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Everything you ever wanted to know about how Multimeter input protection works.
Using the Fluke 27 as a baseline example.
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@svampebob007
@svampebob007 9 жыл бұрын
I like how you've manage to keep the same content quality over +700 videos! This was really informative without being too simplified or complicated! I've been watching your videos since I started my studies. I've learned so much from watching your videos over 5 years, there's only so much you can learn at school and there's only so many cases you can get at work :)
11 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best EEVblog episodes. A lot of this stuff in the previousones, but now I can understand everything finally! Thanks for that!
@PrimalEdge
@PrimalEdge 11 жыл бұрын
you're videos are addicting Dave, I work from home and just have your stuff running all day, love the new stuff, and the old videos are great to re-review.
@UberAlphaSirus
@UberAlphaSirus 11 жыл бұрын
Dave, your white board stuff clears up so many doubts I have on things I'm not used to. Thanks for sorting MOVs out for me.
@andersevenrud
@andersevenrud 11 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Dave for making all of these videos on how stuff works. You always manage to explain these advanced circuits and functions in a way that a beginner like myself can understand. Love your enthusiasm! Almost as if it's transmitted trough the screen, because every time I watch one of your videos my fingers start to itch for either creating something or tearing something apart!
@knoxpruett1889
@knoxpruett1889 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent, as usual! Your video's are the best! I am also an E.E. & E. hobbyist and still gain knowledge every time I watch one of your videos! I just can't acquire Science/Electronic knowledge fast enough, but you help a lot. There is so much fun stuff out there. Thank you very much!
@36trooper
@36trooper 11 жыл бұрын
This is one of the best channels on KZfaq. Dave you are awesome!
@Afrotechmods
@Afrotechmods 11 жыл бұрын
Great video one of my faves yet. I take it that one must also look at the I^2T rating of the fuse and make sure that it's guaranteed to pop first before the diode bridge goes up in flames?
@aicisha
@aicisha 3 жыл бұрын
Hi! Usually that's fast or ultrafast blowing fuse.
@viesturssilins858
@viesturssilins858 11 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Dave! I was very keen to learn more about this exact subject! You are the best!
@GalcoIndustrial
@GalcoIndustrial 11 жыл бұрын
Hi Dave, just wanted to say this video looks great and very informative. Just subscribed and look forward to seeing more of your videos.
@armenatorvan4949
@armenatorvan4949 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. I knew my meter was only good for CAT I (not the claimed CAT IV) but now I can see that despite the fuses, rectifier and PTCs, there's no MOVs or isolation, and fairly wimpy PCB tracks. Good to know exactly what's wrong.
@GalcoIndustrial
@GalcoIndustrial 11 жыл бұрын
I'll be sure to check them all out.
@jeremystone2016
@jeremystone2016 7 жыл бұрын
Thumbs way up! Best video series I've seen. Thank you very much.
@sysmatt
@sysmatt 11 жыл бұрын
Really good one Dave! ... And reading the automated transcript is hillarious poetry... 8:16isolation slots in the typically between input jacks between components 28:20southern white physically have a barrier between the vote is jack 28:24and ground all the at current jackson might physically have 29:56dammit sucked westphal at a certain and say will get his elbow teaching put 30:00jacket 30:01ceremony gently jack is going to get through a three point five kind while
@BaBOehOY
@BaBOehOY 10 жыл бұрын
Beautiful Video Dave! Thank you.
@akkudakkupl
@akkudakkupl 9 жыл бұрын
5:06 Been there, done that. Was measuring a 3F engine current (with a primitive switch per phase arrangement) and shunted 400V mains with the meter by mistake (NEVER TRY TO DO YOUR WORK TOO FAST!). Awful bang, lots of fear and a dead meter. Thankfully it didn't catch fire. And thankfully I didn't catch any amps.
@SolidStateWorkshop
@SolidStateWorkshop 11 жыл бұрын
YESS! Excellent video Dave!
@DanHaiduc
@DanHaiduc 5 жыл бұрын
15:55 is where the voltage, resistance, capacitance measurement part starts.
@grumss9248
@grumss9248 3 жыл бұрын
Thankyou Dave, watched half of this Vid and had a fluke 789 diagnosed in minutes! (input MOV X2 faulty)..
