eBay trash USB charger 2023 - with schematic

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bigclivedotcom

bigclivedotcom

Жыл бұрын

Much better than the last similar looking unit, and this one is easily hackable to your chosen current by swapping resistors. In this video I did a simple hack for a 24/7 trickle charge.
This unit is worth buying just for the case alone for your own custom charger project.
I get the feeling this is another clone of a clone - where a circuit has been modified without fully understanding the purpose of some of the components. In the case of the strange pair of differently sized parallel resistors, I think it may be based loosely on the previous unit which had a similar arrangement.
As supplied, the unit works as a very simple charger, but the current is high enough to require that you remember to take the cells out of it after a suitable length of charging time. It's too easy to forget that cells are charging and a prolonged period of high current overcharging can be detrimental to cell lifespan.
NiMH (Nickel Metal Hydride) and NiCd (Nickel Cadmium) cells are not like lithium cells, where there is a very decisive end of charge state (usually 4.2V). Instead the smart chargers have to detect a slight change in voltage when a cell is fully charged and bubbles start to form on its electrodes, or they may detect a rise in temperature or stationary voltage. When a NiMH or NiCd cell is fully charged it has a chemical reaction internally that converts the gas bubbles back into liquid, and during this there is heat generated and higher internal pressure.
For fixed current charging at higher currents you do have to avoid overcharging as the chemical reaction that recombines gas to liquid is only capable of handling a low level of charge current.
At very low trickle charge currents, the cells can be left charging continually without affecting their lifespan too much. However, the trade-off is the time taken to charge the cells. Not an issue if they're just being topped up or being kept on standby.
The other advantage of a simple charger like this is that it will handle older cells or ones that have been accidentally over-discharged, where a smart charger will either not recognise their presence, misinterpret them as being non rechargeables and reject them, or terminate the charge far too early.
In the case of accidental over-discharging, a seemingly dead cell can be brought back gently in this type of charger before being charged quickly in a smart charger.
Because the charger doesn't do any tests it will also work with difficult cells like the low capacity ones used in solar lights.
Aside from the hack/mod that I show in the video, you could also just fine tune the current by swapping the 18 ohm resistors for a higher value.
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@stepheneyles2198
@stepheneyles2198 Жыл бұрын
I can see Clive making a video in 5 years which shows that they've watched this and changed their design accordingly!
@frogz
@frogz Жыл бұрын
@@Okurka. screws cost money, i bet they will evolve to a snap together or plastic welded case
@dcf476
@dcf476 Жыл бұрын
​@@frogz which will we get to see, the one, the only, the vice of knowledge 😁👍
@madworld.
@madworld. Жыл бұрын
@@Okurka. 😆🤣🤣
@BrownEyePinch
@BrownEyePinch Жыл бұрын
Not Amazon
@RonDogInTheHouse
@RonDogInTheHouse Жыл бұрын
@@Okurka. They'll make 2 versions (1) for us mere mortals that will be impossible to open. (2) a Big Clive version that opens instantly upon arrival, so he can re-engineer their poor design.
@TopEndSpoonie
@TopEndSpoonie Жыл бұрын
Hahaha. Take out 6 components, add 1 and make the whole thing better. Great work.
@ADEEntertainment308
@ADEEntertainment308 Жыл бұрын
❤Top end
@Tim_Small
@Tim_Small Жыл бұрын
Don't need to add the extra diode, or remove the pair of low value resistors tho' - with just the 18 ohm resistors removed, the LEDs will block the reverse current path.
@EdgarsLS
@EdgarsLS Жыл бұрын
you don't have to replace the 5.1 ohms with a diode if you cut out the 18 ohm resistors, because the reverse breakdown of the LED's will be higher than the battery voltage so the LED's will block current from flowing back into the charger and discharging the cells.
@Ni5ei
@Ni5ei Жыл бұрын
That beefy charge lead probably contains at least 4 strands of wire 😂
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom Жыл бұрын
I should have done a strand count.
@SeascapeStl
@SeascapeStl Жыл бұрын
Certainly more insulation than wire
@primech-128bit
@primech-128bit Жыл бұрын
ESD safe. 😂_
@chriskaye1997
@chriskaye1997 Жыл бұрын
Aluminium-Chineseum strands…!
