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@thegarunixking11013 жыл бұрын
Um, I don't think Gideon's Sacrifice returns to your hand with Feather, because Feather says the spell specifically has to target a creature you control, and Gideon's Sacrifice doesn't actually target anything, it says "CHOOSE a creature or planeswalker you control..."
@EDHRECast3 жыл бұрын
Ouch, yup, missed that. Will pin this comment so other folks can see it too. Apologies for the error.
@fredrikhjorth48673 жыл бұрын
Thats totaly right, sadly Gideon's Sacrifice does not work that way.
@nanka3373 жыл бұрын
Martyrdom is what you're looking for
@fredrikhjorth48673 жыл бұрын
It does not work since Feather is looking for cards that say target and Gideon's Sacrifice says choose, its almost the same but it does not work. If you want to try it out, you can use arena and see that it does not not work. Or try to find somone who has tried it.
@piralos13293 жыл бұрын
@@blaze556922 Choose very specifically isn't target, and this also matters within the rules for creatures with Hexproof and Shroud. A good example of this is the card "Council's Judgement", which has each player choose, rather than targetting. This lets it get around hexproof cards and protection as well, which is brutal against voltron decks. Gideon's Sacrifice doesn't work, unfortunately. That said, if you do want a really solid repeatable fog, try out Intimidation Bolt! If you target your own creature, you can just lock an opponent out of ever being able to attack, for just 3 mana. And, because it only does 3 damage, it doesn't even kill feather!
@spencersonnier13 жыл бұрын
Another fog like effect to replace Gideon’s Intervention would be Intimidation Bolt. 1RW for an instant. Deals 2 damage to a creature and says that other creatures can’t attack this turn. Ding off one of your tokens and then stop your opponent from being able to attack you. Also it’s been suggested already but Livewire Lash is a great equipment for a deck that wants to target its own creatures. EDIT: This deck needs Impact Resonance. That card can wipe out entire battlefields if timed correctly
@Lonewanderer66663 жыл бұрын
I think we need to cut wayfayer's bauble here... it's a very expensive card.
@samk80053 жыл бұрын
I know that you're meme-ing here, but for anyone building Feather: don't cut Wayfarer's Bauble. It's incredible in this deck, since Feather is very mana-intensive and we want her out asap.
@kaiokenx1003 жыл бұрын
a neat card i've found to be a really "gotcha!" card in Feather is Patrician's Scorn. Someone tries to remove Feather, you protect it with a white protection spell, then before end of turn you cast a free "clear the board of all pesky enchantments".
@WillisPtheone3 жыл бұрын
I love this. People often let people keep enchantments they really should not. I will try to stay away from mana rocks but every enchantment that another player is playing is advancing their position far more then 1 or 2 mana. A free enchant wipe that you can play at any time for the cost of advancing your own game is awesome.
@zapsdiputs3 жыл бұрын
Finally an upping the average on a commander I have a deck of!
@sebastien73303 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a K'rrik Son of Yawgmoth episode 😄
@DAsrada3 жыл бұрын
Joey is such a joy (after all, you can't spell Joey without Joy) - I'd love to play Commander with him.
@kandjar3 жыл бұрын
Two other cards I think belong in Feather the Redeemed deck: - "Open the Armory": Sunforger is such a powerhouse in this deck, that having an extra card to help getting it faster is a must. - "Livewire Lash" is another equipment which helps getting rid of blockers or utility creatures.
@spencersonnier13 жыл бұрын
Livewire Lash is super underrated
@raresux2 жыл бұрын
livewire lash is insanely underrated
@williamrodenbough55183 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a voltron Feather deck list that Joey plays.
@DarkSwan013 жыл бұрын
Ooooo, some of the cards in this deck I may include in my budget league deck for Feather for a LGS in my home town. I like that equipment that boosts the equipped creature. Thanks for doing the video. :) The league rules include a budget of $50 not including commander or basic lands based on site MTGStocks amongst other rules.
@williamcortespoppedecarval9513 жыл бұрын
Quick deck tech if you target a token of yours with path to exile you ecile with feather and can use that to ramp up if necessary especially if pyromancer is in play
@martinithechobit3 жыл бұрын
I needed this.
@jacknelson86403 жыл бұрын
I love these 'Upping the Average' episodes ! I would love to see a break down for 'Kestia the Cultivator' and 'Arixmethes the Slumbering Isle'.
@lucalapointe60113 жыл бұрын
I love charmbreaker devils in this deck because it will always get you back your removal spells or other utility spells like riot control.
