The Primeval Sorcerers utterly destroyed their minds and bodies just so you could spam Comet Azur against Malenia. Song used: Cavern - The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess OST
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@ZullietheWitch2 жыл бұрын
Another detail that draws a fairly direct connection between Azur and Lusat, and the Karolos and Olivinus crowns are the actual glintstones seen on both crowns. While, for some reason, the glintstones on the Karolos crown are white for the NPCs, they're the same deep green as Azur's on the player version, and the same shape as well. Similarly, there are round, blue glintstones on the Olivinus crown, much like the giant blue glintstone that has overtaken Lusat's head. I've seen some people speculate that they were the Twinsages, but it seems much less likely, all things considered.
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
I did a video about the crowns recently and when I was researching it the colors of the crown baffled me
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
Also the only other one with green is sellens and I can't tell if her crown is based on her or if that female founder was some unknown sorcerer and sellen is just the only who matched her ability
@Hurtdeer2 жыл бұрын
Also seems notable that in Sellen's Graven School transformation, you see coloured gemstones of both Azul and Lusat's flavours accross the ball.. I don't remember offhandedly if this is the same for normal Graven Schools, but it could further imply the two are in there
@cesarhernandez68612 жыл бұрын
Poor Sellen, she was very hot under that stone head. Wish I could have stopped her from becoming a magic 8-Ball.
@filippogrimaldi72282 жыл бұрын
In the Tribunal in Raya Lucaria, paintings of Lusat, Azur, the Twinsages and of Rennala can be seen on the walls. So the Twinsages weren't Lusat and Azur.
@Mene02 жыл бұрын
Azur >Says nothing >Gives you the most OP spell in the game >Dies
@lephonometrographe2 жыл бұрын
My man Azur knows to be professional
@sabotower17922 жыл бұрын
Gigachad behavior
@Puddingpop862 жыл бұрын
Fooking Legend.
@V.23.622 жыл бұрын
Based Azur
@Kekistani_Insurgent2 жыл бұрын
>Refuses to elaborate
@Frostblast72 жыл бұрын
Azur and Lusat: turn into a barely living thing with crystals replacing their brains. Sellen: "This primeval current sounds like a great thing to study."
@yellowsaurus48952 жыл бұрын
Brainrocks are when your grey matter condenses, shortening the distance between your neurons and therefore allowing them to fire faster - a lot faster. This typically happens when you smoke a ton of weed. Brainrocks can manifest in many ways. Someone who's rocked up wont necessarily feel the same effects every time. Their cognitive abilities may be boosted one time, and their strength and physical prowess the next. Brainrocks have also been known to have adverse effects on weaker beings. Such is the nature of getting smoked and getting brainrocks.
@TheSuperRatt2 жыл бұрын
It might honestly be what they wanted? We really don't know anything about them. I mean, if they didn't approve, why would they teach us their spells?
@epiccthulu2 жыл бұрын
Alberich, whose head was replaced with red glintstone, seemed to be in a better state when he invades us. You have to alter his helm, which removes the hat, to see his skull from the top
@Daboy8042 жыл бұрын
@@TheSuperRatt our tarnished is on the way to becoming a lava wyrm anyway from dragon communion might as well turn into glintstone for added drip.
@Jake-TorukMakto-Sully2 жыл бұрын
@@Daboy804 drip
@WafflesMgee2 жыл бұрын
I love their animations when they give you the spell. The way Lusat and Azur's hands just sort of creak to hand you the sorcery. Like they've been petrified.
@rwberger62 жыл бұрын
Well yeah, they're bodies are turning into glintstone. If you hit them its treated the same as hitting stone with no bloodspray or anything.
@lordofthecookie85552 жыл бұрын
Oh my god, it's WafflesMgee, of the Chad Sekiro Sliders fame
@Neo2266.2 жыл бұрын
Well, they have been petrified, crystalized to be exact
@ari_woof2 жыл бұрын
@@abnon-tha3088 That would be a cool ending though.
@Maskah272 жыл бұрын
lol, at first i thought th game was bugged and he wasn't giving me any dialogue
@topcat592 жыл бұрын
I honestly like the idea that they’re so crystallized in the head, that it prevents them from properly utilizing their sorcery. It’s kinda like something out of HP Lovecraft where they reach a new plain of existence but their bodies are nothing more but a empty husk.😺
@calmcat80732 жыл бұрын
I love how you added cat emoiji at the end to soften how scary your comment sounds
@thomasgiles28762 жыл бұрын
Everybody wants DLC to be some thing on the map, I'd like to go on a dream walk like DS2 into one of these guy's heads.
