Hmmm, rental service? 🤔

How much were the DP Pros?

This is true, but having done this test before with the Yamaha verses Honda, the smart generator turns even more rpm at full load then the Yamaha. Both using the same 80cc engine. At full load the test was almost identical and even more rpm would require more fuel so I can assume that this will burn more fuel over all then a normal unit. But again it’s meant to be a supplement to solar which is where the big savings come from after ROI…

Totally agree, I like the smart features and connectivity, I only worry about the very high rpm. Highest I have seen on that small engine so far. But it’s definitely cool. A pinch quieter would be nice but it falls in line with many others.

@@johnnysweekends also cost wise, How long is the oil lasting? but that generator is good with the features but pity it so noisy

Yea the price I get, but there are a few things that needs a update or I don’t think this unit will last. I wonder how many hours of on and off use till it starts to have issues

And yea it’s frickin loud even in a box fully wound out!!

Is it healthy for the delta pro unit to be charged with the honda?

Pretty crazy right… I’m going to play with it a little more and do some other stuff as well.

Awesome glad you liked it…😀👍🏼

Good ro know I was wondering the same thing, that sucks. Qhat did you end up doing lol?

And the smart generator also has auto start. And it's configurable so you can have solar input coming into it and be drawing off of the battery and if it still doesn't keep up the generator can auto start at whatever set point you want. Then shut off after you get it to whatever state of charge you want

True , but a other generator will charge the delta pro while you are using the pro. If I have my Honda plugged into it, and I’m using a 1000 watts, it will, like mentioned pass through 1000 watts but the other 800 will charge the unit. So technically it it will charge and provide power in a pass through mode and charge the unit with what ever excess you have. Ac can only do 1800 watts so the Honda is perfect for that. And depending on how you are using the pro for “emergency power” so you should be trying to conserve and not just blow through your power supply. The smart Gen obviously will do better, but if you used it regularly like the Honda I bet you would need 3 smart gens or more to one Honda. The smart Gen is great on paper, but with a 80cc engine turning 5000rpm higher then any other generator on the market, and no warm up method or anything, I see it not lasting as long as it could. It needs a few minor tweaks and it could last so much longer. Will see how it does in the long run because so far people are hardly using them because they will use solar first. So will see hour wise in a year or two how they do. Although I have plans coming for the smart Gen pretty quick ..👍🏼

That's exactly the reason I chose not to buy the Delta. For such an expensive product I thought it would provide a non-bypass option for AC charging.

@@xavierneckor8918 What'd you go with?

Awesome glad it helped 👍🏼😀

I’m hoping, just not sure about the much higher rpm… highest rpm I have seen on this engine.

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You’re welcome … thanks for stopping by 😀👍🏼

I agree i love that feature. I just fear this unit will have a short life span but only time will tell. So will see…👍🏼

I know it will consume more fuel then other generators from other tests as higher the rpm more fuel it needs. The biggest thing with this is the no warm up cycle and the high rpm’s it turns compared to other units. So it will be interesting to see how long these last. Won’t know for a couple years till people really start working them for a few hundred hours

Yea I would need to demonstrate or simulate something . Having solar out and then the full setup ready.

Yea tri fuel I think is mostly popular here but not in China as they have to have someone hooks things up for them I guess verse in the states you find the stub and get a valve and hose. The Honda only holds .95 gallons and the smart gen holds 1.1. I’ll put something together soon and we will see. But I do have a video before that coming out

who's fuel kit did u use for conversion?

You’re welcome and thanks for watching 😀👍🏼

Yea small cart would be nice at over 60 pounds it’s a little heavy. Not bad but not everyone can lift it

Yes that’s the main reason to buy it. The ecosystem for ECOFLOW is pretty cool. And in reality you shouldn’t use the SG a much or as many hours since your charging a battery bank and then shut off. Verses the old way of people letting them run at a1/4 load for hours. So I think this should increase its life span. Although I agree, in the long run the Honda will out last.. And thanks for the sub and joining the group…😀👍🏼

Thank you so much and thanks for watching 😀👍🏼

Yea, the smart gen is nice but overall it could use some improvements for sure. Maybe the 3 rd gen will be it!

@@johnnysweekends Yes, I'll stay tuned to you and make the right decision at the right time! Thanks man!