@Lizlodude
@Lizlodude Жыл бұрын
@@primech-128bit Any ESD will just vaporize the wire!
@UpLateGeek
@UpLateGeek Жыл бұрын
I dreaded working with SMD components for a long time. Partly because they're so tiny and my hands are a bit shaky, but also because it meant I'd have to buy a whole lot more components. But then I saw a few projects on the Interwebs that I wanted to build, but they were all SMD. So I bit the bullet and ordered the boards and parts, and gave it a go. To my surprise, it wasn't nearly as difficult as I thought. It didn't take long to get used to the tiny components, even with my unsteady hands. I even built one of Rasteri's weeCee tiny PCs, which required aligning 1.25mm twin row SMD headers within a fraction of a mm on four sides to fit the processor module. Now I've designed my own projects that use SMD parts, designed the boards got them manufactured and everything. I've even printed and etched my own home made boards using the toner transfer method. Basically the only reason I'd go for through hole over SMD is if I wanted to use a specific through hole part (potentiometer, header pins, specific IC that I already had in through hole version), or if I wanted the circuit to look vintage (I'm currently designing a clock that uses a vintage VFD display, housed in a wood and acrylic case that shows off both the VFD and the PCB).
@cameradoctor205
@cameradoctor205 Жыл бұрын
When digital point and shoot cameras used AA batteries, customers were often impatient and wanted their batteries to charge fast !! ... there were a lot of 'Fast Chargers' sold, and I am sure they Nuked the poor NiMH cells ... I tried to sell a slower charger and a spare set of cells, but not everybody could be taught ;)
@senorcapitandiogenes2068
@senorcapitandiogenes2068 Жыл бұрын
Can confirm. I might or might not own a charger that charges AA Nimh cells at 8 amps
@jkobain
@jkobain Жыл бұрын
I can recall Dave @EEVblog showcasing and investigating a fast charger. IIRC, 4A per cell, or even more, since it is said NiMH can withstand it when done right.
@sigmasquadleader
@sigmasquadleader Жыл бұрын
Photographers aren't really known for their intellect or practical skills, so it's no surprise the general public exposed to technology would fail just as professional and amateur photographers would.
@jkobain
@jkobain Жыл бұрын
@@sigmasquadleader what an interesting opinion based on facts. Thank you!
@pauldzim
@pauldzim Жыл бұрын
@@sigmasquadleader photography slander!
@RJHElias
@RJHElias 11 ай бұрын
That solering tip looks like a elephant foot for smd soldering. Never the less, you do a great job Clive. I am a fan forever!
@Alloverthecarpet1
@Alloverthecarpet1 Жыл бұрын
Your NiMh trickle charger was one of the first projects I did getting back into electronics this last year. I use portable radios pretty heavily in my day to day and having a set of batteries ready to go at all times is really convenient. Thanks for doing what you do!
@rchandraonline
@rchandraonline Жыл бұрын
I guess the Schottky diode is belt and suspenders, because the "D" in "LED" is for "diode"; the current should only go in one direction through either.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom Жыл бұрын
It was to allow for a future parallel resistor addition.
@daveedee3626
@daveedee3626 Жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for this video since I bought a bunch of these dirt cheap chargers sometime last year. Thanks Clive.
@panthony1525
@panthony1525 Жыл бұрын
Would very much like to see you do a dedicated video on how to reverse engineer a circuit board, from analysing the board to producing a schematic diagram.
@grantrennie
@grantrennie Жыл бұрын
Thank you for another great video Clive, have a nice day and be well everyone
@GizmosWorkshop
@GizmosWorkshop Жыл бұрын
I was taught electronics when I educated as a Radio TV Repair tech in the late 90s, and SMD was just a side notice.. Got my certificate and there was no work so I went into telecoms instead. Been there in various jobs since then, until recently when I started working in an electronics factory and Oh sweet lord this stuff is tiny.. My glasses need glasses for some of the stuff :D What I learned pretty early though, is get yourself a syringe of flux paste, and just jab that on there before you solder the component down, and also a sharper tip helps. The flux will really help spreading the heat, and the sharp tip will make it less messy.
@maltoNitho
@maltoNitho Жыл бұрын
What a lovely follow up! Just last weekend I was thinking about building your previous trickle charger… but instead I just ordered one of these and will just remove the resistor. Thanks as always for the entertaining and educational watch!
