The only knucklehead is the one who posted the content making the commentary. You're getting views off of this and you call them knuckleheads. Zero integrity.

@@ppcbernier9945 ok PPC Bernier

@@ppcbernier9945 she was saying baseball players in the heat of a brawl are knuckleheads lol, I would’ve gone with a much worse name and I’m one of them

@@mattculb6990 You must've searched for this fight out of desire to document your various moral outrages then, I assume?

@@ppcbernier9945 🤣well said

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That wouldn't stop Angel Hernandez.

Well they allow fighting in other PRO SPORTS.

You can say it’s great entertainment, but there are injuries involved here that MLB doesn’t want. I guarantee you, some of these guys are a little sore today

@@drizzle452 Bullshit the MLB doesn't want it. They refuse to punish people for this shit, and beaning won't stop until the day they hit someone in the temple with the ball killing them.

Rip to your pops!

I still got mine (81) and I’m grateful and hangin on for dear life. And we both love benches clearing. 🤣💙

Rip

Oh wow. My condolences to you Kitty. RIP 🙏

My Dad & Baseball too, taught me so much & I miss him, too. Great memories 🥲

Lol

Perfect analysis!😂😂

Rendon is the first one that got hit slow mo it. He is a jaker

Rendon, that's the only hitting that he's done since they signed him. Worst free agent signing signed Jason Heyward.

@@stk6mkt Funny my bro in law and you share the same name.

I heard someone on ESPN say that Last night as well. Just season long frustrations boiling over. That said, Jesse winker is a fucking deuschbag and should be suspended for 5 games.

Mariners don't have high expectations

@@sarahwolfe1154 Sure they did. 90 wins last year and they add Robbie Ray and Jesse Winker.

not only that, winkler went from batting over .340 last year going into the allstar break and now look at this year.. dont think he has been over .250 sitting at .230 right now...

Jessie Wanker is such a little punk a$$!!!! You see why us Mets fans hate his guts. That guy has been messing with my fellow Mets fans for no reason whatsoever and it all started when he was on another inept loser of an organization the Cincinnati Reds a few years back. He loved chirping & chatting it up with the Mets fans while he was out in the field and he did it this past May when the Mariners played the Mets at Citi Field. "HEY WINKER, just wait until you have to play the Yankees @ Yankee Stadium, cause if you chirp & talk it up with them you better watch your back cause they just might throw some beer cans, bottles & cups at you!!!

Dumb question: I know umpires already have to memorize and use a lot of hand signals, but would it do any harm to add two more? Namely "Oh yeah, he's gone" and "Wait, I think it's calm enough that we can confer and/or I'm not sure yet". If three "Gone" signals go up and HP agrees, he or she immediately ejects the pitcher who beaned someone (or obviously tried).

The MLB powers that be thought that plate umpires were too quick in ejecting pitchers in a lot of cases. That’s why the new protocol

Yeah i don't understand to confer after warnings have been issued. To me once warnings are issued then the PU should be able to eject immediately

@@gassyjones The MLB powers that be wanted more ratings, and fights = ratings. That extra time it takes for umpires to "confer" is all the time it takes for things to boil over as seen here. MLB could give a shit less about the pitcher ejections after warnings are issued, but if making umpires confer allows a little extra time for shit to hit the fan... well, that's gravy for the MLB ratings and likely exactly what they are going for here. To be honest, this is a bit of a conspiracy theory take, but one I am willing to stick by. After all, in what other situation does an umpire have to confer with the rest of the crew before issuing a disqualification/ejection?

Is that why he wasn't immediately tossed. I couldn't understand why the home plate umpire hadn't tossed him. I think the Trout close call last night was intentional and guaranteed the one behind the back and the butt cheek were intentional. You have to protect your players. If I were Winkler I would have just taken my base and watched the pitcher be ejected. He could have thrown at his head. There will be several suspensions on this.

as The old saying goes I is fair in love and war. Guess his old teammates lost respect for him but Mariners are gaining respect for him helping

@@timothypuvogel5468 "Guess his old teammates lost respect for him" fought my best friend twice, my current best friend I fought numerous times in the college wrestling room. Fighting happens, respect is won in battle. my guess is the angels re’watch the tapes and lose respect for trout and ohtani, they looked like cowards during the scrap.

