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Review of two $100 class soldering stations.
Can the new Weller WE1010 beat the venerable Hakko FX888D?
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@divewizard 5 жыл бұрын

The temperature sensor for the weller is in the tip. The Hakko is in the heating element, that is why the Weller take longer to apparently heat up, and why it cools down faster on your sponge test.

@jamescaldwell2095 4 жыл бұрын

"I haven't used this in anger yet." 😂 that's what I need to know. How tools perform when you're ready to start throwing things.

@tingvictoriano6517 3 жыл бұрын

LOL

@mattde1976 3 жыл бұрын

@Travis Ireland LOL I have 888 for 2 years not single time need to throw it 😂😂😂😂😂

@bkboggy 6 жыл бұрын

I bought my FX888D about a year ago. I was feeling a bit torn about buying it, because it looked like a poorly designed toy. I almost went for a Weller station (I think that's also a decent choice based on recommendations). However, once I got the Hakko, I was blown away by its build quality and how well it works. Don't let its looks deter you from giving it a try. The aesthetic actually grew on me and I like how it looks now -- it has a certain character to it and it's an interesting talking point with anyone who's unfamiliar with Hakko. I'm a Software Engineer, so I don't mess with electronics often, but when I do, this thing does the job and does it well.

@supersabrosinho 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah that's the only thing that's keeping me from buying right. It looks like a toy that comes in happy meals 🤣😆

@els1f 4 жыл бұрын

@@supersabrosinho that is 100% what I'm going through rn😄

@supersabrosinho 4 жыл бұрын

@@els1f I went ahead and bought it. I've never worked with such an nice iron, well worth it!

@vejymonsta3006 3 жыл бұрын

Not bad. I know some software guys that use those wunhunglo 10 dollar irons on government equipment.

@michaeldean5787 3 жыл бұрын

Haha my thoughts exactly. You've convinced me and I'll get mine now

@tomvleeuwen 6 жыл бұрын

The Hakko clearly has an 80's alarm clock interface, as +louisrossman would call it :-)

@Josieemon 6 жыл бұрын

i dont have much of a problem with it as i dont need to change temperature that much, but i do agree that changing temperature is a huge pain.

@Newberntrains 6 жыл бұрын

For UI the Weller is easy but if u never change temps and use it for light use the Weller would work

@rasz 6 жыл бұрын

its programming VCR timer interface :/ + looks like HAKKO lies about temperature - doesnt show the drop for couple of seconds, like garbage chinese clones

@Maskddingo 6 жыл бұрын

Is it odd that I just want a knob to adjust temperature? It's almost immediate, and it's like having potentially infinite 'memories'. Repeatedly mashing buttons to get to a given temperature range doe not inspire me to want one of these things. I change temperature enough when I'm working that this is a major consideration for me. I get that there are 'memories' with the digital buttons, but I can't see how those would be easy to access, or remember what temp is in what location. All this is solved by a knob or two.

@WCM1945 4 жыл бұрын

@@KevinJDildonik It's odd that the Weller shows places for presets. That's probably gonna be a "-P" model coming out later for another $50.

@sdiubw8943f 6 жыл бұрын

"All the best stuff's made in Japan" -Marty McFly, 1955 (Back to the Future III) Love the reference Dave!

@Penisdoll 3 жыл бұрын

It was excellent

@arongooch 6 жыл бұрын

Been a subscriber since the early days of around video 30 or so and have to say your channel is awesome Dave. Couldn't imagine a week go by without a good EEVBlog video. Keep up the great work. Cheers.

@zanthiel2009 Жыл бұрын

At my company, everyone was using the Weller we1010. I found a Hakko Fx888 in a closet . I set it up and love it!

@Buddy-po4hv 3 жыл бұрын

I have a Weller station that was made in W.Germany, 40 years and still working like day one 👍

@kungfumaster8171 6 жыл бұрын

Been using Hakko since I've seen your first video review on them 5 years ago. Been happy ever since

@stefanwilkens 4 жыл бұрын

Recently picked up a WE1010 in Europe and I re-did the temperature check with a calibrated extremal recorder. I found that the Weller does get very close to the set temperature (certainly within the +/-6 deg they advertise). I could not replicate the 20 degree offset you saw. I used 60/40 to ensure good thermal coupling to the thermocouple used for measuring. You can certainly see it undulate around the set point by about 5 degrees and it tends to be on the low side of the set point - but it's fairly good for me.

@MakerofThingss 6 жыл бұрын

Yay! Thanks, Dave! Been wanting to upgrade my soldering station for a while and was waiting for exactly this video! Thanks as always!

@sam-douglas 5 жыл бұрын

exactly the comparison i was looking for. thanks!

@darikdatta 6 жыл бұрын

I think the Weller simply senses temperature a lot closer to the tip.