Wow thank you very much. Appreciate the feedback. 😀👍🏼

I will play with it more, as I’m curious as well…😀👍🏼

It’s true, the tech is changing quick so hone in our demand for back up power and to make simple transitions if not enough power is there, we have these options. A new dual fuel is coming and will be interesting to see if there are any motor changes. Glad you liked the video and thanks for watching 😀👍🏼

@@johnnysweekends You are welcome. Seems like very component that is put in an RV is now being made portable, scalable, and "better"able.

Agree. Now with RVs I don’t think I would recommend a full offgrid system. Most people sell there rvs in 7 years or less along with all that stuff and take a decent loss. But one of these power stations and maybe extra battery and solar and you can take all or most with you. Just pick it up and remove it. Use it for home or what ever. A little expensive at first but plug and play and done. No install really. Unless you wanna hard wire. Changing the Rv market like crazy

@@johnnysweekends yep. and portable refrig, portable showers, etc.

All one would need is a small inverter generator like the honda with an autostart you could do with a cell phone then the advantage of the ecoflow would be negated. I just checked and the smallest remote start generator is a GENMAX GM3500iAED 30 Amp 3200W/3500W Remote Start Dual Fuel Inverter Generator for under $800. This generator is starting to look good to me as I have two ecoflow Pros and with this generator I could charge them both at the same time.

Yes these two units run about the same price, but the ECOFLOW smart generator has a certain purpose. And it does have a fuel shut off sort of you just have to put it in that location as shown in the video and you can see the engine runs it off fuel and dies.

This is my exact problem. So I haven’t got to test it fully but I will be making another video to show soon when I test a couple things. When I did this test I had already ran the gen several times so nothing was cold. So like you I’m curious if I have the setting at full load for DC charging will the generator start and slowly rev up to almost 5000 rpm and not do any kind of warm up cycle. So that and a couple other things is what the next video will have in a week. Maybe two.

@@johnnysweekends Yesterday I bought one. It don't have a "engine heating procedure", giving full power to MAX/PRO immediately after start. That's a mistake, i hope that EF fix it by a firmware quick. It's loud, aspecially when charging via DC, much louder than my 2,5kw Loncin 3000i. Why? because has a smaller engine (80cc) and much higher rev speed. As I guess, such a high rotational speed results from the need to generate a sufficiently high DC voltage. It's not that loud when charging with AC. When you connect generator do max/pro via DC cable, the generator don't modulete of rev speed. It kicks to max even if power station is charger to full and only AC line is used. You must disconnect DC cable than rev drops after a few seconds (firmware fix needed) Charging via AC is much quiter when you limit charge power to 1kw but than you don't have a "smart functionality", just an ordinary generator like any other (much cheeper) one. Last dissapinted is lenght of DC cable, 5m is a mistake. Cable should at least 10m. Apart from the disadvantages that I described, it is a very good product, well-made.

Yes exactly, the rev speed after start up needs to wait about 30 seconds. And even then a 5000 rpm engine speed is not needed. You could do it at 4600 or less because I don’t know if another model that runs that high. I feel these are prone to fail in less then 500 hours if it’s used to start and stop. If it runs constant it could run much longer. But no need for that as full charge would be a couple hours or so. It’s a cool design with its features but not a well thought out lol.

@@johnnysweekends I suspect that they were forced to increase the engine RPM due to the generator which did not provide enough voltage to reach peak power while DC charging. The simplest way to solve the problem for producer, whorst way for the customer. We live in such times. But maybe i'm wrong and they fix the engine control by a software (i hope)

I don’t even know if they can fix it by soft where update as the inverter board probably controller start up and throttle control. But it’s possible they could all depends how much the firmware controls on the engine side.

You know the late oil debate never goes away. After reading and seeing so many experiments and tests I have been using Amazon basics or Walmart super tech as they appear to be the same and possibly made by mobile one. A semi synthetic or conventional 10-30w or 10-40 is what this calls for possibly due to the high rpm. But if always in a colder climate you can drop to 10-30. Funny the same engine in every other generator uses 10-30 or even a 5-30 is fine

Exactly, that’s what it’s meant for but you can charge delta pro with any gen, but is the smart gen actually more efficient which I’m not sure it is. But the connectivity of it is what really is the cool part..👍🏼

@@johnnysweekends While I'd be interested in seeing if DC charging actually uses less fuel than the Honda, ultimately the Ecoflow system will be more efficient simply because the generator only runs when it needs to.

