ECM Synchronika With Flow Control

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iDrinkCoffeeCanada

iDrinkCoffeeCanada

Күн бұрын

Demonstrating the ECM Synchronika Dual Boiler with ECM's flow control device installed. This device gives you greater control over your extractions and opens up a wide range of possibilities.

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@JohnDennery
@JohnDennery 4 жыл бұрын
I've been watching a lot of your videos recently and I really appreciate how clearly you present and explain everything. Thank you so much and keep them coming!!
@chilango7777777
@chilango7777777 4 жыл бұрын
one of the clearest and effective discussions on the ecm + flowcontrol
@JonneytheKidd
@JonneytheKidd Жыл бұрын
Thank you for showing/making this video. I just bought this machine, and had no idea i could do this.
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada Жыл бұрын
Glad I could help, thank you for watching.
@starshooter1003
@starshooter1003 4 жыл бұрын
I've watched your video multiple times. You have a great talent with your presentation, and the information is very well laid out. Thank you for sharing!!
@AndersSvensson_norrkoping
@AndersSvensson_norrkoping 2 жыл бұрын
This is a gem! So interesting and so brilliant clear! Thank you so much! I would love more videos about Flow control.
@NY92hotmailcom
@NY92hotmailcom 3 жыл бұрын
Very well done video, informative, straight to the point, no wasting time...Thanks for the excellent work.
@zanzibarbob7
@zanzibarbob7 3 жыл бұрын
I always enjoy your videos. Professional and instructive. Thanks!
@CarlosAmaya-nb6ps
@CarlosAmaya-nb6ps 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the valuable explanation about flow control , I just got my synchronika with flow control and I can't wait to try this this out to get some terrific espresso shots, thank you
@starshooter1003
@starshooter1003 4 жыл бұрын
same here....just setting mine up now - the fun begins
@hitshot
@hitshot 2 жыл бұрын
Would you recommend the synkronika over the Lelia Bianca
@dawnmureddu1079
@dawnmureddu1079 2 жыл бұрын
Well explained. We have an ECM Sync and considering a flow control. Thank you for a great video
@dennisrkb
@dennisrkb Жыл бұрын
This video made me fall in love with the synchronika and strengthen my resolve that it's the right upgrade for me from my barista pro. Thank you!
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada Жыл бұрын
It's a special machine for sure.
@AllanYangUSA
@AllanYangUSA Жыл бұрын
I am so glad I found your videos. Very explanatory and clear.
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind compliment.
@4040mwilson
@4040mwilson 4 жыл бұрын
Dude best description ever
@PanzerIV88
@PanzerIV88 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Slawek, by far the best (Flow Control) video I've seen and I've been looking for quite a few! I like that it's also straight to the point, easy to understand and only 8min long. I've also been comparing machines on your website for a few days and I'm hesitating between gifting my mom a (Profitec Pro 500 or Rocket Crono Type V) as she clearly doesn't need any higher-grade but then I'm also thinking of maybe instead giving her my 99% new Rocket R58 to get that Synchronika with flow control heh. Damn hard decisions!
@JavaJakesRoastery
@JavaJakesRoastery 3 жыл бұрын
best video on KZfaq about flow control subbed and thumbed up
@a.s.5280
@a.s.5280 4 жыл бұрын
great video, good explained! now this machine is quite similar to my RocketR91.
@sudeshsingh9706
@sudeshsingh9706 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent Demo!!
@PanzerIV88
@PanzerIV88 4 жыл бұрын
lol Doing ~4 things at a time and saying "...and I don't need to worry about anything" never said someone with OCD hehe. Even though I can both froth and brew at the same time on my R58, I just can't watch my extraction from the naked portafilter, check my Acaia scale, keep the right angle while frothing and keeping another eye on the thermometer from the pitcher, and play with the flow control allll at the same time, that's not gonna happen XD Just purchased today another Rocket machine from you guys and a flow control device from Profitec to fit my current R58 so I had to watch that video again. Can't wait to receive all that new stuff! :D
@luckylarrikin1439
@luckylarrikin1439 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like a great home machine.
