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EEVblog 1414 - MicSig DP10007 High Voltage Probe - Turning it up to 11

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2 жыл бұрын

Can Dave destroy the Micsig DP10007 high voltage differential probe by turning the voltage up to 1100V RMS?
Plus a teardown of course.
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@SeanBZA
@SeanBZA 2 жыл бұрын
Probably the CMRR upgrade will be a tweak to the resistor values in the instrument amplifier, probably with either a select on test bodge resistor put in, or with a tiny pot stuck in the middle there to do the adjustment for the resistors being not ideal. Yes it looks nice, and of course the little microcontroller there, though I would say it also has a built in ADC that is being used to sample a rectified sample off the output, to flip the power and range LED to flash when approaching overload, and nice there is still headroom when it starts to flash clipping, so your measuring will still be accurate just before. If you selected 1199.9 you would have a higher output off the amplifier......
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, likely just tighening up the resistor balance. Could even be done as a BOM tweak only if lucky enough.
@SeanBZA
@SeanBZA 2 жыл бұрын
@@EEVblog They would have to change the reel of those "1%" resistors found at the market, made from recycled ewaste. They might have to spring for genuine Vishay parts in the input side, both resistors and capacitors. Wonder how good the CMRR is at 70Mhz.
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 2 жыл бұрын
@@SeanBZA These kind of probes are pretty how'ya'doing once you start hitting 70MHz, let alone the 100MHz rating. Gotta hold your tongue at the right angle on a full moon.
@pelor92
@pelor92 2 жыл бұрын
@@SeanBZA It will be terrible, but that is not micsig fault, all HV probes I know off and have used be them low or high end have the CMRR fall off a cliff with respect to DC well below the rated frequency, it is for that reason that optically isolated probes are almost required to work with WBG devices where CMRR really matters (you can actually do without, however you must take into account that you will be unable to see or measure the switching dynamics)
@davidwhite2011
@davidwhite2011 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Dave how about a tear down and analysis of the Gigabyte power supplies that are blowing up?
@darer13
@darer13 2 жыл бұрын
i think it would need to be a mailbag item.
@martijnholland1714
@martijnholland1714 2 жыл бұрын
I also would like to see Dave help out GN.
@samfedorka5629
@samfedorka5629 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite part about them is that a different part fails every time.
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 2 жыл бұрын
I have no idea what this is about.
@tboy32
@tboy32 2 жыл бұрын
@@EEVblog GP-P750GM and GP-P850GM desktop power supplies. Gamer's Nexus and others suspect a bad mosfet gate driver design.
@A2an
@A2an 2 жыл бұрын
Hi David Just received my 2 differential probe and current sensor. That was really fast shipping, ordered it 19-08-2021 received it 24-08-2021 Grate work, looking forward to trying it out 😎
@TheDigitalAura
@TheDigitalAura 2 жыл бұрын
Nice to see you testing Micsig gear.
@lelabodemichel5162
@lelabodemichel5162 2 жыл бұрын
There is a frequency compensation made by R121 and R122 and two capacitors made by the pcb itself and small square copper pads. These RC networks are in parallel with R16 or R75. They are not used because these resistors are not fitted but it is a nice design.
@abitofabitofabit4404
@abitofabitofabit4404 2 жыл бұрын
Episode 1414 incidentally featured phenomena related to the square root of 2. Well played.
@bjarkeistruppedersen8213
@bjarkeistruppedersen8213 2 жыл бұрын
Dave, you missed the perfect opportunity to include the "These go to eleven" scene from Spinal Tap 😉
@IvoTrausch
@IvoTrausch 2 жыл бұрын
Probably would have gotten demonetised
@EngineersFear
@EngineersFear 2 жыл бұрын
@@IvoTrausch and it was in the last video about the laser
@bobert4522
@bobert4522 2 жыл бұрын
Probably didn’t want to repeat it so quickly and seem stale
@bjarkeistruppedersen8213
@bjarkeistruppedersen8213 2 жыл бұрын
@@EngineersFear I've missed that, got to rewatch it 🙂
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 2 жыл бұрын
Did that in the previous video.
