EGM Grand Final- TheViper vs DauT [Game 3]

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ZeroEmpires

ZeroEmpires

7 жыл бұрын

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The Escape Gaming Masters Age of Empires 2, Rise of the Rajas tournament continues with TheViper vs DauT
Casters: ZeroEmpires & T90Official
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@hectorpalomerapelayo214
@hectorpalomerapelayo214 4 жыл бұрын
“After loosing two town centers a lot of people would have called gg” Me: “An enemy scout passes through my town center” -gg
@miranuzeri979
@miranuzeri979 7 жыл бұрын
man this was just like the greatest comeback of aoe history
@tuomaspuranen9273
@tuomaspuranen9273 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was ready to stop watching because I thought there was no hope anymore
@livelyentertainment1470
@livelyentertainment1470 7 жыл бұрын
i always think like that, but then i remember the video length :) great game
@thegeneral19
@thegeneral19 6 жыл бұрын
lol not at all, i've seen worse ( better) from just online play with 6 hour games and having 1 vil and coming back to win, cant believe no enemies quit or disconnected after 6 hours either (i've also had a 4 hours game of aoe 3) im 1840 elo on hd and captain on aoe 3 so i know how to play too
@Kaervek87
@Kaervek87 6 жыл бұрын
Man, I had a crazy comeback game recently. 4v4 BF. We crushed 3 out of 4, but 2 rebuilt and just flooded us with skirms.. just couldn't stop the flood haha
@B3Band
@B3Band 7 жыл бұрын
"I guess ballistics works for cannons now" "No, it's just my micro" :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
@DanielRuiz93
@DanielRuiz93 7 жыл бұрын
Bloodbath and Beyond fakin mastapiece
@Desh282
@Desh282 5 жыл бұрын
The ultimate salt!
@TheTZmedia
@TheTZmedia 7 жыл бұрын
"No it's just my micro" - TheViper xD
@dragovern
@dragovern 6 жыл бұрын
Looooooool
@kevinvince2011
@kevinvince2011 7 жыл бұрын
at 21:00 I was thinking: why is there still 20 mins left in this video? Most unreal comeback! Good job Viper!
@martindeje9877
@martindeje9877 7 жыл бұрын
the viper is fuckin legend
@WillofDmusic
@WillofDmusic 6 жыл бұрын
This match should've been playing in history classes for explaining how a group of gunmen conquered the Inca Empire.
@kostas_ts
@kostas_ts 7 жыл бұрын
Only Viper could comeback from this... Only Viper can cause a top player like Daut lose like that... Scary.
@livelyentertainment1470
@livelyentertainment1470 7 жыл бұрын
his macro is fucking mental
@haliax8149
@haliax8149 6 жыл бұрын
He's very defeatable, if only people would look to creative method
@kiriseraph9674
@kiriseraph9674 5 жыл бұрын
The Viper is very aggressive normally, and has amazing micro, but he's also very reckless with his units and his strategy is usually very straightforward as well. Playing against him is like playing against a super AI with amazing micro that sometimes lacks the ability to judge when it is putting it's units in too much danger. TheViper gave Daut way too many opportunities to flatten his hand cannons, and it's sheer luck, or bad luck depending on who you were rooting for, that Daut missed almost everytime. Although given the civ choices and that it was post-imp I doubt it wouldve made any difference by that point even if he hit, but Viper is generally very reckless in his playstyle, he's the real Hero killer >.
@TheDeLiXx
@TheDeLiXx 7 жыл бұрын
Tbh, the only reason viper was able to come back, was due to his way superior initial map
@leocurious9919
@leocurious9919 6 жыл бұрын
This! Why is this comment so far down? The only reason he was able to "not lose" was the unbalanced map. DauT even won the first game with a crapy map.
@richardvlasek2445
@richardvlasek2445 5 жыл бұрын
yeah it's not even the first time i've seen viper come back with an insane map on arena
@FajorMuckup
@FajorMuckup 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, but he also chose this strategy because of his map. So it's a good map for him, but the come back itself isn't lucky.
@kikolapersona
@kikolapersona 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. And also, Daut had 5 relics.