@@usawrestling2842 no they were smart not to be suspended! Big $

@@kimmayo7251 lol ok.....

and no mention of Upton actually getting hit. is it unfortunate, yes, but the Trout thing was not on purpose, whereas the Angels were totally in to hit someone (heck, after watching Jomboy's video, Nevin threatened by saying "we won't forget" or something like that

@@danhood1443 There's a 0% chance yhe Mariners purposely threw at Trout in that situation. Trout crushes low pitching, he was trying to keep the ball up and it got away as he was wild the whole outing. Mariners have only hit 5 al west hitters all year and been hit 27 times. They're not trying to hit anybody. I'm not even a fan of the Mariners

Yeah Trout said If you can't pitch inside, don't pitch inside. Well, he should tell his guy who beaned Upton.

@@danhood1443 if that was on purpose, then so was drilling Upton in the head - see how this works?

Winker brought the cincy energy to Seattle no cap

I remember Kansas City in 2014 and 2015 how many bench clearing brawls they were causing around the league.

Did you mean first time in two years for these 2 teams?

@@brandonmcduff the first time a brawl happened in 2 years which was with Laureano.

What about the Mets and Cards tho?

Lots of people don't realize that the NHL banned bench-clearing brawls (with an automatic 10-game suspension for joining an altercation from the bench) in *1987.* That's how embarrassing this should be for Major League Baseball. And yet here we remain.

what? this has nothing to do with hockey

Bro, you can't beat the OG Ponies!

And an AWESOME slow-motion replay!!!

absolutely put in a body bag 💀💀

Iglesias shot-putting the container of sunflower seed bags was absolutely hilarious. Then he went into straight up godzilla-mode rampaging through the dugout lmao.

Hell what I found interesting is lot of the players involved played together as team mates in Cincinnati

Winkler basically had to fight the Angels. What a bunch of punks for the entire team going after one guy.

@@ericweiler6571 "Ain't that some shit? 🎶 F**k is wrong with them?! " - Earl Simmons aka DMX Lmao so now part of the Angels' baseball team rebranding may just have to be tweaked in favor of them that much more, yuh know, all in good fun anymore, for example they can add a mascot representative-type-thingy along with "Angel Food Cake" 😇...after this unsportsperson like behavior smdh, yeah so okay going forward, "Angel Food-Pies" will surely be a hit! No pun intended. 🤣 🍰

He coulda prevented the whole thing with immediate ejections.

Conveniently forgotten? 😑 🤷🏽‍♂️… it had to play a part in this

that's where Nevin screwed up. He pretty much announced the war was about to start. But at the same time, Nevin is the one manager you don't wanna f**k with. The dude has always been crazy and loves to fight, so if you're gonna get into it with him, you'd better come in swinging.

It would’ve only been 1 or 2 ejections back in the day and there would be real punches.

12 people suspended

12 suspensions that’s Pathetic. Sports in general are going down the toilet I swear. You’d figure with all the insurance nowadays they’d be more lenient on fighting but no. I’m surprised baseball still manages to get people to the stadium. It’s just an over protective crybaby fest. Baseball has been declining since the 94 strike but it’s gotten worse since Robfred took over.

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Wish I could be there as well. GO MARINERS!!! From The UK!

facts

same, except my fat sunburn doesn't agree

$27? What ballpark are you going to?

How much is the food?

HAHAHHAHAHA

First time I see baseball players sweat

Hahaha yup I wonder why the annoucer never mentioned Angels coach Damon Mashore during the brawl

Good

He should have went to first base like Trout did....They didn't throw at Winker's head like they did Trout and I'm a Reds fan who is a fan of Winker.