@splodman
@splodman 2 жыл бұрын
I have a couple of the Micsig 5kV probes and they have been very good, felt it was a bit of a punt at the time as they were a lot cheaper than others but they have lasted through a few over voltage events and I like the probes.
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 2 жыл бұрын
They's have a very different front end string spacing and count to this model I'm sure.
@captainjinx42
@captainjinx42 Ай бұрын
Glad to see it works well… I wanted to use it for frequency drive output examples so the cmrr and frequency capabilities aren’t that important to me. I bought the 1300 volt version. Great video!
@SirBunghole
@SirBunghole 2 жыл бұрын
I will always be a fan of Mr Wu's probe.
@antoineroquentin2297
@antoineroquentin2297 2 жыл бұрын
of course it turns off at 420
@WacKEDmaN
@WacKEDmaN 2 жыл бұрын
"It’s Such A Fine Line Between Stupid, And Uh… Clever"
@PurityVendetta
@PurityVendetta 2 жыл бұрын
You little beauty Dave... I think my Oz speak is good. I've been looking at the Dp0007 as it's about what I can afford. Great review but I might just hang on now and see if they fix the common mode rejection issue before I put my cash where my mouth is. Thanks again 👍 Oh, ps, I'd have bought your Sapphire probe but I'm guessing the p&p would be a bit of a problem as I'm in the UK 😔
@hultaelit
@hultaelit 2 жыл бұрын
Now that Photonicinduction is back doing videos, maybe he could help with finding just how many kV it would take to kill it? He's a top bloke, one of those who would take you home from the pub to melt a knife in his attic. Really into engineering, destructive testing more specifically.
@Nik930714
@Nik930714 2 жыл бұрын
That is very odd. The inside of their other problems reviews a very different differential amp ICs. I was expecting them to re-use that design and just change the divider.
@erikdenhouter
@erikdenhouter 2 жыл бұрын
At 12:10 the centre wire of the scope connection shows it is not up to a lot of vibrations or it will break.
@uran23599
@uran23599 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Dave, is there anything new about the µSupply yet? I can hardly wait (TEA:-). The last video (#1282 - Design Your Own Membrane Keypad!) is already over a year old and it looked quite finished.
@ovalwingnut
@ovalwingnut 2 жыл бұрын
GooD SHoW. VERY partial to Sapphire/EVB... but I do like to see the utters in action periodically.
@mmaranta785
@mmaranta785 2 жыл бұрын
I have that same probe but the case is yellow and it’s a different brand. It’s not really isolated, I think they use 1mohm or 10mohm resistors or something. 4 AA cells.
@bobert4522
@bobert4522 2 жыл бұрын
How does the DP-20003 compare with the HVP-70 in terms of performance? Seems that’s the one to get with the highest voltage range and would be cheaper than the saphire still.
@EKUL34
@EKUL34 2 жыл бұрын
Please do a video on the gigabyte PSU blowing up, you can find information about it from gamers nexus
@TheDefpom
@TheDefpom 2 жыл бұрын
It wouldn’t cost that much to modify the injection mould to have different input connections, it’s a pretty simple change in that case, a bit of laser welding on one half to fill the existing half shell hole and a couple of round inserts in the other half with a sliding block to pull them out before ejection … my guess would be about $5K to do, along with a minor PCB change to fit 4mm jacks.
@Turbochargedtwelve
@Turbochargedtwelve 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t be so sure about putting a slide into a mold not designed for one. I’m not sure it would be necessary though. You could just use jacks with the shroud molded in already that just slide in the case. It’s all going to add cost though
@TheDefpom
@TheDefpom 2 жыл бұрын
@@Turbochargedtwelve The case will need to have holes added (instead of just the half holes it has now which are located on the part line of the mould and so do not require any moving cores to form them), so making complete holes on the side face requires a pair of removable cores to be added, the easiest way of doing that is a small sliding block which has the cores mounted on it, they wouldn't even require water cooling so the size of the block wouldn't end up being very big.