@Innuendoh
@Innuendoh 5 жыл бұрын
"DauT is just magnificent, he has WON this game!" "Erm... I never doubted Viper's comeback!" ;)
@jarkkovahamaa7272
@jarkkovahamaa7272 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah Mr. ZeroEmpire is quite quick to call the game! :D
@heidevolk_le_gueux
@heidevolk_le_gueux 7 жыл бұрын
They re-made the european conquistadoras.
@majungasaurusaaaa
@majungasaurusaaaa 7 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: The bulk of Cortez's infantry were swordsmen. But yes, gunpowder was crucial.
@peterpeterson4800
@peterpeterson4800 7 жыл бұрын
swordsmen are still superior to natives that don't have iron
@Sarg-zm6jy
@Sarg-zm6jy 7 жыл бұрын
They did have obsidian though, did they not? I'd be much more afraid of obsidian than I would be iron.
@peterpeterson4800
@peterpeterson4800 7 жыл бұрын
The didn't have armor, but they had wooden swords with obsidian edges, bows with obsidian arrowheads and. Obsidian is very sharp, but also very brittle, so it will break after the first strike against armor.
@majungasaurusaaaa
@majungasaurusaaaa 7 жыл бұрын
They did have armor. People underestimate how effective non metal armor was. I bet it's the most used form of armor in all civs. But due to the material rotting away we've found little.
@KingStix
@KingStix 4 жыл бұрын
Why does Viper map have so much space in the back? Kinda unlucky for DauT
@phannguyen7196
@phannguyen7196 2 жыл бұрын
I always go watch some aoe matches after learning some jungling meta from your channel lmao xD
@RB-fp8hn
@RB-fp8hn 7 жыл бұрын
The same legend who made the tech switch to Indian cavalry archers didn't make the almost obvious tech switch to skirmishers here? I don't get it. I am a Daut fan, in case that wasn't obvious already :P
@imagine1st381
@imagine1st381 7 жыл бұрын
rofl, onagers getting rekt? lets make more and it'll prob work. eagle warriors getting rekt? nope gotta make more it'll work for sure
@KeNi666
@KeNi666 7 жыл бұрын
Great final. Amazing. Great work ZE, T90, Res, Nilpfer and Memb. Love how this game has kept popularity after sooo many years. Keep it up!!
@tudvari6406
@tudvari6406 7 жыл бұрын
I say this here too: Zoom at the interesting things in instant replay (and a bigger area for it would be nice too :D )
@pelthain2385
@pelthain2385 7 жыл бұрын
Love Zero and T90, favourite casters now together at last!
@ThePassle
@ThePassle 7 жыл бұрын
Loving the tournament (+the frequency of uploads!) and the commentary from the co-casters alongside analysis from nilpferd, makes it that much more interesting to watch. Insane game by viper too, if anyone could comeback from that situation, its him and his OP micro.
@Thejaycee74
@Thejaycee74 6 жыл бұрын
Really enjoying the games and commentary from this series, fantastic stuff guys :)
@IamRayson
@IamRayson 7 жыл бұрын
Daut really should have used the siege tower in castle age and sent the first ten eagles over the top and got to Imp while raiding. And like Zack said, go Skirms.
@Tocaraca
@Tocaraca 6 жыл бұрын
That would've been hilarious 11
@whatsmynameagain7774
@whatsmynameagain7774 4 жыл бұрын
This is quite possibly the best commentary for any game community
@peterpeterson4800
@peterpeterson4800 7 жыл бұрын
I thaught it was over at about 20 minutes, and than the viper was just reborn from the ashes of his base, like a pheonix, and he killed those eagle warriors with deadly fire from those handcanons. How is this game so dramatic? you could make a movie out of this!
@EpicTubah
@EpicTubah 7 жыл бұрын
That was the best thing I've seen this year :')
@Chr1551
@Chr1551 7 жыл бұрын
Why didnt Daut switch into the skirmishers with unlimitted range countering Viper's gold units with a strong trash spam? That eagle & onager combo was useless against the Portugeuse once he was pushed back from his intitial attack. Seems like Daut hasn't done his research on the new civs: Portuguese or Incas. Surprising since he played Indians so well in the first game.
