EEVblog 1588 - Virgin Hyperloop One Goes BUST!

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The Elon Musk vision of Hyperloop has come-a-gutsa. Vigin Hyperloop One has gone out of business. Who could have predicted it?
And who's left standing in the Hyperloop world?
Part 2: TUM Hyperloop: • TUM Hyperloop - A €3.5...
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00:00 - Virgin Hyperloop has gone BUST!
02:54 - Well, it did actually carry humans.
04:33 - The Hyperloop isn't actually an Elon Musk project
05:33 - Buying the Nevada test track for pennies on the dollar
07:23 - Australia was not immune to the madness
08:53 - It'll cost next to nothing to run!, trust me bro
09:34 - Invetsment goes bye-bye
10:46 - It's a fundamentally dumb idea
11:14 - They couldn't even make it work as a cargo system
12:45 - DP World in Dubai lost their money
13:23 - Transpod Fluxjet and The Hyperloop Association!
15:45 - Nevomo Hyperloop
18:45 - Hardt Hyperloop, it's all happening!
22:23 - Zeleros Hyperloop
24:32 - Swisspod
25:36 - Swisspod test track in Pueblo Texas
26:45 - Hyperloop Transportation Technologies
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@EEVblog 5 ай бұрын

I totally missed this TUM Hyperloop passeger test from 4 months ago! Here is a Part 2 video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e65mlbd037LLY6M.html

@harijszablockis332 5 ай бұрын

What's the point of that? To prove that maglev - a 60's developed technology, 80's implemented technology - still works in 2023 even in vacuum? What exactly is new? Did they have other expectation? And who cares about vacuum in 25m tube where inertia not drag is the key component in every experiment? I smell some smooth government fund scam there - experiments concluded positive, project successful. Usability - zero.

@kira07 5 ай бұрын

you know what we need is Monorail! Monorail! Monorail! :D (the Simpsons reference

@tomorrow6 4 ай бұрын

@@kira07monorail (gruff voice) 🎶

@dashcamandy2242 5 ай бұрын

Investors: "Where did all that money go?" Scammers: "You saw our slick CGI animations, right?"

@Splarkszter 5 ай бұрын

Only 2 days per frame!!!

@abitofabitofabit4404 5 ай бұрын

@@Splarkszter GPU ain't cheap in the middle of an AI gold rush, to be sure.

@georgegherghinescu 5 ай бұрын

Why not use the money to make a 1:10 scale demonstration model to prove their design. I'm sure it is not impossible but probably not close to economicaly viable. Maybe after many many iterations..

@franklincerpico7702 5 ай бұрын

24:58 You pretending to be on the pod like a little kid is gut busting.

@sammiller6631 5 ай бұрын

@@abitofabitofabit4404 GPU power is cheap if you just rent processing power from Amazon Web Services or Google Cloud, to be sure.

@Mightydoggo 5 ай бұрын

The fact that they cut through the hyperloop test drive to make space for a rail is peak irony. Imagine how much they could have improved life for everyone if all those billions and billions of dollars would have gone into improving already existing infrastructure or build new one with time tested methods, like _trains._

@wobblysauce 5 ай бұрын

Even the park rides are longer.

@davidbrayshaw3529 5 ай бұрын

Did you have to remind me of the squandered opportunity this ridiculous corporate fraud veiled as "science" has left us.

@axelBr1 5 ай бұрын

Thunderf00t speculated that Elon proposed Hyperloop to distract the California from building an actual rail link and reducing the need for electric cars.

@gregblumenthal4730 5 ай бұрын

To be fair, the rail spur was there first (dating back to 2006 or 2007), and the hyperloop track had a gap in it from the start. Not sure whether they put in a temporary pipe segment to span the rail just for the competitions (it's a series of tubes) or if they just ran it on the 800m section to the west of the gap

@NarmyHiiragi 5 ай бұрын

That's exactly why Musk introduced the idea, he didn't want money going to rail instead.

@mattgayda2840 5 ай бұрын

I made one of these for my pet gerbil as a kid with a shop vac, early testing proved it wasn't feasible for passengers. RIP test pilot Mr pickle

@Bob-of-Zoid 5 ай бұрын

RIP Mr. Pickle! 🐹 The ones who live fast die young was his motto when he got into the tube, and fast he did go through it before he hit the wall on the other end!

@mikus4242 5 ай бұрын

If only they had built solar into it, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT!

@ytcensorhack1876 5 ай бұрын

Solar hyper roadways

@joels7605 5 ай бұрын

And blockchain. And hydrogen. And... carbon capture? It's like the tech grifter trifecta.

@kalhana1 5 ай бұрын

@@joels7605 and throw in "AI" for good measure. Even cutlery needs "AI" these days!

@jeffreylangford962 5 ай бұрын

And wind generators and pixie dust

@mikus4242 5 ай бұрын

@@joels7605 lol

@glenslick2774 5 ай бұрын

Someone needs to buy that Nevada test pod, add some thrusters and a PlayStation controller to it, and it will be all set for passenger sightseeing trips to the Titanic.

@phillyphakename1255 5 ай бұрын

Thunderfoot thinks that it's an actual pressure vessel from an airplane, so it could work! There's no difference between positive and negative pressure, right? And no difference between a 1atm vacuum and a 200atm Titanic? It's fine, when was the last time a plane exploded? 30 years ago? It's fine, these have a margin of safety, they ain't goin' anywhere... (slaps rachet straps)

@RanEncounter 5 ай бұрын

@@phillyphakename1255 What are you talking about? How are you so lost?

