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Ecia Model 1930 Family: Lost Competitors to the Astra

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Juan Esperanza was one of the two partners who formed the Astra company (with Pedro Unceta). When the two had a falling-out in 1925 and parted ways, Esperanza formed his own company and went on something of a patenting binge. He made an unsuccessful attempt at designing a new machine gun for the Spanish army, and then settled down to make a family of pistols to compete with his former partner's. These were all called the Ecia Model 1930, and there was a small frame .25 ACP (targeted at the Astra 200 market), a medium frame .32 ACP / .380 ACP (to compete with the Astra 300), and a large frame 9mm Largo model to match up against the Astra 400. The Ecia design was double action, and each size offered a magazine capacity one greater than the comparable Astra. They also have a nicer grip angle, and handle more nicely than the Astra.
Unfortunately for Esperanza, the Spanish military had already adopted the Astra in 1921, and the new Ecia was not sufficiently better to warrant replacing the guns already in service. The pistols were also relatively expensive, and there was minimal civilian interest. Total Ecia production was just 100-150 guns, with each frame size being numbered in a separate series. For more information on the Ecia as well as Astra and other Spanish handguns, I recommend Leonardo Antaris' reference book "Astra Pistols and Selected Competitors":
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@stanleykendziorski7964
@stanleykendziorski7964 5 жыл бұрын
Whoever fireplace collector is, has a helluva collection.. always a treat
@JerryEricsson
@JerryEricsson 5 жыл бұрын
I worked for a very cheap Police Department, several years before I was hired, there was a jail break. The crooks broke into the police department which was unmanned at night, and stole the 3 revolvers that the PD owned, the 4th was in the hands of one of the officer. So it was, when I was hired, I was told that i would have to furnish my own handgun. Well at the time I had an old S&W Model 59 so I carried that for awhile but soon decided I wanted more power, such as a .45. Well I had an FFL at the time, so I went to Shotgun News and found the poor man's SIG, the Astra A-100, pretty much a direct copy of a Sig. So I ordered on in .45 ACP, and carried it for the rest of my police caree. That gun has served me well, and the quality of the finish on the gun has fooled plenty of folks into believing I was indeed carrying a Sig. At the range, I was able to out shoot all those who were up for qualification at the same time as I qualified. Many were still using old Smith revolvers and had to fire double action, where my little .45 was double action first short single every subsquent round. I loved the angle of grip on the gun, she is a natural pointer, and the 10 round carry capacity gives me a few extra's in case the shit hit the fan. I have 2 extra magazines giving me 30 rounds of powerful .45ACP at hand. I always have carried her with hardball ammo, I guess a hold over from my 8 years in the US Army firing that ammo.
@Ugly_German_Truths
@Ugly_German_Truths 4 жыл бұрын
Just the question how "a cheap police department" with less than half a dozen officers on payroll and "giving me 30 rounds of powerful .45ACP" compute. Did your small underfunded PD have to single handedly stop Bonnie and Clyde or reenact Rambo First Blood often?
@brodies2494
@brodies2494 Жыл бұрын
@@Ugly_German_Truths I would presume he payed for his own ammo as well as the pistol.
@blastshadowproject
@blastshadowproject 5 жыл бұрын
When Ian lets slip the extent of the serial number range: Me: Wow, this really is a forgotten weapon!
@Echowhiskeyone
@Echowhiskeyone 5 жыл бұрын
Also, I see three on the table. Ian: "You're looking at like 30% of the existing world supply" OK, definitely a Forgotten Weapon.
@johnmitchell923
@johnmitchell923 5 жыл бұрын
When you see Ian sitting in front of that fireplace your gonna see things you like
@klaasvaak-fw7yx
@klaasvaak-fw7yx 5 жыл бұрын
The trigger reminds me of a watergun
@paulshayter1113
@paulshayter1113 5 жыл бұрын
klaasvaak0413, 👍
@Never_heart
@Never_heart 2 жыл бұрын
I can't unsee it
@luisantolafrancis519
@luisantolafrancis519 5 жыл бұрын
Ian your spanish has improved a lot , very good pronunciation , the large military model ECIA in 9mm is a gorgeous example and the grips y think are original y have seen some other of theese pistols in the spanish magazine "ARMAS DE FUEGO" and they have wooden plane grips , maybe the only thing that guives me some boubt of the originality of the wood grips is that the ones y have seen have a round brass medallion but with no marks at all. theese maybe one of the most obscure hand guns of spain and to see a complete set is imposible , most of them desapeared during the civil war
@CrysResan
@CrysResan 5 жыл бұрын
Well he does live in Arizona.