Would have been nice if he'd brought along his National League hitting as well.

@@paulclark8497 This is the Angels’ fault, PERIOD. Let’s not start deflecting from the 100% obvious instigators here.

@@theholymackerel072 That's your opinion...the Mariners shouldn't have thrown at Trout's head, period...my opinion.

Garrett was 🐐 for that

Garrett is an overrated POS

I'm pretty sure winker, Suarez, lorenzen and Iglesias all got tossed so they could get out of there early to enjoy some beers together.

Brian McRae walked so that modern day MLBers can run.

@@jc9822n Hey bro I never thought of it like that

I love how the mariners broadcast said “oh brother.” Shows they think this is immature

@@chazztreat8317 Immature? Yes. Entertaining? HELL YES!! 😃

That would mean the umps actually did their job for once. Also, as a M's fan, why do they keep pitching to Trout. Just walk him every single time.

Great idea.. but sadly inconsistent with the rules.. We will eject anyone who brings up and argument from a previous game.. thus they also can't bring up the sh*t from a pervious game.. but it will factor with the early warning...

@@ronpeacock9939 What? They can absolutely issue a pre-game warning.

You make excellent point

What about the throw to Jared Walsh. Should've warned Seattle on Saturday.

I agree. I’ve loved brawls since I was a kid. I wish there was more fighting. I like emotion.

I like it because it sets a good example for kids watching the games. Always settle disagreements with violence. Kids should learn this at an early age!

Lmao

@@jimpigato2149 good point ☝️. Violence is our biological right. It is needed in life. 😂

If all you want to see is people beating each other senseless, this is the wrong sport for you bud

The angels don't have a permanent field manager they fired Joe Maddon and now Phil Nevin is the acting manager who I don't think as much manager position experience

@@Dannyedelman4231 That’s a really good point. I had forgotten Nevin is acting.

@@cboyes1 honestly I don't think Joe was the problem it was the owner

@@Dannyedelman4231 Fair, but can we agree the mohawk would’ve been illadvised 😂

I was surprised by that! I mean, I totally would've done the same thing myself; the fans were already and 100% going to continue chirping Seattle the rest of the game, but the double bird seems almost like taboo in a stadium with ~30k people. At the same time, I guess he already knew he was ejected and gonna get fined so not much else to lose. I wonder if there's an extra fine/ penalty for doing something like that? Definitely had to re-watch a couple times to double check that he actually double birded it, hahahaha. Even as an Angels fan, that was classic and I love the passion by Winker. On the flip side, no idea what Iglesias was doing or why he was so raged up- dude's been blowing it all year, not to mention it was the 2nd inning so he's nowhere near even coming into the game yet. Wish I would've been there to see it happen in real time!

Winker displayed his total disrespect for the game and his immaturity when he flipped off the crowd.

that’s the hardest (and most accurate) Iglesias has ever thrown in his whole career. He’s an awful pitcher.

Exactly so this whole thing is just stupidity on part of the Angels not living up to their name.

@@SeahawksBamBamKam I think he was being sarcastic

Two up and in pitches followed immediately by an intentional walk and you don't think it could have been intentional? Hello? They planned to put him on base the whole time; after they missed hitting him twice and they knew they made it obvious that they were gunning for him they went for the walk to avoid getting the pitcher ejected. That's pretty clearly how the Angels saw it, and likely with good reason.

@@lolbanmedaddy9792 hello 👋 I don't think it was intentional. Inside is trouts weakness. After the WP, a base opened up so they gave it to him. Swanson most likely took the biggest sigh of relief he could do it intentionally as I don't think they're trying to disrespect the entire sport and go at the head of the greatest player of our generation rn. Or risk having Ohtani come up as the Game Winning run without at least TRYING to get an out. We may not be the best at it, but I think we care more about winning than hitting someone in the head bc of what? Something that happened 3 games ago to Upton? after we now have a series on the line? Or am I wrong? I get being mad. 95 up and in. Not fun. But use your brain. And then what? It's right for them to throw at Julio's head? Miss. Then go straight to winker? After deciding last second to put this together by using the opener? This is the nastiest part of the sport and dammit it brings out some dumb and ugly in fans

@@lolbanmedaddy9792 and I'd like to add on wasn't Lorenzen's excuse for HITTING Upton that the balls are slick? Now in a super tight, clutch situation, with a beast at the plate.. we can't give him that same benefit of the doubt?