@chaos.corner
@chaos.corner Жыл бұрын
It could also be turned into a handy power supply if you were looking for easy battery swaps.
@coverfrequency2305
@coverfrequency2305 10 ай бұрын
I really enjoy these cheap electronics teardowns. I've integrated cheap circuits into prototypes.
@AMDRADEONRUBY
@AMDRADEONRUBY Жыл бұрын
Eneloop batteries are my favorite lasting long and being reliable this charger looks very cheaply made lol
@simplygame5530
@simplygame5530 Жыл бұрын
Saw the notification and I was like "oh this is going to be fun"!
@wimwiddershins
@wimwiddershins Жыл бұрын
Gotta like NiMH for being less fussy and a bit tougher than Lithium cells.
@edwardfletcher7790
@edwardfletcher7790 Жыл бұрын
Also for being the correct voltage for all our gadgets 👍
@jimurrata6785
@jimurrata6785 Жыл бұрын
_Mostly_ for being compatible with devices intended for alkaline batteries. 👍
@user-zz4to5kq1q
@user-zz4to5kq1q Жыл бұрын
If the charging current is no too large, the excess energy on overcharged NiMh battery will be dissipated out as heat. Not easy to explose.
@mos8541
@mos8541 Жыл бұрын
No I don't, keep your 1.2 volts if ur lucky, next someone gonna tell me benefits of those horrible nicads
Жыл бұрын
@@mos8541 NiCd -> high-power performance at very low temperature. Sorry, couldn't resist. XD
@johnbrandolini2915
@johnbrandolini2915 11 ай бұрын
I'm glad you brought up the point that the modified charger was intended to "top off" charged batteries. Basically the idea is to provide just enough current to overcome the cells internal resistance. That's actually called maintenance charging. I designed a 12.6v gel cell charger based on a 7815 series regulator that provides it's output based on the state of the battery. The charging current will be 1 amp when the battery is discharged and will taper off to about 8 ma at full charge. I chose the 8 ma value based on the data sheet for the battery. The charger and battery are in an emergency lighting system I built almost 10 years ago. The battery has lived well beyond it's natural life thanks to maintenance charging. With regards to surface mount components, I would recommend getting a microscope to assist in placement especially for the 0805 and 0603 parts. I have a Mustool microscope that has it's own display and can magnify up to 600x. It wasn't that expensive- under $50 USD (41 GBP) on Amazon. As a radio amateur I receive the ARRL's QST magazine and a couple of years back they ran an article about using a PC cam as an alternate to a microscope. I tried it and it's doable but it is cumbersome and the magnification is limited. Solder paste is a much better alternative to fluxed solid solder as a dab will hold the part in place until you put pressure on it with tweezers. Also you get better control of the amount of solder on the pad. As to the type of tweezers the ceramic tipped ones are ok for passive components but not so good for actives such as MMICs where they might be subject to static damage. For that reason I have a grounded mat on my bench and use conductive tweezers when I'm working with actives. My workspace is a scaled down version of what I used to use back before I retired. Finally, a schottky diode would have been my first choice since it has a forward voltage drop of about .1v as opposed to .6v for a standard PN junction diode. At 40ma the diode will dissipate only about 4mw. Later.
@DirkFedermann
@DirkFedermann Жыл бұрын
that is funny that you bring out a NIMH charger video again. I recently made a charger using one of your videos. Only things that I changed was USB-C compatible with the 5.1k resistors and I made one bay fast(er) charging with a lower resistor value. With shipping and making only one, it still came to about the same price as a cheap charger on amazon.
@DigitalIP
@DigitalIP Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you mentioned the potential resistance of the USB cable. I'm also glad you mentioned reverse discharging because thats exactly what my TOMO M4 18650 power bank does that i got in 2019, so after charging 18650s with it if i dont plan on using the power bank i started removing them to stop that from happening.
@ziginox
@ziginox Жыл бұрын
Clive, I appreciate the recommendation on the ceramic tweezers. I grabbed some a while back after you mentioned them in another video, and they're great! They work nicely for hot air soldering of SMD stuff, too. Mine use black ceramic, supposedly ESD-safe, but I don't know if I trust that.
