The theatrics make me cringe extra hard, but if you’re former/current military/LE, jacked, or both, you can sell this BS even easier.

The worst part is that they think they're the best...zero humbleness/self-recognition of actual reality of their proficiency (or lack of thereof). Ego-driven. Dangerous to common folks in my opinion. Worst part, a lot of people don't vet these 'instructors' find themselves in the middle of a clown show having already paid and making it getting a refund very uncomfortable, awkward and most times impossible..."I want a refund because you suck as an instructor"? With a reply such as "Who are you to claim that?". Best thing for people is to do their due digilence and see who they're about to train with before paying. References, background, instructor's training, classes and curriculum, whether he/she competes and what disciplines, etc.

Had to have been a white man bc they shoot unarmed black all the time

i went to the range with a neighbor of mine who had a glock/revolver carry kit and had worked as a security guard. i just kind of assumed he wasn't a complete goober cause his guns weren't shit and he was telling me about all the (expensive) tactical training he did. at a gun store some guy knew who his trainer was and waxed poetic about how experienced he was and said he was ex special forces. then when we show up the entire time he's just doing extremely elaborate performative theatrics with reloads and positioning in front of the berm and did not hit the paper at all at 25 feet it really seems like actually putting a bullet on target is completely irrelevant to those people

@@eduardogallardo9474 I am retired professor, none of the people you mention have a teaching degree, what do you expect?

That’s sooo true Lmao

Anything is possible. I could not practice live or dry for a year and still be really good. Ricky Carmichael retired a decade ago and will still smoke any local pro, it gets ingrained in you. But, he sounds like a good guy and get what you can.

Think of all the Olympic level athletes who are coached by similar types of people who would not be able to compete themselves at such a high level, but they know their sport and are able to coach it.

Cus D'Amato and Freddy Roach weren't considered "high level" boxers but sure as hell were and are high level coaches/trainers! John Danaher was not known as a "high level" BJJ competitor, but is one of the greatest grappling coaches. To dismiss one's knowledge/experience is the wrong mentality. Just because someone is high level doesn't always mean that person is a high level instructor.

Certainly happens. Like the coaching aspect of many older guys that are out of shape but were studs back in the day when they were younger and competing at higher levels and can extend a lot of wisdom and useful teaching/coaching in their next phase of life. Happens in many professions as well as firearms.

And beyond the 3 yard line

Funny I trained with and instructor and asked this very same question and he responded: "Simple, you don't demonstrate anything. You are there to guide him and make HIM/SHE do the drill/shooting." Lost ALL respect right there and then. Got my certificate, though... 😅😒

​@eduardogallardo9474 To be a devils advocate, sometimes actually taking up time doing live fire reps of a simple accuracy-only based standard can be more like showing off than actually giving benefit to a student.

​@eduardogallardo9474 That instructor in your case though should have absolutely demoed because you needed it. You were questioning his teaching so he should have demonstrated what he can actually do.

The best instructors can not only make a demo of what you’re suppose to do, on demand, they can also make demos of several ways you’re gona fuck up the drill so you know what to look for

He tried to stab you? Come on dude. Cops are idiots, but to stab you….

Those damn stormtroopers

" Do me a favor, shoot the target next to you so I can get this guy out of here" LOL I have heard this more than once.

Wait.... Tried to STAB YOU?!? Was this during class or was this like off work hours? I'm very interested in hearing this story!

@@TerminalM193 Yeah I need to hear more about this potential stabbing lol @johnphillips222

Problem is standards have been lowered to alarming levels. Candidates are difficult to find, guys pass because they can’t afford to lose them and the push for girl cops is strong. You go advancing the expectations and they will fail or get passed due to lowering the standards. The security companies are at zero for passing armed guards. As long as you don’t ND, you pass.

@HWG-wm8ld I've definitely seen the lowering standards over the last few years, and the application rate has dropped to almost nothing. Before we'd have 200 people show up to fill a hiring list of 20ish people. Now we just hire anyone with a pulse, push em to get the minimum qual score, and hope and pray they get better over time through the aforementioned convoluted training schemes

Well Steven, I’m not making excuses, I’m explaining what the problems are.

Yeah uspsa is just like a 2 way gun battle Moron

teaching things from an existing base of knowledge, without an analysis for a new audience, is just sophistry

You sir understand "learning" in any field, from sport to surgery, better than then most. Problem occurs when there are participants in a class with abilities from A to Z and the instructor tries to teach them all at the same time. Someone will be disappointed and their solution is to spout out something that has not been well investigated.

You play for the rangers? Nolan Ryan is my cousin.