@kylegantert45683 жыл бұрын
Leonin Battlemage is one of my favorite cards for Feather. It buffs her damage for every spell you play and can create even more surprise lethal situations.
@Antare53 жыл бұрын
So I actually tried to make my Feather deck a Vorthos deck. Feather was rescued by Krenko, so Krenko tin street kingpin goes in All of my creatures not counting Krenko (and young pyromancer because I've never played it and wanted to) are actual Boros creatures with Aurelia the warleader, Tajic legion's edge, Tenth District Legionnaire etc. And Feather returned to the legion after finding the Parhelion and Aurelia allowed her to fly amidst the firemane angels again, so I have Indomitable Creativity to search out Parhelion II. Which I hope to accomplish someday. I'm also running Chance for Glory, so I think it's fair to say I am *not* upping the average with my build haha
@riedenstien9799 Жыл бұрын
o7
@MitchieB3 жыл бұрын
An equipment I like for Feather is Explorer's Scope. For me it's a budget Sword of the Animist, it doesn't pump and doesn't let you fetch a land but if the top card is a land it still puts it into play tapped. Pair it with 1 cmc scry effects and it helps me churn through the deck a little bit better.
@sonkal-elkent61433 жыл бұрын
First time I've seen one of these episodes that actually pertains to a deck I have 😁
@austinius28783 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see so many people playing Feather she's awesome
@Seergun3 жыл бұрын
My list probably looks more like yours. I started with the heroic stuff, but didn't like it, so switched more to the voltron strategy. My point being I disagree with removing the weaker versions of guttersnipe, but for this version I can accept it, since you can focus more on the tokens. Also, especially with this list keeping more heroic creatures, mild surprised you didn't mention eerie interlude as a fun protection spell.
@re1fu3 жыл бұрын
some of the cards i value in a budget feather: some blink spells like 'otherwordly journey' and 'long road home' = these spells avoid almost any removal (sacrifice, board wipes, -1 -1 counters, bounces, exiles) unlike just a hexproof, or just a indestructable., also can be used as removal combined with containment priest. other one is 'precursor golem' a verrryy cheapp card., which makes use of any of your instants even without feather., use 1 mana cantrip and draw 3 cards? use a +3+3 before damage and get a 3 6/6 golem dealing 18 damage out of nowhere., worst case scenario is it can soak up a removal that could have targeted feather., more expensive side: dockside , recruiter of the guard, chromatic lantern., and a cute combo of mana geyser (or smothering tithe in play) , reforge the soul, underworld breech, angel's grace for a mill win :)), or a storm aetherflux ., these individual cards are good on their own even without the combo.,
@ErasMcras3 жыл бұрын
I play empyrial plate in my feather because it's so good with the massive card draw engines you set up
@happybrain26743 жыл бұрын
I like the path to exile + zada combo
@dervar13 жыл бұрын
I actually play a Standard Bearer in my Feather List to protect Feather.
@cameronconkle67963 жыл бұрын
I loved this video. I personally have a deck that sounds like it is more like yours. I have been playing it for only a short time now, though and was looki mg for ways to improve it. It always plays well and usually threatens quick eliminations, but I have been struggling to finish games. I would love to see your personal list to compare and see what more I can do to push it over the top.
@frankverisco4722 Жыл бұрын
Thx you showed me some cards that i didnt know exist.
@bigmacmm53 жыл бұрын
*ANGEL PUNCH* *ANGEL PUNCH* *ANGEL PUNCH*
@karolkurzawa32463 жыл бұрын
My favorite commander. I like to play cards that's grants her vigilance because then opponents are less likely to hit you. One of budget cards I'm very fun of in this deck is 'Mirror Shield'. Additional hex proof source and 0/+2 is great for her. But the card that's i feel is missing here is 'Balduvian Rage'. It is great way to win the game from nowhere or additional way to draw a card.
@DuncanEllis3 жыл бұрын
Feather is an excellent commander. My version of the deck was based on my Zada list and was fun to play once or twice, but a bit too linear to play repeatedly in my playgroup. I might put it together again if I ever play outside my playgroup again.