@novids4938
@novids4938 Жыл бұрын
I'd think the LED's would prevent discharge of the cells after removing the 18 ohm resistors. So the hack could be done with even less effort.
@Richardincancale
@Richardincancale Жыл бұрын
6:28 If you snipped out the 20 ohm resistors the LEDs would act as diodes and stop the discharge anyway wouldn’t they?
@Neovo.Geesink
@Neovo.Geesink Жыл бұрын
Yet another undocumented benefit: You can use it to balance cells which are to be used in series in an applience by just letting them in there after charging, and disconnect only the USB plug. After a few days a quick boost by topping them up, and they should be balanced.
@fluffyblue4006
@fluffyblue4006 Жыл бұрын
I converted a GP 'overnight' charger for 2x2 cells into a 4x1 cells trickle charger. Mainly because the unit in its original shape could not charge 1 or 3 cells, but also because it slightly warmed up the cells when using it as a trickle charger.
@segamanxero
@segamanxero Жыл бұрын
Was excited for this, I ordered from eBay what I thought was the same charger, but I got something with a slightly different PCB on it. PCB has a model number "MQ B-04". Traces are slightly different two 1.1 or 1 ohm coming off positive, the resistors seem swapped 22ohm in series with led and 150 going to positive contact. Resistor groupings on the board is different from your example, where resistors outside the first ones on the positive side input are placed around each positive battery terminal and led. Interesting with the differences between your example, and the one I got from eBay.
@MrTomasssh
@MrTomasssh 11 ай бұрын
I got one from AliExpress and expected the same. The one I got had the exact schematic as Clive drew on the previous video (one R parallel with an R and an LED). Different PCB layout and values though (1k in series with the LED and parallel to a 24R). I removed the 24R and now I wonder if using a 1k and LED in series with the cell even charges it at all. There is current flowing because the LEDs light up (quite well, actually)
@thaphreak
@thaphreak Жыл бұрын
They totally saw your video and made a revision 😂
@zomgsako
@zomgsako Жыл бұрын
Back in the days then I was young and naive I "hacked" one of those spring loaded chargers, basically threw out all the circuitry and just added a connector to hook it to a RC battery charger. I needed to charge 4 eneloop at a time (for Tamiya mini4wd models). Turns out the springs can't bear a 2A charge, they get super hot and melt. Lesson learned!
@steviejanssen
@steviejanssen Жыл бұрын
Clive, you made my day, I also defied using smd´s for years😂 Being an electronician since 1990... love your videos, you´re the best. 73´s.
@NaturallyCuriousUK
@NaturallyCuriousUK Жыл бұрын
Delightful. Good to see that surface mount is not so scary, and a nice tool tip about the tweezers at the end. I have actually built a 3 board version of the Simple NiMH battery charger (with PCB files) Big Clive showed us how to make. 👍🙂👍
@craignehring
@craignehring Жыл бұрын
Rightyo? Trying to sound cool... Nice work there master Clive
@graemebrumfitt6668
@graemebrumfitt6668 Жыл бұрын
Rite Big Dude, Neat little hack. I was using my ceramic tweezers the other day and thought, wonder if Clive still uses his as I haven't seen them for a while! Love mine so thanks for pointing them out. TFS, GB :)
@PeterShipley1
@PeterShipley1 Жыл бұрын
I'm with you about Surface Mount, if it's a simple circuit I prefer the larger traditional components
@JohnClulow
@JohnClulow Жыл бұрын
Many useful tips (as usual). Thanks!
@binaryguru
@binaryguru Жыл бұрын
USB 2.0 can only support 500mA anyway so I think it makes sense that the charger does not go above that.
@jkobain
@jkobain Жыл бұрын
And some dirty wall adapters can't even supply this much, eh.
@ADEEntertainment308
@ADEEntertainment308 Жыл бұрын
ninaryguru Hey What's up
@Tomlinsky
@Tomlinsky Жыл бұрын
That's if the current to be passed from a 'Host' has been negotiated via protocol with an attached device. Most USB PSU's aren't designed as compliant USB Hosts and never enumerate with an attached device and will happily pass-thru whatever current is available depending on the design of whatever is attached.