@jif692 жыл бұрын
Plane
@pirig-gal2 жыл бұрын
@@calmcat8073it's the Lovecraft's cat, the one his father named "Nuclear" ;-)
@_kahimanawari2 жыл бұрын
@@calmcat8073 man's giving existential horror but in a cute way you know
@doremiancleff15082 жыл бұрын
I bet these two are so far up the skill tree, they are existing in a different plane of being. Considering that Selena projected herself to a different location, while being tortured, i think these two probably live a decent life someplace else and only come back for a brief moment, when you inconvenience them.
@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth2 жыл бұрын
I concur. Since Sellen is capable of transposing her soul into a glintstone, it can be assumed that these old masters have gone a step further, and become one with the current itself.
@TreyWreckz2 жыл бұрын
@@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth I wonder if the primeval current correlated to the old Erdtree
@capolean29022 жыл бұрын
so theyre godlike mages
@UmbraDiSol2 жыл бұрын
It follows the color out of space theme, if you look into that which is not meant to be seen... It takes you. Or, think of it like a type of radiation. Magic exists in a primeval, incredibly powerful source. This is on a scope and breadth far beyond mortal comprehension to boot. So the mortal mages looked into the unseeable and unknowable, making it seen and known, and it corrupted them from the *inside out*. They got irradiated by reaching their grubby consciousnesses far beyond their mortal ken. And just like this radiation can spread Flintstone from Flintstone, astel's from a comet, it converts them for their hubris. This is why Sellen is determined- her master's pioneered the school, and paved the way for what NOT to do. Though I do believe it is possible they had had primal glintstone hearts as well and we're the catalyst for Sellen's transformation. Sort of the sacrifice for the next step/generation.
@chronoshindou9848 Жыл бұрын
@@TreyWreckz primeval current is probably the souce of "Cosmic life" while the ancient Erdtree/Crucible is the source of all "terrestial life". Even Sellen hints at that.
@FreedomAndPeaceOnly2 жыл бұрын
You cast Magic until Magic cast you.
@Aldatas2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the wisdom fellow wizard
@HenhousetheRed2 жыл бұрын
Bloodborne: Eyes in brains. Elden Ring: Replace brains with crystals.
@DrownedLamp2 жыл бұрын
Squints in fibre optics: These two pictures are the same
@iamzen42712 жыл бұрын
Step 3: Profit.
@SaHaRaSquad2 жыл бұрын
Astel also has a huge eye in the skull, visible through the hole. During specific attacks the eye glows.
@nvrndingsmmr2 жыл бұрын
Glintstones on the inside.
@yellowsaurus48952 жыл бұрын
Brainrocks are when your grey matter condenses, shortening the distance between your neurons and therefore allowing them to fire faster - a lot faster. This typically happens when you smoke a ton of weed. Brainrocks can manifest in many ways. Someone who's rocked up wont necessarily feel the same effects every time. Their cognitive abilities may be boosted one time, and their strength and physical prowess the next. Brainrocks have also been known to have adverse effects on weaker beings. Such is the nature of getting smoked and getting brainrocks.
@randoom8162 жыл бұрын
Look into alberich, because his altered hat shows red crystals on it, could he have also been becoming a primeval sorcerer? but instead of gazing at the primeval current he gazed at the blood star because he had red glintstones on him. His set does describe him as an aloof yet heretical sorcerer
@person9062 жыл бұрын
Ooooh shit good catch dude! I never made the connection from alberich to the primeval sorcerers, but I think you're right that something very similar was going on with Alberich.
@kaczynskifan782 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I noticed that as well, it seems like he too has the same sort of crystals seemingly eating away at his head like with Azur and Lusat, although they’re not nearly as advanced in their size and appear to only be in the early stages of growth. My theory is that the end fate of any sorcerer is to become infatuated and eventually consumed by crystals no matter what school of sorcery they study, which seems to be a running trend throughout both souls games and fantasy in general, where the brilliant scholar is eventually driven to insanity and death due to their own desire to continue the study of magic past their own human limitations
@JPresto2 жыл бұрын
I’m hoping they do a lot more with blood magic in future DLC.
