He’s supposed to be shouting at this rate haha

proper distance in 2020. don't wanna catch the rona.

It was supposedly happened in a wood or forest whilst the King was hunting.

That's basically what he did

Alot of historians believe that Henry VIII looked alot more like his grandfather, Edward IV, than his father, Henry VII. Henry had almost the same height in his prime, he was a womanizer just like Edward, and was the next monarch to marry for love (Anne Boleyn) He even looked more like his mother's side of the family with his light hair and well built figure Henry VII was more lanky and shrewd lookin, often made fun of as looking like a banker rather than a king

***** They loved each other at first, but then Henry got tired of her and she was executed. Edward and Elizabeth had a relationship based on lust rather than actual true love. Just shortly after they met, they got married. Well Henry and Anne were together longer before their marriage, to actually fall in love.

HenryBethSecrets AtLea You've got your kings muddled bro.

You should be teaching high school English!!!

So true they look like they are 40 years old.

@@marianna7291 in those times, a 20 year old looked much older than they do now. A 40 year old was ancient in those days

I loved hollow crown but they really could have picked different actors for some of the characters. I think because Edward IV isn't necessarily the hero of Henry vi they didn't make him an attractive young guy, and it might have been weird if the lady grey was portrayed by a young girl when she was infact older than Edward in real life.

I thought this was a SNL skit !

Agree

i cant stop watching the scene. its so well done. and i dont understand people complaining about they actors.

To be fair they are basing this on Shakespeare so historical accuracy is already out of the window (No offence to the plays I love them but..)

@Greg Elchert I read somewhere that Mel Gibson as Hamlet was only two years younger than Glenn Close, who played his mother in the film. Age accuracy is never a priority in these things really. 😊

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We all understood the dialogue, making yet another synthesis redundant.

Shakespeare isn't accurate often. But also...the legend probably isn't accurate either lol

TheCuttlekid. You're right. Acting is lovely.

theCuttlekid why not a man? Or a cocker spaniel? It wasn't like her entire instance as queen was due to her great beauty or anything let's just put an old refrigerator in a conical hat and call it a day

theCuttlekid someone finally!!! Understands reality:))))

There is no historical evidence which supports this version, much less the aged actors. Elizabeth Woodville went on to give this king a boatload of children ! The actress is clearly past menopause. He was attracted to her for her beauty (in fact, she was called "the most beautiful woman in the kingdom"), and enslaved to her by her intelligence and wit.

The viewers give a shit?

Especially Clarence

Yes, both these actors were miscast if one was seeking some semblance of really

This is based on Shakespeare interpretation of the truth, of these people. This is not based on the real historical characters.

Exactly, this setting was throwing me off. But to be fair, from portraits of Edward, he does not look like he was very attractive. It's puzzling to me why he is described as being really handsome

@@kashiefbebeto1 Yeah, I am not sure either. Those portraits make him look plain but they were also made after his death.

​@@kashiefbebeto1 Cause beauty standards change. Elizabeth Woodville wouldn't be called a beatuy now with her plucked hair and eyebrows.

yes they did. Keeley is so pretty. love her

Keeley is beautiful and a fabulous actress. They made a good choice. Shakespeare isn’t meant to be accurate 👍

If English is in fact your first language, you should only need to hear the dialogue twice to really understand the structure of the sentences. The context in the description is the key to the cipher in most cases with any Shakespearean segment of language

tacos mexicanstyle Gehenna you have cliff notes, like in the description, it does make it easier to understand the flow of the scene, however, if you watch The Hollow Crown in it's entirety, you will not have guidance and be reliant on your own ability to understand. If that foundation is not their, then it is quite difficult. Shakespeare and old English are not commonly studied in school anymore and his plays have many modern interpretations, as such, the colourful and complicated prose are not appreciated nor understood by the younger generation. So, it is difficult for a few people. It does not make them stupid, it just means they do not have the tools necessary to understand the words.

This isn't even old English, Shakespeare took middle English (which is completely understandable for anyone who's ever picked up a KJV Bible) and turned it into his own dialect. You only need to be familiar with the usage and link the cryptic passages of words back to the context in the description. No, it doesn't make someone stupid if they can't do this, just not very analytical or widely read and perhaps out of practice--it is necessary to practice even your first language and actively seek to improve habits in order to maintain solid reading comprehension, as it is necessary to read a broad range of literature to understand allusions and idiomatic expressions like we see in Shakespeare.

tacos mexicanstyle Shakespeare is modern English, not old or middle. It can take some getting used to but it’s not that different . There is a book series called “no fear Shakespeare” which has one side original and one in a 21st century style of modern English. It can be helpful as you are learning to get the hang of it.

Yes it might technically be called "modern English" as Shakespeare wrote after the Great Vowel Shift, but it's still a stark contrast to what we speak now. He did write during the transition from middle to modern, but remember we still had to go through the 17th and 18th century vowel changes and the obsession with making English more romantic that came about in the 19th century. All of that separates our modern language to that of early "modern" English

Elizabeth was supposedly blonde.

@@ARiddle1986 some say blonde some say red. Either way, we know her grandson, Henry VIII had red hair as did his daughter, Elizabeth I

@chris andrewes he was said to be 6'1

@@ana-em7nz yeah if you add like 6 inches more 😂😂😂 he was 6’7

BigFire. George switched sides twice with Warwick and then was conspiring with the French. He was an idiot. He was convinced Edward would never punish him.