@phillyphakename1255 5 ай бұрын

@@RanEncounter did you not detect my dripping sarcasm? Slaps ratchet strap, 1=200, negative=positive, etc?

@RanEncounter 5 ай бұрын

@@phillyphakename1255 You should read your own comment again. Yes there is clearly sarcasm but the target is not as obvious as you think.

@phillyphakename1255 5 ай бұрын

@@RanEncounter buy pod designed for vacuum, slap a Logitech controller in it, and go to the Titanic 200 atm deep. OP was clearly talking oceangate. So I expanded on that. I quoted the oceangate founder, saying that it's fine to blow past the ratings, they have margins of safety, it'll be fine (slaps ratchet strap). Carbon fiber is strong (in tension) so it'll be strong in compression, right? And anyways, it's been a long time since a submersible disaster, that must mean that the regulations are needlessly strict and not that they are doing their job. Imma take this unrated and poorly designed submersible built from scrap materials down to insta-death zone, just for a half million dollars and a microgram of thrill. What could go wrong?

@nychold 5 ай бұрын

Where are all the critic-critics? The ones who said "they had the best engineers" or "they've already solved the problem but it's a trade secret." I want apologies from each and every one of them that bashed us, the sane ones saying this wouldn't work.

@peterj9716 5 ай бұрын

But didn't Elon Musk say it wasn't that hard to build a hyperloop.

@bertblankenstein3738 5 ай бұрын

An airhockey table.. that's all.

@speedsterh 5 ай бұрын

For a 1 km-long hyperloop, totally doable !

@semilog643 5 ай бұрын

rotflol

@hapeheh7855 4 ай бұрын

its not hard..its just impossible. and everyone knew that..

@WayneBagguley 2 ай бұрын

@@bertblankenstein3738pumping air into a vacuum kinda defeats the purpose, how could the technoking not see this?

@onjofilms 5 ай бұрын

Whoever thought keeping a vacuum on such an immense space had a vacuum in their head.

@Bob-of-Zoid 5 ай бұрын

Exactly, and I have yet to hear how they propose to deal with train stations where they can't have a vacuum, and then reestablish the vacuum in such tubes for between 30 and hundreds of miles, and the insane amount of equipment that has all kinds of points of failure that will need frequent, and difficult maintenance! Any cost of energy they save by using a vacuum they will have to more than double to pay for establishing the vacuum itself and keep up all of the gear to do so, which will be a maintenance nightmare! They are also suspiciously silent about what happens to passengers if a pod is breached with humans in it!

@jannb.6811 5 ай бұрын

Right. I'm working for a company where we have to deal with an evacuated containment with

@Bob-of-Zoid 5 ай бұрын

@@jannb.6811 "Right." as in right, or facesiously meaning wrong? If the former, then the rest of what you wrote contredicts it. So, what is the volume of the vacuum chamber at the company, and how large is it's largest opening that has to keep a good seal? How long does it take to get it to < 2m³ of what, inside of what volume, because "m³" aka cubic meters is a volume measurement not a pressure measurement in Pa (Pascals) within atmospheres as vacuums are measured, otherwise you could use the particles per space like # of particles hydrogen/cm³ in the chamber to which you are missing the number of particles, so it makes no sense as you present it. Anyhow, scale it all up by who knows how much, keeping in mind it's supposed to be a tube, that a train can go through, and then some for escape route space..., and that for miles and miles, add stations, trains going both directions and either an entire 2n'd tube or a way to make one work (Way more difficult, and not anywhere near as safe)... and you have to realize that you are not just maintaining the vacuum, but releasing and reestablishing it several times a day! The stations cannot be under vacuum with humans in them... Ain't nothing going to be easy nor cheap in the case of the Hyperloop!

@kbsmd0 4 ай бұрын

진공이라는 선입견에 사업이 망한겁니다. 진공이던 아니던 하이퍼루프는 작동되어야 하며 저런 식의 진공펌프는 없어야 합니다. 진공펌프 없이 어렵지 않게 진공을 만들고 유지할 수 있습니다.

@asdasd1111ish 4 ай бұрын

@@kbsmd0then pls show us how you easily make a vacuum with out a pump and how you easily maintain it for a 600km/h speeding thru it you got damn genius 😂😂

@InfernosReaper 5 ай бұрын

The fact that no one made a functional scale model the size of a toy train to demonstrate the viability of the idea is a testament to how it is a total non-starter. The closest to that is someone made what looks like a circle with no clear ability to do anything with it.

@TheZigZiggy 5 ай бұрын

It's all money laundering. Follow the money and find out who's getting rich from these boondoggles, Solandra, high speed trains in California, etc

@stephenrowley4171 5 ай бұрын

Absolutely it may have gone busy but there's deffo some who have taken lots of money out it

@markotrieste 5 ай бұрын

On the contrary, Elon explicitly said that he pulled out the Hyperloop just to throw a wrench in the California HST, which is actually a real competitor to cars.

@InfernosReaper 5 ай бұрын

@@markotrieste Yep, even though people who buy Teslas tend to be too smug to ride mass transit anyway

@Pianet 5 ай бұрын

This isn't how you launder money at all. You need a business that you can exaggerate the profitability of. It might work as a form of tax fraud but it would be the stupid when you can just offshore money for way less cost and hassle

@InfernosReaper 5 ай бұрын

@@Pianet Maybe if you need to explain where money came from you could say "it's from investors for the business" but yeah, basically not how money laundering works Ripping off taxpayers and investors, though, totally

@EvDelen 5 ай бұрын

Nevomo: there are trains that do this already. The Vancouver SkyTrain uses a linear induction motor for propulsion. This technology was developed in Ontario in the 1970's. Toronto's former Scarborough Rapid Transit was the prototype system and ran from 1985 until 2003. They're re-inventing 1970's tech.

