You know, this is the mess you end up in, in you mind, when you see the world through race and identity. You completely miss reality and it really hurts your intellect, making you miss the clear contradictions.

It is very difficult to follow a train of thought or a cohesive point of view when listening to Ebrahim...and he seems to struggle actually answering the questions without going on a 15 min monologue

Apologies, l am more confused than ever as to what the point is.

I am not sure this interview reaches ' a way forward' . Where do we go from here? Pointing fingers is getting us nowhere! The white dominated did wrong or were self centred and arrogant and the black dominated did wrong and were also self centred. Weighing up who did the worse wrong to destroy the SA we have now is not helping!! We need to address the economy and skills and management in the public system. FAST!. Otherwise we will have not economic transformation to discuss. We have TWO choices in this election and we know who they are. There are 2 blocks! 1. The Constitutional Democracy that we hoped would guide us to improve the lives of ALL. We have not 'really' seen our Constitution work properly yet!!! It needs development around the economy too - which never happened. 2. We choose the apparently socialist/communist version of capitalism that will likely end in totalitarian rule where those in power can emulate their heroes in Russia, China and North Korea. Mr Ebrahim. I appreciate your insights. Let's get the Economic 'Codesa' under way ... ? We need to dialogue properly around these issues. Calling out race groups is not helping. BEE was 'tried'. BBBEE was 'attempted. They have results. The National Development Plan of 2012 was never tried. Instead the stealing of public money through THE PUBLIC SECTOR & SOEs through cadre deployment and very smart corruption of the procurement systems within these institutions occurred. We can all see the results. We need another way. Well meaning and greedy blacks and whites have been part of the entire system. We can blame the tragedy of APartheid. We can blame white corporates from 1994 til today. We cannot do this, however without also calling out the tragedy and lost opportunity of Black Leadership in Government (i.e. the RULERS) to build on what 'we had' at the time - like good public hospitals and electrical, water and railway infrastructure. Apartheid. 1994 Democracy & BEE. 30 years of ANC 'Democracy'. None of these systems have helped the poor to participate meaningfully in the economy and live a life of dignity. We need leadership who has a concrete plan to FIX the infrastructure. Then we need a genuine proposal to re-organise the economy with much needed INNOVATION. We cannot stay stuck in simple 'capitalism vs socialism' models. There is no pure capitalist or socialist economy in the world they are all various combinations that include both models. What we have to choose though is either constitutional democracy as our guiding light or there is totalitarian, one party state rule which guides 'everything' according to it's constitution which is possible under 'a fake democracy' wherein fair elections is simply theatrics. Leaders sat down at CODESA in the 90's. We need another URGENT DIALOGUE about the economy. It cannot remain a pyramid shape - cause nothing is trickling down to the poor! Get the adults - from all races - into the room and let's sort this out!! It will require calm headed leaders to mediate. It will need all ego's to be put aside. It will need the smartest people to present viable options to meet ALL requirements. We have to work with facts and not 'ideologies'. Nothing is clear cut in our crazy world. But we need the best possible and 'peaceful' solution to take us forward. We have to try again until something works. It will require more than just politics! Let's negotiate 'THE SA ECONOMY'. The current version of 'free market capitalism' is not working for ALL and a GOV who nationalises 'everything' is not going to work either. We have too many complex issue to deal with which is why we need the broadest possible engagement on the issue. One party will never have all the answers for a peaceful & prosperous future. We ALL need public education on 'what is an economy' and 'what are our options' and 'how do we implement it' !!! Only then can we truly be informed enough to choose who we want in power to govern - not rule - but manage our economic system for the benefit of all. The Economy is the only machine we have to reach the dream we all had in 1994. How do we get to 'the best possible one'?

World champion of waffling on and on and on and on forever and never ever getting to the point is in the house. It's incredible. The sheer number of tangents is over 9000.

Mike please let it be the last time you have Ebrahim on the show. Not a knock on his views but his manner of communication is insufferable.

Mike man... I really like your Socratic interviews. Keep it up! :)

Ebrahim should have prepared a systematic approach to explained himself. He had too many points that @ times contradict itself. Or he should allowed Mike to lead him into a simplified systematic analysis of his previous interview. He is speaking truth & have the knowledge.

