Warwick Davis as Puck genius

Echo can't listen to criticism, because she's deaf, you bigot.

So the fun fact the tribe they used the chatow are basically the pick me of native Americans tribes

I am interested to hear which series is worse:Echo or Robyn Hood?

@@jrwilliams4029 tough call. On the one hand, he won’t have to hear echo’s protagonist speak, but on the other, Robyn hood’s main character engaged in more “action” than echo could believably choreograph for their actual action show. Just ask the cookie jar

Exactly what happened to show don’t tell

It's like Tywin said. "Any man who must say I am the king, is no true king"

Agreed.

"Time to be powerful." -CW Batwoman

Neither do real fatass characters, but that never stops Lizzo.

It left me speechless and unable to stand.

Creatively it doesn't have a leg to stand on.

............... ^that was the sound of a drum and cymbal but as heard by Echo

Its deaf‐inetly going to be a stand alone feature

Ba doom, tiss! 👍

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So did he. Note the reference to physics and going back to school. Fury losing his eye was stupid and a desecration, but it at least made sense. Powerful space cat scratches you? Yep, that would be a permanent scar. This is apparently cartoon physics bad.

If Echo's leg had been scratched off by a housecat, they could have used cat based marketing, like in Ms Marvel.

Cut off by a shard of windscreen glass 😂😂. Even though glass in windscreens breaks into small cubes for safety reasons...

When he made that comment, my first thought was to Nick Fury in Captain Marvel and how he lost his eye

well good news bozo, there is a legitimate reason why she lost them.

To be fair, watching them try to communicate could be hilarious

The Boys already did that with the blind super who homelander made deaf

It would be a huge gamble

So Moon Knight 2.0?

As long as it is directed by a woman of color and starring a deaf and blind actress of color.

Instead, she knows you are a kind and respectful person.

I used to teach English overseas and a woman came to me that was deaf and she wanted me to reach her not only to read and write (she actually was decent at it from school but hadn't kept up since graduating) but also wanted to learn to lip read was even practicing verbal communication. She was a very happy person and just accepted her disability and wanted to work to get around it. She knew it was holding her back but wasn't letting it stop her from doing more. We worked for many months before I moved away but I still follow her Facebook and she became a professional photographer . She is good and is living a good life because she doesn't give up. Point is, they don't need or want you to pander to them. They want to get better and overcome their weaknesses just as we should try with our own.

Would have thought. It is never would of.

I work with a man who's hearing deteriorated due to a head injury as a child. He uses hearing aids and lip reading. He told me that his hearing aids are good but not perfect so if he can hear and see it's much better. He had a terrible time during covid as he couldn't lip read through masks. Whenever we worked together we'd ditch the masks so we could communicate better.

Because that would be completely nonsensical. Why would we celebrate something that makes life more challenging? It’s pretend virtue. It’s the same thing when we tell a 100+ pound overweight woman she is hot. We are just lying to them. No one celebrates deafness because it’s not something to celebrate.

They could always claim the director was blind.

It's so egregious!

Its okay. Attacking the fans is falling on deaf ears.

Is there a Deaf Girl in this series?

At least they found a deaf amputee to play their deaf amputee. I’m sure all the deaf amputees are excited to see their disability paraded in a fictional manner on tv so they too know they can be superheroes.

One of the most badass characters in Captain America: The Winter Soldier is the control-room tech who, even with a gun to his head, refused to follow HYDRA's orders. Ten-thousand times more badass than the shrimpy little stronk unrepentant wammans who perform physically-impossible stunts with the help of fifteen cuts.

@youwillbehappyorelse6685 “Sorry… Captains orders” Yep, badass.

I'd have to imagine being Kurt Russell in "Soldier". Which, honestly, not enough people have watched.

Leo DiCaprio won an Oscar for that. In the Revenant, most of his scenes were solo where he conveyed pain and anger through grunts and non-verbal communication after being attacked by a bear and left for dead by his comrades

Cole Sprouse carries the entirety of "Lisa Frankenstein" and only actually speaks words for less than a minute. (Although he honestly does play a great reanimated corpse and is in fact remarkably expressive, I'm definitely saying the bar is set so low that it's in hell.)