@robertosladic3430 3 жыл бұрын

Yea i think weller actually senses temp of the tip while hakko senses temp of a heater. Cuz the heater doesnt actually cool down but the tip does.

@kmorger 6 жыл бұрын

I was a huge Weller fan, until I tried my first Hakko. We have Metcals at work, so I'm well aware of Hakko's limitations, but for an affordable iron, Hakko's rock. That said, the UI is irritating, and I'd have gladly paid a bit more for a workable UI.

@BryanTorok Жыл бұрын

That is what is swaying me toward the Weller. Would it really have cost Hakko anything meaningful to put another button on it?

@ianide2480 6 жыл бұрын

I'm still rockin a Weller EC1002 with a 40w iron. Works really well for all my hobby needs (plus it was given to me, free iz good). Tips are cheap enough as well (same as the ones you are showing here). I've thought about upgrading several times over the past few years, but this thing keeps working so I'll keep using it.

@rdbanks2823 6 жыл бұрын

I’ve had my 888D since it was first released over in the U.K. and I love it, replaced an old weller that was passed down. A lot of people complain about the temp control (but I really don’t mind it, easy enough plus with presets it’s simple. The only bugs are the power switch, the forever shrinking sponge, seriously mine is the size of a 2 pence piece :/ ha and perhaps the lack of ‘stackability’ (but I can live with that for such a beauty of a design)! I am glad someone else has commented on the DIN connector, it does flap around in the breeze! Haha! I’ve had a Weller in the past and used other higher end ones and they are pretty good for the price to be fair! Plus I kind of like that colour scheme... I don’t think you’d go wrong with either to be honest, both looks great! Longevity wise, perhaps I’d look at the Weller (only down to my last one being about 15 years old) however I’m yet to have any issues with the Hakko (a lot of complaints about them burning out but perhaps it’s standby heating, I’m pretty sympathetic when it comes to tooling). Loved the review Dave!

@thesimbon 6 жыл бұрын

I have the hakko and I like the compact size and the brass cleaning tip inside the holder saves also extra space. I personally hardly use the sponge as the tips gets cleaned really well with the brass. I agree that the analog version is more straightforward in changing the temperature with just a knob, but once you get the presets configured it is actually fast to change between them using just a button

@george8bitsworth 6 жыл бұрын

Boy you sure drew a lot of comments. My little contribution is that my first soldering iron was a 30 watt thing from Radio Shack. After seeing EEVBlog #180 I decided to get the Hakko FX888. To my (initial) dismay I couldn't find one because it had been replaced by the 888D. I didn't buy it immediately waiting for a sale, In July 2016 Fry's Electronics had a two day E-Mail sale, The FX888D was $64 (US) + $5.76 tax (it has been on sale again at least once since then). A couple of notes. Even though I live where solder is pronounced sodder I changed the temp readings from °F to °C. In electrical engineering all the measurements are metric so it seemed right to apply that to soldering temperature. By the way my iron came with the chisel tip. Maybe that is a regional thing. My evaluation based on this video and my experiences is that I would go with the Hakko over the Weller. From what you showed the performance of each is essentially the same. The main deciding factor for me is the Hakko stand--I like that it has some weight to it. Until I got my Hakko I was always burning myself. The stand that I had was so flimsy I generally didn't bother to use it and thus when I picked the iron up sometimes I'd grab the tip. The user interface looks much better on the Weller but the documentation is lacking. The two buttons on the Hakko seem almost inadequate but they obviously kept it simple to keep it in the $100 range--and if you RTFM you can still do anything you need with that interface.

@michaelp3076 6 жыл бұрын

I have a Weller WTCPS simple soldering station that I have had for almost 40 years. I have never had any trouble and the tips is cleaner and last longer then any of the newer Unger stations I have at work.

@pibbles-a-plenty1105 3 жыл бұрын

Right on!!! I have five WTCP's and they'll still be doing the job when I put the other foot in.

@xfloodcasual8124 2 жыл бұрын

If I could go back in time to buy American products, I would. Unfortunately, that era is long gone thanks to American laziness and greedy American CEOs. God Bless America.

@mirzasaj 3 жыл бұрын

Hakko using since 3 years works like a champ!! Enjoyed every soldering done with it paid off already!

@jonstenSE 6 жыл бұрын

I'll take my TS100 any day of the week! Integrated heater in the tip and heats up in seconds, sure it makes each tip very expensive ~$12, but they are high quality and dead easy to switch. Slim design, some may argue that this is a con, but I see it as a huge con as it sits very well in the hand and means it is portable (you can literally fit it among your pens in your bag!). It's powered from DC 10-24V, meaning that you can take you with you out in the field and power from a lipo, at home I use an old laptop charger. All of this for $50, I repeat $50! It doesn't come with any stand, but for the price one can by a decent stand separately. I would also recommend that you buy a good and flexible extension cable with 90 degree power jack (standard 5.5mm DC jack), the cable drapes much better and gives significant better experience!

