Also in Krommenie 2019....and Noordwijk, Spijkenisse, Haaksbergen and Blauwestad.

These are the new ones mentioned. Vijfhuizen Noord-Holland 52.36920797244019, 4.701770451860774 (it isn't build yet on the google images) Oirschot Brabant 51.49314962427526, 5.307194512498644

N395 in Oirschot near the crossover of the A58.

@@muppetpaster Krommenie started in 2014 if im not mistaking. But that one will be replaced by a regular cycle path soon.

Take a look at 52.3690815,4.7024318 or search for 'Zonnefietspad N232' for the picture Dave showed at 8:39.

I swear our country only creates brain dead morons in schools that are only good in exploitation and corruption, because through their contacts and knowing a guy that knows a guy in government or other high place they get to execute this type of crap on tax payers money. The Netherlands is the most corrupt country on the face of this Earth. It seems all well on the surface but all the crap is done through backdoor deals. As we also like to call them... these are "prestige projects". It'll look good on someone's resume but it won't add anything but a heavier load on the tax payer.

What a cluster f, guy who ran the company said he spend 1 day a week on it. Just did a mayor cash grab. And he went bust because the government stopped funding his bs.

I would say for sure trees are better than a solar freaking cycleway... for safety, comfort, and for the environment. A bad businessman blames the competition or something like that? For being better than him at everything?

Trees along a bike path? That's so sad for the guy who commented he'd be afraid of running into those canopy posts. He'd never be able to bike in the Netherlands unless he gets over his fears with all those trees...

Those trees, which rise suddenly along the road? If we could just cover EVERYTHING in our top-notch solar roadways!

Ja dat dus... gekte! 😂

wise words mr. Bakker. maybe tell Kocken about the 300m bike path that generates 280kw peak in freiburg by just not driving on it. "That the commercial application was the problem seems to be contrary to the facts: the ‘innovation’ itself was the problem." also for just 1million instead of 5million, it is rare that i can be proud of my government doing something right :P

Cheers Mate 👍 found it easy.

Why would you do this to him? 😂

And not have to cover the solar cells with thick plastic to protect them from bicycle tires...

Interesting idea. I had another thought. It’s a long shot, but the panels might prevent sunlight from passing through them, thereby keeping the sunlight out of the riders eyes. It might be more comfortable even when it’s not raining

the complaints are easy to predict for any idea “that’s ugly” lol

What if they put water on top and then they could match the Romans. (No not really)

@@floodo1they don’t have to be. That one Dave showed is definitely how you doing. And that’s not a goal that needs billions on dollars, I saw someone complain about “colliding” with the supports. That just goes to show you how stupid cyclists are. All this could be fixed with a first year engineer lmao in a year max. But oh “that’s too much work” lmao okay what’s 10 years on this then 💀💀💀

These projects are not approved by ministers, they are done in lower ranks of the public authority, like provinces and municipalities. The problems is that these ranks get a task and budget to promote and implement renewable energy. So they have a couple of million in their pockets burning to get spent. Combine that with greedy companies (and even approval/testing institutes) who do not mind getting money for things they know will not work, and you have a disaster waiting to happen. It is not like this is the only field where this problem occurs! It happens in healthcare and childcare as well.

​@@Rob2 So many layers of governance are complicit. From EU-level 'sustainability funds' and national funds, to provinces and municipalities... Perhaps it is not the minister that signs off on such projects, but I would wager at least a few dozen civil servants were involved in each one. They should all be found incapable of their job.

thinking these people are stupid might be what they want you to believe, they do it for publicity and ideological purity, they don't care about outcomes. Why would they care ? there's virtually no check and balances.

@@i.k.8868 The EU that are killing farmers because for the EU they pollute too much... only to import farming products from South America that doesn't have to follow env and social norms that EU farmers have to follow. In the future we will have milk from NZ.... how dumb this is.