@kf7tkj
@kf7tkj 11 жыл бұрын
This was very informative and fun to watch! Thanks!
@KostadinIVKostadinov
@KostadinIVKostadinov 9 жыл бұрын
That really deserved the thumbs up. Idol!
@Lskaggs63
@Lskaggs63 9 жыл бұрын
Great video as always!
@exscape
@exscape 11 жыл бұрын
Awesome! More stuff like this (schematic walkthroughs for, well, anything)!
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 11 жыл бұрын
It's 100% gut busting humour every time it tries to interpret an Aussie accent!
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 11 жыл бұрын
Well, there is the recommended fuse of course. If you don't buy the "approved" one, then you are of course on your own and should consider stuff like that. But all quality brand HRC fuses should have a very similar rating in that respect.
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 11 жыл бұрын
That extra 1M tap measures the voltage drop.
@gamccoy
@gamccoy 11 жыл бұрын
Very good discussion. I am wondering if MOVs have supplanted crow bars with SCRs as the fastest type of protection?
@phonicwheel933
@phonicwheel933 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant explanation!
@KyleCarrington
@KyleCarrington 11 жыл бұрын
Great Video Dave
@philonyt
@philonyt 11 жыл бұрын
Excellent video covering something I've wanted to better understand, which this video definitely did for me. Would the input protection circuit on a 'scope look pretty much the same as on a multimeter voltage input or are there other considerations involved?
@ak47only
@ak47only 11 жыл бұрын
great video, thanks Dave!
@krisztianszirtes5414
@krisztianszirtes5414 8 жыл бұрын
Once I threw a 10A unfused range right across the mains... I kicked off two 16A breakers in series. Fun stuff.
6 жыл бұрын
3 times :s and a 180v motor while running. I Thought I understood multimeters lol
@AV1461
@AV1461 11 жыл бұрын
Great video, love it when you do vieeos like this
@aicisha
@aicisha 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for teaching us this stuff! How is the ADC reading the voltage drop on the amps range? Is the drawing incomplete?
@JPWack
@JPWack 11 жыл бұрын
Dave, you underestimate dramatically how addictive your videos are, or how addictive is knowledge for that matter. It's 0009 here, so there is some time :P
@mikeadler434
@mikeadler434 2 жыл бұрын
Great job!, I enjoyed this video! 🙂
@DarkLevis
@DarkLevis 11 жыл бұрын
Epic vid, these type videos are the best! :)
@44R0Ndin
@44R0Ndin 10 жыл бұрын
CTIMEPRODUCTIONS It will certainly help out the overall safety of the meter as a whole, but if the meter originally came with a glass fuse in it, chances are it's a lower quality meter anyways. If the fuse goes on a cheap meter because you connected it across the mains, chances are the meter is going to be toast. Using an HRC fuse instead of a glass fuse won't prevent that, but it will prevent that fuse from throwing arc plasma and/or shrapnel around the inside of the meter case. That could mean the difference between a startled but unharmed meter user, and a crispy critter!
@ratburger12345
@ratburger12345 11 жыл бұрын
Hi Dave, interesting video, thank you. A few weeks back I needed to come up with transient-proof voltage input stage, and what did I use for reference? Fluke 87 schematic of course from the service manual :P
@clems6989
@clems6989 8 жыл бұрын
A fellow engineer had borrowed my DMM to calibrate an transducer of 4-20ma. He left the leads plugged into the milliamp jacks, I used this same meter later without checking the lead configuration, across the mains of a 575VAC buss. ...Yeah B O O M !!! The meter exploded in my hands. This was a Greenlee meter, not the highest quality but a decent meter.
@saharasahara814
@saharasahara814 Жыл бұрын
Still very useful even a decade later
@ironman7261
@ironman7261 8 жыл бұрын
l have several pieces of junk that have served me well thank you very much and have never blown anything up but did like the video in your teardowns you point things out put do not always explain in detail why they are there as you did here
@ronaldlijs
@ronaldlijs 11 жыл бұрын
Good video, very well explained = very well understood!