@cerealport2726 5 ай бұрын

the challenge for hyperloop was not the motive force, but maintaining a vacuum.

@killjoy1887 5 ай бұрын

@@cerealport2726 Thermal expansion and contraction alone would have been a bloody nightmare.

@BlackEpyon 5 ай бұрын

The SkyTrain sounds really cool when it starts up and stops!

@belgoblax1596 5 ай бұрын

@@cerealport2726 the only place they maintained the necessary vacuum for this tech was in between the ears...

@fluke196c 5 ай бұрын

@@belgoblax1596 between the legs too!

@johnwest7993 5 ай бұрын

In the world of technology there are an infinite number of things that CAN be done, but only a few that SHOULD be done. Wise people know the difference.

@markuskoivisto 4 ай бұрын

Finding out which is which is what engineers are for

@johnwest7993 4 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, in my 40 year career I met several who who thought that their job was to just do what the boss wanted.

@markuskoivisto 4 ай бұрын

@@johnwest7993 well, you do the feasibility study and if you correctly conclude it’s infeasible and they choose to go ahead, you collect the paycheck and then say “I told you so”

@rikvdmark 5 ай бұрын

Major scam, I can’t believe this is still going on with companies like Hardt. Very sad.

@Sonny_McMacsson 5 ай бұрын

It's ultimately no worse than the electric utopia grift. Ultimately, schemes are measured by how well their claims come to fruition.

@rikvdmark 5 ай бұрын

@@Sonny_McMacsson Agreed. But in a way scams like this feel worse.

@rocketsocks 5 ай бұрын

It's disappointing that even after it was revealed to be a scam to stymie progress on California's high-speed rail project the program continued to chug along in a zombie state.

@treelineresearch3387 5 ай бұрын

All California's high speed rail project needs to stymie progress is the California government.

@EEVblog 5 ай бұрын

The first rule of investment is never admit to the scam. Run it like you mean it.

@haroldcruz8550 5 ай бұрын

It's all about the kickbacks.

@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse 5 ай бұрын

Its like phone scams, you can interrupt the call and tell them its a scam but many will just carry on.

@hopje01 5 ай бұрын

We had a working hyperloop at the company! You had plastic pods, and in the pod you could put a letter. You dial a number and woesh it goes to a person on another floor.😅 Transporting a mouse would be possible!

@Sevetamryn 5 ай бұрын

"It is just am air hokey in a vacuum tube, it's that easy. It's really not that complicated"

@davidbrayshaw3529 5 ай бұрын

"We can do this today".

@squidcaps4308 5 ай бұрын

I'm not an engineer and i got quarter of brian left, if lucky and for me HyperLoop® was the "emperor has no clothes" moment.

@BlackburnBigdragon 5 ай бұрын

Expect a long, detailed, and very joyful, video from Thunderfoot about this very soon! Haha! The only other news story that would make him happier and get him to make a more cheerful video is if the "Solar Freakin Roadways" company goes under. Solar Freakin' Roadways is next. That company HAS to be running on life support right now. They haven't done anything for years.

@EEVblog 5 ай бұрын

They have been going for 17 years now on the government and public teet, I wouldn't count them out yet!

@switzerland3696 5 ай бұрын

Thunderfoot is just a Elon reply guy clickbait cult guy now, I do not know how anyone can watch him still, he is so dishonest just to get clicks.

@viguiry 5 ай бұрын

@@switzerland3696Dishonest about?

@switzerland3696 5 ай бұрын

@@viguiry Just watch his video's and do your own research (You are allowed to do that even though lots of governments say not too)

@largepimping 5 ай бұрын

@@switzerland3696 "Dishonest"? No. Repetitive, ponderous and unwatchable? Yes, absolutely.

@markbeiser 5 ай бұрын

23:30ish Yeah, a jet turbine powered pod running in a vacuum tube...BRILLIANT!

@ytsm 5 ай бұрын

I thought I must be misunderstanding something about their concept, because they can't be *that* stupid?!?! 😂

@rrrandommman 5 ай бұрын

I'd use the test track as the worlds longest taco stand, book it out for business events.

@EEVblog 5 ай бұрын

Giant Pizza oven with a maglev trolley!

@RS-ls7mm 5 ай бұрын

Self powered.

@PRH123 5 ай бұрын

Fill it with water, people could swim in it, like a big long skinny pool...

@entropyachieved750 5 ай бұрын

Besides a thought experiment how universities actually got their engineering departments involved to build things and sell it to the students that this was a feasible mode of transportation I'll never know

@markm0000 5 ай бұрын

Extreme levels of corruption.

@entropyachieved750 5 ай бұрын

@@markm0000 probably thought it was there way of meeting electric Jesus

@RS-ls7mm 5 ай бұрын

But every science fiction book has extensive vacuum tunnels. How could they be wrong?

@MrFlugi 5 ай бұрын

finance of Uni is tricky, there are silly challenge tournaments to raise popularity and visibility

@amotriuc 5 ай бұрын

I think it is a good idea to give students a try to solve an impossible problem in order to expand imagination and break thought limits. As education exercise i think this is great, as business nope.