@Jason-gj1pu
@Jason-gj1pu Жыл бұрын
Ahh Clive turns something I can't understand into something I can't understand. I feel relieved from my own stupidity.
@elk3909
@elk3909 Жыл бұрын
im so glad im ultra near sighted. ive never needed a magnify glass since my eyes have a focal distance of 1.5 inches. in electronics class i was the only one able to do smd chips and ics without a microscope. so the teachers had to debate how to grade me since i had a advantage over all the other students.
@TravisTev
@TravisTev Жыл бұрын
My eyesight is the same way. I think my main concern if I got into electronics would just be protecting my eyes when working with tools at such close distances.
@johnbrandolini2915
@johnbrandolini2915 11 ай бұрын
Being near sighted myself I have always had an advantage when working with small parts but take it from me when you get down to 0402 pitch and smaller parts you will need a microscope. The 01005 parts are not much bigger than a grain of sand.
@martinclemesha4794
@martinclemesha4794 Жыл бұрын
Just the everyday kind of project I find very interesting.
@gregorythomas333
@gregorythomas333 Жыл бұрын
I use Nitecore chargers...single, dual & quad...for my batteries...Eneloop AA & AAA...plus Samsung 18650's. They work great and have not failed to charge nor have they overcharged to date.
@ADEEntertainment308
@ADEEntertainment308 Жыл бұрын
Let's do this come on ❤❤
@pincombe
@pincombe Жыл бұрын
my nitecore charger has a ton of coilwhine tho so much so I only pull it out when I really need to
@PaulSteMarie
@PaulSteMarie Жыл бұрын
I would assume that the current draw had been limited to 500mA, which is the default limit for USB in the absence of shorted data lines, weird resistor combinations, or current negotiation.
@andygozzo72
@andygozzo72 Жыл бұрын
there is no 'negotiation', is just a straight resistive current limit circuit, similar to most mains powered nicad/nimh chargers although one i have is more like the previous 'rougher' one, relying on the resistance of the transformer secondary wire to limit current !! you could even use a small bulb as current limiter, i've done a few times, for this a 6v 0.04a in each channel would do nicely , although not easy to find, 0.06a ones bit easier
@demef758
@demef758 Жыл бұрын
The original USB spec was 100 mA (the pre-negotiated value) and 500 mA (the post negotiated value). The problem with that is that SOMETHING had to be able to limit the currents, and that semiconductor was $$$. Most of the Asian-supplied PCs were focused on low cost, so they omitted the current-limiting circuitry to save money. You often had the PC's raw 5V supply wired directly to the VBUS leads on the USB ports. In time, most PC guys threw up their hands and said "why bother?" and current was no longer limited. Now you have little 5V 1A and 2A wall warts that have no real current limiting to them. I recall long ago when the PC guys inquired of Apple what it would cost to add Apple's Firewire ports on their machines. Apple's reply was $1/port. They were outraged, saying that a USB port's cost was about 1/4th of that. Apple then tried to backpeddle and lower the licensing price, but the damage was done. How many PCs did you see with Firewire ports (before Apple killed Firewire)? My point being that PC manufacturers are extremely cost-conscious.
@ejonesss
@ejonesss Жыл бұрын
for nicd and nimh that circuitry is not bad at all . in the 80s often the dc from the power supply could just go to the cells and that was fine for charging nicd and nimh. today's lithium even the lifepo4 and lto variants require more advanced circuitry than a simple resistor to limit current.
@CBitsTech
@CBitsTech Жыл бұрын
Links to things like your flux and tweezers would be handy please. They might earn you a few pennies too if they're Amazon or eBay affiliate links.
@plageran
@plageran Жыл бұрын
a skill i have yet to master, it's fun to play around on old phone chargers
@jkobain
@jkobain Жыл бұрын
By the way, they sell 8W rechargeable soldering irons based on a similar to EVOD devices design and 510 screw-on soldering pieces (those you showcased before). They aren't very powerful and don't last much off of full charge; yet, they can save you in the field / during a power outage. Moreover, they started to sell like more powerful soldering pieces with a set of changeable tips and spare heating elements, and bigger announced heating power, which could make them a better solutions for owners of more powerful battery mods. Have you tried these ones yet? I'm asking because even these eight-watts things are not as bad as I expected, and if you ever happen to get yourself the newer version, it'd be quite interesting to hear your review.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom Жыл бұрын
I have made a couple of videos about the vape based soldering irons.
