Varése kicks ass! No wonder Zappa loved him..

Absolutely agree, There was some other good stuff on that album as well.

Or.. it kicks ass!! 😁 No wonder Frank Zappa loved it..

Came here to make this comment.

you could always buy the recording, bozo.

@@blahdeblah6207 of this particular performance?

How can you tell? When can you hear it?

Interesting. I was enjoying the recording without thinking much about it, but now that I am thinking about it, I guess the percussion does seem a bit far away, although I don't mind it. Wouldn't that be a fair representation of what it might sound like if you had good seats in this hall? They are at the back after all. i suppose some spot mics would do the trick, but I can't help but wonder if that would make the percussion sound a bit too close. Thanks!

KZfaq is part of the problem as well. If you upload a video like that, the sound gets compressed to some degree.

@@davewestner You make some good points. But actually, it's all a matter of BALANCE. I have myself uploaded a copy of "ARCANA" which I chose because of it's excellent recording. KZfaq use data compression, but it won't substantially alter the balance of the instruments.

@@AsIwasPlayingDrums KZfaq use data compression, but that won't substantially alter the balance of the instruments within the recording. I have myself posted a version of ARCANA which I believe is an excellent recording for comparison.

@@michaelberridge1934 I am listening to Arcana from your page. I am going to comment about it on that video. just wanted to let you know so you recall this conversation

NO, IT DOES NOT SOUND AS JOHN WILLIAMS. JOHN WILLIAMS USED LOTS OF COMPOSERS TO MAKE HIS "ORIGINAL MUSIC". HE IS A THIEF!

@@gerardogerardiux6367 haha funny

Frank Zappa often said in interviews he was immensely influenced by Varèses work. Zappa made a list in 1966 consisting of his biggest influences. Varèse was in it together with names like Stravinsky, Stockhausen, Boulez, Ravel, Webern and Schönberg.

Thanks.

Oh! A little bit of discrimination is always nice. So, young people play better than old people….this orchestra doesnt pay well, see….? So, young people who didnt get a better place yet work here.

@Leonardo Iglesias nothing worse than when some troll puts words in your mouth that were never there

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As one wag said, "Stravinsky's Le Sacre and Schoenberg's Fünf Stücke had a baby!"

You forgot Debussy

Indeed a more sinister form of Stravinksy's Rite of Spring. Great work!

How you just gonna compare Stravinsky to this composer the piece is good were talking about Stravinsky here he’s probably the best composer in ever and know I regret replying to your “comment”

I adore this piece so powerful

AND Stravinsky AND Schönberg..

@@ulfingvar1 Yep...

2:21 Finding four notes here and there identical to four notes in "The Rite" isn't exactly fair. You've neglected to mention the thousands of notes having no connection. Yes, "The Rite" was an important work, but this argument is faulty for being entirely selective. If "The Rite" were so influential on it, where are the ostinato patterns that make "The Rite" structurally groundbreaking? No where in Varèse. He has an entirely different structural approach far more relevant than four similar notes or a similar metric emphasis spanning all of three seconds.

THAT beginning is unmistakably a LIFT from Stravinsky!

There are a lot of hints, 11:11 for example

The piece wouldn't exist if Stravinsky hadn't written The Rite of Spring. Its influence is all over this score. It's still unmistakably Varese, but the Stravinsky influence is huge.

You don't have to "understand" anything. Listen.

@@raouldegardefeu1310 That's how I look at it. If you like it: Fine. If not: Fine. There are many types of people and many types of music. Yes, I would agree - just listen to it.

All I can say is look at the title. THAT is your context. And I am from there myself!

What I do before any score analysis, is close my eyes, and listen to the piece 15-20 times, and just go on a musical journey. Let the music take me wherever it wants to take me.... I GO! Then I pick up the score and then start studying it for the next 15-20 listens. Then I for the next 5 listens I act like I am conducting the piece... Then after 40-50 listens, half with the score, that is how you get to ''understand'' a piece. It is not a quick process. There are pieces like Ligeti's Requiem...that may take 100-150 listen throughs to ''understand'' the piece. Also reading a biography/autobiography about the composers life also helps!

it is just that - a siren. Varese also uses it in "Ionisation"

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Je suis un peux septique a propos de cette musique j'ai du mal avec elle pourtant je trouve que ça sonne bien elle me rapelle stravinsky

Ça veut dire qu'il n'y a eu aucune modification de la bande son (rééquilibrage des micros) en postproduction

Chicago has always done ferocity better than just about any orchestra. Maybe it's the climate.

Word. I was inspired to listen to this piece again because I was listening to Zappa's Mo n Herb's vacation with the score.

Not many people know Varèse collaborated at least twice with Antonin Artaud, who was also a big influence on Zappa. Like Artaud Varèse was mocked in his day.

They might compare it because of how they're both avant-garde & atonal

The question is wh=ther Varèse was quoting Stravinsky. Nothing to do with comparison.

@@wp6007 Stravinsky isn't atonal?

@xxxwood_windxx-bb4413 I'm not sure what you mean when you say this piece is "far away from Stravinsky's time". Rite of Spring was composed in 1913 and this was written only 8 years later in 1921.

Carement

@articflower2789 - I suppose you're making a joke, but just in case you're not you should know that this piece was composed in 1921 and first performed a few years later in 1926.

Ça va, on a compris...

How is this absurdism?

@@segmentsAndCurves Orthogonality to rational, melodious? An obvious hectoring of petite bourgeois sensibilities? Dissettlement -- if that's a word? An entire orchestra is purposed for what is anti-structural? Reveling with _Schadenfreude_ at hearing this would be absurdist, IMHO.

@@vonBottorff And you are implying that this piece falls into those margins, let alone any of the qualities above is relevant to "absurd"?

@@segmentsAndCurves No, I enjoy it for its sheer musicality, its ability to explore what I call _tonal neutrality._ Absurdism is necessarily an integral relationship phenomenon with the non-absurd, the structured set of petty bourgeois sensibilities. Now, can you or I honestly claim objectivity? Or are we forever captive to our socialization? Can we face outwards? Or are we slaves to our comforts and reassurances? I'm a big Ligeti fan, and his association with _2001 A Space Odyssey_ was quite formative for me. I can better face my non-facing of the Universe with these musical aids. So let me finally define absurdism as runaway irony. But then what and why is irony? One set of highly intelligent people enjoy the hell out of it, another set reviles it.

@@vonBottorff We are slaves of our own opinion. Nothing is wrong with that, if you keep remind yourself that there's more to be discovered.