@green_building 6 жыл бұрын

This is what i call Review.. this is very cool and comprehensive 👍 thanks a lot for doing thia man, i really appreciate it 🙏

@ntag411 2 жыл бұрын

My Weller WE 1010 recently bought, August 2021, made in Mexico earlier this year. I will add in some detail the case of the control unit is not made rugged. The tight fit of the front panel, bottom half and top half gives the unit a solid feel when assembled. Opening involves removal of two screws on the back near the AC power jack and this same area of the top cover must be pulled/pried away from the unit for the internal hooks to release. Top cover at the rear will only move upward because of tabs of the top cover have vertical posts/pins that interface the lower half case. Once the rear of the top cover is lifted the top cover will release from the bottom half. The two screws of above are self tapping type that go directly into the plastic case using no metal clip for the screws to thread into. Slightly beveling the two tabs at the lower front of the top half case, one on each side, will make assembly substantially easier.

@believethebible88 4 жыл бұрын

Hi David, because of this video, I just ordered the Hako FX888 through your affiliate link. I only ever used one of the straight-to-mains iron and can't wait to do some serious soldering. Thanks for the vids---keep it up.

@ianmacdonald6350 6 жыл бұрын

Used Weller irons throughout most of my career in electronics, and still rate them as the best. Some guys preferred Antex but I never liked them. The cheapest route to a decent soldering setup though, is a Yihua station with a Hakko tip. ;)

@TheDefpom 6 жыл бұрын

I think the hakko hides the temperature drop, as though it waits for a significant drop before updating the display.

@EEVblog 6 жыл бұрын

Seems like there is some delay

@Astaldoath 6 жыл бұрын

well if its a drop of 1-3 c i doubt you are gonna notice it in soldering maybe im wrong a drop of 1-2 c in cpu heat isnt that great either, when your cpu is hot u wanna keep it in the 30-50c range

@johnfrancisdoe1563 6 жыл бұрын

EEVblog Alternative theory: The Weller sensor is (thermally) closer to the tip, so if the tip drops to 200, the Weller shows it, while the Hakko won't show until the material in between has been cooled down. Similarly, the Hakko might show the core getting hot before the heat has propagated to the tip.

@Wilson84KS 6 жыл бұрын

John I think thats it, because there is space between the tip and heating element of the Hakko the heating element doesn't cool down that fast. Also Maybe the Weller transformer has less A, couldn't see it, so it needs longer to heat up and the Hakko can hold the temp better because maybe of one more amp. But there is a mod for that Hakko tips, wrapping some thin copper around the heating element.

@helgew9008 6 жыл бұрын

Definitely. It looks like the Weller has the heating element on the outside of the tip and the thermocouple inside the bore in the tip. The result is that the Weller will display a much more honest tip temperature. The Hakko must have both the heating element and the thermocouple inside the bore, which means it measures the temperature of the heating element, and not the actual tip. Due to the design difference, you cannot use the internal thermometers to do a comparison. They simply do not measure the same thing. The wet sponge against the shaft is completely pointless, which is also confirmed by the actual soldering test.

@lesdmess845 2 жыл бұрын

I spent two weeks in NASA standard soldering school back in the 70's and I think this is highly entertaining specially just for a soldering station comparison! In the end there are only two pertinent requirements - speed to temp and temperature stability, and both seem capable and comparable. I suppose that's where all the other frills for consideration for the money come into play that you covered very well.

@electron4784 3 жыл бұрын

Very informative just what I was looking for. This was a good matchup. Thanks again

@happyhippr 6 жыл бұрын

you really should do a thermal camera view for the heat dropping sponge test so we dont have to rely on the provided displays..

@scotshabalam2432 6 жыл бұрын

I love my Hakko 888D but I have to admit the Weller does feel better to work with having up and down buttons to change temp. Hakko has a rather nutty idea with how you set the temperature on the 888D

@skmetal7 6 жыл бұрын

We go through so many of those damn weller iron handles because the cord swivels around and eventually breaks the wires inside. I've been taking a large zip tie and tightening it around the flexible part of the strain relief. Holds the wire tight at least.

@DuncSargent 3 жыл бұрын

Still pertinent today. I'm getting the HAKKO. Thanks for being here for me!

@Audio_Simon 6 жыл бұрын

Would love to see review of Ersa Icon Pico or Nano. The thing that stops be buying Hakko or Weller is the chunky soldering iron itself. I want something more delicate and pen like. I have a range of Antex fixed temp irons.

@tookitogo 6 жыл бұрын

Simon Ashton The “i-tool” irons for the icon stations are great. I have the nano. Wonderfully short distance from grip to tip, and the heating performance wipes the floor with the irons in this video.

@mikeypotts4732 2 жыл бұрын

Just got the Hako, but if there was perfection this would be it. Literally everything about it down to the rubber used for cording is perfect. Hopefully it lasts for many years.