@joystickmusic
@joystickmusic Жыл бұрын
The schottky diode is not so needed, because the LEDs also are in series with the batteries, unless you do not trust them to block the back flow. And in your drawing, you did not cross out the two 5Ω1 resistors
@johnsonlam
@johnsonlam Жыл бұрын
Nice hack, thanks.
@beefaroni4733
@beefaroni4733 Жыл бұрын
all these weirdos telling me i need tweezers and a magnifying lens and a tiny soldering tip meanwhile you're out here rawdogging it with a standard tip and just wiping them off. well, guess i learned something today.
@nickolaswilliams935
@nickolaswilliams935 Жыл бұрын
The schottky diode is actually superfluous, the LED’s will provide reverse protection on their own. Solder bridge the schottky, you’ll get a slight bump in charge current to boot.
@spinb
@spinb Жыл бұрын
That USB Buck Booster sure looks interesting.
@nicolassales8679
@nicolassales8679 Жыл бұрын
Clive, thanks for the regular reminders to never fly in a Chinese built aircraft!
@jkobain
@jkobain Жыл бұрын
I do have some NiMH AA and AAA cells. For instance, I've been using NiMH AA ones in my wireless mouse every day for more than ten years already; and I can't really tell how many days or weeks it takes to discharge one cell. The mouse has a boost circuit in it, so it drains the cell quicker, but doesn't require two (thus neither weighs significantly more, nor falls to using two AAAs). Those cells I bought before switching to this wireless mouse are still with me, and I honestly can't really even tell which of them all were bought a bit later; maybe only by date codes, or measuring their capacity degradation. I used to think NiCd cells are better for low-current applications: I've been told they have smaller self-discharge current. But, again, after more than ten years of using NiMH cells every day, I can't complain. Initially, I didn't really like Lithium cells when they started appearing here and there, I was even more dumb and incompetent than I am now (surprisingly, it was possible!), plus they weren't as good as they can be today. Nowadays, I still like NiMH cells, already like Lithium cells (recently found three discarded POD units, one of them is rechargeable and supports cartridges with e-liquid and mesh heater), but my observations show that NiCd cells are leaving us: they suffer from memory effects similar to those of NiMH ones, they chemically degrade like faster, and their capacity per weight and per volume haven't been improved lately by the manufacturers. I may be wrong (and I often tend to be), but this is my personal experience.
@aharkness5657
@aharkness5657 Жыл бұрын
My first thought about the big and little resistor in parallel is that the design was meant to be used with one or the other depending on if you need extra dissipation or can go with one size of resistor. Someone just decided to populate both in the end and maybe double the value to end up with the 2.something ohms.
@phonotical
@phonotical Жыл бұрын
Whoever designed that cardboard box was clearly a doctor who fan...
@Nono-hk3is
@Nono-hk3is Жыл бұрын
As someone who did the same a few years ago, I've enjoyed watching you come to terms with surface mount over the past few years.
@ADEEntertainment308
@ADEEntertainment308 Жыл бұрын
❤❤❤
@jkobain
@jkobain Жыл бұрын
I was going to mention it will do its best at revitalizing «dead» NiMH cells your smart chargers won't agree to recognize, and it will recover them in the safest manner possible. But you said it right away.
@joshwalker5605
@joshwalker5605 Жыл бұрын
Content free comment to drive engagement for my favorite channels
@Edmorbus
@Edmorbus Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@lookoutleo
@lookoutleo Жыл бұрын
Nice mod , thankyou for sharing
@fraaggl
@fraaggl Жыл бұрын
very simple circuit, i understood everything !
@Mr.Unacceptable
@Mr.Unacceptable Жыл бұрын
I would rather use surface mount than through hole. Much easier to work with once you have a system.
@twocvbloke
@twocvbloke Жыл бұрын
The other issue with letting batteries sit at a higher current is the rapid expulsion of electrolyte, when they go bang, cos someone tried charging a battery on the wrong supply and soiled themselves when said battery went pop... :P
@PsiQ
@PsiQ Жыл бұрын
Never checked how those springcontacts worked. A lot simpler than i expected. This is one of those products were a bit more thought into the components, without any higher cost, would make it a good product.