@ajr993 5 ай бұрын

What if we just build a lot of medium speed rail? Rail that goes 100mph. Doesn't require fancy, high speed tracks or impossible vacuum systems. You give it comfortable passenger booths, food service on board, internet, and maybe some entertainment systems. So sure, it won't be going 600mph, but you could take a 6-hour rail trip instead of a 1-hour hyperloop trip and either sleep, work, or enjoy some entertainment. It would be a lot better than driving and cheaper than flying. Seems like this is the answer to transport. Its not sexy, and it doesn't need an embarrassingly stupid white paper, but it is financially viable and meets most transport needs. Plus the track could also be used for freight if there are no passengers.

@BradyBegeman 5 ай бұрын

I agree with this. This is just standard European/Japanese rail.

@nisonatic 5 ай бұрын

It usually comes down to buying the land. You've either got to make countless deals to acquire it, or if the government exercises eminent domain they have to go through endless litigation. And for these large projects there are huge environmental impact studies that have to be carried out.

@PRH123 5 ай бұрын

@@nisonatic the rail rights of way were acquired already in the 19th century... someone still owns all of them... they are either laying dormant, being used for rail, or as is fashionable now being converted to hiking & biking trails... so that's not a significant issue....

@38911bytefree 4 ай бұрын

Done already in Japan, Germany and Spain. 300kmh is just "normal"in high speed rail. Check ICE, Talgo250 and 300, Alstom almost broke the 600kmh mark on tests. Of course you need a good track layout. But still "normal" rail infrastructure.

@lexlayabout5757 3 ай бұрын

You don't need special track to go a lot faster than 100mph, just standard track properly maintained - which of course a lot of lines in the USA and 3rd world nations are not.

@horstkotte6114 5 ай бұрын

If the vacuum is sufficient, the test track would make the (probably) worlds largest food dehydrator :-) Come to think of it: you can vacuum dry wood. Potentially you could chuck whole trees in that thing...

@harijszablockis332 5 ай бұрын

Dave, I just don't know what's wrong with us in EU. It failed in US two times. Australia ate the shit up and failed. We're like - yeah, our turn, lets build the thing that failed all over the world multiple times and is physically impossible. The scam that universities are, the stupidity of investors. It's beyond me. They asked me once to evaluate a fucking motor-generator perpetuum mobile and when I told them that it's bullshit and guy is scammer, the investors told that I'm a short vision skeptical fool and went on doing it anyway. IDK anymore. We need to bulldoze the education system and build anew for a cent to change.

@haroldcruz8550 5 ай бұрын

Our financial system is a giant Ponzi scheme, these things are bound to happen

@arvetemecha 5 ай бұрын

hello, froggie speaking, Felon Skum convinced the gullible local authorities in the south of France to invest millions of tax payers money in a hyperloop facility near Toulouse, all stupid journalists and Felon Skam cult followers were all excited to show all the bells and whistles at the time. Which failed miserably few years after, as predicted.

@rokhamler3352 5 ай бұрын

Because in terms of engineers, they will design what the client demands. It is on the client to first do a feasibility analysis. But the super-rich elite cult leaders like Musk don't like it when someone tells them NO, that more practical, less complex, more economic and environmentally friendly solutions like regular trains already exist. But ask yourself this broader question while we shit on hyperloop as a bad investment - why don't we build more trains in general instead of paved roads for personal cars? Yes there are some places we could not go with trains but for general transport, trains absolutely dwarf every other form of land transport for people and solid materials and personal cars represent the least effective mode of transport in terms of route capacity. We shit on the hyperloop but we are drowning in paved roads, parking lots, bad walkability, bad public transport, exhaust fumes, traffic jams and personal cars are a massive expense. We can and should shit on the hyperloop but as a society addicted to personal cars we are not that much better. We simply diffuse the much higher combined purchase and maintenance cost of cars and their roads and parking lots among common people despite knowing public transport would be far cheaper, more effective and more environmentally friendly for probably at least 3/4 of most transport/driving needs.

@owlmostdead9492 5 ай бұрын

I’m going to tell you whats wrong: 90% of all people are legitimately mentally incapacitated. I see it every where, from Software development to cleaning floors. Most of every industry is incompetent.

@--_DJ_-- 5 ай бұрын

@@rokhamler3352 Public transport will never be as effective as personal transport. That is why people don't use it for the most part. Public transport can be cheaper and more friendly to the environment, but not more effective than taking your personal vehicle directly to where you want to go. I think it is a very pie eyed idea to think people will ever be willing to adopt mass transit on a large scale where they are not doing that already. As it is now, it would take me at least 2 hours on 3 different buses to get to work vs the 25-30 minutes it takes me to drive there. Another 2+ hours home. That is ignoring the problem that there are no services available at all that would get me to work for 7am. At best my day would start with me leaving the house around 4-4:30 am and end in the neighborhood of 8:30 pm. Not practical at all in my case, and I don't see that ever changing.

@mickeyfilmer5551 5 ай бұрын

The amount of energy required to evacuate the tubes would have been extortionate.

@KoRntech 5 ай бұрын

Oh no, I hope nobody in the MSM reminds everyone about Elon's assertion this was easy it tube with an air hockey table.