@thegoldencaulk2742
@thegoldencaulk2742 5 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the Forgotten Fireplace. Tell me all of your secrets.
@johnmitchell923
@johnmitchell923 5 жыл бұрын
The forgotten fireplace has a better collection than most museums
@Grimmwoldds
@Grimmwoldds 5 жыл бұрын
@@johnmitchell923 The forgotten fireplace is actually an extra-dimensional space. You can reach out through tiny portals and grab guns from anytime/place you wish, review them, then put them back with none the wiser.
@LieutenantTbone
@LieutenantTbone 5 жыл бұрын
Haven’t seen you here in a while
@Superbouncybubble
@Superbouncybubble 5 жыл бұрын
TheGoldenCaulk is top comment, the fireplace is back, there's goofy Spanish pistol shenanigans; this really feels like a classic forgotten weapons video
@joaquinandreu8530
@joaquinandreu8530 5 жыл бұрын
I did not know Spain produced so many firearms and I'm a Spaniard which has visited all the military museums in Spain... Awesome job Ian!
@papayaman78
@papayaman78 5 жыл бұрын
Ignorante
@john-paulsilke893
@john-paulsilke893 5 жыл бұрын
A lot of it had to do with the patent laws in Spain. Spain had copyright law at the time but now patents which meant the name was protected but not the design. This meant they stole heaps of designs and during this process because they didn’t have technical packages they iterated and redesigned and thus actually came up with an insane number of independent often non-compliant patent designs. Both a good and bad thing, I’m torn because they caused many companies to go under because they made cheap garbage copies that caused bad reputations with the genuine companies but also produced superior copies that had the opposite effect. They also innovated and improved the gun industry in many subtle ways so I’m obviously conflicted.
@bleras1998
@bleras1998 5 жыл бұрын
@@john-paulsilke893 Yep, that sounds like something we would do xD
@john-paulsilke893
@john-paulsilke893 5 жыл бұрын
bleras1998 like I wrote, good and bad. Probably a bit more bad then good but innovation and iteration cannot be denied. Look at the success of China for an example of going from 3rd world crap-hole that couldn’t feed itself to a world powerhouse that owns most of Africa, has most of America’s debt, produces parts for the worlds industry and is the primary breadbasket of Russia.
@patolucaspato163
@patolucaspato163 2 жыл бұрын
@@papayaman78 tu,papanatas,has entendido si quiera lo que J.A escribió?
@sindrome303
@sindrome303 5 жыл бұрын
This was Amazing. And totally cool . I own An Astra Cyclops single shot 12G shotgun. I knew nothing about it, or how old it could be. So my old single shot is probably quite old. I must say it is a fantastic shotgun, and is in really good condition. but don't stand behind it when you crack open the breach. Dam thing ejects the shell about 20ft with some force.Another Great episode of Forgotten Weapons. Thanks Ian
@BaronVonHardcharger
@BaronVonHardcharger 5 жыл бұрын
+10 for "three bears" reference. :D
@AsbestosMuffins
@AsbestosMuffins 5 жыл бұрын
gotta love the spite that went into these. I love the look of tubular pistols all around
@RyeOnHam
@RyeOnHam 5 жыл бұрын
Sweet! Grip safety, drop safety, trigger safety, and Magazine Disconnect.
@Greger88
@Greger88 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome, a new fresh from the oven episode of Forgotten Weapons to go with my breakfast.
@TheWolfsnack
@TheWolfsnack 5 жыл бұрын
....damn....a welcome interruption to my actually preparing breakfast....
@mrbully
@mrbully 5 жыл бұрын
Not a gun expert by any means, but estetically this barrel especially look sfantastic. Especially on the 9mm version. Very pleasing to the eye.