@Megamannen
@Megamannen Жыл бұрын
USB2 spec only allows 500mA current draw. Probably that's why it's limited to 450
@h-leath6339
@h-leath6339 Жыл бұрын
Ghhaaaaahhhh! I hate SMC. Inappropriately small. You are a master Mr. Clive!
@symonbuck3911
@symonbuck3911 8 ай бұрын
I would be tempted to remove the 5.11 ohm resistors to reduce the trickle current!
@u.e.u.e.
@u.e.u.e. Жыл бұрын
It's *amazing* , how you recognise with your knowledge a faulty/not ideal product, analyse the manufacturer's mistake(s) and improve the product to your needs with just some touches with the soldering iron and one available component out of the box! 😃👍
@jkobain
@jkobain Жыл бұрын
Clive is a gem.
@u.e.u.e.
@u.e.u.e. Жыл бұрын
@@jkobain Yesss! 😃👍
@jkobain
@jkobain Жыл бұрын
@@u.e.u.e. he taught me a lot, while simply doing things he himself enjoys and talking whatever he likes. The way he presents knowledge and technicalities is just priceless and easy.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom Жыл бұрын
I'm just feeling awkward and humble now.
@edwardfletcher7790
@edwardfletcher7790 Жыл бұрын
Those L shaped sliding contacts are the only way to do reliable charging. A simple spring always heats up and fails.
@rogierius
@rogierius Жыл бұрын
Noob here, but the L-shape battery holding mechanism has a spring as well. Or am I missing something obvious here?
@edwardfletcher7790
@edwardfletcher7790 Жыл бұрын
@@rogierius The standard battery holder springs tend to act as induction loops (like your stove). This heavy L shape plate & "spring" is designed to accept multiple battery sizes and avoid heating.
@alldave
@alldave Жыл бұрын
So the back feed is actually a secret feature to drain the batteries for storage 😮
@ADEEntertainment308
@ADEEntertainment308 Жыл бұрын
Cool project
@jmr
@jmr Жыл бұрын
I "Rescue" cells with an alligator clip and another cell in parallel for a few seconds. Just enough to trick my smart charger. 😂
@d.t.4523
@d.t.4523 Жыл бұрын
Cool. Great improvement. Are they available from Big Clive Industrial Electronics Corporation yet? I'll take 2. Keep working. Good luck! 👍
@piconano
@piconano Жыл бұрын
I'd be very interested to see the guts of an Ikea charger that looks like this one. This one looks like it was made by one dude in his basement!
@darkcloudsxiaoisbestgirl4846
@darkcloudsxiaoisbestgirl4846 Жыл бұрын
This was a fun video.
@DogsLife12
@DogsLife12 Жыл бұрын
Through hole is the new point to point.
@stevelloyd5785
@stevelloyd5785 Жыл бұрын
I have the same crappy charger, sort of. Case seems to be the same, PCB nearly the same but different resistors and I think there's no input resistance. I just deleted the 4 low value 'Charge' resistors and let the LED and series resistor deliver about 8 or 9 mA per cell. Really no need for the input diode as the cells won't discharge through the LEDs. Will they?
@cerulyse
@cerulyse Жыл бұрын
I've collected several from car boot sales 50p and that show you when people buying essentially unserviceable products containing lithium ion
@Zools_tube
@Zools_tube Жыл бұрын
I'll share my tip for surface mount components, you need a stick of paper glue and a cocktail stick. Put a tiny bit of glue in the middle of the component with one end of the stick & place it on the pcb. Then using the other end apply a little pressure to keep it there while you solder it.
@Netties8266
@Netties8266 Жыл бұрын
That bottle of flux looks like my urine sample I gave to the doctor today.
@brucepickess8097
@brucepickess8097 Жыл бұрын
Have you checked to see if it's suitable for soldering ?although if it is I'm not sure that you could stand the stench.😏
@Netties8266
@Netties8266 Жыл бұрын
I wear an old ww2 mask when using it. Come back after a day and the joint is corroded. Gives it an antique finish and Tom cats around. That way the project also gets a cat scan at the same time. Win win all around.