@billmoran3812 6 жыл бұрын

I'm very happy with my Hakko. I also have an old Weller analog that I use for heavy duty work like chassis grounds or ground planes.

@thsinger 6 жыл бұрын

I used a Weller TCP 24 for about 30 years it was never broken and still works fine. 3 Years ago I got an ERSA Pico for about 150€ and I like it very small and heat up very quickly but I don’t think it will hold as long as my Weller.

@gradeahonky 2 жыл бұрын

Well, I bought a hakku partially based on this video. I tripped over the cord and pulled it off my table and crashing into the ground. The this host was right - it's solid as hell and still works like a charm

@mikkosha 6 жыл бұрын

Had so many Weller soldering stations housing break and burn out that I'm inclined to try out a Hakko now :) It's a bit cheaper than the Weller around here :)

@johnstone7697 6 жыл бұрын

I actually ordered a WE1010 and returned it. Once I saw the familiar lousy spring stand, and the same plug on the pencil as my WES51, I realized I wasn't getting much more for my $120 for the 1010 vs the $75 I had spent on the 51, other than a digital readout . The WES51 performed well while it lasted, which wasn't very long. The pencil died after about 3 yrs of use, first with an intermittent plug, and then with a loose tip that couldn't be fully tightened down. The 1010 pencil doesn't look like it's very different, so I wouldn't expect much longer life. I work on a lot of point to point vintage electronics, so I tend to run my iron fairly hot. Still, no reason the pencil should fail so quickly. I just pulled out my old standby WTCP, which has to be at least 25 yrs. old. Legacy Weller stuff was pretty much bulletproof, but they seem to be riding on their reputation. After seeing this video, I'm leaning heavily towards the Hakko. Funky styling not withstanding, it just looks to be a sturdier unit. Really appreciate the info.

@jarrodroberson 6 жыл бұрын

FYI - The Hakko FX-888D can be had at Fry's for as little as $79 US on a regular basis. Promo code sales about every 3 months have it for $79 with a promo code you get for signing up for their email list. I got mine end of Nov one year for $69 US.

@ShallRemainUnknown 3 жыл бұрын

RIP Fry's...

@royh4305 4 жыл бұрын

Talk about thorough testing! :) It is a true pleasure to watch. Thank you. Btw, I am getting the Hakko.

@CaspaB 6 жыл бұрын

I don't believe the Hakko temperature got to 350 at 20 degrees / sec then stopped abruptly at 350! You need to measure the ACTUAL tip temperatures. This applies to the sponge cooling test also. I suspect the temperatures are measured at the heater and depending on the conductivity between heater and tip there could be quite an error. I've worked in temp measurement and control a lot of my working life and the response of the Hakko seems unrealistic. It gives naive users false confidence in the meter. The Weller is believable. btw: I published a resettable timer circuit in Silicon Chip Circuit Notebook (March 2016) to cut the power after 20 mins idle time.

@UpcycleElectronics 6 жыл бұрын

Charles Tivendale Yup I think Roger over on KainkaLabs did a great job on a video about the Atten Digital soldering iron temperature discrepancies. Although he was doing a video about fixing the problem and looking at how Atten's 2 wire elements sense temperature with a thermocouple in series with the element. The overshoot and calibration temp are usually way off, as are the maximum temperature. I don't trust any of the ones I've owned, but I've never owned or been enslaved by someone with a fat "pro's" wallet. I've never caught up to Mr Jones's and his '$500k pencil.'

@dusanmilojevic3017 6 жыл бұрын

A gay on one forum tested soldering stations tip temperature.He measured the tip temperature and absolute winner is old Weller magnastat.

@Stokosworld 6 жыл бұрын

The Hakko is a bullshit artist. Huge lag on the display vs actual tip temp and creative "Brakes" when it get to temp. the Hakko is a toy.

@karlraffelsieper1232 Жыл бұрын

Just getting into the more serious end of the electronic hobby. Really like your assessment. I've used lots of Welle products before, mostly low end. But have been happy. Now with more projects underway and just getting into antenna work with my SDR think I'll jump into the Hakko iron. Thanks for your evaluation. Really enjoyed! Cheers. PS that funny sponge feel to the Hakko, is supposed to be electrostatic in nature. Design over function has no weight for me... so think I'll go Hakko. Thanks for a great review.

@briancoverstone4042 3 жыл бұрын

The Hakko brass wire thingy is amazing. You don't even have to wipe the tip on it to clean it, just pop it straight in and back out, and it looks perfect. I've heard Hakko coats the brass with some kind of flux.

@TwistTapeTechnology 5 жыл бұрын

I heard you can get greater thermal output from the Weller, by running it off 240volts... ^_^

@sikkepossu 6 жыл бұрын

Where do you need adjustable temperature feature? I've been soldering about 30 years and never had an temp controlled soldering iron. Most of that time I've been using Weller WCTP-S iron with self made power supply for it. No problems what so ever. :)

@Dustysa4 2 жыл бұрын

I really appreciate the sarcasm laced comedy of your review.