@Rith97892 жыл бұрын
It's a different kind of power. That's separate I believe from the torrential current of magic the other two sorcerer's and Selen were practicing. I'm sure of it! Except that it's Elden Ring and anything's possible
@godofultraviolence2 жыл бұрын
i dont think he was studying the primeval current but since it’s both sorcery they do have some things in common. i think it’s like the stone heads the academy sorcerers wear, they all have glintstone on their head (probably to expand your mind somehow). he was also blindfolded like the thorn sorcerers you often see with the fire monks who also saw the blood star. i think it may be connected to hexes wich no longer exist where you use your own blood as a replacement for glintstone
@CrusasTheOrc2 жыл бұрын
I like how Sellen is still able to teach spells after her transformation, she even asks for runes for it, welp I guess people still have to pay taxes in the abyss
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
more evidence she is a successful star seed
@a.r.h9919Ай бұрын
When you gaze at the abyss taxes look back at you
@Ghostcharm2 жыл бұрын
What a harrowing experience when you first come upon these lads. The slightest animation when you gain their spell, character design off the charts. Elden ring provides so many memorable subtle moments
@stechuskaktus35772 жыл бұрын
To be honest i didnt notice Azur as an npc but as a colourful rock so didnt spoketo him until Sellen told me that was a teacher
@notthebees29502 жыл бұрын
@@stechuskaktus3577 Doesn't Sellen only mention them when you talk to them and get their spells?
@birbdad18422 жыл бұрын
I didn't really think too much about Azur when I first met him. There's so much stuff in the game, that some details are bound to go unnoticed. But in my sorcerer playthrough I took another deep look at him.
@deaansugee2 жыл бұрын
Azur, Lusat, Goldmask: I'm literally a motionless mute fucking inanimate object Fromsoft shaft strokers: omg 20/10 design deep lore implications you just don't get it it's hidden you gotta read the fine print
@Tulip_bip2 жыл бұрын
@@deaansugee this guy over here having a meltdown over a naked guy that likes to point at big trees
@Tokumastu12 жыл бұрын
I love how Selene's questline has so many red flags and ominous foreshadowing. Between her telling you why she was expelled and seeing the state of the two sorcerers you get a clear picture that even if she succeeds her quest wont end well.
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
but it wasnt a failure, she became a star seed just as she wanted
@rustyjones79082 жыл бұрын
When has anyone's quest in a soulsborne game ended well?
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
@@rustyjones7908 nepheli becomes a lord so yeah
@Tokumastu12 жыл бұрын
@@rustyjones7908 The Queen of Chainhurst given she not only outlasted the church, but part of her questline involves resurrecting her after Alfred crushes her. Bogart if you kill Dung Eater. Zoraya if you don't kill her or give her the memory loss potion, since after Rykards death she finds new meaning because you spared her. Siegward inDS3 since his goal was to give Yhorm a mercy killing in order to fulfill the promise and he does that. Nepheli, Ranni and few others in Elden end up surprisingly well if not getting everything they wanted without a catch.
@CodeeXD2 жыл бұрын
@@Tokumastu1 I mean the catch for Ranni was plunging the world in absolute chaos leading up to her ending. The knight of the black knives was her doing and the direct catalyst for the lands between going to shit
@vedasisme2 жыл бұрын
Completing sellen's questline to the end without being spoilered allowed me to experience a special kind of shocking twist.
@matheuscruz85742 жыл бұрын
I felt bad for her, but lore-wise she had it coming
@vyor88372 жыл бұрын
@@matheuscruz8574 how so?
@uchihasenpai56712 жыл бұрын
@@vyor8837 The graven-mass Talisman I think. It mentions the horrific consequences of studying the primeval current.
@vyor88372 жыл бұрын
@@uchihasenpai5671 there are consequences for studying everything.
@popmmog-72 жыл бұрын
@@matheuscruz8574 idk how to feel ab it because that was her goal in the end and im pretty sure graven masses are premature stars or something like that so i think its what she wanted to occur
@AlmightySammich2 жыл бұрын
Part of why I find Lusat and Azur fascinating is that, given the connections between sorcery, stars, and glintstone, both of them can truly be said to have achieved Galaxy Brain status.
@erich13802 жыл бұрын
The part of this game that is so interesting to me is how most of the NPCs we see in the game were normal looking humans at some point. It's so bizarre how normal looking humans (tarnished) and all these crazy looking half human/ half whatever the heck else creatures exist simultaneously.