@majungasaurusaaaa
@majungasaurusaaaa 7 жыл бұрын
Trash spam needs farms. Remember, Daut was fast imping with a weak eco behind all that. There was nothing he could have done once his fast imp push/raid failed. It's high risk, high reward.
@rogeriocardoso8258
@rogeriocardoso8258 6 жыл бұрын
I guess he had enough time to build some farms, collect some food and produce at least 10 or 12 skirmishers. That would have ended the game early.
@Jimmy911ism
@Jimmy911ism 5 жыл бұрын
Chr1551 Maybe you can only choose a civ once in match?
@ageofnumbersyt8557
@ageofnumbersyt8557 7 жыл бұрын
It doesnt really matter how many the players put on berries since they`ll be used 100%. Yes they have less food early but the same amount of food when it actually matters. They don`t use food execept for creating vills/upgrades and clicking up, as long as that amount of food is available to them it doesnt matter when they use their berries. (Those additional 3 villagers on berries are gonna be earlier on farms because the berries are finished earlier vs. the traditional 5berry villagers later on farms)
@rz257
@rz257 7 жыл бұрын
Yea but the rate that berries are collected are the slowest of all the food resources. 18 food per minute vs 22 for Boar or Deer
@ageofnumbersyt8557
@ageofnumbersyt8557 7 жыл бұрын
You didn`t understand my comment. Easy assumption: a) 1 Villager hunts a deer and is then tasked to collect from a berrybush vs. b) 1 Villager collects from a berrybush and is then tasked to hunt a deer. The time spent and the food gathered is the same. The food in the bank is higher earlier in a) than it is in b). But it is the same in the end. As long as you have enough food to do all things required (vill production/upgrades/clicking up) it doesnt matter what order you choose. Hope that clears things up.
@TheWolfnman
@TheWolfnman 7 жыл бұрын
It does, actually. When you're going for a very quick age up, you need the resources to be at hand as soon as the buildings are up. I am assuming you're talking specifically for this case, but the easiest example would be doing a fast feudal - one where you do a standard distribution will help you click up much sooner than putting a lot more vills on berries.
@obuw1
@obuw1 7 жыл бұрын
You make a good point, but your assumption that the berries will be used 100% is not always correct. I see players leaving berries around and switching to farms in a lot of these games. (Viper still had a few berry bushes left in this one). In a typical old school build order you usually go for berries after you click up, and then put down your first farms in feudal age once you get the mill upgrade. But top players deviate a lot from this ofc, to match their needs and map conditions.
@ageofnumbersyt8557
@ageofnumbersyt8557 7 жыл бұрын
I think i didn`t phrase it well, i should ve written "If they`ll be used 100%, then it won`t matter". You`re absolutly correct that the result will deviate if they don`t use all the berries. I`m not around for long so i have no clue about old build orders. But i haven`t seen any pro player leave berries. (In this game it was actually an additional berrypatch)
@dirt_diver13
@dirt_diver13 7 жыл бұрын
Why are you torturing us, man?! Giving us games one at a time...Some of us have addiction to satisfy by watching these with your commentary. Looking forward to the tournament this weekend! Keep it real!
@shivdmanwii
@shivdmanwii 7 жыл бұрын
If he release all the games at once you can tell who won the set based on the number of games and who won the first few. This way anyone who is unaware of the result gets to experience the excitement of not knowing the result.
@dirt_diver13
@dirt_diver13 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah go ahead with your reasonable conclusion and smart answer. I hope you are happy :)
@dhwanit16
@dhwanit16 7 жыл бұрын
They can always upload dummy videos to prevent this from happening. Memb does it all the time. Uploading 1 at a time is so dissatisfying.
@runescapefan0001
@runescapefan0001 7 жыл бұрын
Dirt Diver go watch the twitch vods
@erickauffmann_official
@erickauffmann_official 6 жыл бұрын
I love these videos! Although i'd suggest if you can to improve your mics as we can only hear one of the commentators audio properly
@batuhanpolat2902
@batuhanpolat2902 4 жыл бұрын
Both you guys extremely great commentators!