Emma Spicer shut it womean. never question the kings divine testosterous masculine rule.

Yes? Oh. Her name is Keeley too. I've always liked my name. Also, I like yours very much. Siobhan is beautiful.

Faith Elizabeth busted

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Yes. Elizabeth Wydville and King Edward IV met under an oak tree. She may have been wearing black as she was in mourning for her first husband. She must have been a beautiful woman for King Edward IV fell in love at first sight.

That's a legend. We don't know if they actually met under a tree. They most likely met at her home. She probably wouldn't be a beauty by 21st century standards and her and Edwards "love story" wasn't that perfect anyways.

While the beauty standards for Medieval England may be very different than today I still think she must have been stunning for Edward to do so much for her. She caused a lot of problems for him and he appears to never stand up to her and her brash behavior towards his extremely loyal friends and family. Princess Bona may have been ugly or not a suitable wife but I just think Elizabeth Woodville must have been beautiful and there was a strong attraction. She was the cause of such discord in her husband's family. She also had many proposals as a younger woman. She was asking Edward IV to help get her late husband's lands back for her son. Such disagreements happened from time to time but it usually happened when a widow of a lord should inherit her late husband's land because he died without any issue or at least a son to inherit. The late husband's family would feel she should not keep any type of inheritance and it should revert back to the next male just as a title would. The strange thing is that Elizabeth Woodville had a son with Sir John Grey of Groby. So why was her mother-in-law fighting with her. Why would she be unwilling to give her own grandson his inheritance. There must have been something going on there. Her first mother in law seems to have not been able to get along with her as well.

Kristin Harris​ Bona was probably pretty herself, but it wasn't about looks. It was about alliances and power. If anything, Edward was lusting after Elizabeth and it wasn't a true love match, but who really knows for sure.

Oh wow, let's give it for the discourse. Question tho: what do you mean by its not really being a love match? Aside from lust and such, was there ever a question of coercion?

I thought he was like around 6”2 ish thats why Henry the 8th got his hight from most likely as he I think was 6”4-“65 so legit talk plus yea Edward was fine as AF same with Elisabeth he really should be a babe and younger she I think was older.

Elizabeth Woodville's "price" was marriage, King Edward IV didn't have to agree with it and could have moved on to other women. Edward had plenty of mistresses before he married Elizabeth and even during their marriage. This would cause their children to be deposed from the succession by Parliament when Richard III claimed the throne, following Richard Stillington's testimony that Edward had already secretly married a widowed mistress (Eleanor Butler) before marrying Elizabeth and so the Edward-Elizabeth marriage was legally invalid.

One of Churchill and Lady Astor’s exchanges. The other; if you were my husband I would serve you poison. If I were your husband I’d drink it.

I knew i recognized him from somewhere!

The stereotype that everyone in the past was hideous is really annoying. There's no reason why she wouldn't be a beauty. It's possible for people to have clear skin and good quality hair. Bathing doesn't become as big of an issue once you stop doing it regularly for a while (this is not to get people to stop bathing, though, just saying that when no one ever bathes it isn't actually as disgusting as it may sound). And people (especially) nobles did try to take care of their teeth: they flossed regularly and many chewed mint to keep their breath fresh. Sure, she wouldn't be on the cover of a magazine today, but there's no reason why there can't be a few people graced with a natural beauty and vitality.

Alex. Have you seen her portrait? She was gorgeous--by today's standards! The actors are quite old for the roles. He was about 20? Shr was 26 which was getting on a bit.

She may not have had rotten teeth. The main cause of this is sugar which wasn't introduced until the time of Queen Elizabeth 1 about a century later. QE1 would have had rotten teeth.

I love the hollow crown, the lines and the actwork etc. But i got a little annoyed by a 40 year old redhead and a king edward also in his 40's.

I think she's lovely and I like how she acted her part.

...this IS literal dang Shakespeare!!

Yeah, but Shakespeare wrote this scene very differently. They've edited it to bits and stripped it of all the fun.

Or have they been continuing it or something?

+claire cabler War of the Roses is airing now. Henry VI and Richard III

+Josh Skinner thanks

No. It's nice. :)

No

I think that was Richard III's argument as to why Edward V was illegitimate and why he (Richard) should be King

No, there were already rumors about a precontract years before.

Wendy Hull. Richard never got it proved either way. Parliament just rubber stamped the degree. I don't see Edward being stupid enough not to get any entanglements annulled.

That's a shit argument that Richard III made up. Engagements were not marriages and were commonly called off. A royal could be engaged to multiple people before they are finally married off. Richard's arguement would make him illegitimate as his ancestors broke off engagements and promises to marry plenty of times. If he had actually wed Eleanor Butler, then yes his marriage would be invalid as it was bigimous, but that didn't happen. Rome also never stated the marriage was invalid, mainly just Richard III.

None at all

+SamOwenI null. Nada.

It's an amalgamation of several of Shakespeare's plays. He wrote 3 plays covering the reign of Henry VI.

This isn't a historical drama. It's a performance of Shakespeare's play. The Shakespearian speaking is accurate. They work VERY hard to have the actors get this right. Dame Judi mentions it in the DVD special features