Side note: Politicians are selected by the people and not by engineers or scientists. You will always have politicians with a lack of understanding in many areas, even in the area where they make important decisions. A fix to this would be that more engineers and scientists become politicians or more politically active. But in my experience, engineers rather want to rant about politicians than actually do something and scientists are usually poor public speakers.

Schools are there (in the Netherlands at least) to make their students brain dead. They are taught to do a trick but they also get their own brain switched off. You could basically call them zombies from an Idiocracy.

They don't teach logic in high school, you need tertiary to get that. (It isn't worth the money to take that course either.)

climate change is a religion that persecutes skeptics

@markschroter2640 They teach physics though, calculating some basic power figures is a lot easier than what I remember from my exams

@@markschroter2640They don't teach logic at Dutch universities!

Schmoke and a pancake 🥞? Bong and a crepe?

Unfortunately, the Monorail Man has many disguises... Who can resist that irresistible combination of "sustainability" and "this could put our town on the map"? After all, it's only the taxpayers' money being thrown away...

It's OK, Australia spent $150m+ on the carbon capture scam.

​@@edgarwalk5637 LOL, that is nothing! Here in Utrecht we spent over €500m on a single freaking light rail line which doesn't even work most of the time. It is by far the most expensive tramway in the world, and now our municipal government wants to build a metro as well. A single line for € 4,5 billion !!!!!! For a tiny city where literally everyone bikes, and everyone hates trams and buses. You do the math. And we are also investing massively in carbon capture...

It's fine.. It's always good to have a definitive test. Even when it fails, they might learn a few things.

WEF testbed

you must be new here, we have been laughing at solar roadways for a while now. No it does not make any sense, but the grift keeps going for some reason

They get taxpayer money for these "green" projects, a few people get rich, and they move on to the next grift. They rely on liberal sheep that foam at the mouth when they hear "climate change"...

It's "Innovative" so it gets funding.

@@EEVblog not even the "innovative" holds water at this point, it's an idea from decades ago. It's just corruption imho

​@@marcogenovesi8570It's just like Communism, it just hasn't been done right yet.... Lol

Shouldn't tax payer association exercise oversight so they don't spend money on things that we know are bad?

I always said we have tons of big parking lots at big box stores and such that they could cover.

There has been pushback against PV on parking in the Netherlands. The municipalities don't want it, because they fear residents won't like looking at it.

@@i.k.8868 Well do they want to be eco or do the residents just want the panels somewhere because it looks fashionable and is the next best thing, just not in *their* backyard? Really shows you where these people's priorities lie.....

​@@MysteriousFigure Sustainability is not a priority of Dutch voters (it was literally at the bottom during the last elections a few weeks back). People don't care about sustainability. They care about how much cash is in their wallet, and they certainly don't want their environment to change. PV on your roof is a smart financial choice, not a fashion or philosophical statement. PV in public space is just a nuisance to most people, because they aren't making money off of it themselves. Let me say it this way: most people have solar panels because it saves them money, not because it is "eco". People that do things because they believe it to be eco-friendly account for less than 15% of the population, unfortunately.

@@i.k.8868 On the other hand, it is fortunate that apparently more and more people realize that you cannot change the environment using projects like this, they are just there to offer "peace of mind", not to actually solve the problem. I am happy that we will no longer be forced to spend money on projects that look nice but have near-zero effect. Better spend that money on research than on actual implementation.

As long as there are politicians around who only care about initiative instead of results.

With sunny weather so rare in the Netherlands, I am not sure you want to cycle in the shade. But they would serve as a nice cover against the rain, provided there is no wind blowing the rain below the panels.

You can steal our money, but not the sky above our cycle path!!!

Shade, too! I live in 100 degree summer land, where cycling is not conducive to life. Some shade would help.

6:38 that’s what Germany is doing. And yeah, it’s way smarter.

Agreed. Even the solar panels we have at work above the car parks act as a nice rain cover. When you are forced to park far from the main door you can now walk in dry instead on 10mins in rain (it's a big site).