@GaldirEonai2 жыл бұрын
Well, the people remaining in the Lands Between are what's left after about a century of war that really only slowed down to a simmer because nobody has any reserves left and in which all parties involved were slinging around eldritch magics, alien plagues and the literal essence of madness...
@erich13802 жыл бұрын
@@GaldirEonai for sure but what is confusing/ fascinating to me is that some of the creatures are obviously so next level crazy looking that it's close to nonsensical for them to ever possibly be "human looking." Like I get radahn is a god but he's the only one that's anything close to 20 feet tall like he is. How the hell does radagon and renalla make that? We know the scarlet rot didn't warp him stature wise because of the cinematic. I just wish the details of how creatures came to be was a little bit more in depth but that's basically lore problem one of fifty lol
@chiaotzu23612 жыл бұрын
@@erich1380 from soft typically uses size in relation to how powerful a character is. Its just a design choice but you could probably, lore wise, argue that it was the physical effects his rune had on him over time that caused him to grow to that stature
@erich13802 жыл бұрын
@@chiaotzu2361 do they though? I can think of dozens of fromsoft bosses that are one of the smallest in the game yet are one of the most powerful. Now if you mean to say imposing and aiming to show you the significance of the character then yes I totally agree
@huyvungodong68492 жыл бұрын
Tarnished people look normal because they are not original live in The Land Between. Their ancestors left the land following Godfrey when they lost the grace. They therefore do not affected by whatever happen in during the Shattering. I think the Shattering altered/mutated/corrupted living things TLB, especially the bears. Even normal soldiers/people of TLB look ghoulish.
@wiliam70952 жыл бұрын
So I’m not sure if you’ve covered this already but in caelid, There are massive skeletons jutting out of the scarlet rot. One can be seen when beside the massive warrior far and the other in sellia
@CrunchyFluids2 жыл бұрын
Sadly there is basically no info on who those skeletons belong to.
@LordDragox4122 жыл бұрын
@@CrunchyFluids Yoink, they belong to me now :)
@CrunchyFluids2 жыл бұрын
@@LordDragox412 :0 You sneaky little rascal!
@shnorkeythefourth45722 жыл бұрын
Are those skulls not the same ones you see in the forbidden lands going to the mountain tops?
@LordDragox4122 жыл бұрын
@@CrunchyFluids "Waste not, want not, even big bones with scarlet rot" - a Calciumancer, circa right now.
@UnfunnE2 жыл бұрын
These guys were my favorite discoveries in elden ring.
@dundealshowdown2 жыл бұрын
They were definitely a highlight, it felt like stumbling into something you weren't supposed to see
@dominicmanester81252 жыл бұрын
It's a testament to Sellen's will that she remains somewhat lucid after her transformation into a star seed.
@chiaotzu23612 жыл бұрын
I think her lucidity is not a good thing. She’s being kept alive against her will
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
@@chiaotzu2361 why do people assume she want to die?
@darkzeke200x2 жыл бұрын
@@colorpg152 would YOU want to live that way?
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
@@darkzeke200x YES
@funnygaming26722 жыл бұрын
@@darkzeke200xyes is better then nothing and most npc seem to be able to "teleport/float" anyway .She not brain dead just a different body
@nathanfrandon27982 жыл бұрын
I interpreted that Karolos and Olivinus were the first "students" of Azur and Lusat respectively, as the Karolos crown states "The Karolos Conspectus is the oldest of the academy's lineages of study, begat by the sorcerer Azur. Scholars who follow in his footsteps pursue the mysteries of comets", and Olivinus's crown says the same thing. Also, I find it intriguing that Rennala can cast Comet Azur, as that would mean Azur imparted the sorcery to her somehow.
@MVCx_xB2 жыл бұрын
Rennala's comet azur is distinctly different colored, I imagine she has her own version pivoted from Azur's or Karolos's
@jonarhax3388 Жыл бұрын
Don't you technically fight ranni in phase 2, meaning ranni is the one who knows how to use comet azur, especially considering she's all about space and stars and the moon
@awtodor2 ай бұрын
Maybe, but Rennala held off Marika's army. I'm pretty sure she was absolutely terrifying as the full moon witch. @@jonarhax3388
@sillythewanderer4221Ай бұрын
@@jonarhax3388 in phase 2 of the renalla fight you fight an illusion created by ranni to protect her mother.