Well at least for one of them they turned it around.

Mariners record since that take? lol

Can you give a recent example of a pitcher intentionally throwing at someone’s head without a suspension?

@@JayD73 I hope ur being sarcastic 😂.

A batter throwing a punch is always intentional. A pitcher throwing at someone's head is not always intentional.

Not only that but it’s like this thing that pitchers can get away with beaning sometimes, but the batter won’t ever be allowed to charge the mound so yah that may not seem fair but that’s when you’re pitchers come in 😈

It's not hockey, and fighting is not a part of the game, but getting hit by the baseball is.

like 20 years of waiting bro. i went to redsox gm two sundays ago. we had one hit. i paid $400 to take my daughter (sweet seats, row11 behind homeplate). hard to be an Ms fan year after year...but this was fun , good to see some fire.

@@mattcoffee1269 yeah that would piss me off also. There is no telling which team will show up but one things for sure is you better show up with them Benjamin’s to the park 🤣 I’ll let them do it to me ONCE a year and every time I say never again… GO mariners!!

@@ahaaha84 That's absolutely true about which team will show up. I went to the Met game where they got no-hit by Max Scherzer.

Fuck that let them play baseball, you wanna act like a dick your player will get beamed

I'm sure you do, weirdo...

LOL

Dammit-just made this comment before I saw yours. I really need to see bullpens throw down once before I die.

Right that's not mentioned here. It is highly unusual that they switched their pitcher to the "opener" right before game time..it was pretty obvious from the game situation the night before that the pitch to Trout wasn't intentional. I doubt that Trout asked for them to do this today though . Starting to feel bad for Trout because if he never gets off this team he will never win anything

They weren’t trying to hit him but they were trying to pitch him in as every team has done all season. If you have a guy throwing 95+ who has no control he should not be trying to hit spots up and in, especially not with the best player in the league in the box. Mike said that exact thing post-game.

@@tadewilson4109 Swanson has had pretty good control inside this year, just not last night (walk to previous batter included). Plus - a missed spot in is a magnitude different infraction than intentionally throwing at another players' head, imo. Intent when guys are throwing 95+ matters.

@@tntsabretooth I think this is just the culmination of Trout getting buzzed game after game. It’s shitty that he got hit and teams have been trying to rattle him since because of that. Since Trout has always demolished the Mariners they were not going to pitch to him in that at bat at all and would rather face Ohtani. If you’re going to waste pitches don’t do it up and in on a bad control night, he missed on back to back pitches.

White people always wanna get the police involved. Weirdo

What’s a lancer?

@@Frederick0220 It's the name of their highschool baseball team they went to the same school

@@JakeW26 That's epic. Thanks bro

1 v 9. Bit one sided. That would only increase the probability of teams throwing at each other in retaliation.

Very good point, seeing a basic baseball fight ( Hold on to each others shirts and ask how your family is doing is one thing] Flipping off the crowd full of women and children is another. Total lack of class, surprised? - Nope.

best he’s thrown all year

He acted like a lil girl it was embarrassing lol

@@leoray1234 LOOOOL

@@buddhastl7120 still funny though

😁😁 I know right?! Lol..it was funny.. I like fights.. call me a masochist 🤣🤣🤣

losing

Exact same feeling with the mariners too

Let's be honest, MLB requires umpires to meet to issue ejections after a warning because they know that the required meeting is enough time for tempers to flare and shit to hit the fan before they can make their ruling. If umpires can eject players and managers out of a game with no conference when there is no warning issued, there is even less reason to require them to meet when there is a warning in effect... that is, unless your goal is TV ratings. Warning issued? Word gets out and people tune in to see if anything goes down... something goes down? Even more viewers! Win for MLB. The easiest way to ensure that a warning turns into this instead of an preemptive ejection is to require all four umpires to meet before issuing an ejection after something goes down.