@rodrigomaero 6 жыл бұрын

Like Louis says, having the heating element and sensor separate from the tip makes the control way less accurate, takes more time to respond to heat fluctuations. I've been working on iphone board repair for a year almost with a knockoff 888 iron, but tip technology is about on par with these two. Can't wait for my 951 to arrive

@bruhdabones 6 жыл бұрын

The Hakko fx888d can be bought in different configurations, especially on amazon. Mine included a chisel tip and the flush (90 degree) wire cutters. Don’t knock Hakko for your cone tip, knock your supplier!

@EEVblog 6 жыл бұрын

Fair call.

@bruhdabones 6 жыл бұрын

EEVblog Thanks for the reply! I’m a sophomore in High School (USA). I got the 888d as a Christmas present over a year ago! It’s wonderful :D

@FerdinandoLM 6 жыл бұрын

I suddenly need a youtube channel filled with soldering station sponges being filled with water.

@EEVblog 6 жыл бұрын

The Sponge Porn channel!

@darthvader8433 6 жыл бұрын

Careful. The #metoo people will find that offensive, probably.

@ZEROSTATIC72 6 жыл бұрын

LOL, thanks.

@NorthernKitty 3 жыл бұрын

@20:06 - "Terrible, Muriel".... LOL... I LOVE that movie!! I just love how you punctuate your points.

@driversteve9345 5 жыл бұрын

Amazon has this exact one on sale for $103.27! I've already got a 40w soldering station but thinking about getting a more powerful one because the 40w is just barely enough to melt the solder on thicker wires! :) This one I think will easily do the trick!

@electronicsNmore 6 жыл бұрын

Great review/comparison

@roseelectronics4582 3 жыл бұрын

What's your favourite soldering station?

@giorgiobiso 6 жыл бұрын

The man who designed the Hakko control panel probably still calls friends with rotary dial phone.

@stevenmiller279 7 ай бұрын

I bought one of these, it's my first soldering station. I absolutely love it.

@philiphoeffer7442 6 жыл бұрын

I'll keep my FX-951. Though I had a wesd Weller from the 70's until last year when I decided to try surface mounted stuff & decided to relegate the weller to backup duty.

@MatthewSuffidy 6 жыл бұрын

Hakko looks like an SGI workstation.

@VEC7ORlt 6 жыл бұрын

You make SGI look bad!

@csabasanta5696 5 жыл бұрын

Wow, great observation! Now I know why I like them so much. Just take a look at the O2s ...

@xfloodcasual8124 2 жыл бұрын

@@csabasanta5696 O2 was actually a giant soldering iron in disguise

@viperidaenz1 6 жыл бұрын

The hakko has the temperature sensor embedded in to the ceramic element, so it's measuring the element temperature not the tip. I don't know where the weller sensor is. Perhaps you should do you thermal test with your thermal camera? Element temperature is irrelevant.

@hrtlsbstrd 6 жыл бұрын

I wonder if the temperature sensor is closer to the tip in the weller - being closer to the tip would cause the readings to cool down 'further' and heat up 'slower', while maybe the actual temperatures between the Hakko and the Weller are the same. It would be great to get external readings on both for these tests

@DirtyRobot 6 жыл бұрын

I always remember starting at a cable infrastructure installer at a data center and seeing a stack of 8 burned out Weller's sitting in a dark corner. Asked the owner if I could have them. Took them home and got all of them running again. Made over $500 reselling them on ebay.

@Eyem1337 4 жыл бұрын

Watched the entire thing, just ordered the FX888D Good video.

@stclairstclair 4 жыл бұрын

Eyem1337, After I Bought mine, I then found videos- "real vs fake hakko 888d" I was so happy when I knew mine was genuine, so look for knock offs, and Spend the extra money when you buy the other size tips, Tests show non hakko tips gave poor performance, I'm an old mechanic and this thing changed my soldering life I LOVE it.

@captainscottlum2371 3 ай бұрын

@@stclairstclair ditto!

@stclairstclair 3 ай бұрын

@@captainscottlum2371 Soldering with this unit is like driving a formula 1 car next to Toyota's.

@TheDarkTiamat2011 5 жыл бұрын

23:15 that was an unfair race^^ the weller only took like one second more for the same thing, but you gave the hakko a head start...

@geoffreykeane4072 3 жыл бұрын

I know this is an old review, but I have had the WE1010 for a couple of years now and have some info. Some gripes. 1. The display is NOT backlit even though the online pictures from Weller show it to be; 2. How bloody hard would it have been to put a RED LED on the damn unit. I have left this iron on overnight or longer on multiple occasions. Unless you happen to glance at the correct angle onto the NON BACKLIT LCD display it is very very easy to forget that unit is on; 3. The soldering pencil is poorly made and is already loose where the metal iron tube meets the plastic handle. 4. I double sided taped the pencil holder onto the top of the unit to reduce its footprint. I previously had a Weller WTCP which lasted me 40 years! I can't see this one getting to 5 years.