@vincenzoorasi24983 жыл бұрын
A couple of considerations: -Aurelia's fury is absurdly good in feather. It's a 4 mana repeatable silence on an opponent of your choice every turn rotation, more once you reach 8 mana. Against certain decks is a wincon on its own. In 3 players it also allows you to lock one player out of the game while punching the second and eliminating them swiftly. I reeeally wouldn't cut it -Magnetic theft is amazing here, you grab it with sunforger as the first spell, and then it cuts down the cost of sunforger to 3 instead of 5, and also allows you to use sunforger more than once per turn rotation. -feather really isn't a low mana deck. Its curve may be low, but having to leave open so much mana for protection spells, plus wanting to cast a cantrip every turn, makes it so you want to have around 3-4 open mana at the end of your turn. Plus if they kill feather just once you have to wait a long time to have the mana to recast it with protection open. A couple of rounds of blinking solemn simulacrum will fix all of your problems
@Seergun3 жыл бұрын
1) like you mention later, this deck is surprisingly mana hungry, and for full protection, you'd need 12 mana. Also, its not a full silence, just non creatures 2) if it wasnt $4(probably _because_ of Feather tbo...), but I agree 3) agree again, especially if you run the blink/flicker effects. Hell, kor cartographer might be worth it
@marcccreates3 жыл бұрын
Yeh I agree with this, I think maybe not enough time was spent on how it could be used to silence people. For my list it seems great but worth for others to at least test and see if it works well in their play group or adds value to the play style they might like.
@lupojw65663 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@brandondrake46093 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie I kinda felt attacked on some of these. but I found some cards I’d never seen before so thanks, much appreciated 👍
@Techmarine1133 жыл бұрын
Lookit chu in that fancy scarf.
@only1sn1not1taken3 жыл бұрын
I personally run a more voltron strat for the deck as well however I go less on the pump style of play and more on the defensive and controlling style of play. The heroic creatures that I run are ones that can give me a wide board so I'm not wide open for attacks from other players. Solemn 100% stays in for me since there are several flicker style effects that are taken advantage of in the deck. I can usually out ramp even the lands matter style decks to have a very storm style finish. The more mana you have means the more spells you can sling during each players post combat main phase. The deck runs several low impact spells and being able to cast more of them each turn can be very critical.
@yoshiman95213 жыл бұрын
intimidation bolt, volcanic wind. dreadhorde arcanist, mizzix's mastery all overperform in my feather deck. dreadhorde arcanist can put spells back in your hand if they got lost due to feather getting removed or wheeled away. volcanic wind is a repeatable board wipe. mizzix's mastery gives you a ton of spell cast triggers all at once.
@UgoneTheBest3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always, keep up the great work! Can we have Kalamax next please? :D
@danielyarsky61283 жыл бұрын
Hi, can you do an upping the average for my personal favorite commander, Nath of the Gilt leaf?
@suntitan44193 жыл бұрын
Boros yes nice bro I run mine as a more voltron too I found it more fun an effective
@vasylpark21493 жыл бұрын
With Samut's Sprint I would prefer to see the scry. The worst thing I've seen with Feather is running into dead draws. especially if you're looking for multiple ways of protection for feather
@thrasherftw2 жыл бұрын
Built to smash is another brute force effect.
@lxixian75043 жыл бұрын
I know Akroan Conscriptor isn't great. But stealing all creatures and then exiling them all with Zada/ Cloudshift and returning them under my control feels so janky and great.
@lucasgavatriches64763 жыл бұрын
some cards that i run on my Feather. (i like the more voltron strategy) * Myth Realized: like scroll of the masters, but have its own body * Intimidation Bolt: a bit expensive, but a repeatable fog-like spell in boros has it's charm * Livewire Lash: a guttersnipe effect that pump feather and can´t be killed
@coreyroberson45503 жыл бұрын
I'm sad not to see Walking Atlas - this has been an all-star in my Feather deck, frequently ramping me even past some green decks. When you're drawing 5+ cards a turn, dumping extra lands into play and being able to cast more spells is great.
@jovismarshall3 жыл бұрын
It’s a bit pricey but Terrain Generator works well in my deck
@coreyroberson45503 жыл бұрын
@@jovismarshall Good card, and I use it in my Tatyova deck. But I can't say I'm a fan here, for two main reasons. First, Feather is super color-specific, so I only have room for one colorless land (Reliquary Tower). Second, Walking Atlas only costs a single investment of 2 mana, while Terrain Generator requires I tap three lands for every activation, making it harder to keep protective mana up. I can see the advantage of it being harder to remove, though.
@thrasherftw2 жыл бұрын
A real good one, in my opinion, is if you use path to exile on a token made by young pyromancer, exiling it, getting a land, and making another token to do it again next opponents turn.. also can use a draw a card on one of the heroic token makers to get a token, then path that.. effectively drawing a card and getting a land on the field tapped for 2 mana.. walking atlas is a good one too, think I’ll be adding that too.