I think I went to more then one midnight premiere. How embarrassing. Oh well it was fun at the time.

Apparently they changed her powers too. You know, to make it more “DIVERSE”. Not that I care though I stopped giving Disney my $ years ago. And their current $hit isn’t even worth sailing the seven seas…

@@richhutchinson2934 Heard about that. Something about " talking to her ancestors", right?

@@richhutchinson2934 I'm from Brazil, so I can attest to that

Except when the writers and artists forget she's deaf. I highly doubt she'd be able to read Spider-Man's lips.

@@BiggieTrismegistus There's always a artist who forgets something about the character they're writing for. Hard to find a character that hasn't suffered from that

Couldn't agree more, well said.

Actually, many people do refuse the new internal device, because it's very disorienting to them, they get terrible headaches and side effects, and therefore it's far from a 1oo% success rate, for a rather delicate and heavy surgery. So maybe , if you don't know the topic and its intricacies, don't issue blanket statements just because you watched an episode of a tv show. Not even speaking of mostly loosing your community You've been living in sometimes your whole life. So no, not such an easy decision as it may seem at first glance

​​@@ChristmasLorewhy would someone lose their community for accepting treatment? Changing someone's comment so you can pontificate isn't helping. Anyone that might not want treatment because of the potential side effects or complications are valid reasons to hesitate or turn down treatment. But they weren't talking about that, nor were they making blanket statements, beyond identifying with a medical condition to the point of closing yourself off to treatment is a limiting belief. We can all see it with people that resist blood transfusions on religious grounds, and we'd all be critical there but the same principle is in play here too.

Funny enough, those points are mentioned in the series. @@ChristmasLore

@@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher - it's completely different situations. For one, the blood transfusions you're talking about are often life saving. And the refusal based on religious beliefs. You obviously have zero knowledge of the different deaf communities, so I won't even try. And btw, I've seen all seasons of House MD, and I happen to remember that episode. None of these issues were deeply explained/explored. Ps: I often have to modify my comments because English isn't my first language and I notice a mistake, or two, or three

@@ChristmasLore it's a pity you feel you have to make that assumption, because it's been something that has impacted people close to me. My aunt and my cousin wouldn't talk for years until recently because my aunt, who was deaf since her teens had an implant and can hear again but her daughter had very much the belief this was a betrayal of her community (she herself was not deaf) and it caused a significant rift in that wing of the family. My aunt had never heard her husband's or children's voices, and her daughter could not be moved from the idea that her mother was abandoning or diminishing a community by wanting to hear them. It was selling out in my cousin's mind. My comparison was never based upon the outcomes being the same, but the self imposed belief underlying it isn't universal- if someone wants to have that belief, go for it, but it's unreasonable to think it applies wholesale to a population of individuals that are only grouped because of a condition.

I love to watch movies and shows with blind people. They never complain about the quality for some reason.

Are you trying to say this show doesnt have a leg to stand on?

😂😂😂you are funny!

@@stananders2333 😂

I still rewatch that series from time to time... granted it got into jump the shark territory in the last couple of seasons but early on it was tremendous.

Superhero comics being kind of cheesy is why I liked them. The combination of things that are silly with complete earnestness struck me as charming.

@@BiggieTrismegistus Agreed. I think what we consider cheesy, is just something produced during a more optimistic time. Shows just how far we've strayed.

I don't give a shit about "representation", but AoS nailed it. Several female leads, multiple backgrounds, and they never crammed it down your throat. They show without telling how badass they are. They don't neuter the guys, everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. Everyone relies on everyone else. Everything was in service to the story. The characters occasionally fuck up and they all grow. Aside from a cringy line or two, for that many seasons, they did it so well.

@@Metalgarn I love the first seasons. Problem was that I put the show on hiatus, because the last seasons were only available on Disney+ here in Germany and I will do hell and pay for that. At some point I got D+ through shared watching, started with the first season I had not watched yet and... I had no F'ing clue what was going on. Apparently what happened between the last season and this one happened in a crossover between several other shows, which I had not watched and had no interest to do so. Which is, if you ask me, completely bollocks.