@InfernosReaper 5 ай бұрын

It was years after the announcement of it that I even heard the "air hockey table" part of his claim and even without that I was like "how it's a train in a metal tube going to be cheaper to make than just a train, let alone adding vacuum pumps and airlocks to the mix"

@fyt54321 5 ай бұрын

"Really, it's not that hard." So will it be maglev Elon? (long pause) ... "Wheels". Think of an air hockey table... Everything imaginary and fantastical is easy and right-around-the-corner in Elontopia Hypeland.

@InfernosReaper 5 ай бұрын

@@fyt54321 Yeah, not sure how a how a hover train is supposed to work in a vacuum, but clearly, it's "not that hard" because the "smartest man alive" said so

@mys721tx 5 ай бұрын

Seriously, blowing air while inside a vacuum chamber, like do you want a vacuum or not?

@LeelooMinai 5 ай бұрын

He is primarily a salesman, not some genius engineer as he tries to convince people of.

@halko1 5 ай бұрын

I was shocked to hear it wasn’t dead already. What took so long.

@shadow7037932 5 ай бұрын

Money was still flowing in apparently.

@marcogenovesi8570 5 ай бұрын

they still had investors and governments to milk. See also the solar freaking roadways and similar

@EEVblog 5 ай бұрын

@@marcogenovesi8570 I think it's 17 YEARS now for Solar Roadways!

@marcogenovesi8570 5 ай бұрын

@@EEVblog it's still going strong, love it

@drooplug 5 ай бұрын

That and bricks made from recycled plastic.

@SidneyCritic 5 ай бұрын

The reason rail is so effective is that the track is cheap, with this they are making the track the most expensive part, ie, if you want distance you don't want the track to be the most expensive part - lol -. Next we are going to have Jetloop, where they cut slots in the tube and put a airplane inside with the wings hanging out - lol -.

@jankcitycustoms 5 ай бұрын

getting the old pod would make one hell of a teardown video

@Graeme_Lastname 5 ай бұрын

I'd like to see a cost comparison between 100K of rail track and 100K of vacuum tube.

@glenecollins 5 ай бұрын

From what I have seen Rail tunnels are on a similar cost level just to build them. (Even rail tunnels are much cheaper to upkeep though.) In places with very low safety standards and cheap labour tunnels are similar in price to create to decent railways in developed countries so there is bound to be a lot of variability. I imagine being close to big steelworks would also make it a lot more viable. So China, India or Eastern Europe look like being the only place where one could be built if they could still get enough investment. As far as I can see Most of the worst places for something with expensive upkeep.

@Graeme_Lastname 5 ай бұрын

@@glenecollins 😃

@LM-fg7vi 5 ай бұрын

At least in Missouri, 20 Years ago, 1 mile of railroad track not including the price of the land was approx. 1 million dollars, so probably 3 million now! A single railroad track switch of "standard design" was $70,000. A vastly more clean vacuum structure that is miles long HAS been built, the LIGO detector system, but the cost of that per mile is way, way more than any "hyperloop". I guess it would come down to the price of the steel and labor and how "safe" you would want it to be.

@Graeme_Lastname 5 ай бұрын

@@LM-fg7vi Safe? Now there's a novel idea. 🤣

@glenecollins 5 ай бұрын

@@LM-fg7vi the cost of raw materials is almost insignificant at a million dollars per mile so you can see how a railway in a developing country could knock a couple of zeros off that by paying their people a lot less and do a lot fewer of those pesky checks, reinforcing etc. The LHC is definitely something you could compare the cost of producing a long vaccine sealed pipe but it is pretty much the extreme upper limit for how much it should cost because it has to hold a much much harder vacuum to the point where hydrogen squeezing through the metal and off gassing on contaminants in the steel seriously increases the amount of pumping and decreases the level of vacuum that can be reached. For a hyper-loop you should be able to paint the inside of the tube with anything that stays on a passenger jet and it wouldn’t significantly affect the pumping rate. With a maglev “hyper-loop” design the amount of safety you wanted to go for would make a huge difference to the cost of the system. If you had to add enough sealable airlocks within and to the outside of the tube to prevent a rupture shooting the pods out at ~the speed of sound (and at least decrease that speed to something survivable) it is going to cost vastly more than just having 2 at each station.

@carlospenalver8721 5 ай бұрын

The reason you can’t see the guys face sitting directly behind the 2 in the front row is because he’s wearing a oxygen mask in case there’s a leak and he can lean forward to slap the camera down before you see their eyeballs pop out and lunch fly out both holes under the vacuum

@CatheteriZedEYE 5 ай бұрын

colour me shocked who would have thought such a thing

@LordZordid 5 ай бұрын

At least it had the decency to die before it stopped being entertaining.

@umbraelegios4130 5 ай бұрын

"Will the last person to leave, please turn out the lights. Thanks." Maybe you could crowd fund getting a Pod as a new studio. Rename it EEV One.

@dansimpson6844 5 ай бұрын

Just wait for SOLAR FREAKIN' HYPERLOOPS!

@RS-ls7mm 5 ай бұрын

Look up the Dubai hyperloop.

@dansimpson6844 5 ай бұрын

@@RS-ls7mm Does it go to Sand Point Idaho?

@RS-ls7mm 5 ай бұрын

@@dansimpson6844 Since Dubai has all the money its only a matter of time.

@scottriddell7893 5 ай бұрын

When Joe Rogan is your chief engineer. Your gonna have a bad time.

@SansNeural 5 ай бұрын

Elon Musk's alpha paper and hyperloop hype was all about building his myth as a brilliant inventor - to increase stock value and investment interest in his own commercial ventures.