@coreyroberson45502 жыл бұрын
@@thrasherftw Oh, yeah, I've done the Path to Exile/Young Pyromancer trick a few times. It's fun. If you get Mavinda in play, you can even make it crazier - Path an opponent's creature, then cast from the grave on your token while pyromancer makes another token. Do this every turn, and you can remove four creatures and ramp four lands every trip around the table.
@jackgarn8392 Жыл бұрын
@@coreyroberson4550 This is bananas, I'm a year late here but putting together a feather list atm and going to try to make this happen. Great tips here!
@zoopdoop_games3 жыл бұрын
Check out fall of the hammer. Often times a 2 mana removal spell thats repeatable
@poiuoloi3 жыл бұрын
When will the Partners from Commander Legends go up in the site? Looking for Sakashima and Kodama's pages
@davidrosenberg96153 жыл бұрын
Glissa, the Traitor!
@felipeafonsocorrea17483 жыл бұрын
Could you do one for Brago ???
@RefaTheGreat3 жыл бұрын
No Niveous Wisps? 1 mana instant speed cantrips are the lifeblood of Feather and it's odd to see this one not make the list.
@prestonkummer84953 жыл бұрын
You'd have to tap your own creature to make it work, there are just better cantrips for Feather
@RefaTheGreat3 жыл бұрын
@@prestonkummer8495 That's an extremely minor downside because you're generally not blocking with Feather anyways and you have other creatures/token generators as well.
@re1fu3 жыл бұрын
@@prestonkummer8495 also, you dont have to tap a creature as an additional cost., so you can cast it on an already tapped creature ;)
@prestonkummer84953 жыл бұрын
That's valid, still, there are already so many cantrips with upside, why include a cantrip with downside
@RefaTheGreat3 жыл бұрын
@@prestonkummer8495 Because it's 1 mana at instant speed which makes it better than any of the ones that are either at sorcery speed or more than 1 mana. The rest of the 1 mana instant speed cantrips have already been included in the deck. Additionally, in a pinch you can use this on an opponent's creature to save yourself.
@norushoutcast3 жыл бұрын
Can I request Brudiclad in the next deck? I want to create him as my first EDH Deck.
@brianokafor97483 жыл бұрын
More budget commanders in the future 🙂👍
@Elivaknin.s11 ай бұрын
how will Feather, the Redeemed interact with Flashback and Aftermath cards
@frandynamo21433 жыл бұрын
I do love Feather and she is interesting in that many feather decks may be built differently with different strategies in mind. I'm loving the revelation of Leering Emblem. Defo will have to get a copy of that for my build. I couldn't agree more about those two cards for doubling spells. They just don't seem worth it. Your removal of Tenth District Legionnaire hurts the most as its so flavourful and synergistic even if you gave the reasons that you gave to remove it. And I do love Akroan Conscriptor so much in the deck, to be able to trigger it during combat and really mess with your opponents attackers and blockers is just delicious. I think Sunforger is just amazing in this deck though and would include that and with the likes of chance for glory and angels grace which you can tutor both for with it you can give feather and any of your other creatures out at the time indestructible for the rest of the game. Maybe a bit redundant considering all the cantrips in the deck but i like it all the same.
@thrasherftw2 жыл бұрын
Also, for those watching in 2022, angelfire ignition and leonin lightscribe are slam dunks.
@davidberg55443 жыл бұрын
Intimidation Bolt shuts down many decks cold
@jacobjensen77043 жыл бұрын
Please, please, if you're going to be making a Feather deck, play more lands. I can't tell you how many Feather builds I've seen running crazy low numbers like 34, 32, 30 lands. Feather is a very mana-hungry deck. It needs to get to at least 4 mana BEFORE deploying Feather (3 to cast Feather, 1 to protect her, otherwise your opponents will punish you). Not only that, even if the spells are 1 mana you want to be casting multiple spells on every person's turn. This means you need to be hitting every single land drop from turn 1 till the game is over. Running too few lands is not going to help there.
@WillisPtheone3 жыл бұрын
This! I treat Feather like a storm deck and only ever attack with her if its going to be lethal. You need that mana. Play the tiny cantrips and repeat the same few cards only revealing the BIG pumps like Rampage and Double Cleave for finishers. If you draw too much attention you are very vulnerable to being hated out of the game entirely. Also ALL of the cantrips digging to those protection spells is a must and I always find that I would rather give up some pump or a extra like haste first strike etc for Draw a Card. If you do not have a way to protect Feather yet save the mana and cast the cantrips on all three of your opponents turns do not swing in with her unless you can keep her safe. She WILL be targeted down. Unless you get a way to protect her in the opening hand expect to cast her get value and then need to cast her again on your next turn. If you do not have RWW in your opening hand then mulligan 99% of the deck is playable with a red and a white but without that second white you are dead in the water. a 5/4 hand of RWW and any other 2/1 card(s) is better then any 6 or 7 with out RWW. RWW Ramp Cantrip Protection Utility is your best opening hand get Feather out t3 and cast the cantrip end of turn before your t4 leaving the mana open for the protection. Set prioirity on casting things like guttersnipe and cantrips until you have the big plays. No Max Hand Size is your friend.