@thomasliu4545
@thomasliu4545 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video indeed! Can you describe a little about the taste difference between the 3 trials?
@itsjaynguyen
@itsjaynguyen 4 жыл бұрын
I’m curious to how different the two shots tasted
@metalink
@metalink 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for input.
@enyceofnyc
@enyceofnyc 2 жыл бұрын
This is a great, clear video. Thanks. I have a question. Does a fully open flow control knob match or exceed stock flow? I ask because there are videos about flow control that describe 1.25 revolutions from closed as stock flow. They also explain that, towards the end of the range, the flow rate climbs more rapidly.
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada 2 жыл бұрын
That's a really good question. I haven't measured it personally but my feeling is that it does. I think that fully open the orifice of the flow restrictor is larger than in the stock gicleur so the flow would be greater than machine without the flow control and just with a standard mushroom
@DeltaRana4
@DeltaRana4 4 жыл бұрын
Always wondered if this machine's flow control could be adjusted - now I know. I am assuming that the flow control works whether the machine uses direct water supply or internal reservoir? (skip that... just found the answer lower down). Great video. PS- Been reading that the flow control knob gets VERY hot.. how true is this?
@meopai3
@meopai3 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I am now convinced to buy the ECM Synchronika, rather than the Rocket Cinquantotto, Very informative presentation.
@hustinja
@hustinja 4 жыл бұрын
Do you find that you have to adjust your grind according to what profile style you will be attempting? I am finding that a grind thats giving me the correct weight at 30 seconds with the original hardware, is giving me super fast sputtery flows with the flow control hardware once the pressure is rampped up after a pre infusion. Any tips?
@PanzerIV88
@PanzerIV88 4 жыл бұрын
Just curious, hav eyou got to fix ur issue after 3 months of practice since your comment? I've read elsewhere that some users needed to grind a bit finer when playing with the flow control because of the pre-infusion I guess. I don't know if it's only if you pre-infuse for too long though.
@payamirani5298
@payamirani5298 4 жыл бұрын
Very informative video. I noticed that the water flows out in a single stream at the beginning of the video (both at low as well as Max flow), instead of a dispersed shower. Is this the norm on this type of machine and would a focused flow like this lead to channeling or uneven puck saturation/extraction?
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada 4 жыл бұрын
This is normal flow for an E61 group without any coffee. Once you put coffee in the puck and you get back pressure the spray evens out.
@PanzerIV88
@PanzerIV88 4 жыл бұрын
Just get urself the (IMS E61 Nanotech Shower). Trust me it is unexpensive and by far one of the best upgrade you could do to any E61 machines!
@ClubbersGuideCanada
@ClubbersGuideCanada 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing that you have had both the polished and anthracite units in the showroom which one do you think looks best overall in person?
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, it's really personal preference. I think they both look quite good. My personal preference is for the anthracite because I like the contrast but the chrome has that amazing shine.
@ange5354
@ange5354 3 жыл бұрын
to anyone who already has flow control, do you find that you need to grind finer when flow profiling?
@bluefox041
@bluefox041 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, I've recently subscribed to your channel, you are great at explaining things, I just want to ask, my ecm starts it's pour at around 12 seconds what am I doing wrong
@mafacdf
@mafacdf 3 жыл бұрын
Could be grinding too fine
@DDSRdds
@DDSRdds 4 жыл бұрын
How would you compare the ecm with the new profile to dalla corta Mina 👍thanks
@andrewhay2402
@andrewhay2402 3 жыл бұрын
In many way similar to Lelit Bianca. Which of the two would you recommend for milk based drinks and learning how to use the flow control ?
@hitshot
@hitshot 2 жыл бұрын
Which one did you get?
@rickseneris
@rickseneris Жыл бұрын
How many rotational degrees does the flow control have? Will the lelit Bianca flow control work on the ECM and Profitec 700?