@MT-bp7ub
@MT-bp7ub 5 жыл бұрын
Fantastic game! What a comeback!
@mattbraynard
@mattbraynard 6 жыл бұрын
Portuguese versus Incas: the result of this battle is historically accurate.
@et34t34fdf
@et34t34fdf 4 ай бұрын
How the game changed in the span of like a minute was incredible.
@samosa9488
@samosa9488 7 жыл бұрын
Waiting for game 4 and 5 Please upload
@tommydearinger8746
@tommydearinger8746 7 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know how to reduce the multiplayer lag? I am getting major delays in actions even when hosting and I have over 50Mbps and less than 24ms ping...
@patricknerb6284
@patricknerb6284 7 жыл бұрын
HI! First of all great game! Would like to be able to play like this... I got two questions: 1. How do you manage to play this resolution? I play the HD version on steam but I'm not able to get this resolution... Is it possible there? 2. Can I join voobly with the installed aoe from steam? Thanks 4 help ;)
@LakierosJordy
@LakierosJordy 6 жыл бұрын
I think this game perfectly demonstrates how much of a fucking god Viper is at AoE
@micheledellaira4306
@micheledellaira4306 6 жыл бұрын
Never saw such an awesome comeback, gg Vipah
@neilldn74
@neilldn74 7 жыл бұрын
Where is game 4?
@fabiankeller831
@fabiankeller831 7 жыл бұрын
Watching the Viper win doesn't get old for me :D That guy is the god of AOE2
@DerRabe3000
@DerRabe3000 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent game, congrats to both players ... "i guess its just Micro" LOL .. and strategic Arqebus pick
@futbolluva
@futbolluva 7 жыл бұрын
"Daut's only chance is a massive onager shot on my hand cannons? Better sit them under all his siege workshops" - Best AOE player in the world lol at least those bombard cannons are so ridiculously OP that he could brute strength it
@misterioes89
@misterioes89 7 жыл бұрын
insane comeback. very underrated game.
@RobertHo987
@RobertHo987 7 жыл бұрын
haha how so underrated? its been uploaded 1 hour ago
@B3Band
@B3Band 7 жыл бұрын
Robert Ho That's not what underrated means.
@RobertHo987
@RobertHo987 7 жыл бұрын
What do you think it means?
@Krownyh
@Krownyh 7 жыл бұрын
Maybe he meant Aoe2, in the general sense
@misterioes89
@misterioes89 7 жыл бұрын
Well, it has 166 likes and 1 dislike. So I mean it's very underrated, as it was such a good game.
@A_Red_December
@A_Red_December 6 жыл бұрын
Are these matches done on 1.5x speed? Or is it just a replay run at 1.5x?
@OkInsanity
@OkInsanity 7 жыл бұрын
So where's game 4 and 5? Or atleast 4 pending the outcome
@vOddy75
@vOddy75 7 жыл бұрын
Should accuracy on bombard cannons be nerfed?
@misterioes89
@misterioes89 7 жыл бұрын
did viper play any feitorias? I want to see pros use them for once :(
@TheDocValerian
@TheDocValerian 7 жыл бұрын
man, what a game.... huge!
@christantonugrohosir802
@christantonugrohosir802 5 ай бұрын
What a comeback!
@istvanedis3329
@istvanedis3329 5 жыл бұрын
wow the game shows that the viper has so much experience i dont believed he win but he turned the tides what an amazing and surprisimg game
@edsherwook5196
@edsherwook5196 Жыл бұрын
Man I didn’t think it would be possible to come back from something like that
@Desh282
@Desh282 5 жыл бұрын
Game of the decade!!!!
@Djuntas
@Djuntas 7 жыл бұрын
Yup...this is like the better game for me in a while. Its viper on arena, a map he dosent like too much with a sick come back :)
@tannguyentuhoang5199
@tannguyentuhoang5199 6 жыл бұрын
Extremely great Viper. Unbeliveble that you can comback with strong shots. Daut I think will be very angry!