@kermitthefrog7722
@kermitthefrog7722 5 жыл бұрын
the small frame looks like something from a bond film
@crktritual
@crktritual 5 жыл бұрын
two legs I can see that, for some reason it reminds me of the Liberator 🤷🏻‍♂️
@kermitthefrog7722
@kermitthefrog7722 5 жыл бұрын
@@crktritual yeah I see where you're coming from
@calebkendall1362
@calebkendall1362 5 жыл бұрын
Ahh, La Great Chimenea. Whoever has that Spanish gun collection is a lucky guy.
@42ndsheep
@42ndsheep 5 жыл бұрын
Forgotten Weapons really needs to do a video on the Saab Bofors Dynamics CBJ-MS. The saboted tungsten round that it fires (supposedly to great effect) and ability as a pdw, assault rifle and squad automatic weapon all in one gun make it very interesting.
@thegoldencaulk2742
@thegoldencaulk2742 5 жыл бұрын
Wow, this thing has a trigger dongle like a Glock? Truly there is nothing new under the sun...
@christianhoffmann8607
@christianhoffmann8607 5 жыл бұрын
thaaaats right, Mike
@JunkyardBashSteve
@JunkyardBashSteve 5 жыл бұрын
iPhone dongle
@Calvin_Coolage
@Calvin_Coolage 5 жыл бұрын
Hehe, dongle.
@mattmorrisson9607
@mattmorrisson9607 5 жыл бұрын
Oak-Fire-Place Collector Man/Woman comes through again with some rare and obscure firearms.
@redram5150
@redram5150 5 жыл бұрын
And as we all know Ecia and Astra lived happily ever after in Guernica because nothing bad ever happened there ever ever ever
@zippy-zappa-zeppo-zorba-etc
@zippy-zappa-zeppo-zorba-etc 5 жыл бұрын
Certainly no bad paintings by lecherous selfish artists.
@Ugly_German_Truths
@Ugly_German_Truths 4 жыл бұрын
Well to be fair, Red Ram, ALL of Spain suffered horribly from the Civil War and it would not have mattered where your small arms factory was, the two sides would definitely have tried to either conquer it for their own use or to destroy it to refuse the other side it's use.
@j.mangum7652
@j.mangum7652 5 жыл бұрын
Sarco inc.importers used to offer 9mm Largo ammunition and the large frame Astra pistol ten-fifteen years ago. I imagine they're long gone now.
@elhistoriero1227
@elhistoriero1227 5 жыл бұрын
Such gorgeous looking guns.
@mattelder1971
@mattelder1971 5 жыл бұрын
On the subject of out-of-production pistols with an interesting back story, have you ever considered doing a story on the Jennings/Bryco/Jimenez lines of pistols? I have a Jennings 9 and it would be cool to see your take on the story of these.
@takeshi7
@takeshi7 5 жыл бұрын
Jimenez isn't out of production. I have one and got a magazine replacement from them recently. It's a fun range gun. Wouldn't trust my life to it.
@mattelder1971
@mattelder1971 5 жыл бұрын
@@takeshi7 Yeah, I looked them up after I posted that. They WERE out of production for a while, but it appears that they have started back up with cerakoted models. It still would make an interesting video because of the crazy history of them.
@victorpapaavp
@victorpapaavp 5 жыл бұрын
A 9 round capacity? My god! I feel so undergunned with my 17+1 in my conceal carry... looks like I need one of these! My how times have changed, lol
@oktayyildirim2911
@oktayyildirim2911 5 жыл бұрын
@@gary6576 God, I hope not
@samhardy5351
@samhardy5351 5 жыл бұрын
Love that pocket pistol
@griffn14
@griffn14 5 жыл бұрын
I'd really, really like to see a short video of this guy's entire collection.
@worldtraveler930
@worldtraveler930 5 жыл бұрын
I am fairly certain that it would be a rather Long video.
@Brandon-ou4wc
@Brandon-ou4wc 5 жыл бұрын
Could you do a review on the Brno zkm semiautomatic rifles ? There is little information on these guns definitely a forgotten weapon.