@newera3757
@newera3757 3 жыл бұрын
Do you guys selling Titan grinder with black finish or only chrome ?
@aceleri1
@aceleri1 4 жыл бұрын
Hi does the pre-infusion work with the machine running off the reservoir and not plumbed in? I have been told you can only pre-infuse with a water line??
@PanzerIV88
@PanzerIV88 4 жыл бұрын
From what I understood, it is even more useful to those who aren't plumbed-in as otherwise there is no way to pre-infuse but with a flow-control you get to mimic a plumbed-in machine since you can start for example at 1-2 bars for a 10-20s pre-infusing instead of being 100% of the time at the full 9.5 bars. Plumbed machines have a default in-line pressure around 2 bars at the house or you can have an external filtering thingy such as those from BWT to then lower the pressure to 1-2 bars if ur house have too much pressure. So a plumbed machine without flow control will be able to pre-infuse at 1-2 bar yes, but then it will be full pump at 9 bars, no in between. That's the point of flow control so they get the in-between but people on reservoir get the adjustements AND the pre-infuse capability so it's really interesting as you don't need to spend an extra 400-500$ on a rotary pump and break ur kitchen's countertop to plumb the machine ^^
@hitshot
@hitshot 2 жыл бұрын
@@PanzerIV88 does flow control improve the taste, and would you recommend this machine over the lelit Bianca?
@PanzerIV88
@PanzerIV88 2 жыл бұрын
@@hitshot I don't know any Lelit machines but I can say that there's a few things which you can't go wrong such as having a PID, E61 brewer, HX or double boiler over single boiler, having at least 1.2Bar if steaming pressure. To be honest I ended up not really experimenting all that much over the last year, as I find dialing my grinder to get my 2:1 ratio of 20g for 40ml between 25-30sec to be more important overall. I just started last week to do the WDT technique with a tool from Amazon and it DOES make a difference in puck consistency. Same thing for my new grinder since 2 weeks when I went from a 65mm "Rocket Fausto" to the awesome 83mm single doser "Ceado SD37" and also started doing the RDT technique with a water bottle that came with it, major difference to reduce mess and static, like it gives me 0.00g or at worse 0.01g of retention inside, it's just crazy efficient! So all this makes more of a difference than flow control which is anything but cheap so better keep that money and invest in a better grinder, that is so underrated. I have a friend who bought his first real machine "ECM Classika" or something like that, 1000$ single boiler... But since he had such a sh*tty grinder, he never got to use his espresso machine and had to return it after all the tests I've done with my tool on his equipment. So I'd say that flow control is the last thing you get, very optional and a temperature gauge is prolly gonna be cheaper and more useful imo. It's very hard to dial the pressure in between, seems like it stays low during pre-infusion like 2 bars or 4 at most but then if you open it one quarter, it goes quickly to full 9.5bars so okay if you want to pre-infuse more than default E61 but good luck doing fancy profiles and that's gonna be a waste of time on anything less than top quality and freshness coffee.
@bossgt6
@bossgt6 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, if i install a flow control unit ,is it mean that i can basically make a pre infusion without to connect the machine to the water tap because no need anymore to a line water pressure level?
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada 2 жыл бұрын
In a way yes, a flow control device reduces the flow so it takes pressure longer to build. The effect is similar to pressure profiling but not exactly pressure profiling
@ezralimm
@ezralimm 2 жыл бұрын
that is an insane brew time for espresso...ultimately hot water is in contact for over 50s... how does it taste?
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada 2 жыл бұрын
Since the flow is quite restricted it takes more time to get full saturation. The full pressure extraction is shorter. I have found you can get a lot of variance in flavour changing the flow profiles and I have had fantastic tasting shots that took over a minute to extract
@WasimBarri
@WasimBarri 4 жыл бұрын
The ECM kit comes with a spring to replace the existing spring in the lower part of the group. What's the purpose of that?