@22Lycans
@22Lycans 7 жыл бұрын
DauT had 8 vills on Berries cus he didnt want to place farms but needed the food to go up. He had to save wood for his Monastery and to save him the option to go a 2. TC. Viper on the other hand had 8 vills there for the same reason. I think its to save options and not to use the wood to early.
@neilldn74
@neilldn74 7 жыл бұрын
That's maybe the best comeback I have ever seen - he lost 2 tcs, was down to just one. I thought he was dead
@eifelitorn
@eifelitorn 7 жыл бұрын
Viper has had some crazy comebacks in arena, love it. Feel bad for DauT lol, he had this game in the bag, but god dam that BC ballistics is unreal.
@blackhairedgees
@blackhairedgees 6 жыл бұрын
What gives bombard canons balistics ?
@SalamiSteve
@SalamiSteve 7 жыл бұрын
Berries are a slightly faster resource gathering than farms in dark age if you take into account the exchange for wood. Elite Eagles w/ 4+6 pierce still die in 4 shots.
@bryanandrews1652
@bryanandrews1652 7 жыл бұрын
Where's the spectator dashboard Zac?
@blacklotus13
@blacklotus13 7 жыл бұрын
..so where is game 4 and 5?
@luismiguelandrew
@luismiguelandrew 7 жыл бұрын
How can I play this game? Voobly? Hamachi? or what website?
@NoTLucas
@NoTLucas 7 жыл бұрын
luismiguel andrew its avaiable on steam and goes into sale frequently : D
@lollylegsgruff
@lollylegsgruff 7 жыл бұрын
Siege ram from the inca to soak up the fire to let him lose the gapcould have helped in that situation but it was an uphill fight for daut, was an awesome game
@ActionableFreedom
@ActionableFreedom 6 жыл бұрын
Guys. We dont need to see the replays, we have a playback function ourselves.
@jessehenrique4343
@jessehenrique4343 4 жыл бұрын
What a game
@timmmyyb
@timmmyyb 7 жыл бұрын
awesome game
@Imperatorumgladio
@Imperatorumgladio 7 жыл бұрын
that was amazing
@marlonreich9542
@marlonreich9542 5 жыл бұрын
why does it matters how many villagers are on berries ? isnt it more the question if you collect berries yes or no?
@Birdland11
@Birdland11 6 жыл бұрын
incredible
@alnaserameer9353
@alnaserameer9353 7 жыл бұрын
Wow how hard was it to make skirms?!!
@elfuego121212
@elfuego121212 5 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed that HC micro
@samirberjaoui
@samirberjaoui 7 жыл бұрын
Viper, you sir are a Legend! #DareToViper
@NehemiahJacobCoder
@NehemiahJacobCoder 7 жыл бұрын
Who's the third voice? Are his opinions reliable?
@negativezer0556
@negativezer0556 7 жыл бұрын
Nehemiah Jacob milferd and yes very reliable
@StarStar-wx4tf
@StarStar-wx4tf 3 жыл бұрын
SuperB match
@sinekonata
@sinekonata 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I wanted the skirmishers too but he was a bit low on TCs and vils to be honest so it might have been a trickle more than a flood. But then again, maybe that's better too since a flood would die harder to cannons.
@wojtek161093
@wojtek161093 7 жыл бұрын
watching at phone, icon of knight occlude minimap, this a little irritating
@michaelignite8598
@michaelignite8598 4 жыл бұрын
How much difficult it is to switch to skirms and mass them against hand cannoneers? Daut was so stubborn with eagles and onagers and got hard countered by Viper. 50% of this match was pointless, like Daut wanted to loose on purpuse. Not to mention that Incas have really good skirms. Can someone explain this to me?
@dlc85007
@dlc85007 2 жыл бұрын
Greatest come back of all aoe time
@Attila8489
@Attila8489 6 жыл бұрын
29:31 the voice of the death
@tomilehto8573
@tomilehto8573 7 жыл бұрын
when EGM2 will start today?
@ZeroEmpires
@ZeroEmpires 7 жыл бұрын
15GMT
@marlonreich9542
@marlonreich9542 5 жыл бұрын
why isnt he taking down the tree line? is that forbidden?