​@@HWG-wm8ldNolan Ryan and Cal Ripken Jr were my role models while growing up!

@@HWG-wm8ld no, and it's not even a Chuck Norris reference. Back in the day we had accounts like Arizona Ranger, Texas Red or in my case Texas Ranger to make jokes below the Marty Robbins - Big Iron video. Before these F*#&%! turned off the comments section.

This is far from shitposting.

#this

He's in a hotel bathroom sitting on the toilet it looks like.

@@OntarioBearHunter okay bathrooms don't have the worst acoustics. And he has a mic on. He wants feedback. I am giving it.

To add a thought to what you are saying, I have always been told that those that "can" do it are often not the best teachers, and the example that I will give is Chuck Liddell when he was in his prime in the UFC. He just had that something EXTRA on his punches that put guys out. You could not quantify it or explain it, and when he would try to teach other people/students how to do what he did, when he showed people how to do the exact same drills/training that he did, people could not replicate his results. To Chuck's mind, because of who he was and what natural/innate ability he had could not be taught to others, and thus, they reached a different result/conclusion than he did. You see this often times in the NBA, where some of the best/star players make mediocre coaches, but the guy that maybe played D1 ball for four years at a small, midwest program and had no shot in the NBA turns out to be the best coach of all time.

I see your point, but here’s my perspective. Tiger woods was/is considered the best in the world at what he does. Let’s entertain for discussions stake, that we’re talking about Americas elite HR team. Both Tiger and the HR team didn’t learn everything they know from someone who was the best teacher in the world, what I mean is that they started out like everyone does, basic level instruction and from there, they increased skill and level of instruction. We could argue that cops should be highly proficient in handgun shooting since it’s their primary weapon more often than not. Those cops also went through growth of skills and coaches. The problem is, most cops plateau in skill at a certain point unless they seek outside instruction or choose to learn on their own. Most department training heads are old dudes on their way “out”, who don’t care about the betterment of their students and would rather stick with what they know, than learn themselves and push that info onto their students. The other issue is the lowest common denominator, which is where the training can only be so challenging due to the lowest performer holding back the group. There’s more to it than just being good at shooting to be a good instructor, but as a baseline they should be proficient themselves, and be understanding of what is possible through training. Another issue with the golf analogy is, anyone can google what a professional golfers handicap is, and understand what that means, and use that as their North Star with respect to training. In shooting, much of that info is also available, but people won’t go through the trouble of understanding HF or time standards to have a bar that is set for them. Most of the lackluster trainers aren’t even aware of the performance possibilities that are common in today’s world of shooting because they are stuck teaching and doing what was “good” 20 years ago. Red dots on pistols alone have allowed higher performance for most people across the board with minimal extra training, and the bar is continuing to climb higher each year.

You make an excellent point, and that is part of the nuance around this whole issue. It also occurs to me that there are plenty of instructors who do a good job at teaching newbies who know their own limits and stay in their lane and aren't trying to teach what they don't know. I would say those are good instructors.

@haroldlee4037 I agree. My bowling coach no longer has the physical ability to roll the ball well. But he is such a student of the game that he can see someone bowl, and make suggestion(s) that help almost immediately.

I've got this same problem. I get last round hold open maybe 20% of the time

Easy fix, never shoot the gun empty

lol I have the exact opposite philosophy

Recorded it this morning it’s coming

😂😅😂😅

It's true with 900 grain bullets.

He an instructor?

😂😂😂😂

If I may, to answer your question (which you kind of did already with what your stated after your question) is to be able to show everything you demand of your students regarding actually shooting. But if you really want to take it to the next level, shoot dynamically, a.k.a., Practical Shooting. Whether USPSA, IPSC or even IDPA. I also believe shooting SOME drills (some well known) to evaluate certain skills and techniques is very valuable as the student (and the instructor) would now have a base on where they stand and work on getting better with a specified measurable criteria (such as time, accuracy, distance).

The coach is not necessarily better at the sport than the pupil...but may have a wealth of knowledge and experience to teach, other than being great at teaching and conveying info in an understandable way. Having a keen eye to recognize errors/mistakes/ineficiencies to teach and correct them is a criteria in an instructor's toolbox in by itself, and not all coaches/instructors possess this. Like lots of people have stated, you may be great at something but suck at teaching and vice versa. Obviously you can be good at both. Recognizing your own level and being humble/honest about it, in my opinion, is key to building a trusting relationship with the student: "I can only get you so far/I can only teach you so much.". Sorry, I piggybacked on your comment to put my two cents on the matter.

Teaching is a separate skill in itself.

Yes I am. Oh did you mean Ben? Also yes.