@garrywilliams3548
@garrywilliams3548 9 жыл бұрын
EEVblog , question for you. Can you build the circuit at 22.11 for the ptc and mov's etc in a seperate box with leads to go into your DMM that you can then plug your leads into externaly and still be protected so it is between your leads and the DMM ?. Retro fitting is ok I guess if you want extra protection and surety IF it would work.
@andrelange9877
@andrelange9877 4 жыл бұрын
How does the ohms range protection work agains external voltage? How can it measure low resistance values like 0.1ohm across this several kilo-ohm input circuit?
@dhpbear2
@dhpbear2 6 жыл бұрын
How do you measure amps? Switch to mA range?
@sbreheny
@sbreheny 11 жыл бұрын
How does the meter measure ohms accurately if there is a 1k PTC and 3.5k wirewound resistor in series with the input?
@drpsht
@drpsht 11 жыл бұрын
that particular ADC can handle voltages up to ( 0.5~0.7V x 6 ) = 3~4.2V on the input, so it clamps at that level. If it couldn't (needn't) handle more than 2V, they would have put 3 diodes (bridge+1 extra).
@eternalblue2119
@eternalblue2119 9 жыл бұрын
I have never blown a fuse. Check the meter and input jacks used before measuring.
@svampebob007
@svampebob007 9 жыл бұрын
***** You haven't measured enough, or you are really, really careful :)
@snillboy
@snillboy 8 жыл бұрын
Hi, Is there any way to upgrade input protection on UNI-T UT61E? Maybe by upgrading some of components, or adding som extra? If there is a way please guide me to it. Thanks
@truckerallikatuk
@truckerallikatuk 9 жыл бұрын
Dave Jones does multimeter input protection. AKA Unsafe at any voltage :D
@qusaish94
@qusaish94 6 жыл бұрын
Hello I want to ask, i have measured current by connect multimeter with wall outlet in parallel instead of series, so i replaced one fuse and still not working 😐😐 Wens 52 multimeter
@CTIMEPRODUCTIONS
@CTIMEPRODUCTIONS 10 жыл бұрын
If a DMM has glass fuses will putting a HRC fuse in it work?
@8594able
@8594able 6 жыл бұрын
Why can't a zener diodes in back to back configuration be used instead of the diode bridge for the current protection. Is it because the diode bridges have a greater PIV(Peak Inverse Voltage) than the Zener Diodes? Great Tutorial by the way !
@ajitc.s4259
@ajitc.s4259 5 жыл бұрын
Same Question asked here (10 questions above). But I will add to answers. 1. Obviously Zener is not as fast a signal-diode or even a rectfiier-diode. 2. More imporantly the knee is not as sharp as diode for the zener V-I characteristic. So it leaks current very much before it reaches its breakdown voltage. This affects uA range reading , since some uA from probe is not flowing thru shunt resistor. Whereas for diode practically no current (or nA/pA) flows at V< 0.5V.
@piyushpv
@piyushpv 8 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, I have a question , why not use 3.6v 2 zener diode inspite of using those 8 diode ?
@johnclawed
@johnclawed 6 жыл бұрын
A zener is not as fast.
@syntesen
@syntesen 6 жыл бұрын
The Zener diode will not clamp in time, and therefore it does not protect well.
@milos1993milos
@milos1993milos 11 жыл бұрын
Why in current protection circuit is there bridge + 4 diodes and not just 2 reverse zener diodes ?
@lifeai1889
@lifeai1889 2 жыл бұрын
im curious about what will hapen if you stick it in mains at ohm range
@ThisIsNotAVideo
@ThisIsNotAVideo Жыл бұрын
Do they do anything different for Megger meters (megaohm meters)? I'm interested in measuring moisture in wood which is in the 1-20,000 megaohm range.
@H3adcrash
@H3adcrash 11 жыл бұрын
My DMM got a combined V,Ohm, Hz,Capacitance, mA and µA jack. and it was 250 bucks! :P So there are some midrange DMMs that still got combined jacks. I'm not a HUGE fan of the combined jacks. But by now i'm used to it. So it's ok. The DMM is a APPA 82 btw. Very nice and solid DMM for the money.