@marlonreich9542
@marlonreich9542 5 жыл бұрын
its a lot faster then sieging walls
@nathhunt8298
@nathhunt8298 7 жыл бұрын
that was the most interesting game
@nessesaryschoolthing
@nessesaryschoolthing 7 жыл бұрын
Guns countering American civs makes perfect sense, so pretty much DauT could only do what he did here, which was try to attack as quickly as possible, which, on Arena, is unfortunately pretty late. He did about as well as I think he could with the small window of opportunity he had, but the Viper had the advantage of the extra space so he didn't lose his vils, so it wasn't a finishing blow. Kind of hurts to see such an uneven match up after the last game, but hey, that's just where the dice land.
@SirComsicion
@SirComsicion 7 жыл бұрын
The map looks like the escape gaming logo!
@rubengargano3369
@rubengargano3369 4 жыл бұрын
The bite of The Viper!!
@IknewwJessus
@IknewwJessus 7 жыл бұрын
Nice game
@OrionTekken
@OrionTekken 7 жыл бұрын
I really don't understand why DauT kept up eagle production when it was so clear TheViper was massing hand cannons. At the point when he was pushed out of TheViper's base he easily had enough time to mass a counter composition.
@Weneeraun
@Weneeraun 7 жыл бұрын
great game ;)
@Dpmt
@Dpmt 7 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the Viper ever considered feitorias? The stone and gold trickle could have been useful during his push back.
@B3Band
@B3Band 7 жыл бұрын
Watch Spirit of the Law's video on them. Probably not worth the 20 population.
@darkshark9137
@darkshark9137 5 жыл бұрын
Comback 🔥🔥🔥🔥
@wittyjoker4631
@wittyjoker4631 6 жыл бұрын
Id like to see daut with a map advantage for a change
@hurtigheinz3790
@hurtigheinz3790 5 жыл бұрын
Warum rülps da einer ständig?
@AnimeFan-dl4qd
@AnimeFan-dl4qd Жыл бұрын
4:00 that was the sister of T90... That German humor
@Kxoe559
@Kxoe559 7 жыл бұрын
Skirms with courriers would be like huskarls :)
@PaulOsbornesChannel
@PaulOsbornesChannel 7 жыл бұрын
Daut should have used an onager early on to cut through some trees and do some more raiding. Force Viper back into his base after he pushed Daut out.
@Napoleon_Blownapart
@Napoleon_Blownapart 6 жыл бұрын
Viper honored my country with that comeback. But, i feel if it wasn't for the map advantage, he would had lost.
@dgmetaxa
@dgmetaxa 7 жыл бұрын
26:44 - that's when you see that TheViper is in the tryhard mode. For a second you think that the onager might get in range, maybe TheViper isn't looking just for a second, maybe he's ordering some villagers, maybe one onager shot will decide the game... but no. TheViper is so tryharding that he basically sniffs the onager out before he sees it. My hat is off before the Master.
@BobbyBaloney
@BobbyBaloney 6 жыл бұрын
Daut messed this up big time !
@TomatoWithARifle
@TomatoWithARifle 7 жыл бұрын
what a fucking comeback... viper is a god. Is it best out of 3? Did viper win the tourny?
@shrinaathanandan826
@shrinaathanandan826 7 жыл бұрын
viperr1! What a game man, Fuckin' legendary! :D
@gaborbea8384
@gaborbea8384 6 жыл бұрын
My favourite comment of Zak Look at how much food and resourses in the bank at Daut now... And what he shold buy against these units? Mightbe painkillers for his headache... :D It was a nice game But I dont think Daut had any chance against this civ in Imp howewer he played better in this game IMO.
@luismiguelandrew
@luismiguelandrew 7 жыл бұрын
at 20:37 the narrator said Viper just lost this game hahaha, I always kept the hope in Viper.
@rogeriocardoso8258
@rogeriocardoso8258 6 жыл бұрын
Daut could have used skirmishers to avoid the hand cannoners when he had the momentum. It was an obvious and cheap choice that he has not made... What a disasterous defeat.
EGM Grand Final- TheViper vs DauT [Game 4]
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