Yes, but he was evil. Why is he evil? Maybe because he used technology to fix his disabilities according people who make Echo. Should have just used the force and no prosthetics. In fact wouldn't this character be more "in character" not to rely on artificial leg help?

What about the Six Million Dollar Man and Bionic Woman? The Six Million Dollar Man had his right arm, both legs and left eye replaced with bionic parts. The Bionic Woman had her right arm, both legs and right ear replaced with bionic parts

darth vader let a light saber hurt him....what a loser

I don’t believe any of the actors that played his character were amputees in real life. Alaqua Cox on the other hand is an amputee and deaf outside of acting.

@@k.b.8912 Yep, stunning and brave. We get it. Bye, now. 🙄

@Arassar If it were comics accurate (it probably won't be), Daredevil COULD actually see her signing. He has a radar-like hearing ability that allows him to "see" sound waves. He'd hear the movement of the air on her hands, or the sounds from other stuff bouncing off her, and "see" the signs. Just like in the Daredevil movie with Ben Affleck, where he can "see" his female love interest because it started to rain, and he could "see" each raindrop hitting her, and created a sound-image of her. Obviously, it's not actually "seeing", but movies are a visual medium, and that's how it was represented to us. He simply hears the sound waves and can discern similar information about his surroundings that we can with our sight.

Critics pay day is coming up.

I guarantee it will be above 90%

It’s 64% right now lol

It's at 72% and 76% audience. The critics gave a few rotten scores. Secret Invasion, Eternals and Ant man 3, the critics like everything narrative is nonsense.

@@ad-sd-vids5332 72% currently

You mean, "updated it for modern sensibilities".

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me if "Maya Lopez" is an authentically Choctaw name. Personally I have my doubts.

@@BiggieTrismegistus I'm betting she's got as much Native American blood as Elizabeth Warren.

Original character was not even Chocktow in any case was she, they chose a more flamboyant looking tribe for this.

@@BiggieTrismegistus To my knowledge it's not... It's spanish.

And indigenous ..... like only native Americans are indigenous to any place

Don’t forget it’s also a Disney+ series. Truly the most disabled show ever.

Was she not a comic character? You act like they pulled this out of nowhere for their agenda

@@oXRaptorzXowell when all you market is how disabled and diverse the main character is and not the show, I mean, kinda

Watch Hawkeye or read a comic

Story? Ew. You obviously don’t have what it takes to be a Disney writer.

@@NOREMAC007 I also forgot that she was deaf

Correct, but the opposite of that is modern D.I.E./ESG - If you DON'T highlight those things and ONLY superficial things, then it shouldn't be made. Modern audiences that don't exist no longer care about "good stories, good writing, good characters", they only want your pronouns, skin color, what's in your pants and who you rub it up against.

At that point, you’re just using people with certain traits as zoo animals. “Come one, come all! Gawk at these weirdos, existing! How strange they look!”

Welcome to Hollywood, mate.

If only these MCU sycophants would go the same way as Jim's cultists did.

Flavor-Aid. Kool-Aid was too extravagant. Jones kilt his followers with a cheap knock off affordable brand. Thats what made him so evil.

The sad part is most (if not all) of the people reading your comment will totally NOT get your Jim Jones Kool-aid reference. Heck, most people scratch their heads when you mention a get out of jail free card...😂😂😂

If marvel *customers* (not fans) want the product then cool. But the financial evidence is that marvel customers do not want the product. Marvel has probably destroyed their market at this point and driven away over 2/3 of their customers. But if there *is* a path to recover, it's lower budgets, better writing and plotting, and returning to the 1980 to 2000 comic books canon.

The only difference is the quality of the kool-aid is still good.

🤣

Echo: Wiggles fingers. Daredevil: I can't hear you. It actually sounds like an amazingly funny parody.

Hmm. She started out as a supporting character in _Daredevil_ but I last read those issues like 15 years ago so I don't remember how they communicated.