@joshkrei2840
@joshkrei2840 5 жыл бұрын
I love just coming home every day and watching Ian tell me and show me some cool guns. No matter how my day was, always seems to brighten it. Love your content Ian, you’re awesome
@loupiscanis9449
@loupiscanis9449 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you , Ian .
@magicoddeffect
@magicoddeffect 5 жыл бұрын
The finishing and machining on these pistols looks quite good. They're obviously very well-made.
@unccred
@unccred 5 жыл бұрын
I really hope you'll do a profile of some sort on the "fireplace collector" He or she must have a huge room or building with all the varied guns they have.
@rogersmith9808
@rogersmith9808 4 жыл бұрын
As (almost) always... excellent and interesting information!!
@mordecaieagle4240
@mordecaieagle4240 5 жыл бұрын
Nothing is better after busy morning at work than video from Ian, except maybe a beer with the video.
@deltagamma2986
@deltagamma2986 5 жыл бұрын
As the Gun Nut of my Friends and Family with a knack for old and/or Weird Firearms. I love this Channel. Keep them Coming Ian.
@RichardCranium321
@RichardCranium321 5 жыл бұрын
Definite appearance of intent to 1-up his partner, 1 more round in each competitor, double action, & Ecia is phonetically similar to Astra
@williamsager805
@williamsager805 5 жыл бұрын
The small 25 cal. pistole reminds me a lot of a category of tiny popular pistols in the 1950s/60s called Saturday Night Specials. Though as I recall they seemed even more poorly made. This class of guns at the time were blamed for many of the shootings, and the importation of which was banned in the Gun Control Act of 1968. Which many gun supporters applauded because these pistols were built of low quality steel and had poor quality control. We joked that they were almost as much danger to the user as the person you pointed them at. Sadly enough we were better off with criminals using these 25 cal. junk pistols than quality made 9mm pistols.
@zippy-zappa-zeppo-zorba-etc
@zippy-zappa-zeppo-zorba-etc 5 жыл бұрын
I always thought that Saturday Night Specials were .38 snub nose revolvers. Easier on the wallet than any automatic in a hard to find calliber.
@oneproudbrowncoat
@oneproudbrowncoat 5 жыл бұрын
Most of the handguns that were labeled such used zinc-copper alloy castings (a material that's lightweight, relatively strong, but a pain to machine and impossible to repair). It's often referred to as 'pot metal'. The upside is that zinc is cheap, but obsolete with modern-day aluminum alloys.
@crktritual
@crktritual 5 жыл бұрын
I like Ian...he seems nice...😁
@neilis2405
@neilis2405 5 жыл бұрын
He's not. One time he walked into a temple and just starting turning over vendor tables. (Biblical reference for those who missed the joke)
@kbjerke
@kbjerke 5 жыл бұрын
@@neilis2405 Those were Glock vendor tables.
@crktritual
@crktritual 5 жыл бұрын
Well word on the street is the Pharisees where straight disrespecting his Father’s house an he had to do what he had to do 🙏🏻✝️❤️✊🏻
@TheChad138
@TheChad138 5 жыл бұрын
I dread the day when there are no longer any "forgotten weapons".
@rdb8509
@rdb8509 5 жыл бұрын
Dammit! Because of you I have more guns than I can shoot and more books than I can read.
@elhistoriero1227
@elhistoriero1227 4 жыл бұрын
Love the large frame one except for the replacement grips. Looks like the gun of some evil character in a movie.
@smrts
@smrts 5 жыл бұрын
I like that little one. pocket pistol version of an astra 400.
@diegoferreiro9478
@diegoferreiro9478 5 жыл бұрын
E.Cía means 'Esperanza y Compañía' (Spanish for Esperanza & Co.)
@matejmatej3554
@matejmatej3554 5 жыл бұрын
Ian you are the best greetings from sLOVEnia
@bruceinoz8002
@bruceinoz8002 5 жыл бұрын
I was there last year, Mainly around Bled. (Love the cake!), and over near the Italian border Very "mellow" place. Maybe it should be called SLOW-venia?