When did this meeting crap start? I don't think this is Angel Hernandez-approved.

Lady commentator said MLB is desperately short of umps this season. Can that be fixed??

@@marktwain368 They need to bring in umps from Triple-A.

@@marktwain368 MLB always has a LARGE pool of umpires from MiLB to call on and temporarily fill in the gaps where needed. MiLB umps are often called up to MLB during the season to cover for umpires that are taking a break. MLB umpires get several weeks to a month of time off each season and so MLB uses MiLB umps to cover while they are off. They also hire from the same pool of MiLB umps, but they usual do official hiring between seasons. Either way, this is not a major issue for MLB. The only slight issue they are going to wrestle with for the short term is the lack of experienced crew chiefs. For 99 games out of 100 that isn't going to matter. It's only glaringly obvious that the MLB is lacking experienced crew chiefs when something like this goes down.

Yep but for how many games tho if I ask?

@@sailorkotori5385 one game

Deserves to miss the next road trip. Three games. The pitcher and batter gets a week suspension.

I know there will be huge fines as well

@@sailorkotori5385 i have no conception of the rules so i say an entire MONTH! for cowardice! but seriously this was so blatantly planned, I was disappointed that the Umps didn’t have warnings ready once the opener was announced

Yeah. Maybe this will finally convince MLB that intentional HBP conferences are stupid.

@@davej3781 There has been one un-ejection in MLB. The umpires misunderstood what was happening (the players were all sharing the same bat in an attempt to break out of a losing streak). First batter struck out and left the bat at the plate. The umpire tossed him. The manager explained what was happening and the ejection was rescinded.

That’s because In hockey it’s an automatic 10 game suspension for leaving the bench to partake in a brawl

Better for fighting can be interpreted in multiple ways through. Perhaps it's better for the players since there's less chance of a bench clearing brawl resulting in injury to the players. But I agree on the entertainment aspect, hockey fights are boring to me.

It was intentional

That would be like a Warner Bros cartoon.

@@dalethelander3781 I think of more like an honor system like hockey goalies have- they usually only fight each other. Relievers should just fight relievers

@@alvinwagner6085 I saw this morning tht the penalties have been doled out. I'm surprised the umps could sort out who did what. Where was Angel Hernandez when we needed him?

Great point Alvin! You have won my best laugh of the day award! - Rick Ferencik

They'll throw you out for retaliating anyway.

Why is coming from the bullpen any different then coming from the dugout, other than distance traversed? Shouldn't you just be advocating for anyone that comes onto the field during a bench-clearing brawl be ejected at this point?

@@lolbanmedaddy9792 Good point. But the run in from bullpen is an especially ridiculous display.

@@lolbanmedaddy9792 I can at least accept that leaving the dugout can even the odds if a fight is happening

Just because the Mariners suck doesn't mean that they've been "bullied".

because it’s entertaining

I often contemplate this. I think the answer is twofold. 1. The lopsided amount of players on the field. You could rectify this by adding that anyone not directly involved with the altercation who tries to get involved is also tossed. But that could lead to batters getting brazen about starting things with pitchers. 2. I personally believe the league uses the altercations to boost viewership.

Because this is baseball you snowflake. Let's have fun.

Because no professional league has the balls to send everybody home, including the crowd.

To me this would mostly be an excuse, though it has some merit: You can't penalize people who rush out there to break up the fight, and you can't make umpires be bouncers. My response: If that's really all there is to it, use field security. (After making it clear that any player who harms field security gets *charges filed* against them and a very long suspension.)