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 11 жыл бұрын
No, it goes through the mA shunt
@drpsht
@drpsht 11 жыл бұрын
I was referring to my own meter, 200mA scale. I'd have to measure it's impedance on mA, but if it's below 0.7V / 200mA = 3.5ohm, than it looks ok.
@Y0084240M
@Y0084240M 7 жыл бұрын
Porque tengo problema con un multiters UN-T58C, no mide VAC en ninguna escala. Gracias
@aptsys
@aptsys 11 жыл бұрын
On the mA range, at 440mA the voltage could be 2.2V at the input to the ADC. 2 diodes wouldn't be enough.
@michaelhaub4486
@michaelhaub4486 8 ай бұрын
How is the A range shunt voltage connected to the internal voltage meter? Your range switch has no position for the A range. If you want to measure few mikro amps, the current through the diode bridge will add error.
@alperenalperen2458
@alperenalperen2458 8 жыл бұрын
you're good Dave :D
@rubenangel6746
@rubenangel6746 8 жыл бұрын
Muy bureno sus videos!!! una pregunta que proteccion tiene un multimetro al medir continuidad a un fusible presumiblemente quemado y con tension??? gracias y saludos
@rgones
@rgones 8 жыл бұрын
En principio, el modo de continuidad de un multímetro es el mismo que el de resistencia, pero con un distinto modo del ADC (velocidad en vez de precisión). Aún así, si estás midiendo un fusible, en principio no hay ningún problema. Aunque el fusible esté conectado a 220v, no vas a medir ningun voltaje (= diferencial) grande. Sería igual que meter las dos sondas en el mismo conector de un enchufe, casi 0V. Ya esté quemado el fusible o no.
@Deckardsvr
@Deckardsvr 11 жыл бұрын
Hi Dave, does a Mov act like a Surge Arrester ? (without reset functionality) can i assume that a Mov is doing the opposite function of a fuse ? great Video btw :)
@boastt
@boastt 11 жыл бұрын
When would one use MOVs instead of zeners?
@etothejtheta
@etothejtheta 11 жыл бұрын
What about TVS diodes? How would they help/hinder input circuitry?
@Mihai1174
@Mihai1174 Жыл бұрын
What happens if i conect probes between Amps input jack and Volts input jack ,and try to measure something on Amps scale? I will damage the multimeter?
@Ju00Ls
@Ju00Ls 11 жыл бұрын
Superb!
@douglas2lee929
@douglas2lee929 2 жыл бұрын
Please do Polyfuse tutorial. Thanks
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 11 жыл бұрын
Yes, provided you don't exceed their energy limit and destroy them. They are designed to reset.
@danielkotlyarchuk6384
@danielkotlyarchuk6384 5 жыл бұрын
Hi! I'm little confused about this monster protection diode bridge with many diodes... Why they can't simply connect bidirection TVS , couple of power zeners or something like that? OK TVS might be not a very good idea for long time pulses but it looks like very cheap way to solve the same problem...
@achemachew
@achemachew 11 жыл бұрын
Great video Dave! Now I know that my crap Radio Shack multimeter doesn't have input protection or fuses. I guess that's what I get for $14.99. Speaking of blowing the crap out of your meter, I remember I used to blow up electrolytic capacitors.
@reubot0
@reubot0 11 жыл бұрын
Did you forget to add the link to the manual?
@MrMac5150
@MrMac5150 11 жыл бұрын
very very good video this one thumbs up
@scoutjonas
@scoutjonas 4 жыл бұрын
If you want to measure current in the negative/grounded output wire from an isolated dc/dc converter, but by misstake puts the range switch to volt instead of current... The fluke will burn... My friend tried that on a 1 Amp, 100 kV dc/dc :-D
@JustinHPhoto
@JustinHPhoto 11 жыл бұрын
So by that chart of cat ratings, is cat III better than cat 4? It said it handles 1000v working voltage and the peak impulse transient is 8000v (same as cat 4). Or am i missing something?
@Keep-Exploring128
@Keep-Exploring128 11 жыл бұрын
thanks for the nice video ...
@tomallen100
@tomallen100 8 жыл бұрын
Good video
@GiorgioCapocasa
@GiorgioCapocasa 11 жыл бұрын
Awesome! And just in time too: I need a new multimeter for current measurements... I'll be scanning eBay for those old yellow Flukes (; Also, could anyone suggest a cheap (or better yet DIY) inductor meter?