@Hermenie
@Hermenie 5 жыл бұрын
I do love a tubular slide
@tlshortyshorty5810
@tlshortyshorty5810 5 жыл бұрын
That trigger tho
@bomric1788
@bomric1788 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah I was waiting for him to comment on how it felt. I want to know if it was VP70 before VP70.
@bigpuzino
@bigpuzino 5 жыл бұрын
Where are you filming from, you’ve probably done dozens of videos from this location, if this is a private collector I’m amazed at the amount of rare guns he was able to obtain
@spazmonkey2131
@spazmonkey2131 5 жыл бұрын
It's the mama bear, papa bear, and baby bear pistols
@highlandoutsider8148
@highlandoutsider8148 5 жыл бұрын
There's something so aesthetically pleasing about the 9mm with those wood grips, mm hmm
@ashtray4757
@ashtray4757 5 жыл бұрын
Produced in Guernica? Well that sure wouldn't make this town a military target in a potential civil war...
@gallaik
@gallaik 5 жыл бұрын
Wahlsachse Maybe. But it was enough to bomb the factories, not the town and the civilian population.
@antoniofdez620
@antoniofdez620 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting pisol, looking at the trigger and the simple DAO mechanism i honestly expected to be a cheaper version of the astra 400.
@sir0herrbatka
@sir0herrbatka 5 жыл бұрын
This looks like a pretty safe pistol considering era.
@cheesenoodles8316
@cheesenoodles8316 5 жыл бұрын
Straight blowback Spanish pistols are the best. I really like the sites and trigger pull.
@KommandantDahl
@KommandantDahl 5 жыл бұрын
They may be replacements, but those wooden grips look great.
@dak4465
@dak4465 5 жыл бұрын
Once again.. i like catching these videos when they upload but being up this early sucks. Ugh
@dak4465
@dak4465 5 жыл бұрын
@@northumbriabushcraft1208 yeah its 5:30 am here
@TheLoneDragoon
@TheLoneDragoon 5 жыл бұрын
@@northumbriabushcraft1208 They upload at 7 AM where I live. Just in time for coffee and oatmeal.
@dak4465
@dak4465 5 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoneDragoon i mean im up anyway, i have class at six fifteen (i go to an automotive college) but it still sucks
@TheLoneDragoon
@TheLoneDragoon 5 жыл бұрын
@@dak4465 Yeah, it does. I am only up this early to exercise and get ready for college myself. That's coffee is so important lol.
@dak4465
@dak4465 5 жыл бұрын
@@TheLoneDragoon indeed
@candidodacquisto7930
@candidodacquisto7930 5 жыл бұрын
Shoutout to my hometown Guernica
@Ugly_German_Truths
@Ugly_German_Truths 4 жыл бұрын
The CI also seem to depict a cartridge or "bullet"-shape.
@VonRammsteyn
@VonRammsteyn 5 жыл бұрын
0:28 looks like somebody was ordered to make a gun but he didn't want to do it...
@americanrebel413
@americanrebel413 5 жыл бұрын
Great video thank you.
@splashrivera3896
@splashrivera3896 5 жыл бұрын
Classic guns
@oldesertguy9616
@oldesertguy9616 5 жыл бұрын
I love the pistols from that period. It makes me wonder what they could have come up with if the Great Depression hadn't happened.
@flavortown3781
@flavortown3781 5 жыл бұрын
They look like astra's+savages
@herknorth8691
@herknorth8691 5 жыл бұрын
re: 9mm Largo Ever thought of doing a series on "Forgotten Calibers"?
@oneproudbrowncoat
@oneproudbrowncoat 5 жыл бұрын
9mm Largo? Pshaw! Now, if he gets to 7.65mm Long, that'll be impressive.
@Adamsadventures83
@Adamsadventures83 5 жыл бұрын
Soon as I saw them I thought man those remind me of Astras.
@Pokesus
@Pokesus 5 жыл бұрын
Looks like that gun - pistol to play some games in an old console but i don't remember his name i think was ness
@skepticalbadger
@skepticalbadger 5 жыл бұрын
Duck Hunt on the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES).