@SirGriefALot 5 ай бұрын

For real. He always has amazing new tech that's right around the corner but 5 years later no sign of it.

@gg-gn3re 5 ай бұрын

true genius of a con artist tbh

@radry100 5 ай бұрын

He didn't even invent that shit but bought the idea.

@formbi 5 ай бұрын

ALL GLORY TO THE WHITEPAPER

@DEADB33F 5 ай бұрын

Hyperloop has been a resounding success. It was never meant to be a viable transit option, it was always designed as a distraction, steering governments and local authorities away from actually proven viable rail, subway and other public transportation options. Why invest in dull & boring tried & tested public transit when the modern incarnation of the monorail salesman has come to town and is touting that the future is just around the corner. Look who benefits from cities and governments not investing in public transit... The fewer people using public transport and the fewer viable public transport options available the more cars get sold ....Musk is in the business of selling cars. So yeah. As far as Musk is concerned Hyperloop has been nothing short of a spectacular success.

@porterwake3898 5 ай бұрын

Vacuum sealed metal container that is 100 miles long? That sounds a tad bit dangerous to this chemist who works with vacuum distillations and reactors every day.

@EEVblog 5 ай бұрын

Details.... Details...

@lexlayabout5757 3 ай бұрын

And very expensive. It would need massive expansion joints every few kilometers with bellows seals, and massive gate valves at intervals and also three each side of each station platform (two as an airlock and a third outer one for isolation when you needed to maintain the others). To this engineer who has worked with large (2 to 3m) pressurised ducts in power stations - I know what this stuff costs.

@shaider1982 5 ай бұрын

Thunderf00t has beem debunking this for years. Thunderf00t wins! Flawless, victory.👍

@hikecraze 5 ай бұрын

Physics says acceleration and deceleration would be bad even if you could vacuum the tube to near 0 kpa and somehow hold a "pillow" of air at the stop ends and allowing the tube ti stay vacuum tight when opening the pillow door to the tube. There is still the matter of centrifugal forces around corners. And basically making a spacecraft in a tube, leak = death and all the lifesupport systems in case of emergency. And we do wonders sealing things that move fast past each other...(sarcasm)

@GrubbJunker 5 ай бұрын

Eagerly awaiting Hyperloop Two: This Time For Real You Guys.

@bjornroesbeke 5 ай бұрын

For a system that ought to function within a vacuum, there's no seals to be found and they design their pods aerodynamically (when there's no air to deal with?).

@pyredynasty 5 ай бұрын

I've got a new invention: the Hyperpoop. It's a vacuum based sewer system.

@EEVblog 5 ай бұрын

That sucks.

@MyNameIsChristBringsASword 5 ай бұрын

In 1910 there was a single rail (monorail) Locomotive that used an ingenious gyroscope on a gimble that tilted on corners and completely mechanical. It was fast, cheap, safe and people loved it.

@semilog643 5 ай бұрын

But it needed a huge pair of gyroscopes in every car.

@MyNameIsChristBringsASword 5 ай бұрын

@@semilog643one gyroscope per car and only one rail needed, goes faster and stays upright for 30 minutes without power.

@semilog643 5 ай бұрын

@@MyNameIsChristBringsASword Two gyros. The system cannot work with only one. It's incredibly clever but also mechanically complex and heavy.

@MyNameIsChristBringsASword 5 ай бұрын

@@semilog643it's a single unit with two gyro's side by side. A production line could turn out as many as you want.

@lexlayabout5757 3 ай бұрын

What was the point? Two rails - problem solved. I know about the 1910 thing, it was just a party trick.

@axelBr1 5 ай бұрын

I wonder how much of the investment dollars went into designing aerodynamic pods that run in a vacuum. Also, I want to be in the room / test track when the Zeleros team realise that compressors and air levitation don't work in a vacuum.

@katrinabryce 5 ай бұрын

The big problem with it is that it was actually slower, on a test track, than the operational speed of the Class 220 Voyagers they introduced as Virgin CrossCountry in 2001, and about the same speed as the Class 47 trains from the 1960s that they replaced.

@lexlayabout5757 3 ай бұрын

Well I guess it could have got faster with more development, but it would have been pointless as there rapidly are diminishing returns with speed - both in the financial cost and in journey time- the latter becomes dominated by how long it takes you to get to and from a terminal.

@BGBTech 5 ай бұрын

Hmm: You could build a tunnel, and put a train in it, not bothering with the vacuum part; maybe have landing zones where the train can stop to open the doors and let people enter and leave, with the platform raised above the level of the tracks... Time to first prototype: -134 years (could have one fully built and operational by the year 1890). Also maybe "solar thermal roadways", where black roadway surface gets hot in the sun, so one can run steel pipes under the roadway; if you pump water through it, it gives hot water in the summer; could also work for parking lots (though, probably not running the pipes under the parking spaces). Maybe find other uses for the abundant and comparably cheap hot water.

@pattheplanter 5 ай бұрын

1863 for the first London Underground track.

@ame7165 5 ай бұрын

i picked up some fairly new Keithley gear with hyperloop asset tags on them lol. this was last year, so i think their impending doom has been in motion for well over a year now EDIT: also, this reminds me of the monorail episode of the simpsons

@cambridgemart2075 3 ай бұрын

They got a far as buying test equipment?

@ame7165 3 ай бұрын

@@cambridgemart2075 i guess so? it's also possible they bought a bunch of equipment and never used any of it

@cambridgemart2075 3 ай бұрын

@@ame7165 That's very possible, I was also wondering how much was used as set dressing to add an air of authenticity to any publicity photos or videos. I would expect some fairly random selections of equipment if that was the case, things with lots of lights and displays tend to be popular for that.