@ignispurgatorius5297
@ignispurgatorius5297 Жыл бұрын
Still alot of people complaining about the 2 test leads. My guess is that they (at least partially) avoid the shrouded 4 mm banana sockets for safety/compliane reasons. It would essentially just lead to tempting people to plug in their unshrouded banana jacks and asortment of clamps that could easily slip off during probing exposing 700+ volt contacts. By having the leads already attached they kind of prevent that (unless someone goes out of their way to do dumb things). Having 2 leads and HV probes is also probably easier to get through the various CAT specifications than trying to create a "proper" probe that qualifies for 1000V. The Ground will always be akward to use in such cases, so going with 2 probes and the diff. amp. is probably the most practical way here. I know there are some expensive manufacturers that do it nontheless, but I kinda question the use of it. Since these definitely appeal to hobbyists as well, I think this is a rather sensible choice, since their main purpose is probing safely anyway.
@joopterwijn
@joopterwijn 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like the leads are suitable for a bnc replacement!
@tmmtmm
@tmmtmm 2 жыл бұрын
What I want to see is the DP20003 tested. It says it can do +/-5600V on a 2000x divider (output voltage +/-3V), but the common mode is specced at CAT III 1000V - how does that work? Even on a differential sine wave that would require 2kVrms on each input. Unless the limitation is simply thermal and it can measure 5.6kV pulses that are
@stevenspmd
@stevenspmd 2 жыл бұрын
I picked one of these up a while back (had some amazon gift credit) but I haven't used it yet ; to much of a noob for that high voltage stuff.
@thomasunsworth425
@thomasunsworth425 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Dave .... did you re-solder the red lead part way through the talk, just after 14:14 in as it did look a bit how youdoin prior to that.
@ferrumignis
@ferrumignis 2 жыл бұрын
Put the scope in fft mode...should be pretty obvious when it starts clipping.
@MateuszJagocha
@MateuszJagocha 2 жыл бұрын
Give this probe to Photonicinduction guy :D
@digitalradiohacker
@digitalradiohacker 2 жыл бұрын
"We're going to put this on the big boys supply, and we're going to turn it up. RIGHT up. Until it pops. And there WILL be flames" IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII AINT AVIN IT!
@HappyLittleDiodes
@HappyLittleDiodes 2 жыл бұрын
Those electrons are a nightmare to pick up if they fall out
@kstxevolution9642
@kstxevolution9642 2 жыл бұрын
fundamentals Friday on CMRR when
@krz8888888
@krz8888888 2 жыл бұрын
Is test equipment anonymous lead by Mr Carlson ?
@vwegert
@vwegert 2 жыл бұрын
Just wondering... Wouldn't it be possible to determine the clipping point by using the spectrum analyzer of your scope and looking for the point where the higher-frequency "noise" starts to creep in? Might be more sensitive than eyeballing the peak flattening of a sine wave, but I just don't know...
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 2 жыл бұрын
The Mk1 eyeball is good enough for Australia.
@RottnRobbie
@RottnRobbie 2 жыл бұрын
I guess I own this as a "it's my problem" thing, but I had to rewind through 6:30 three times before I figured out that "full-ya" (as in 'test it to full-ya') was Strine for "Failure"... !
@Pfooh
@Pfooh 2 жыл бұрын
At 9:12 you can see that it actually clips at 7V RMS.
@varunsingh.varunsingh
@varunsingh.varunsingh 2 жыл бұрын
wow... that's cool...
@IreneEAslin.QuantumExploration
@IreneEAslin.QuantumExploration 2 жыл бұрын
I like your video
@mmaranta785
@mmaranta785 2 жыл бұрын
Do you like that Keysight scope?
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's excellent. It's my daily use scope.
@BrettCooper4702
@BrettCooper4702 2 жыл бұрын
The giant alligator clips need a small googly eye on the hinge. :)
@Chrls5
@Chrls5 2 жыл бұрын
if you are checking for clipping, why not just analyze the signal in FFT, and check when you get noisy stuff??
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 2 жыл бұрын
I like using my Mk1 eyeball
@Chrls5
@Chrls5 2 жыл бұрын
Haha that's awesome , maybe that's why we could see clipping at 575V-ish , but the device overload indicator was triggering bellow that point, Great opportunity to see the use of it and see how accurate is the clipping detector of the device, love your channel btw Dave!! I've learned tons from your videos, thanks a lot 🙏, Cheers m8!!