This is true, how ever I think in the long run this unit will be prone to fail. But if you simply went to say start a different Gen and will continue with Honda, you do have a stop function at least with phone app. The Honda I honestly think will give more watts in less time and burn less fuel.

Yea the idea of the smart gen is awesome but there are a few things that need to be addressed. If I could get a starter kit for the Honda I would just go that route. I don’t need the smart gen to automatically start. But the concept and idea is good but needs a little tweaking.

Yea been wanting to see if it’s truly 10% more efficient. I bet it’s very close to the same. Maybe the 10% is at a certain rpm.

Sure it shouldn’t have a problem recharging any battery station using the standard ac port. I don’t have a ac300 or 500 but will have a ac200 max in a couple days to play with. But overall it still provides normal ac power like any generator. But it’s fancy with gauges and things lol

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Nooo, as that array is to big for the delta pro. Max input voltage is 150 volts. You need a smaller one but you could build a battery back up system and feed right in from your array. All depends how you wanna do it and money

Brand new unit..? That’s a great deal! Or refurbished?

Rato engineering. It’s a small engine like a lawn mower or wood chipper, splitter and more. I dont know anyone who breaks those in. Start with minimal ac load for 5 mins shut off. Move to 50 % load for 5-10mins shut off…75% 5-10 shut off….change oil. 100% 5-10mins shut off. Done. You are doing heat cycles to seat the piston rings. Let sit for about 10 mins or so each rest period. Change oil frequently and hope for the best.

Jason, yes new unit coming just not a hundred percent sure when 🤷‍♂️ I would love to see a higher cc engine but I bet it’s a hundred percent the same except with a propane connection. The programming needs to be changed and also not sure if they will switch the battery which is lithium ion. A small agm may be because I know I have had several wanting to use the unit in cold shed areas. Currently they don’t even have a battery to replace with. You have to exchange the whole unit 😳 But it’s just a battery from sky rich just need to source it.

@@johnnysweekends I guess we will see if it's different or the same soon enough!? Looking forward to seeing the difference.

Yup I’m guessing the same 😂👍🏼

You may wanna check for updates on firmware and also your charging speeds on the delta as you can control AC input speed. Although if charging with a regular generator you may have problems charging if not at all. These models need a pure sine wave inverter generator, but even then you will be put into bypass mode charging with ac. So your total output is limited until ac charging is complete then you can use full power of the unit. If using the smart gen and DC charging you have full usage of the unit. No bypass. Hope this helps

@@johnnysweekends Thanks Johnny, Pure sine wave generator for sure. Firmware up to date. I’ll see how it goes starting at 100% battery on the Delta. At any rate, I’ll probably just put a soft start on my RV air conditioner and run the generator when needed. I was hoping the gen. to Delta was a get-around on installing a soft start but since they (soft start) are now only$100 it’s no big deal.

@ericyoung1973 which delta unit? Pro? And when using any of these for a AC which I don’t know what size Ac either , Everything needs to be off first. Converter off Fridge off That way nothing is running taking any extra power when the ac tries to start

No the carb screw doesn’t need to be messed with.

See here and it will show you Why Dual Fuel Generators Are Better! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/lbqcl852qbiypmw.html

Turn off the fast charge in the back of the delta pro. Go to slow charge then get on the ECOFLOW app and turn AC charge to about 1200 watts or what ever you like. Fast charge with try and draw 1800 watts which is more then the predator 2000 is rated for. Let me know if this fixes your problem

Officially no…. Not yet

Yea the Honda was just what I had on the ready. But everyone also compares every generator to a Honda so it was a good comparison for sound and basics. But I could use another gen with the same engine and see the difference.

The smart generator from EcoFlow, now available as also a dual fuel unit as well, does have cool features if using the data. Auto start and stop when needed. Remote control from your phone. It’s definitely pretty cool with all the capabilities that it has. It uses a common Rato 80cc engine. Which is a good off brand engine that has been around a while now. Now it does have more electronics in it then just about any other generator. And no real long term data yet on how they hold up. I haven’t heard much as far as problems except in extreme cold they have a hard time starting as the battery isn’t super big, so if it needs multiple times to try to start it may not. Kinda depends where your gonna use it and what fuel. There are a couple tricks for cold. The champion 2500 is also a good unit. But remember if charging AC the unit goes to pass through and you can only use 1800 watts while AC charging. Which at 1800 it wont charge, you get only 1800 when AC to use or charge. Hope this helps some.