This idea works GREAT, (if you lack basic maths skills lol)

Oddly enough implementing all the stupid ideas will indeed bring us closer to sustainability. It will pollute our environment with a lot of metallic dust along with tiny chips of silicon and glass and plasics, it will waste our energy and all kinds of resources, it will create new risks and expenses for the inhabitants creating more pressure for the healthcare, and it will waste our time and effort for nothing. Basically it will bring us closer to the inevitable crisis of modern society and we will be forced to find a real solution much earlier than it would be needed otherwise. The only problem is that we know from history that every time such an existential crisis emerged before, it always started with chaos and wars and were followed by at least a century long dark age with significant population decline and even some entire countries no matter how great or powerful they were before getting wiped out almost completely and their territories getting near empty waiting for centuries to be repopulated by someone else again. But that is a minor issue of course. Some may even argue that by sacrificing all the billions of people for our next great ambition we will give some purpose and meaning to the otherwise completely worthless souls.

That was on Black Mirror. A lot that was on there will become reality, because we let it.

@@Okurka. I live in the Netherlands, so I know how they do it and it is already damaging regular bike lanes, let alone solar panel roads

@@Okurka. Do they even? Sweeping bikepaths from snow is a tertiary priorit it seems.

In the Netherlands, cycle paths will be swept after snow. It happens only a few days per year. And salt is used also, depending on the form of precipitation, on cycle paths from small vehcles. It's quite a high priority, because otherwise half the country can't get to their jobs.

But that doesn't allow for as much fraud and milk.

The powergrid probably can't even handle it as its overloaded nationwide. So less output is probably the smart thing to do.😂😂

The Netherlands and their people like a clean-looking environment. You will immediately notice that when you visit the country and compare it with the visual picture in many other countries. Overhead powerlines: we don't have any. Elevated roadways or railways (2-level highways): not something we generally have. etc etc. I am sure that when the typical test cyclepath which is alongside a road in the open countryside would be covered with a roof, lots of people would be against it. No matter if it covers from rain or provides solar power. That will be seen as a visual nuisance.

@@Rob2 Yes, they like a clean looking environment so much they put very ugly panels right in their bike path

@@kriss1_ I'm sure lots of people do not like the solar bike paths... but hesitate to argue against something promoted as "saving the environment". However, construction above the bike path is likely a bridge too far.

"Innovation"

@Okurka. I did - so it seems you can ;)

@@EEVblog Solar Freakin' Rooftops!

That's also a point that's hugely overlooked. Such a smooth, slippery surface really just poses unnecessary danger for anyone who uses them. I highly doubt that these glass panels provide any kind of grip, which asphalt does. Not to mention that they become even way more dangerous when they become wet during rain or even frozen in winter.

Don't have to worry about dirt and damage to the solar road when you have flying cars.

See I get this is a joke but that’s what these idiots think. There’s no doubt in my mind that with the right funding, and the right amount of time this could be achieved. Nothing is truly impossible. But as an engineer one must be able to ask themselves “is it worth it” and the answer is no. With all the money and time this will take to complete successfully the world would be able to go fully energy independent, with panels on every roof, household, doghouse, and more. All for what? Not much…. Thats the issue. It’s trying to solve a problem before that problem exists.

"You canna break the Laws of Physics" That's why it will never keep working when you put the panels on the ground.

@@LarixusSnydes There is no law of physics that says you can't put solar panels on the ground and have them make some electricity; and there's no law of physics that says you can't protect them. But it's a spectacularly shitty idea because it's insanely less efficient than other opportunities that we haven't come close to exhausting yet. Until every roof, every parking spot and every bus station canopy is covered to the brim with solar, you don't even need to consider converting your paved areas, and we're decades upon decades from that away.

@@SianaGearz This.

I hadn't thought of that, makes it all make that much more sense!

The problem is that the province is running a research project for a topic that any non-biased engineer can tell them BEFOREHAND is not going to work. But they get their information from companies and institutes that are funded by the money they have in their pockets. No wonder that those bring it as a project where research is needed. While it actually isn't: the answer is already known.