@gradeahonky 2 жыл бұрын

This video is awesome and hilarious. I'm an American with possibly the most American accent that has ever existed and I vow to make the word "dickie" work in my tongue the way this guy does. Cheers!

@laptop006 6 жыл бұрын

We have one of the 888D's at work, if you simply use the presets at 50c increments that largely gets around the horrible UI. I'm happy with my original 888, much easier UI, and if I need to replace it I'll probably get one of the JBC irons, I've used them and they're great.

@EEVblog 6 жыл бұрын

Yep. I'd probably set 25C increments.

@Astaldoath 6 жыл бұрын

id prefer a non digital temp control and just a digital display for temp like the knobs, set it whatever display tells ur the real current temp thats all you need, next they will be wireless and connecting your soldering station to the internet

@danners4302 6 жыл бұрын

11:06 you'll thank me later

@alvawayfarer6096 3 жыл бұрын

@Joe Lachiana \[T]/

@dcarson 6 жыл бұрын

This is an awesome comparison! Thanks! Subscribed!

@EEVblog 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

@esdblog6100 6 жыл бұрын

I used hakko and WESD51 and my favorite is a cheap Chinese version of hakko: Pro'sKit SS-207. It's rated power is similar, but actual power was 140W. It also uses hakko 900 series tips. Overall build quality is very solid.

@jimix321 6 жыл бұрын

A few days ago a frien of mine had to do some soldering work and i let him use my 888d and my favourite tin and he asked me how much did i spend on it. I said 120$ and he said that it was to expensive. That same day he went to buy a cheapo soldering iron and generic tin because he thought it would be the same because tin is tin and heat is heat... Lather on that same day he was asking me for the link to the hakko. You know buy cheap buy twice XD

@GLITCH_-.- 6 жыл бұрын

Are you not able to return undamaged tech where you live? (except tin of course)

@jimix321 6 жыл бұрын

But soldering irons get dirty and oxidized as fast as you turn them on (and the cheaper ones even more) and for the 10$ he spent on the welder wasn't worth it to lose more time with it. Pd: I live within the european union so yes we are able to do it.

@GLITCH_-.- 6 жыл бұрын

Well, I'm in germany and I would still be able to give it back to a local store after 13 days of use, for no good reason or when it's broken. I may have to buy something else from them, but that's fine. I rather buy online though because there's an obvious reason here why everything is cheaper there, yet I'd still be able to get my money back for no reason, while they pay the shipping fee. I guess we're more altruistic than Americans, because I haven't heard of much people abusing that.

@daveblane6442 6 жыл бұрын

WELL said!

@GRBtutorials 6 жыл бұрын

Then you were lucky. Right now, the Hakko FX888D here in Spain is at 140 € ($165)! Really expensive in comparison with the US at less than 100 € ($120). Buying the US version and a transformer for 230V to 120V is cheaper than buying the European version! EDIT: Just found it for less than 120 € sold by Amazon itself! Good news for me!

@ZylonFPV 6 жыл бұрын

For those who dislike the blue/yellow colour of the Hakko, it’s available in silver! www.proto-pic.co.uk/user/products/hakko_fx888d_000__50459.jpg

@ottersdangerden 6 жыл бұрын

Futuristic tonka toy! LOL

@Maskddingo 6 жыл бұрын

Why do they insist on making these things look like cheap toys that are from the vision of the 'future' that Hollywood had in the 90's?

@Kameron-The-Crafter 3 жыл бұрын

@@Maskddingo because japenses like designs that are simple. Probaly what makes there stuff last so long.

@Maskddingo 3 жыл бұрын

@@Kameron-The-Crafter um no. You don't have to look like a toy to be simple. In fact, making it look like a toy makes it more complex and thus less reliable. Love classic Haako, but they have lost their way IMHO.

@GCraigmile 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bro’ I have been thinking about buy one BUT was not sure. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

@learningisglorious 5 жыл бұрын

Don't worry about Hakko connectors. I have 5 888D in my company, plug and un plug everyday for 2 years now. Still working great.

@manifestgtr 3 жыл бұрын

The Hakko is where it’s at. I’ve had an fx888d on my bench for several years now and the thing has been phenomenal. Granted, I do guitar/tube amp repair so my electronics work tends to be fixing cold and old joints, caps and pots...nothing too heavy duty. But it’s never let me down. As far as an entry level, professional iron goes, I wouldn’t recommend anything else. I’ll upgrade to a 951 eventually but there are various woodworking concerns to tend to in the meantime...