@@johnnysweekends I definitely like the EcoFlow Dual Fuel Generator -- but the price is not justified in my opinion. My Pros are used for occasional outages, and I was going to try to use solar as a recharging option, but the number of panels needed to recharge the Pro is more than I want to mess with. If my logic is correct, I should be able to recharge a Pro unit with the Champion 2500 running on propane in about 2 to 3 hours. I'm here in FL so cold weather is not much of an issue. Thanks for your reply. BTW, I assume the connection from the Champion to the Pro is simply using the include AC plug that I currently use. Correct?

Ahh got ya. Yea the champion will be lighter as well .And if just for occasional than nothing wrong with the champion as it will be cheaper. All the extra features can add up.

This is the original

Yea the smart gen is cool with the thought of design but I think a second generation is already needed as there are some flaws. So over all yea the Honda gen or another comparable may be a better option for longevity

They are a little spendy

If you cut the cable the data pins have nothing to connect to and communicate. It’s part of the Ecoflow ecosystem so I don’t think it will work but never tried. But there are some dc generators coming out.

@johnnysweekends cheers for the reply. I wish someone would try it. Would be a great way of charging 48v solar batteries. I wonder if it needs those coms cables to put out a charge? If not, someone smart enough could connect a few of those coms together and add a resistor or diode or something to another and it would work surely. I don't have the smarts to go doing that unfortunately.

Still almost max. Rpm’s don’t drop till under a 1000 watts or using the Ac is the only way eco mode works

​@@johnnysweekendsok. Interesting. I'm waiting on Australia to get the Delta 2 Max. Thats what im buying it for. I wonder how low you can set DC charging on it? I'd prefer it to rev lower.

True a couple items left out because sure is hard to get everything with out the video being to long. I’m doing a updated video soon but short one.

@@johnnysweekends I am looking at buying the Smart Home Panel System with two Delta Pros to start with. I am not ready to put up solar panels, but I use medical equipment that I need be powered uninterrupted. One of the things I like about this system is it's modularity so I can piece it together as money and situation allows (add batteries, solar etc). I am thinking that I will get the Smart Generator to recharge the Pros if the power were to stay off for an extended period (medically I also need the A/C to run which would be huge draw in summer). But I live in an area where it can get very cold and snows and in summer very hot which makes putting the generator outside worrisome. I just watched your video on adding an exhaust line to the Smart generator, which will solve my issue of where to place it as it will allow me to put it in my garage with proper additional Co monitor(s), but do you know if I need to trickle charge the battery if it's on standby? Should I schedule it to turn on for a few minutes like once a month? (this was recommended by Generac when I was looking into their standby generator) Is there anything else I would need to watch out for or do as maintenance when using it as a standby for the Delta Pro generators?

It really depends on the generator. Some actually have a decent sine wave that would probably be just fine to charge but since I don’t know what it is or tested it I would advise not unless you really need to

Needs to be a good clean sine wave. Non inverter generators are likely to damage the electronics with distortion on the AC output.

Many are using it off grid and so far most are having great luck. Some have had a couple issues but that can be with any company or brand. But ECOFLOW does have pretty good customer service and warranty. So far they are doing pretty good for a newer brand..👍🏼

@@johnnysweekends thank you very much for the response it is very helpful 😃

Correct the ECOFLOW uses a standard 80cc Yamaha mz80 clone motor. One of the most popular used. But yea the new gx 121cc Honda engine is really nice. That unit could have easily been a 2500 watt unit. Would have really made it killer. But it still does good and will easily run most any ac unit and just purrr

Loving your channel and quality content! Keep it up my friend!👍🏼

Thank you appreciate it..👍🏼😀

Exactly this is one of the issues I have with the unit. No warm up cycle and straight to full rpm

Ok, so the smart generator will not charge the delta pro in sub zero conditions? At all? Thanks in advance. About to buy one but want it to work during the winter here in UK 👍

Yea unfortunately the unit does not have a built in heater so if it’s to cold it will not charge. That is one of the down falls. So little blanket heaters can be added to keep them warm enough but obviously takes energy for that.