@alexfedorov1160 5 ай бұрын

Their tubes looks already rusty inside (21:32), wander if they just bought the dismantled Hawthorne track, put some new paint with a can and threw a party about it.

@idiotwithasolderingiron 5 ай бұрын

Current scrap steel prices in the US at the time of this video release are $215 per ton (2,000lbs). I am sure they won't let it go for under scrap price.

@uselessDM 5 ай бұрын

Oh no, how unpredictable.

@RobTheSquire 5 ай бұрын

Even criminal masterminds wouldn't have been able to save the project even if it was only built into their secret underground lair.

@davidbrayshaw3529 5 ай бұрын

They were criminal masterminds running the project. They paid themselves handsomely, for years, knowing that this could never possibly work.

@SirGriefALot 5 ай бұрын

I wonder how much money they spent before they realized you can't create a vacuum in a tube that's 100 miles long. 😅

@col0342 4 ай бұрын

Oh, but you can. Not gonna be cheap, though, and "not cheap" is an understatement.

@prezadent1 4 ай бұрын

0.5 billion, paid by US taxpayers.

@lexlayabout5757 3 ай бұрын

Hyperloop One burned through $3/4 billion, mostly provided by Arab investors and that fool Richard Branson.

@iggysfriend4431 5 ай бұрын

The real flaw here is people who think vacuum systems are the same as pressure systems. They are very different.

@thedubwhisperer2157 5 ай бұрын

Exactly. Folks think that a 2psia vessel in a 15psia atmosphere is nothing - my bicycle tyres are 70psia! (This argument assumes that 'folks' know the meaning of psia...).

@nexpro6985 5 ай бұрын

Don't forget they proved that LEDs are cool even inside oil pipelines.

@JEP-Tech 4 ай бұрын

The only application a hyperloop would work is shipping goods acrosss a 250-700 mile long stretch of perfectly flat grassland or desert, but the question becomes why would you need to ship goods at 200mph+ in that case? Going 60mph on a standard railroad for a fraction of the cost would make way more sense and it's already done.

@DavePoo2 5 ай бұрын

I'm not sure what a Boondoggle is, but it's not good.

@fshieldsii 5 ай бұрын

Test track = World's largest vacuum dehydrator/freeze-dryer !

@1kreature 4 ай бұрын

If I had the money I'd buy the test track and convert it to the worlds biggest vacuum cannon. Sure, it can't be aimed but think of all the fun we could have putting things in front of it!

@stephenshoihet2590 5 ай бұрын

If an EE can figure it out, there's no excuse for anyone else 😂 earlier this year, Alberta, Canada was still talking about building one with construction starting this year 😑 of all the places you should be able to make it work, its there: flat, straight, lots of available land, lots of expertise in building pipelines, a distance that's a bit long for a drive but a bit short for air. As a Canadian, it makes me sad every time i hear "us" talking about it 😆 at least hyperloop has provided many hours of entertainment.

@samuraidriver4x4 5 ай бұрын

If you look at those oil pipelines they have a U shape bend in them at set distances apart. The reason for those is thermal expansion and contraction relief. Gonna be tough to get one of those hyperloop pods around the corners of those as they are very much needed when you have long pipes. Soo with that much experience Canada should know best.

@stephenshoihet2590 5 ай бұрын

@@samuraidriver4x4 my point was that it's not going to work here, in one of the easiest cases possible anywhere. If you could make it work, it would be prohibitively expensive and unreliable. Notwithstanding everything else, drawing down and maintaining a vacuum on a tube that size, with humans in it is just not something that's at all practical. The idea has sooooo many problems with it, it's just ridiculous 😆 the fact that musk talked about an "air hockey table" inside a vacuum, where there's no air, is entertaining enough.

@littleshopofelectrons4014 5 ай бұрын

Since they said supersonic speed, I wonder what the centrifugal forces will be on that small demo loop in Pueblo? That loop will self-destruct from vibration. Of coarse it will never work.

@seven7ns 5 ай бұрын

The idea itself is very old. In some companies they still use the system and it is called pneumatic post. It works on a small scale and that small scale can be quite a few kilometers.

@lexlayabout5757 3 ай бұрын

A different idea. The pneumatic post works though.

@matthewf1979 5 ай бұрын

It's ok to dream and push the limits of physics and technology. Hyperloop was basically wanting to send people into space and launch them down a potato cannon with less exit options than ISS. Speaking of potato cannons.....I heard the worlds largest is in Nevada.

@feedme8991 4 ай бұрын

Russia here. No plans for Hyperloop ever, but heavily investing in nuclear power. Particularly interesting is the progress on the new type of fuel cycle.

@tonybelu 4 ай бұрын

To be fair, the most valuable part of that company is probably the giant vacuum chamber and equipment. I'd buy it if I could.

@pXnEmerica 5 ай бұрын

Sweet, less competition for the MONORAIL!

@RKingis 5 ай бұрын

I'm shocked 😅 shocked!!!!!😅😅😅😅😅

@niceguy60 5 ай бұрын

4:58, that test track in Hawthorne was a eyesore that took a lane of traffic away, I had to detour for years because of it

@edmccloskey9696 5 ай бұрын

Be interesting to know what they actually done ever day at Virgin Hyperloop.? Like .? Just go to the pub.?

