The last part. So sweet. Seriously.

I broke a lot of my father's tools also. Just one of many of the reasons that I never had kids of my own. And yes, he loved his Simpson 260s, used one at his job (R&M electrician) almost until the day he retired.

becuase in some cases to left a victim alive is a greater punishment

i was like that w my granddad good times. But i usually fixed things. I miss him too man.

He is in our heart.

The exact reason I have one. It is much easier to peak something when you watch a needle peak and not numbers counting. A digital one that shows you some sort of graph will work but a simple analog multimeter is much easier. Same with RF power. Use whatever meter you want but at the end of the day an analog Bird 43 meter is the standard and what you will be judged with.

Don't basically all DMMs have a max function?

@@flybackrs but they don’t measure RF voltages worth a darn!

Thats what the bar graph’s for fam

@@flybackrs Yes they do and some better bench DMM even better functions for doing RF stages, but I don't thing most people know.

I live in Houston Texas, so that's never been a problem for me!

I disagree with you

I love analog stuff and collect them. But oh god people come up with all sorts of excuse to say analogs meters are still relevant.

I also have to use it to catch quick high voltage pulses when working on an HDSL circuit because the DMM doesn't seem to update quick enough to see them most of the time. Seeing the needle jump to 180VDC is much easier. Accuracy is not part of the equation, visualization is.

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@@suzukiman650 The peak min max function on a DMM would capture that transient.

exactly

do you think to make an informative video?

Me too. Some people think it's good for coupling to a scope, but scopes have AC coupling anyway so it's kinda moot.

I thought I was the only one.

It's called OUTPUT because you can connect it to the anode of an audio valve and measure the output audio signal.

I wonder what is that reset button for!? Schematic didn't show it...

@@gianlucalocri You clearly didn't pay attention

or if your batteries are always flat lol

But, he is right.

The instructor is right.. still using analog for troubleshooting electronics

Same here

Exactly

I disagree. Analog are much better at seeing trends. Plus they don’t need batteries for amps and voltage.

@@ronvaliant9337 i bet my pc notifying me when some value changes is superior over checking a multimeter every 5 secs...

@@jonny393 LOL Yeah and it's real convenient to carry a pc with you everywhere you want to make a measurement like on a boat or an rv.

@@ronvaliant9337 then i would maybe just take an oscilloscope with me instead of an oscilloscope sized Analog Multimeter

@@jonny393 Then you also have to plug it in so don't forget a generator. lol

It's not because it's better, it's just not cost effective, practical to change the procedures and equipment out and have to retrain and document. You can still buy some really old meters new and their whole market is because procedures and procurement are too hard to change. The above could be a life or death situation, changing everything is risky unless they get something out of it.

Maplin was a shadow of its former self. I still have a section of the catalog I tore out which showed the pinouts for all the ICs they sold. Why do all technical stores end up going that way?

Is just a meter of interpretation

@Bilde Rothchild he didnt have a pulse meter but had an analog meter on hand

I can find that problem with a DMM as well. I always do it.

Exactly the same reason why many cockpit instruments, pressure indicators, etc. use an analog style display. I say analog style, because the displays are purely digital. A lot of the "analog multimeters are better because..." reasons - other than the ones about very niche applications (GHz AC?) for which I'm sure there are niche DMMs available - are similarly not actually about how the multimeter fundamentally functions, but about how the information gets displayed. Swap out the fixed-segment LCDs for a matrix one (given prices, just go full graphical TFT LCD) and now you can display accurate values as well as graphical presentations however you design it - from a classic analog meter look through to a basic and dirty 'oscilloscope' view.

If you try to measure 10V and the meter rapidly jumps between 9.xx and 10.00 V, makes it look like you have almost 20 V if you don't think hard enough. What could be better than if your altitude appears to be twice as high as it really is? (:

True you need to interpret digits, but reading analog you just look. My Fluke has a bar graph at bottom of the display and is very handy sometimes. Look at aircraft instruments important (spatial) ones are always analog. Who wants a digital clock? not me.

I remember an upright video game, 3 other techs in shop thought roms were bad. 2nd player score was between 1st player and centered high score. Digital meters showed a bang on 12v supply. My analog swung from 12 down to 8v. Confused, i used a scope and saw the short dip to 8v. One leg of brute force power supply filter cap had broken. Currently i see a fluke meter blackout a 4 micro amp signal, and a couple of other digital meters require a little swag to filter out the effects of non 60 hertz signals. But ohms, i still prefer digital.