I didn’t see a octane level as well but maybe I need to double check. But since they don’t manufacture the engine, and it’s a common Yamaha mz 80 clone engine, every other one of those all run on 87. So unless they did something specifically different 87 should be more than enough for a outdoor power equipment engine. Thanks you btw as well 😀👍🏼

Uhh sorry I can’t translate it

Honda never has discounts or sales. Only the dealer has about a $25 margin to go up or down from suggested retail. Or if demand is high they can obviously raise the price. Which I have seen units as much as $300 more than normal.

@@johnnysweekends Thanks for your quick reply Johnny!

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On 3 different generators ? So your saying the starting will just spin and not engage the starter bendix??

@@johnnysweekends yes exactly after regular use of this feature it seems to have a flaw I’m hoping they can fix this issue if enough people recognise it or maybe I’m just very unlucky .

Ho many hours were on each..? I have two the original and dual. Maybe 10 hours between both but no issues as far as starter not engaging…🤔

Hello, and no problem. And honestly wasn’t supposed to be apples to apples. More of people deciding is the Honda better to do basic charging of EcoFlow products or better to jump into the EcoFlow ecosystem. The original smart gen I had was for my DP which has moved on as I have the DF now to run my D2M and DP and also Power kit setup in my RV. Having the EcoFlow smart gen allows full integration for full autonomous charging as long as there is fuel. It’s a good gen with a commonly used Yamaha clone MZ-80 engine. While it has its pros it also has a couple cons like higher than normal rpm ranges, no warm up cycle and eco mode doesn’t work in DC charging setup as lowest watt range for DP and larger systems is 1000 watts. Which eco is off at about 800-850 if memory serves. Definitely a great addition to any EcoFlow ecosystem. But with the few draw backs like mentioned above, oh and the short DC cable makes it still have a couple considerations people should think about before buying one. I so far love it and recommend if you are truly going all in on EcoFlow products. Much like all in on apple if that’s your thing, but it can be used as a stand alone generator if you wanted it for the fancy on and off auto start and shut down while using the app. I would mind a higher output unit now as charging 10K and above units definitely takes time. And no gen should be ran at full capacity all the time if you expect longevity out of it. Hybrid mini splits are the best thing since sliced bread..!!

Yea doesn’t matter what ac source or generator. But good idea it’s a inverter gen and obviously 120volt at 60hrz

Will dust you wanna find out about how many watts all of that uses. I don’t know the size of the fridge and the freezer and the Ac which are your bigger draws of power. Then do you want a enclosed frame inverter gen that’s quieter or are you in a area where a open frame Gen will work which is cheaper. Many open frames are inverter as well. Also do you wanna run propane or gas only. Plus your budget…

​​​@@johnnysweekends OK did the math, looks like 4-5k total watts. Run time is preferable over quietness, both are ideal. Wifi or Bluetooth connectivity/monitoring would be cool too but not necessary.

Unfortunately in that size wifi and Bluetooth don’t really exist yet. Honda has Bluetooth in a couple models and so does ryobi and echo which I’m pretty sure are same manufacturer for those models. But to get for data and start stop like this smart gen well there are none that I know of in 4500-5000 watt models. There are dual fuels and remote starts but again wifi and Bluetooth is on smaller units or Hondas big 7000 watt model. Which I do see these used for about $2500 sometimes but that’s rare. I guess next is do you want dual fuel. Most of the time I prefer a few champion models the 4500 and 4650 were a couple of the best so far that are quite and longer run times they say a comparable Westinghouse 4500 model. Both can be gas, dual, pull start, electric or full electric with remote start as well. Genmax has some nice models coming as well but that could be a few more months at least.

​@@johnnysweekends Dual fuel and remote start would be cool. Not sure the advantage of remote start if you have to fill the tank anyways lol

Well you can add extended fuel tanks or add a dual pump that way it draws from a larger fuel cell. Anything can be done with enough will to never say die!!! 😂

Are those diesel units?

@@johnnysweekends nope they are the same motors in garden tractors and other equipment. Big motors running little (4-6kw) generator heads don't need to spin as fast. Also oil filtration makes a huge service life difference.

Ahh yea totally different animals here. Those will run thousands of hours. This unit here I do t think was intended for the always running but more to supplement solar. So only getting a few hours a day at most. Unless doing severe duty then another unit is recommended.

Oh I’m lost with this??