@BMRStudio 6 жыл бұрын

I’m the biggest Weller fan here :) I have all sorts of system from them. From more than 20 years, they never felt on Me. And no iron or soldering station repair ever! Not even a fuse!

@EEVblog 6 жыл бұрын

Space Jesus Dogstar - The Hakko 926 is famously reliable. My 30 year old still works fine with the original iron.

@justinnink2396 6 жыл бұрын

My Hakko took a few dives off my bench and it's working like a champ

@bruhdabones 6 жыл бұрын

Justin Nink The mark of a true engineer is a lack of coordination!

@kathyquinlan5922 6 жыл бұрын

I have a Hakko 926 that I won as a prize for work skills industrial electronics regional finals here in Perth (I represented Perth twice and received two 926's ;) The one I still have (my ex business partner has the other) has run like a champ for ~ 26 years, the only thing I have ever replaced are the tips :) Mine has had things hit it, been dropped off stages etc. I now own a 888D which is my go to Iron for general work BUT my 926 has a big chisel tip of the bigger ground plane joints :)

@BMRStudio 6 жыл бұрын

EEVblog let me see in 2027 :) both are good brand. But I prefer more the industrial looking ugly German Ursula :)

@MrThebigcheese123 2 жыл бұрын

You should review the Tenma 80w soldering station with Hakko tips. It's a beast, maintains 350c with ease while boiling the water into steam continuously. it is about £90 in the UK. I would rate it over both of these as a starter iron. :D

@MrTompkins 2 жыл бұрын

I'm going to buy the one "built like a brick dunny". Thanks for the review!

@JerryWalker001 6 жыл бұрын

You only need presets in the hakko because of the dreadful interface. The Hakko is really 'wider' than the weller because you need to leave space for access to the switch. The step change test was invalid because you started the hakko when you pressed the key but the weller did not start until you finished setting the temp. The weller shows actual tip temp but the hakko shows internal tip temp. An interesting video but the tests were a bit ambiguous.

@EEVblog 6 жыл бұрын

No, the Weller start going up the instant you press the button, it's only the display that lags.

@stephanesonneville 6 жыл бұрын

Who really want a big flashy yellow & blue toy on his bench where just changing the temperature seems as easy as programing a recording on a 80's VCR ?

@timhip1705 5 жыл бұрын

Damn, thought there was a scratch in my display...

@kraabell 6 жыл бұрын

Great review! Thanks! From Bakersfield, California

@RaisingAwesome 6 жыл бұрын

Could it be that the Weller tip sensor is closer to the surface/ambient and in turn the temp reading responds more quickly? This could be a engineering trick on the Hakko and compensated in the temperature controls. A true test would be to somehow measure the temperature of the "work" versus using their readout.

@Arnthorg 6 жыл бұрын

how much do the handles heat up? The handles of the ridiculously expensive weller irons at my previous work literally got burning hot very quickly.

@8bitjunkie8 6 жыл бұрын

Arnþór Gíslason my hakko doesn’t get hot at all

@EEVblog 6 жыл бұрын

Not a problem with these.

@mildyproductive9726 6 жыл бұрын

Leaded, here. I use my 888 at 315 to 335C. To summarize: I can't tell the iron is on/off by the temp of the handle. I can and do use the iron for many hours at a time, and it does not change. My method is to turn it on when I first need it for the day, and it is pretty much left on until I am done for the day other than for tip changes. It is many times that I have picked it up and tried to solder, and after a few seconds of pressing and wondering what gives, I finally realize I haven't turned it on, yet. The thing that finally registers for me is the lack of flux smoke. There's no perception of handle temperature. Chinese 936/888 knockoffs? Hooyah, many of them get hot right quick at the same set temps. I purchased one, recently, and the handle gets hot within 1 minute of turning it on; uncomfortably hot within 5 minutes. One of the clone handles now comes with a feature that automatically throttles down the temperature when the handle heats up to avoid damage. So instead of offering a more expensive handle with better construction and materials, they can continue to sell bottom dollar junk by cheaping out and imposing a duty cycle on the handpiece. 20 minutes of work, manually turn it off and let it have 40 min to cool down. Or simply leave it on and let it reach half your set temp forever after. There IS technology in these "old-fashioned" stations. There's nothing special in the electronics. There are no fancy software algorithms. The technology and experience is in the materials science and engineering and manufacturing methods in the handpiece and heater. I suppose regulations against asbestos are pretty effective, else cheap clones would just load their handpiece plastic with it and be able to compete with the real thing.

@mildyproductive9726 6 жыл бұрын

@Ampor Gislason: update: having just experienced this issue, I have to append my previous statement. It depends on what you are soldering! If your duty cycle is very high and your joints are sinking a lot of heat, the 888 handle can get uncomfortably hot. If you are doing continuous production work with large joints, the 888 is not the best at this, regarding handle temp!