@babeez1513
@babeez1513 5 жыл бұрын
Id be interested in your review and breakdown of the pp2000
@mrducky2915
@mrducky2915 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Ian if you could have any personalized gun what would it be? Id get a tokarov with a small amount of engraving.
@svtirefire
@svtirefire 5 жыл бұрын
Seems an odd location to stamp the serial numbers.
@SNOUPS4
@SNOUPS4 4 жыл бұрын
Making up for the missing book (re)review of last week, I see
@tombakabones274
@tombakabones274 4 жыл бұрын
1:20 or both
@PencePressureWashing
@PencePressureWashing 5 жыл бұрын
Cool want that gun
@arikwolf3777
@arikwolf3777 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting, Learn something new: I thought striker fire was from the '80's with the Glock.
@moosetom1588
@moosetom1588 5 жыл бұрын
the wee one looks a bit like the "cricket" from men in black "this is for you kid"
@andrewrash1931
@andrewrash1931 5 жыл бұрын
Ian have you ever made a video on the AK-107 platform? If not that would be interesting to see. Probably not easy to do as from what I hear their currently isn’t any in the US. And the Russians are pretty stingy on letting people see them.
@charles_wipman
@charles_wipman 5 жыл бұрын
I'd never heard about those pistols, don't look that bad at the side of the Astras of the time IMO.
@high633
@high633 5 жыл бұрын
Hi
@stinknut762
@stinknut762 5 жыл бұрын
If only they had a few more safeties they may have been successful...Possibly a safety on the box? Has that been done? If careless people disregard the easy to use safeties standard on firearms perhaps more easily defeated safeties will change their mind?? I don't know i'm just thinking out loud.
@flavortown3781
@flavortown3781 5 жыл бұрын
The best safeties are passive ones, drop and rebound safeties, grip safeties too. Manual safeties are terrible you'll fumble under duress
@agenericaccount3935
@agenericaccount3935 5 жыл бұрын
Noisy cricket on the left.
@gj1234567899999
@gj1234567899999 5 жыл бұрын
The Largo looks like a Ruger. Any coincidence?
@blueharley2
@blueharley2 5 жыл бұрын
great information, but the camera panning makes me sea sick
@svtirefire
@svtirefire 5 жыл бұрын
Take a Dramamine and suck it up, sailor!
@stephenwright3501
@stephenwright3501 5 жыл бұрын
The book on Amazon is $165
@user-xq5og9lt8p
@user-xq5og9lt8p 5 жыл бұрын
Wait how many Esperanzas there were if this one was just "One"?
@RichardCranium321
@RichardCranium321 5 жыл бұрын
Over 30% of world supply in one place? Damn you Reed Knight... 😅
@sir0herrbatka
@sir0herrbatka 5 жыл бұрын
How is this locking style called?
@sir0herrbatka
@sir0herrbatka 5 жыл бұрын
@@ryanthorne5432 Thanks.
@wolflordreaper20
@wolflordreaper20 5 жыл бұрын
Fellow gun enthusiast can someone ask Ian for a battlefield 5 weapons playlist of has the time if need be I'll help compile a list to assist with a list of weapons
@piotrwoznica9100
@piotrwoznica9100 5 жыл бұрын
The logo looks an awful lot like FB (Radom) logo upside down.
@rasnac
@rasnac 5 жыл бұрын
That grip is a centimeter too long.
@svtirefire
@svtirefire 5 жыл бұрын
Had to fit that extra round in somehow!
@ianray8823
@ianray8823 5 жыл бұрын
An Acaí bowl tastes better than a Ecia bowl
@es-iv3xp
@es-iv3xp 5 жыл бұрын
Troche Astry troche Manufrance.Ale Astry wincy.
@yuletide1281
@yuletide1281 5 жыл бұрын
Kinda looks like a water gun
@samariyayadubansi6988
@samariyayadubansi6988 5 жыл бұрын
I inndia
@1891shooter
@1891shooter 5 жыл бұрын
@samholdsworth3957
@samholdsworth3957 5 жыл бұрын
Jesus saves!
@crktritual
@crktritual 5 жыл бұрын
Sam Holdsworth Moses invests ☺️
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