Thanks for fact checking, one of the reasons I like this company 😀👍🏼

@@johnnysweekends I try to remain open to admitting when I make a mistake and correcting immediately.

@FSX239 as do I…😀👊🏼👍🏼

If I remember the smart gen will do 5.4kw on a full tank of gas..👍🏼

It’s not really meant for normal generator things. It’s more meant for the ECOFLOW eco system and charging those devices quickly but you can use the AC port at the same time if you wish

Doesn’t really work that way lol

The Ecoflow smart gen has come down in price. And providing dc input means you get full functionality and power of delta pro verses only 1800 watts of using Ac charging and on pass through. That may not be a big deal but DC charging is 10% more efficient and uses a Yamaha clone engine from Rato which is actually a good engine. But yes depending on loads and more you get about 85-90% of the capacity of the DP. But almost every other power station out there is 87-92% That’s just the way they are. Also smart gen has come down in price a lot…. See amzn.to/484JVA4

It’s also dual fuel so propane which is cleaner and safer which Honda does not offer.

True but only for a limited amount of time which could be 10 mins or maybe up to 30 mins. But overall rated at 1800. But of course the ECOFLOW smart gen now available in a dual fuel does so much more. But it’s really meant for the ECOFLOW ecosystem 👍🏼

Loving your videos just got a delta pro and the generator. But I’m in the uk. Thanks for your videos

You’re welcome and love the Channel name. That’s cool 👍🏼😀

I have been in contact with them since I started my affiliation with them. There are a few on here now that have bought and received there units and shipping was quick. Also depends on supply as they get popular and come and go. But yes so far everyone seems to be happy with them. I haven’t heard negative from them. I agree the site is pretty standard. But I bought my unit from them before the affiliation and everything was great and a good deal…👍🏼 Hence why I talked with them..😀👍🏼

The Honda does have a copilot advantages and disadvantages. It’s a 121cc engine that’s a belt drive verses say the Yamaha is old and push rod. People seem to not like the belt but I don’t hear of them breaking much. On a fuel efficiency test the Yamaha and it’s 80cc engine was more fuel efficient under same loads but about equal at max. Both of the units run about the same price but the ECOFLOW has a certain purpose.

@@johnnysweekends - Buying one I think depends somewhat on how often you will use them. .... I want to buy a Honda for a long time, but I don't think I'd use it very often & that seems to be what Breaks ANY of the Generators regardless of Brand. ..... The Hondas were made to run a lot. ..... and most of the cheaper versions will break if you use them too much (so it seems on my research.) ...... anyway 100 videos later I'm still not sure what to buy. ...... USED

The Honda when it comes to performance by numbers does the best. But it’s prone to problems like all of them especially the newer ones it seems. I’m in a couple Honda forms and they complain to of issues. When it comes to used I have no issue buying a used one and saving money but you don’t get a warranty. No biggie if you can fix your self which most things are carb issues. The Honda is nice but unfortunately over priced it seems and the glory days of Honda grand May be behind them.

@@johnnysweekends Damn! That's sad to hear about. I'm either mr. to fix-it or MR. Break-It forever kind of guy. I try to avoid fixing things until I have no choice as it means it's my last resort before hunting a replacement.

Lol I understand 👍🏼

True the Honda is a tough act to beat. But I’m not sure if you know what this does. It’s really part of the ECOFLOW ecosystem. With auto start and stop technology and now a dual fuel model you technically don’t have to touch it to recharge your battery bank. Except for fuel.

@@johnnysweekends ok i see - now i understand how the smart generator comes in handy for continuous long power outage situations. for most people, they are only concerned with brown-out situations.

Well it depends you would be surprised how many are starting to use these for off grid builds, Rv groups and other countries as well. For most people in the states a basic unit is all you need unless you want to start a off grid journey or want cool shit..! 😂👍🏼

Ok here is a little more detailed info on two units ECOFLOW Delta Pro and Smart Generator Real World Experience! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r8l_oZiKqLnMmn0.html

Look at which needs more maintenance, the Porsche by a 1000 times. The less revolutions per minute the less wear on cylinder, piston rings, springs valves crank, bearings and more. 3600 to 4000 is ideal for max rpm after that your over spinning in this catagory. But will see how long it lasts.

I agree I’m honestly not to impressed unless you specifically utilize it for that one feature only which is the auto on and off. Other then that it’s nothing special and I think is prone to fail sooner then other units. And yes it’s loud!!