@Arnthorg 6 жыл бұрын

very interesting, thank you

@peterwoo2489 6 жыл бұрын

You should revoew the TS100 soldering iron!

@Ender_Wiggin 6 жыл бұрын

agree my fave

@eone199 3 жыл бұрын

TS100 is for kids, not pros

@thedwighty 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

@bigliftm 5 жыл бұрын

thanks for the leads cable test

@krishna34674 6 жыл бұрын

Review a Metcal iron !!!

@zxclaire 2 жыл бұрын

I love my Hakko FX88D, been using it for a couple of years. Absolutely solid build and looks good on my bench too. Interface is fine for my needs. No regrets in getting it whatsoever.

@philipp594 2 жыл бұрын

I really like the weller spring thingie. It holds the iron well and there is no way to burn yourself.

@SkyfallLodge 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dave, I learned a lot from this video.

@mikedrz 6 жыл бұрын

When you reset the Hakko U is for USA in degrees F. A is for Asia, and would give you degrees C

@EEVblog 6 жыл бұрын

Ah, makes sense, thanks.

@mikedrz 6 жыл бұрын

No Problem, I think we found the same online source where the guy says "u is to reset". I had to do some further digging. lol

@robertheal5137 6 жыл бұрын

I don't know any kind of Asian who would think that makes sense.

@mikedrz 6 жыл бұрын

Robert Heal One is for the Asian Market and the other is for the US market. The rest of the world is of no consequence.

@andydunnock8114 6 жыл бұрын

Robert Heal - Lol, you're right, it doesn't. I like to see it as U for USA, and A for All Other Countries.

@natecontarino1748 6 жыл бұрын

I can play with the knob on my WES51 all day.

@fartrellcluggins930 4 жыл бұрын

They stopped selling em it looks like! I want that iron!

@DennisMurphey 4 жыл бұрын

Well done, my 1977 weller just died on me. I need a replacement. My old one is simple 60W brick, but I like it and can get tips. After seeing these demos here, I think I will break open the old one and try to repair it. $100 for that package and performance and features just isn't worth it to me. Your review was quite thorough and practical. Well done. D

@j.t.johnston3048 6 жыл бұрын

I'm actually happy with my old, Weller WCC-100. Knob temp adjust on the front and an integrated stand. I'd buy something better if I did a lot of soldering, but it does fine for my little bit of hobby work.

@spyroskokorinos 6 жыл бұрын

what about the Ersa i-Con Pico though?? it's just as cheap and seems to be a bit more powerful and from a really high end brand...

@felixstoger2800 6 жыл бұрын

napalmspyros Same, I'd also be curious!

@EEVblog 6 жыл бұрын

Yep, been meaning to get one. It was supposed to be part of this shootout but I was lazy.

@tookitogo 6 жыл бұрын

EEVblog Get the iCON nano instead. It’s just a few euros more, but is ESD safe, and made in Germany, not China.

@ecsciguy79 6 жыл бұрын

12:52 - Ohhhh, look at that sponge! Well, that seals the deal. Weller it is!

@EEVblog 6 жыл бұрын

You'd better go take a cold shower

@finallyjoined 6 жыл бұрын

I bought an FX888D a couple of months ago, at Microcenter. It was priced at $99 on the shelf, but it rang up for $68. I asked if that was correct, and they told me yes. If you're looking to buy and FX888D, and you happen to live near a Microcenter, you really ought to check it out. I can't imagine that you will get a better soldering station for $68.

@SeanBZA 6 жыл бұрын

Hakko also has that software that hides the actual tip temperature till it is far enough away from the set point, then follows the actual temp, but in the interim it simply displays set point only. Weller does follow actual temp in real time. Weller will benefit with some Copaslip on the tip to improve thermal transfer, plus the tips will not seize with long term use.

@EEVblog 6 жыл бұрын

The Weller actually seems to do the same thing.

@GeorgeGraves 6 жыл бұрын

42 mins???? Some of us have a live DAVE! Edit this down ;) The hakko (to my eye) seems fakes it's temps. The weller looks awesome, but I hate the connector they use. My wesd51 has a poor connector, and sometimes read 900 F, even though it's dead cold. Unplug, and re-plug in fixes it, but still.

@andrewkowalczyk1156 6 жыл бұрын

You'd have a hard time convincing me to trade in my Metcal for either of these, even though I got it for roughly the same price by parting it together on ebay

@BobaFettBountyHunter 2 жыл бұрын

Which Metcal do you have that I can buy retail for $100? I would like to get one.

@boilerbots 6 жыл бұрын

The Hakko decimal point shows the duty cycle, as the temp dropped during the sponge test it went to 100% duty. I have several Wellers and the DIN connectors have intermittent connection issues and it can go open circuit. I have never had a problem with the Hakko brand and have a dozen at work but we used the next step up that has the thin pencil type handles and the tips you can just pull out, never like those threaded holders.