The ongoing correlation of race to class in SA and the US is concretely based on lack of understanding, individual accountability mind set and market culture. If the specific aim is to build a skin colour switch in corporations SUCCESSFULLY the primary change needs to occur and is largely in the hands of, the majority zeitgeist and underpinnings. I agree with Mike, there is a sad, pervasive lack of understanding what it takes to build wealth for all. Structural short cuts like BEEE and incompetent state ownership have not worked. Changes in culture and thinking within the majority are essential.

Ebrahim Harvey, like a lot of South Africans you cannot let go of apartheid. We need to focus on education at all levels, then change will happen naturally.

This Man is all over the place...

So eloquently explained! Yes this SA under ANC rule! Pain, hunger, strife under your “own”leadership! Yet I do remember leaving in exile as youngster, those countries were liberated by the likes of ANC- liberation movements! Where are they today economically, socially etc! Alas May 29th 2024 bring the unthinkable shock to ANC once & for all 🤞🏽

I dont know about that. I see many muslims and indian muslims at the top in organizations.

Really enjoy his man

Eskom is a highly technical entity requiring strong engineering expertise. Unfortunately the HR Department of Eskom went too far with Affirmative Action by overnight and aggressively getting rid of whites at all levels and replacing them with Africans of dubious quality. NamPower is one of the best run national electricity utilities in Africa and its success is attributed to being able to strike the right balance between the "old" and the "new"

Can it be possible that 40% profits of each listed company can go to the worker on ground? Or used for them to become shareholders... Perhaps a dynamic change that workers have some form ownership....

The ANC would have a fund to upgrade spaza shops to supermarkets to chain stores. Instead, they allowed regular White retail supermarkets/chain stores to flourish in the townships and informal settlements.

“Here is the heart of the matter… blah blah blah”. Tell me again what is the heart of the matter? Right of reply is important, thank you, now we can make up our minds about this commentator.

Is it fair to note that if he's career is focused on race, colour, etc then doing away or finally overcoming race, colour, etc will make him irrelevant! I'd love him to take a few minutes to listen or read wonderful Prof Thomas Sowell.

CODESA was a very dishonest agreement. Who can in the right mind transfer skills to his/her competitor? Who can give capital or markets to his/her competitor? The ANC must have been stupid to agree to that.

"Economics of revenge" Yea! this is what's happening

Mr Harvey's been to Room 101

😂😂😂😂😂this old horse is a joke tooo much to say without making any sense

Let me tell you. I can't listen to this much waffling, never getting to the point.

I appreciate that you didn't bring another puppet who would mock his own people in order to impress white people at our expense. If you bring more independent thinkers, I might consider subscribing.

I really have no idea what he is ACTUALLY trying to say. Mike, man, this guy can jump around and rattle on in long monologues. I am so tired of hearing rubbish like the JSE and corporate world is white. All major corporate companies have more black executives than white executives. Maybe people should stop making assumptions and start visiting these companies to see what they have actually done and is still doing to try create a diverse structure. I also do agree that the transfer of knowledge was handled badly, but by whose fault? In SOE's white workers, who were willing to train people, were retrenched in their thousands just to prove a point. Now, when everything seems to fall apart, it looks like they are now trying to blame them for not transferring skills. I know a lots of people that went through that process of just being cast aside. All they did, was to start multiple private businesses to make a living and ultimately consult back to SOE's to try save them when they collapsed.

Mr Blah blah blah .. this guest talks are about moaning moaning whithout . Hes just singing in my time. I hear a complainant not an analyst. Hes always looking back n never forward. He comes across as anoying complainant reminicing about the past.

I agree with the level of incompetence in the country, but to put it as black people being incompetent is wrong. The few people in charge now are not representative of black capabilities.

What we need is ANC ministers taking over as CEOs of all the big corporates 😂😂 😂

You can break race and class what are you talking about??? If you look there is more wealth black people (5.6million) then whites in the whole country(4.5million). please explain how you even can compare 4 million people to 50million people. How can you compare the avg white family with 1.5 children to a black family with an avg of 4 children. They cry that more black people don't have a house or don't have a job or so on but that will always be the case. its impossible to not have those numbers. But using numbers like that allows these people to let white, coloured and Indian people starve just because of their race.

🤣🤣🤣 Mike. I see that this topic got you" touched on your studio ",by Dr Harvey.

Is this man drunk?

Black goverments in Africa waz never ever sucessful. They always live in the past.. firstly they must stop the hatred.