Idk the people who made the comics daredevil and echo

😂Dude you made me choke on my food...😮​@@Anoneemus_Noenayme

AND she reads lips and speaks... so unless she's fighting ANOTHER deaf person, she's probably signing to someone who can't UNDERSTAND her signs.

maybe that's how she wins, shes there confusing her enemies@@Mereologist

What if the other person as the majority of the world do not even use or know ASL.

​@@DelDreddheck, my cousin is deaf and doesn't know ASL (AMERICAN sign language). It's irrelevant for the vast majority of the world.

This somehow murders trans people!!!!

Don't worry, all the ASL is subtitled. Even when the person is speaking out loud while they sign, it's still subtitled.

The Shape Of Water directed by Guillermo del Toro already gave us a deaf female protagonist that uses sign language.

@@davidfrancisco3502 Blind Fury gave us a blind protagonist that used a ...'cane'.

In CSI, Grissom's mother was deaf and they had entire episodes with deaf actors using ASL. Star Trek TNG had an episode where an alien negotiator named Reva's entire race was deaf and he used ASL as well as charades to communicate. Virtue signaling about the novelty of something that has been in TV and movies forever is so transparently stupid. Notice nobody is saying that the show is good. But it's diverse. And... representation... and inclusion... And didn't they change Echo's tribal affiliation for this show? She was Cheyenne in the comics, but now she's Choctaw? What about Cheyenne representation. Can't wait for Lizzo to play Queenpin.

Loved that one, nice mix of action and humour.

The blind swordsman. Kung fu the legend.

I thought Myers' portrayal of his drunken Scottish father in 'So I Married An Axe Murderer' was a better representation. 😂

@@NefariousKoel lol the irony of what was considered taking the piss with stereotypes 30 years ago is now woke representation

@@NefariousKoel Yep, a fantastically accurate representation--right down to the paranoid rants about Colonel Sanders!

Reminds me of the giant arrow pointing to the center for the blind in my city. Worst part is the arrow is up on a pole! Poor buggers can't even feel where they are at with their canes.

Aren’t these all natives? It’s my understanding the Choctaw nation stepped in to guide the cultural aspects.

They credited Choctaw Nation for their direct input and no stereotypical scenes like the Peace Pipe from ‘Peter Pan’.

It's pretty low scored compared to peak MCU stuff. No one thinks this is great.

It’s clear they were attempting to make an MCU version of Andor. A dark, slow burn about a little known side character from a primitive culture oppressed by colonizers with more violence and less superpowers than expected for the genre. The issue is they did a terrible job chopping it up and editing the footage shot.

wow you already saw the movie?

They communicate through the power of virtue.

"Shhh girl, shut your lips, do the Helen Keller and talk with your hips" .. 3 oh 3 were prophets

I'm imagining a Helen Keller moment. Or that time the Charlie's angels did that Morse code tapping.

“Yes, let’s treat dear people and members of a certain ethnic culture as zoo animals! So empowering!”

As someone who is increasingly hearing-impaired, if someone tells me they're celebrating my inability to hear my own children's voices? I tell them I'm gonna celebrate the concussion they're fixin' to get.

I see said the blind man to the deaf amputee.

​@@YouWillBeHappyOrElse😂😂😂

we are in the era of celebrating diabetes too, soooo, ya. welcome to current year

@@psychosociety7910 Body positivity models celebrating people's inability to just put down the fucking cheeseburger.

It's not unlike calling everyone from Europe "white" and then assuming they all wear lederhosen and speak English.

The director mentions Choctaw as being tied to Mohawk/Iroquois Nation (totally different region of the US, totally different tribes) and, in a Variety interview, mentions how they had to do research about the Choctaw tribe to make the show work - seemingly pretty surface-level research. They switched from Blackfeet to Choctaw even though the comic origin is apparently Cheyenne. Cheyenne would have made more sense considering the tribe is partially in Colorado, where you're more likely to see hispanic surnames. My guess is that the Blackfeet and Cheyenne tribes didn't want to get involved and/or they didn't want to film in the states these tribes are based in (Georgia film tax breaks...per a production brief, they struggled to make Georgia look like Oklahoma but it sure as hell can't look like the Rockies/Plains lol).