@brucepickess8097
@brucepickess8097 Жыл бұрын
@@Netties8266 Ok, so urine is fine, however let's not use it all of the time. 👍😏
@deefalee2345
@deefalee2345 Жыл бұрын
Clive.. Why do you need a diode at the voltage input point if you remove the 18ohm resistors ? There are 4 diodes in the circuit already!
@legionofanon
@legionofanon Жыл бұрын
If you dont mind spending a little bit of cash, I really like the Nitecore battery chargers. they have a much longer spring contact so its capable of charging AA, AAA, and 18650 batteries. I think I charged a slightly larger battery cell than the 18650 for one vape I had, but I dont recall whats its number is. The nitecore has 2 and 4 battery bay options and the one I have has a nice lcd screen for showing charge rate and battery voltage and estimated charge level of 0 to 4 bars
@BrazzaB1
@BrazzaB1 Жыл бұрын
Do you actually need the additional diode as the circuit is now through the LED's?
@richardbriansmith8562
@richardbriansmith8562 Жыл бұрын
Awesome Video big clive
@Handyman1199
@Handyman1199 Жыл бұрын
The Schoppky Diode isnt neccesary anymore since the LEDs prevent reverse discharging as well now that there are no resistors parralel to the LEDs, right?
@linuxras
@linuxras Жыл бұрын
Clive would the led not prevent auto discharge since you are removed those resistors?
@nucleochemist
@nucleochemist Жыл бұрын
Anyone who wants a good multipurpose and multifunction charger just get a BT-C3100 or newer and you won't have to solder, modify, or reverse engineer anything. I use it for testing battery capacities and topping Ni-MH and Li-ion daily.
@1kreature
@1kreature Жыл бұрын
Wooooh! Ceramic tweezers! Nice!
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom Жыл бұрын
And very cheap on eBay too.
@LoftechUK
@LoftechUK Жыл бұрын
It’s not rocket science but you do make it clear.
@Njazmo
@Njazmo Жыл бұрын
Maybe the first resistors was a voltage divider, so you don't push something like 4 volts into a 1.2V cell, but you can easily measure things, or calculate.
@pintokitkat
@pintokitkat Жыл бұрын
I resisted smc for years to until I realised they did away with drilling and I could do all the soldering at once on a home made heat pad. Forehead slap followed.
@notyoung
@notyoung Жыл бұрын
How much reverse leakage through those LEDs? Possibly use them instead of adding a diode?
@finger351
@finger351 Жыл бұрын
I bought the same ceramic tipped tweezers when I tried surface mount witchcraft, then realised I'm not a witch when it took 45 minutes to solder 6 resistors. Bollocks to that, I'll stick with through hole.
@Ni5ei
@Ni5ei Жыл бұрын
12:14 How come your Topnik RF800 is yellowish brown? I use that stuff as well (bought a 1 liter bottle for around €20) but it's pretty much colourless. It's great flux, albeit very thin.
@bigclivedotcom
@bigclivedotcom Жыл бұрын
It's possibly been diluted a bit further.
@TheChipmunk2008
@TheChipmunk2008 Жыл бұрын
I still have lots of NiCd AAs, from emergency lights... :)
@nomusicrc
@nomusicrc Жыл бұрын
I have an 8 cell GE charger and a four cell GE charger I have so many nickel metal hydride batteries that I bought another eight and four cell off of eBay
@davey2k12
@davey2k12 Жыл бұрын
Cud try shorting data connection on the usb plug but may allow 2amp if mains adapter is capable otherwise it be 500ma standard 1amp if that cable was any good 😅 Good idea for trickle charger tho👍
@jimmybrad156
@jimmybrad156 Жыл бұрын
Just got a BT-C3100; not bad for the price, but it trickles my LSD eneloops after charging whether I like it or not. It should give the option to disable trickle charging.
@merwindor
@merwindor Жыл бұрын
The case looks so trashy I half expected a fake ioniser to be stuffed in there just for old times sake.
@Sazoji
@Sazoji Жыл бұрын
I have a NiZn charger that's pretty advanced, has some form of monitoring or a fake way with dual-color LEDs
@jkobain
@jkobain Жыл бұрын
They usually have red and green in parallel, but green LED has higher forward voltage drop and lights up only when the current going into the battery drops low. They either connect such an indicator in parallel with the cell, or through a transistor, or control it via some IC.
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