@michaellarson95713 жыл бұрын
By feather i assume you mean Sunforger target deck lol
@gitaxias3 жыл бұрын
4 color omnomnomnath tech pls
@TheEmeraldboy1003 жыл бұрын
Maybe some enchantment removal for something like Deafening Silence?
@sonkal-elkent61433 жыл бұрын
I like using light of hope
@lucasgavatriches64763 жыл бұрын
i like to run wear // tear
@Randoman5902 жыл бұрын
I disagree with the cut of Tenth District Legionnaire, partly because I'm just personally very fond of it as it and partly because I think that source of repeatable Scry is really good for helping us find the spells we need. Also the Legionnaire will scale up over the course of the game to surpass Feather simply from the cast trigger. I would also call attention to Phalanx Tactics as a fantastic payoff for having Zada and/or Mirrorwing Dragon in play. 1W Instant, +2/+1 to target creature, +1/+1 to all your others. With all the tokens we're already making through Young Pyromancer, Phalanx Leader and Monastery Mentor, that net bonus ramps up very quickly. I would probably cut Infuriate for it.
@tomiixstarslasher776 Жыл бұрын
Doesn't steam-kin and Guttersnipe infinitely combo to win the game with Red Elemental Blast? I know it isn't a combo we would actively tutor for, but it seems like a good continuation to dump the hand, and have as a emergency win button.
@TheStephenation3 жыл бұрын
Feather is pretty good, but what's really great is the look on the Feather player's face when you drop Cowardice onto the battlefield and he reads the card. :P
@sonkal-elkent61433 жыл бұрын
Light of hope 😬
@nasaya773 жыл бұрын
I have to agree about the Fury. Although it was very potent when feather was equipped with Sword of Feast and Famine 🥴
@thedarudecactus31793 жыл бұрын
I fucks with Boros.
@abentevent3 жыл бұрын
Anyone else play Kykar (or any other Jeskai commander with Feather as a "secret commander"? The access to blue makes for some interesting inclusions.
@finedecision56393 жыл бұрын
the best thing about feather is that she doesnt work with jeweled lotus so i dont need to buy it
@odedsaydof73911 ай бұрын
can u make a cupon tp hell us buy magic and not drugs cuz is cheapers
@jikanuminogilde51882 жыл бұрын
Question here, why not include Sundial of the infinite? Making the buffs and protection permanent?
@EDHRECast2 жыл бұрын
Sundial does not interact with these effects in that way :) For more info on end-the-turn effects, we have a breakdown in our Obeka video! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iqqjY5qk3bK8lZc.html
@martinithechobit3 жыл бұрын
But 10th legionnaire is so cool but I agree.
@lfconley3 жыл бұрын
You normally explain things so well. This time I’m seriously confused. Why you’re wearing a T-shirt and a scarf? Love the show
@jorgemendieta80853 жыл бұрын
And where's dreadhorde arcanist? with feather in play he can return the spells from the graveyard to hand.
@jacobjensen77043 жыл бұрын
If your spells are going to the graveyard in EDH you're doing something wrong. The only situation I can think of where that could happen and it's not the player playing badly is if there is a wheel effect, and even then redundancy should draw you into more of those types of cards. Dreadhorde Arcanist is great in the Pioneer Feather decks since you don't always have Feather out. In commander you always have access to Feather, so Arcanist gets much worse.
@ficxion73563 жыл бұрын
The new legend bell borca from commander legends is AMAZING in feather btw
@sheesh88313 жыл бұрын
Bruh
@swordoflorn3 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but Aurelia's Fury is incredible and has won me several games.
@jacobjensen77043 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you've had fun with it. Most people tend to agree that the card is too clunky.
@sonkal-elkent61433 жыл бұрын
To me, Aurelia's Fury is better off in Firesong and Sunspeaker than with Feather.
@zwc762 жыл бұрын
The way you use it is that you start by taking out 2 players with simple just attacking them with feather, the one player that remains, you only now need 4 mana to make them unable to cast any spells past upkeep.