I get this, so true! The better DMM for automotive use have those functions built into them though, so you can hear or see lights for + or - 12 volts and much more.

I assumed they were all DC coupled and without the cap, there is no way to strip the DC from a biased signal.

I agree, even with a Fluke and the graphing indicator it still isn't as easy to do RF alignments, as it is with a VTVM. RF alignments is the only use now days I have for my VTVM.

And it probably has a true jeweled d'arsonval movement. I once had some heathkit and rca vtvm's...a "voltohmyst" i think i remember as well.

Exactly, perfect for e.g. showing that a bunch of temperatures in your process are close to perfect (needle vertical), a bit below/above, a lot below/above, ... All by having even only a swift glance at the panel. Even led vu-meters aren't as good for that. Of course, these aren't multimeters anymore.

That exactly the point ... most of the time precision does not matter but have ability to "see" what is going on is priceless ... Also people more easily remember angle of needle of "safe value" than read value and think if it is OK or not ...

Chris Hoppe Yes. It is called a differential voltmeter. There are a couple videos on KZfaq demonstrating its use if you search that term. A very sensitive voltmeter (called a null detector) was used to compare the input voltage to a divided-down voltage reference, usually with a 4-6 digit Kelvin-Varley divider. Once you set the divider so that the meter reads zero, you directly read the voltage off of the dials. Tedious, but could offer theoretically infinite input impedance in some ranges because there is no voltage across the meter once it is nulled out. They have only relatively recently been replaced by 8.5 digit multimeters in NIST-type metrology applications. You can still make a measurement this way with a modern voltage reference, KVD, and null detector, but the combined cost might exceed that of a new car.

I've seen them, but can't recall offhand.

They now have pretty decent handheld oscilloscopes.

You keep saying analog multimeter, but arent these really VOM (Volt/Ohm Meter?) I thought we only started calling them mulitmeters when they went digital, because they do many functions besides just volt/ohm.

Analog meters are only "RMS" when it's a sine wave you are measuring. Other waveforms will not be True RMS.

There is a big difference between "True RMS" and "Averaging responding with an RMS multiplier fudge factor". Analog meters are the latter.

EEVblog Yes. To put it in plain language, analog meter can only measure AVERAGE value. Then suppose it is sine wave, convert to Root Mean Square value. If the ac is not sine wave, the reading is all over the places, has practically no meaning.

Gladius Illuminatus Analog meter measures average value. Not TRMS value. For DC, average value is right. For ac, only sine wave get the right reading.

In fact, there is a special type of analog intrument that is able to measure true RMS voltages and currents: moving iron instruments.

Yeah, an analog meter doesnt even need any batteries to measure voltage/current.

@@dickcheney6 Reason, why I still have one around.

I tend to agree that the old technology and ways should not be completely discarded and forgotten just because they have been displaced. At a minimum it would be useful if they were still documented, new better might come from these older things. On a side note, I did petition the FCC to keep the Morse code requirement in the highest amateur radio license, but the Morse code requirement has been removed. I guess it is OK, there is still Morse on the air, but, as Dave might say, I wonder if it is only gray hairs using it.

I never said forget them. I said there are still niche uses for them, and that's why you can still buy them.

EEVblog oh I didn't mean you said to forget them. Generally people don't really know now.

Low power ohms. It provides resistance measurement on diodes, ic's and transistors without damaging them or creating a loading effect that would alter the resistance reading by providing a lower voltage and current level output from the meter's circuitry. Resistance measurements rely on the meter's internal battery to supply voltage and current through a component to calculate its resistance. That battery voltage and current can damage some components or affect the reading during testing and that's the purpose of having a low power ohms range(s).

Thank you for the explanation.

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analog meters keep your brain alive...you need to know what you´re doing....:)

Chris Fairhall Yes, all measurements are routed thru the fet's.

You have much to learn grasshopper.

How do you think they got to make your 6 1/2 digit Keysight... using the crap analog meters.

TBF, damn near any meter is crap compared to that (expensive, but got what you paid for) meter.

Follow the eevblog forum thread.

This one? www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/eevblog-121gw-discussion-thread/msg1395267/

You can't.