@onradioactivewaves 5 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas Dave!

@moshunit96 5 ай бұрын

Virgin bought the hyperloop from elon musk making Virgin hyperloop. Can't believe it lasted this long.

@EEVblog 5 ай бұрын

Virgin did not buy anything from Elon Musk, Elon had nothing to sell and gave away the (old) idea in a white paper. The only thing Elon sold was hype.

@rabidbigdog 5 ай бұрын

I always wondered about the near-vacuum experience for the passengers.

@mattgayda2840 5 ай бұрын

Anything happens to that door seal and it's over, and that door seal is supposed to be opened and closed constantly with multiple daily trips. What could possibly go wrong

@weerobot 5 ай бұрын

Well They Tried...Might work in smaller Tubes just for Cargo...

@toomanyaccounts 5 ай бұрын

you mean like a letter? we already have the ability to build that series of tubes

@RCPhotosVideos 5 ай бұрын

People are idiots, so gullible and they don't listen to the people who actually know.

@qarnos 4 ай бұрын

But its so easy... its a tube with an air hockey table. We can do this today! 😂

@bryandraughn9830 5 ай бұрын

So now where am I gonna find a $200 brick?

@nsf001-3 5 ай бұрын

The Internet is not a big truck, and the Hyperloop is not a series of tubes!

@exploatores 5 ай бұрын

if I could buy the test tube. I would put it in a slope and invent a new form of shortrange air cargo transporter.

@oliverwilson6162 5 ай бұрын

Is it just coincidence that it bears a resemblance to the Oceangate sub?

@fabimre 5 ай бұрын

That Hardt Hyperloop is a Dutch thing. Considered the size of their country (the Netherlands), the pod has to put on the brakes BEFORE it even leaves the terminal! The only traject long enough and commercial viable enough is currently (dec. 2023) already now for 40 years a hot (read fiery) poltical debate issue, without any progress! The political will nor financial preparedness is there to make even a normal 240 km/h standard rail traject. The politicians in the capital (South-west) see the people on the other end (North-east) not as real people. As always, it will FAIL!

@skuula 5 ай бұрын

A linear motor ... It needs to built once again for each revolution a regular rotary one does .. ingenious.

@MrSpacelyy 4 ай бұрын

This effort does look better than the previous ones. Maybe they would just go for lower pressure or something.

@criticalevent 5 ай бұрын

Still 4 more companies in this grift space to go.

@kevanhubbard9673 5 ай бұрын

Good job Sir Richard Branson doesn't gamble on horses!

@danielprimostuart 5 ай бұрын

23:40 Are they gonna put a turbine on a train that is going to be under vacuum? It's not like turbines need air to generate thrust, right?

@lexlayabout5757 3 ай бұрын

Barmy, isn't it?

@kamilZ2 5 ай бұрын

Most cargo is shipped by ships. Cargo transport should be cheap and resistant to attacks / failures, not fast. EU is full of stupidity, so unfortunately European Hyperloop may last far beyond 2024.

@PhinkTink 5 ай бұрын

DP World, what a well chosen name for something that fu**s all the investors

@maykevin5 5 ай бұрын

Of course, They get huge donations to develop something then pocket every bit of it and go oops must not be for us..

@cormoran2303 5 ай бұрын

The Hyperdupe is over!

@phillipsusi1791 5 ай бұрын

500 trucks per hour? Past a fixed point? Wow... that's almost what one lane of highway does.

@matthiasseidel6084 12 күн бұрын

I'm wondering if all the trendy humanoid robot companies will suffer a similar fate. They're cool but don't seem financially viable imo. What does Dave think of atlas, digit and such?

@retrozmachine1189 5 ай бұрын

Popped just like a 500km long vacuum tube.

@HyperMario64 5 ай бұрын

Damn this thing has been around for a while now. It's true that drag resistance is at least 50% of the overall resistance at high speed for a train. It would seem more practical to me to use longer high-speed trains and improving the bodywork to reduce drag to a minimum. But it would be boring, right? The thing is that it's really hard to beat a high-speed train infrastructure in terms of upfront cost and maintenance. It just doesn't add up increasing the cost per km to such a ridiculous extent while there is not even anything proving the proposed solution will even be faster that top of the line trains. Tons of headaches about even boarding people in an efficient way while keeping the low pressure roughly constant inside. Of course nothing proven about the impact of a depressurization and how catastrophic it would be. The elephant in the room is providing an accurate cost per km (installation and maintenance), performance metrics, power usage and do a bunch of destructive testing to understand how sensitive are the points of failure. These guys have nothing! It's like the colonizing Mars gimmick.

@cerberes 5 ай бұрын

Dave, just had a brilliant idea how to make Hyperloop actually work. Lay Spin Launch on its side and bolt it on. 😂

@EEVblog 5 ай бұрын

A few hundred million in investment money right there.

@cambridgemart2075 3 ай бұрын

Oh yes, Spinloop's been very quiet for quite a while now.

@someonenicketmyname 5 ай бұрын

Love the video with all of the shipping containers in the background but nobody thinking we need to fit those on our trains.

@johnwest7993 5 ай бұрын

If I had the money I'd buy that pipe and land and turn about 100 feet of one end into a place to live and an electronics lab, then store all my surplus electronics parts and junk in the rest. It might be big enough.

@initialb123 5 ай бұрын

students that look at this project will realised quickly, it's not an achievable transport method for people... maybe bank notes in a 1990s bank system, back when bank notes where a thing and your money was backed by gold.