@ange5354
@ange5354 3 жыл бұрын
we were suprirsed to find that as well, we ended up changing the lower half but not sure why
@WasimBarri
@WasimBarri 3 жыл бұрын
@@ange5354 OK I found out, its to cut ECMs built in preinfusion so you now have complete control of your own preinfusion times.
@layas8690
@layas8690 4 жыл бұрын
at 1:37 the water flow from the shower screen at the pre infusion phase is not giving a water shower effect . is this the stock shower screen. any reason why its pouring as one channel rather than even wide shower droplets?
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, this part is refered to as a shower screen but the dispersion isn't like an actual shower when there is no coffee. When you have coffee and back pressure it does help in dispersing the water around the whole puck but that is the normal flow for an e61 with the portafilter removed
@PanzerIV88
@PanzerIV88 4 жыл бұрын
@@layas8690 Highly suggest that you buy the (IMS E61 Shower Nanotech) from IDC. It's one of the best upgrade you can do to any E61 machines and is about only 45-50$? I got one for my Rocket R58, it's wayyyy better than stock for shower dispersion and keeps it 10x cleaner.
@layas8690
@layas8690 3 жыл бұрын
@@PanzerIV88 . The ease of cleaning part is also appealing . thanks for your suggestion
@CajournoOddity
@CajournoOddity 3 жыл бұрын
can you install the ecm kit or profitec kit on a lelit mara x. I know there a kit from lelit but this on cost less and i don't like the padle fromlelit kit. Thank you.
@CajournoOddity
@CajournoOddity 3 жыл бұрын
Just bought one fromidinkcoffee, not the profited or ecm to put on my MaraX
@Dejan_23Unlimited
@Dejan_23Unlimited 2 жыл бұрын
Crazy question, I know. Is it a huge difference between Slayer *also low infusion and ECM ?
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada 2 жыл бұрын
It is possible to reduce the flow to a small trickle using the flow control device which is similar to the Slayer Espresso preinfusion
@richardgirard8218
@richardgirard8218 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Hopefully you can get the profitec versions to. Heh I typed to soon. Just saw the end to see it can be installed on any machine. Thanks!
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada 4 жыл бұрын
We have both the Profitec and ECM in stock. For now we only have it on new machines but a kit will be available soon to upgrade any machine.
@richardgirard8218
@richardgirard8218 4 жыл бұрын
@@iDrinkCoffeeCanada great news!
@LuckyDragon289
@LuckyDragon289 4 жыл бұрын
@@iDrinkCoffeeCanada This is awesome news! I bought my Synchronika with the hope that the FCD upgrade kit would soon become available. Any insight on timeframe for purchase?
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada 4 жыл бұрын
@@LuckyDragon289 we will have upgrade kits available in the new year and they are not difficult to install
@Iceman-xe7jo
@Iceman-xe7jo 2 жыл бұрын
In your opinion this machine or the La Marzocco Mini? Is the mini worth the extra $2600 dollars?
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada 2 жыл бұрын
They are quite different types of machines. The flow control is a different experience from just a standard pump on the LMLM. The Linea Mini is a great machine but you do have to pay a premium. The price difference is significant, enough to buy a very good grinder.
@rottiejakeluke
@rottiejakeluke 4 жыл бұрын
I am interested in this ECM Synchronika and also the Lelit Bianca, both of which I would want with flow control. If you were to make the purchase, which of these two machines would you get? Please tell me why your choice was what it was? Thank you.
@khairolzaini7246
@khairolzaini7246 3 жыл бұрын
I have the same question! Hope you had the answer already
@rottiejakeluke
@rottiejakeluke 3 жыл бұрын
@@khairolzaini7246 I have not heard any input from others. however from what I’ve researched I believe both are very good machines. IMHO the Bianca gets you more bang for the buck, but is not as popular as the Synchronika. I feel the later is more popular because it is sold through more retailers across North America. If you want all the functions and save money than get the machine by Lelit. However, if you want recognition than get the EMC. I feel the Bianca has more sex appeal over the EMC. Good luck. Oh, the money you would save will be well spent for a better grinder and or towards a good scale if that your thing.