@excavatoree
@excavatoree 11 жыл бұрын
I've directed many people to Dave's videos who ask me about such things.
@dankahn5707
@dankahn5707 6 ай бұрын
I am working on an HP E2378A DVM. It was dropped and now the Resistance measurements only indicate OL or 0.00 when the leads are shorted. All other measurements of resistance indicate 0.00 Inspecting the internals show a section of the PCB that has something labeled "PTC" The connections to the PCB are about 3/8" apart and there appears to be residue on the leads. Do you have any idea what the PTC is and a replacement part? Thank you in advance for replying.
@phaedra9698
@phaedra9698 4 жыл бұрын
Here we see the damage from high voltage/current on the Volts setting (so most fuses and diode bridges not in play). "EEVblog #84 - High Energy Multimeter Destruction" kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g5N2jbNiupjIm4E.html
@aptsys
@aptsys 11 жыл бұрын
Where you've labelled mA on the whiteboard should say mA and A then?
@jamesblack8763
@jamesblack8763 11 жыл бұрын
do MOVs reset themselves?
@garfieldnate
@garfieldnate 6 жыл бұрын
I didn't understand the bridge explanation. If it's there to take some load off of the the resistor, why not just use another resistor instead of a bridge?
@ajitc.s4259
@ajitc.s4259 5 жыл бұрын
If u wrongly apply, Voltage directly to Current-jack, especially uA/mA current jack, it takes a few milliseconds or even few seconds for the fuse to blow, depending on the strength of voltage & resistor-shunt value. Two things can happen before that. The sensing electronics directly feels full voltage & can get damaged, Or/and the shunt resistor get damaged/smoked or vaporized. The diode bridge prevents this. It limits voltage across the shunt to (N*0.6V). Also to sense electronics inside.
@yasswaddah4098
@yasswaddah4098 7 жыл бұрын
current and temperature (if meter has one)
@Aeduo
@Aeduo 11 жыл бұрын
It's kind of scary some of the crazy unsafe stuff out there that sometimes even falsely labels itself as having some kind of rating, when in reality, it probably would blow up or start on fire just connected to an electrical outlet.
@EdWatts
@EdWatts 9 жыл бұрын
OK. What do we do,now, with our" captured" solar power...?
@Y0084240M
@Y0084240M 7 жыл бұрын
El video esta bueno. que posibilidad de coclocar video con subtítulo en ESPAÑOL.( BARQUISIMETO - VENEZUELA)
@EEVblog
@EEVblog 11 жыл бұрын
You only have 370 vids to catch up on!
@IsaacGetto1
@IsaacGetto1 6 жыл бұрын
what's with all the right angle traces?
@crazyphil7782
@crazyphil7782 5 жыл бұрын
Laziness
@fabiuh991
@fabiuh991 11 жыл бұрын
5:08 well, it caused a big bang all right lol i forgot to change the plus probe to the volts plug PUFFF
@ekkrir
@ekkrir 11 жыл бұрын
I've got a great cheap china made multimeter with "cat II" rating, 10A current range is unfused, all input jacks go through less than 10mm wide pcb (3 jacks in a row) and the pcb quality is horrible, I might send it to you for teardown and some other stuff for review.
@thegoodhen
@thegoodhen 10 жыл бұрын
Hm... Very interesting! But... I don't understand how come the ambient temperature doesn't affect the PTC and thus also the measurment...
@0MoTheG
@0MoTheG 8 жыл бұрын
Because it is in series with a way bigger resistor and there is very little current.
@stargazer7644
@stargazer7644 7 жыл бұрын
It would, but at the ambient temperature that would affect the PTC, the case would begin to melt.
@ramzaii476
@ramzaii476 6 жыл бұрын
excelent, I don´t speak english but I understand everyting
@VTeslaV
@VTeslaV 7 жыл бұрын
How does the protection work when in resistance measuring mode? In resistance measuring mode it has a little current source, how is this current source protected against high voltages?
@f-s-r
@f-s-r 5 жыл бұрын
37:17 bang! it blows your damn hand off!! :D Damn, i LOL with that one! :D
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