I figured a Choctaw named "Maya Lopez" is like a Mayan named "Indian Johnson".

And the Southwest.

(Shhhhh, it's another box to tick for them)

It was awesome in the Daredevil series, sure... but the actual Punisher series sucked ass

The language of failure is often a hands on experience

The fact that this show isn’t a failure though

Them: "calls every one a bigot in sign language"

Flashback to The Quiet Man.

Them: I also have a disability, we are vegan Me: so, IDGAF

Sadly they didn't invent that, that's just how social justice itself talks about those things. You need to be proud of and celebrate every single box you tick... unless you're straight, white, male, able bodied, skinny, or intelligent. Basically if it's something that can win you oppression points then it's a good thing that you need to force other people to think you're amazing for being/having. Remember when the fat acceptance movement mutated into fat pride? When feminism changed from demanding equality to pushing for female supremacy? When racial equality became ... you get the picture. Celebrate doesn't mean what it used it, just like every other word they've desecrated and repurposed for their evil ends.

It's actually a thing it seems, amongst some communities with things like deafness - there was a deaf woman on an Australian panel show that I saw who openly said that if she was going to have a child and had the choice to ensure that the child would be deaf (ie through genetic counselling and intervention etc), that that's what she would choose. I could barely believe what I was hearng or that this is a reasonable thing to publicly state, or that people would apparently push for such things to be one day legal, but yeh. Edit: for what it's worth though, I overall liked the show despite its flaws hah

She’s so badass, a glorified paper cut reduced her to a human pogo stick! So empowered!

BRUHHH They didn't even saw that it seems 😂😂😂

Does she scalp her enemies?

Give her some fire water.

You think it's any different from blacks and Mexicans in the MCU?

​@Darth_Lex some hairspray

😂 loved that game but never completed it

No way the white guy wins in a marvel show.

Well if she was born deaf she would have no idea how to talk since she never be able to hear any words

how

Exactly. You don’t need profit if the shareholders don’t care about their dividends or share price.

Not even Blackrock can survive if their agenda tanks all the industries they are giving loans. Eventually their own money will run out as well.

Blackrock is selling off assets because of the money they're losing.

Eventually, once they depopulate us down to their goal of 500 million total humans on Earth, there will always be an equal number of every human breed through sacrifice of the overstock, and replace the weak with the necessary amount of beaker borns to maintain perfect equilibrium, and equality of equity, and intersectional diversitivsm, and Intentical proto-binarium Mk.1 Fist-0-69p0

Because the PR departments say so.

It allows all kinds of people to see people like themselves in popular media

@@thebrondle9049 People like themselves? You mean teenage cartoon fantasies with superpowers?

Basically you've got people who exist, but are ultimately empty husks. They lack empathy for anyone but themselves, and have limited their identity to being certain traits like their gender identity, sexual orientation, ethnicity, and disability. So they can only connect to a character that has one of their own identifiable traits. Listen to them when they talk about why they like something, or better yet, why they say you hate it. Rey is boring and badly written character, a mary sue who just gets powers and abiltiites that allow her to beat everything in her path because... So they go "You just hate Rey cause she is a woman!" which means that is very high probability that is the only reason they like Rey. She is woman in popular thing. if you listen to normal people "With her son being sick, she braves through many trials even though she is not fearless and has a lack of power. Yet her desire to see her family is safe before the start of the farming year. The backgrounds are just gorgeous. And the acting is great all around. Its a great tale of overcoming adversity and working even with one's limitations, even if it does get oddly magically wrapped up in the end. But hey, get to at least see some of that sparkle. And no big lipped alligator moments. " vs "Its good movie cause woman goes feral and beats wannabe school shooter with laser sword."

@@zaphodbbroxthis

That's what happens when you carve out broad "racial" demographics.

No institutional western system does, every move they make is to destroy and collapse any hu-whyte country.