I agree! I also purchased the Delta Pro and the smart generator. Looked everywhere for that small adapter, b'cause the instructions depict & describe it. Called EF, and the customer service person told me that when buying through CostCo, that adapter is not included (?!?!?!) WTH??? That is the reason I purchased it! What BS! I bought it, but am not happy about it!

It should be included or included with the smart gen I guess since you need it for that. Lame you have to buy it separate now.

@@johnnysweekends I agree. EcoFlow reach out to me after some one from their company read the review that I left on Amazon. They changed their minds and sent me the adapter. However, to the best of my knowledge adapter still does not ship with the generator or the Delta Pro for free.

It needs to be included with the generator because if you buy the generator you can’t even use it..🤷‍♂️ So either have a direct plug in or include the adapter with one of the units. That’s shady for sales.

Depends what you are trying to accomplish. The smart gen can put out ac or Dc power. Which Dc to Dc is more efficient plus with auto start features and solar it’s way more efficient then gas, sometimes. Once so do is full solar maintains and then the smart gen can kick on and off as needed. Verses the Honda must stay running, always.

What fuel efficiency test do you want. And up against what that is comparable? Let me know

@@johnnysweekends Put 1 gallon of fuel exactly to both Honda and Ecoflow and test how much watt does each charge to Ecoflow battery. Is Ecoflow generator actually 10 percent more efficient in charging battery vs honda.

I can tell you now that it’s not. It will burn more fuel because of the excessive high rpm’s the ECOFLOW generator runs at. I have done this test before with other units and even though ECOFLOW has a smaller 80cc engine, and Honda has a 121cc once both at higher rpm or full load they test came out almost identical. But that Yamaha engine also turned less rpm. So up the rpm and now you will burn more fuel then the Honda of both at at full load. Even at 60% I bet the ECOFLOW does worse due to Honda low idle and low load rpm. But it would be a decent test and I don’t need a gallon I can simply use a measured amount of fuel but the power station would also have to be at the same charge percentage that way it can draw the same. Of course I can set it as well. I’ll look into it. Probably be about 2-3 weeks.

Would be nice lol

Hands 🙌🏼

Honda is fraud or ECOFLOW ..?

The ecoflow Generator seems to have been built specifically to charge their batteries. It lacks additional AC outlets which limits its use for general purposes. It also charges the delta Pro on DC, so you use/draw power from the delta pro while charging. You can’t do that while charging with AC. Again, supporting the fact that the ecoflow generator was optimized for use with ecoflow products and not general use. The review did not favor the Honda, he simply pointed out the narrow ranged usage of the Ecoflow generator.

The generator was built for a purpose, I think it could have been built a little more universal. And also a lot quieter as the thing goes from zero to max with no warm up or anything. And over all with the engine reving higher then any small generator even larger ones it will cause premature wear and adds to the overall sound/tone and db level of this unit. The could have easily found another way to put out the same amount of watts at a lower rpm. Biggest thing is on a cold 40 degree morning or colder, nothing like having the generator start and idle for about oh 1 second and go straight to 5000 rpm. Again the idea is great. And allows you to use full functions of the delta pro. Verses the Honda will charge the pro and run items as a pass through but only to a certain wattage. Thanks for the comment ..👍🏼😀

@@johnnysweekends I totally agree and don't know why someone screams "fraud". If the Ecoflow is much louder than a Eu20/22 from Honda, then it's a major drawback. If the engine is this small, the higher RPM will mean more wear. I really was trying to find a good (enough) reason to get the Ecoflow. But at the End, the increased noise, small engine and the questionable longevity make me lean to stay away from it. Even though I like the Electric Start option. If one wants to implement it in Ecoflow infrastructure, I see advantages, but if one needs a Generator for multiple applications (which could include supporting a Battery Bank), I guess a Honda ist the better option... Sadly, because electric start/stop (with a remote function) makes much sense in some applications.

The Honda is a great little power house unit but with some limitations like any unit. The EcoFlow smart gen really is packed with features and thought out well for the intended use. But i still dont like that eco mode is basically useless and it starts and goes right up to engine rpm when plugged into any EcoFlow product. It’s works for ac modes on low watt draws but i don’t recommend this unit unless you own EcoFlow products and want to expand you EcoFlow ecosystem. The original comment guy, well like any place you find comments you have trolls as well.