Especially over here... we had so much rain these last few months... crazyyyyy

It's really unbelievable that we now have 2024 and still there are people left on earth that believe that solar roads are a good idea that can work in any way, when everything that has actually been done since the idea first started (Btw. Solar Roadways was founded in 2006!) has shown that it cannot.

I dont think those tires are allowed in the netherlands on public roads

Macintosh at first was only a niche success, which isn't surprising, the available hardware at first didn't quite rise up to the level of ambition the system had. But it was also only a question of time that processors and memory would catch up, with available semiconductor capacity doubling every 1½ years. People were asking for what was to become the Apple IIGS at the time instead.

Nah thats too easy, Solar Crash Barriers

@@Okurka.what’s a city? Sounds like gay little city people problems

For all the money they’re wasting on this nonsense, they could just pay property owners to put solar panels on their buildings.

Why do we have little hearts?

@@ReinouddeLange summed up by @AWriterWandering. 'Bless their little hearts' a condescending yet sympathetic saying in the USA when someone continues to attempt something that is a known failure. Think, the complete opposite of flood control expertise.

Yeah we have some provincial government folks who are really enthousiastic about this stuff. Problem is those of us who know it won't work are too busy having a life to check all the planning and proposals and file objections etc.

@@ReinouddeLange It's an expression / idiom, somewhat condescending, when someone is trying, but failing.

Just some small artificial diamonds will not quite cut it though as you will still have gaps between them to fill and that is where the problem will emerge. But if you make entire panels out of a single huge thick diamond crystal then it will become possible!

Fundamentally, we can do something similar, we can grow large single crystals of clear sapphire. Unfortunately they are spectacularly slippery, so you can't drive on them. Walking is a difficulty as well. I heard one of Saudi palaces had synthetic sapphire floors somewhere, got them made by Soviet (Ukrainian, Kharkiv) scientists, cost unspeakable money, had to rip them out.

So true. That's what many people also don't get although it's not hard to understand: Solar panels laying flat are only useful in equator regions, where the sun often stands in zenith. In other regions of the world solar panels only provide sufficient energy if they are leaning towards the sun, that's why they are built that way in Europe and North America.

Yes, my mothers PV was installed in 1999 and they still work fine. And they are easy to recycle anyways.

It feels like simpleton futurism grift. The marketeers came up with an idea they could sell to capitalize on the green future, but never asked the engineers.

What happens to these in winter when those cycle paths are salted is going to be interesting, at best that will reduce the efficiency quite a bit.

Solar Freakin Rooftops!

@@Okurka. You're sure about that or did you just guess?

2x efficiency from the panels, another 2x from the cost, then count in longevity and availability of infrastructure (the electric grid is available at almost each building, with other consumers in the home or nearby). I'd say easily 10x more efficient to do rooftop.

Because it will create comfortable conditions for people and that will bring actual people there and where there are people there is always mess and mess is unsightly. Rich and important people who make the decisions do not like it. They want to see a beautiful and harmonious picture with a single beautiful bicyle on the whole perfectly clean and spotless new road during a nice shiny day. Everytging needs to look perfect. Adding any real infrastructure will make it look like some kind of a marketplace or a bus stop only some filthy peasants would custom and even a hint of such an idea is already displeasing and all other things being equal it will put your proposal right to the bottom of the stack.

Then you're taking up land. I think the point is to not take any extra space. You then have to mow or poison the grass around them. More chance of shadows. Possibly easier for people to steal copper wires from them. Most paths seem to have some space around them so i suppose it would be like a long skinny solar farm. But i think people also need to have nice place to go without everything being industrialised. At least the roof over tge path has advantages for riders and makes riding a more attractive option

Probably soon a sighn will be there stating 'slecht wegdek', 'fietsers afstappen'.

'Sustainable' means when cashflow is constant and always points to you. Right?