@khairolzaini7246
@khairolzaini7246 3 жыл бұрын
@@rottiejakeluke oh what machine did you get tho? Im still stuck between these two. I like the way the ECM looks and its built inside out. I havent seen any ECM owners in this country and lots are buying the bianca. So im thinking of the service and if somehow the ECM broke down. I'd have nowhere to repair 😂 the bianca instock here is the same price as if i bring in the ECM from Hongkong. Really gives me a headache!
@rottiejakeluke
@rottiejakeluke 3 жыл бұрын
@@khairolzaini7246 my purchase was squashed due to lack of funds which had to be used for a family emergency,
@hitshot
@hitshot 2 жыл бұрын
@@khairolzaini7246 which one did you get?
@xiatian80
@xiatian80 4 жыл бұрын
Is this idea from Lelit Bianca? If not, what is the difference?
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, yes it is the same type of device that the Bianca has but the flow control device predates both Lelit and ECM, this has been around for some time, it has just recently gained some interest again
@johnadams9044
@johnadams9044 Жыл бұрын
Does all the infusion create serious acidity taste?
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada Жыл бұрын
There are a lot of other variables to consider, ie. temperature, grind, the coffee itself. The flow control just gives you another tool to customize your extraction to get the kind of taste you are looking for.
@johngilman760
@johngilman760 Жыл бұрын
Great demo but I am not happy with this flow control knob as opposed to a paddle. Not thrilled with my ECM syncronika either.
@smile4ever363
@smile4ever363 3 жыл бұрын
Wich one better ecm synchronika Or La Marzocco Linea Mini
@MrRoclama
@MrRoclama 2 жыл бұрын
La marzocco is better but but ecm is incredibly machine for home
@JasonAlexzander1q47
@JasonAlexzander1q47 2 жыл бұрын
Does it have a restrictor valve?
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada 2 жыл бұрын
The flow control device is an adjustable flow restrictor. You adjust it to open it to allow for more flow or close it to restrict the flow
@PPIMAGEFACTORYDOTCOM
@PPIMAGEFACTORYDOTCOM Жыл бұрын
Can these results be achieved without being plumbed in? If anyone could provide that answer…I’m just about to purchase this !
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada Жыл бұрын
Yes it can, the flow control works in tank mode as well.
@albertomartin70
@albertomartin70 2 жыл бұрын
120 volts or 240 volts? USA plug for 120 votls or 240 volts?
@MrRoclama
@MrRoclama 2 жыл бұрын
In USA have both
@Amerczar
@Amerczar 4 жыл бұрын
Is it 220v 50-60ghz?
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada 4 жыл бұрын
All of the products that we sell are 110v but ECM is made in 220v, I would suggest contracting your local dealer or ECM directly for info
@asabaniam1
@asabaniam1 5 ай бұрын
😊
@johncharles2357
@johncharles2357 4 жыл бұрын
At 2:23 when you start the shot, how does the manometer in the upper right read 9 bar, but the flow control manometer stays at 0? What pressure is the manometer in the upper right reading if the pressure in the brew head is still at 0?
@stuipooey1
@stuipooey1 4 жыл бұрын
John, the upper right manometer is the pump pressure, the flow control manometer is downstream of the flow control valve. By shutting this almost to fully closed it takes time for the pressure to build up.
@tonyb83
@tonyb83 Жыл бұрын
How silly. On the second shot you showed the pressure reducing but did not show how you were controlling the flow, which is critical for us learners.
@toddpower4674
@toddpower4674 3 жыл бұрын
Dont open flow control all way for a regular shot. Way to much flow..... 1 1/4 turns give you regular flow and a normal shot.
@rottiejakeluke
@rottiejakeluke 4 жыл бұрын
What bar pressure and temperature would you use for the settings for a machine at 1 mile above sea level? Thanks.
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada
@iDrinkCoffeeCanada 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, Unfortunately this is not something that I am knowledgeable about, I have never lived at a high elevation.
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