that wont leak lets put a couple screws through the bottom) and not even close to a 45 degree bottom

Age and experience only count if you were taught right....Never use tabs on an outside miter.... Mine are much better

Hand mitred corners, as they've shown here, are the preferred way to install. But in reality it gets tough when you are installing long runs, high up. This is where I turn to the mitre box and they do a fine job.

Buy corner is cheap

love my job but I don't do this im better than all of uz.

Rough as guts. I thought it was going to be good when you showed the template. I hope you don't actually put those on customers roofs. I learned how to do this properly when I was 16, and it's definitely NOT like that.

If I do this my boss would shoot at me

Why not just buy a box of inside and outside miters, you guys too cheap er wha? An expert of the industry would buy all supplies needed to do the job instead of rigging things together and making things work without the necessary supplies. Dont claim to be the best when you appear to be the amongst the worst.

Wtf did i just watched! I would fire u for that corner

You are joking - right ?? Definitely untidy and NOT the way to form a corner, this would not be acceptable in my neck of the woods.

You teach people how to be hacks ? Why not teach them correctly and double fold and pinch like HVAC ducting. Much cleaner and professional results

Jesus, what did I just watch?

What a butcher job... Even with thin .027 gutter. And then things got even worse when he brings out a Mason hammer. 🙈

Way to many steps for an ugly miter.

what a mess! and this guy reckons he teachers this stuff

That's dumb 👌

Wayyy to many step for a crappy end product.

That looks really bad and whoever cleans the gutter is gonna cut theirselves bad a good example of how to not do it

40 years still using Pop rivets. Please stop using that tinners hammer, the paint never matches

soooo bad

Was this video made back in the 60's when you had to bend and shape things to fit? There's internal and external mitre brackets... Who the hell wastes there time like this. . And it looks like crap

you have no clue how it should be done.

Kids do not try this at home

That looks like shit

That is the ugliest mitre I’ve ever seen in my life I’m exaggerating a little bit but it’s still freaking ugly anybody did that while I was on site I’d throw them off the job

Terrible job...PERIOD!