@nutsnproud6932
@nutsnproud6932 2 жыл бұрын
Send it to Photonicinduction he would test it with 11KV :D
@logicearth
@logicearth 2 жыл бұрын
Hmmm am I the only one hearing a constant tone in the audio.... (Seems to be at the beginning at least.)
@princesswalt4010
@princesswalt4010 2 жыл бұрын
why not just make 10 louder?
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 2 жыл бұрын
It goes to 11
@charlesashurst1816
@charlesashurst1816 2 жыл бұрын
Goes to 11. Wow. That's a lot.
@Vitalka_project
@Vitalka_project 2 жыл бұрын
This worked to eleven?
@mforrest85
@mforrest85 2 жыл бұрын
Sent it to photoinduction and he can test it real good
@lordelectron6591
@lordelectron6591 2 жыл бұрын
am electron I fell off 🥺 1:03
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 2 жыл бұрын
The EEVblog takes all care but accepts no responsibility.
@paco3447
@paco3447 2 жыл бұрын
Is one louder
@armandine2
@armandine2 2 жыл бұрын
Out of stock sale continues?
@DavidLindes
@DavidLindes 2 жыл бұрын
(10:36/)10:49 - do they talk, as some photographers I know do, about having “gas” (GAS - Gear Acquisition Syndrome)? 😁
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 2 жыл бұрын
TEAS: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rbJhgZOQ27C-hKM.html
@DavidLindes
@DavidLindes 2 жыл бұрын
@@EEVblog hah… nice. :)
@Rob2
@Rob2 2 жыл бұрын
Also sometimes TEKAS: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aZuna8yHvt-RZpc.html
@DavidLindes
@DavidLindes 2 жыл бұрын
@@Rob2 oh my goodness. I’ve watched a number of his videos before, but I’ve never seen……. That. Yikes. It’s like hoarding crossed with OCD or something. :-o
@Simon-cu4fi
@Simon-cu4fi 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Dave! How's Australia
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, you know, more authoritarian by the day. Nothing to see here, move along now.
@hanznel8488
@hanznel8488 2 жыл бұрын
@@EEVblog good luck. once they get a taste for power, bye bye individual human rights..... They're not scared, they took away your guns a long time ago.
@williamsquires3070
@williamsquires3070 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like you don’t have the volts to drive the diff probe to failure. That motherboard, though, is a different story. Crank it to 1,100 volts and put a 20 GHz crystal in there and overclock that bad boy… for all of about 1 picosecond! 🤣😝 If it’s worth doing (on video), it’s worth over doing! 😏
@mrechbreger
@mrechbreger 2 жыл бұрын
Turn it up to 11: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/at6Xq5ecnZneqpc.html
@weerobot
@weerobot 2 жыл бұрын
Yes..11
@skyking6989
@skyking6989 2 жыл бұрын
Why don't you just make 10 louder?
@a51mj12
@a51mj12 2 жыл бұрын
Will he do a face reveal? I think i got a glimpse of his face in a reflection somewhere around 12:00
@lewispommells234
@lewispommells234 2 жыл бұрын
He doesn’t hide his face, plenty of videos with him in front of camera
@a51mj12
@a51mj12 2 жыл бұрын
@@lewispommells234 that's not his face btw
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 2 жыл бұрын
There are probably 1000 videos with my face in it.
@pyromen321
@pyromen321 2 жыл бұрын
@@a51mj12, yeah he’s definitely been changing his face with deepfakes years before deepfakes were invented
@peterhaan9068
@peterhaan9068 2 жыл бұрын
Sure seems like it would be easy to modify the case to accept banana jacks and not have to touch the circuit board at all.
@alch3myau
@alch3myau 2 жыл бұрын
are my speakers fucked or are you only using the left speaker
@5mxg
@5mxg 2 жыл бұрын
clickbait
@apollorobb
@apollorobb 2 жыл бұрын
Its 120 yankee volts .None of this 240v penal colony rubbish
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