@jonarhax3388Ай бұрын
@@sillythewanderer4221 whats that mean
@SAUglaz2 жыл бұрын
I think it's worth mentioning that Sellen is a crystal herself. As part of her questline you transplant her from her original imprisoned body(or maybe she snatched that one as well) into one of Seluvis' s mindless puppets. Perhaps Azure and Lusat are just what happens if that core crystal is allowed to grow long enough to overtake the meat. In fact, Crystalians are described as "close to the ideals of the primeval current". It feeds into my theory that glintstone is a form of crystallized soul, or something like soul amber. All mined glintstone seems to have come to The Lands Between with meteors, perhaps remnants of dead worlds. Maybe even worlds untainted by Outer God influence. Which is part of my fringe belief that runes are souls and that's why originally the Golden Order perceived sorcerers as a threat, seemingly sidestepping the god harvest. And maybe the Carian-Golden alliance was predicated on making Primeval Current research illegal.
@DakkaSap2 жыл бұрын
Very sound logic
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
i think the graven-mass/star-seed is like the pot people but instead of bodies its filled with glint-stones, its like grafting but for brain power, i think they hope that with enough brain power the star seed will evolve into a full grown star like the elden beast
@RikyRoxas2 жыл бұрын
There was a guy who explained his theory how Sellen travels from body to body and she actually is Sellia. I have to find that thread.
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
@@RikyRoxas wow that is genius
@SAUglaz2 жыл бұрын
@@RikyRoxas That seems unnecessarily complex. I don't think there are any indications that Sellia isn't just the name of the region, although Sellen may be from there. But more importantly, Jerren's dialogue refers to her as Sellen and indicates that she committed her crimes under that name and her body swapping abilities(and probably the ability to project her image) were not a known concern to witch-hunters when she was imprisoned.
@bmg62292 жыл бұрын
Maybe considering they studied the early sorcery that came from the stars, they attempted to evolve in a way similar to the Onix Lords of the Fallen Star Beasts Obviously it wasn't successful, but they were able to become "pure" glintstone beings, even Lusat's helm looks a bit like the Astel's eye
@BRBMrSoul2 жыл бұрын
Makes sense
@nvrndingsmmr2 жыл бұрын
Excellent observation!
@CrowsofAcheron2 жыл бұрын
The weird thing is, none of the meteors we see contain Glintstone. None of the enemies which come from stars, Falling Star Beasts and Astels, use Glintstone attacks, they use gravity magic. So is Glintstone really the study of the stars? Or is this just a story the sorcerer's have been telling themselves?
@liamzakhaev2 жыл бұрын
@@CrowsofAcheron meteors do contain glinstone, just a different variant
@epicgamer-ur1wg2 жыл бұрын
Smoughtown made a very good lore video on the primeval current and Sellen. Basically primeval sorcerers are obsessed with becoming star beings. That’s why Sellen turns into one of those things at the end of her questline, they are failed experiments by her and other primeval sorcerers, attempts to access the primeval current and create a star.
@nerfer2002 жыл бұрын
Well i did find it odd that in Sellen's quest she told us to "Bring back the bodies of Master Azur and Master Luset"
@agnacore2 жыл бұрын
@@abnon-tha3088 ...They then proceeded to befriend some local demi-humans with a promise of teaching them some basic sorceries (to become "strong like Maggie"). The first communication attempts came at the cost of poor Philippe, but nobody mourned for long -- he was a Hierodas anyway.
@reperfan42 жыл бұрын
The description of the two sorcery-boosting talismans state: "The primeval current is a forbidden tradition of glintstone sorcery. To those who cleave to its teachings, the act of collecting sorcerers to fashion them into the seeds of stars is but another path of scientific inquiry." That phrase at the end, "collecting sorcerers to fashion them into the seeds of stars" implies that it was a technique that literally fuses sorcerers together in an attempt to ascend to some kind of higher being. Sellen wants to reach the Primeval Current and they have a technique designed to do so already developed, all she needs is bodies for material and what better materials than the two most powerful sorcerers who already reached the current? As for all the other faces that make up the ball, let's just say there's a reason Sellen also wanted to take over as headmaster at the academy. Plenty of access to any amount of...bodily materials she might need.
@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth2 жыл бұрын
@@reperfan4 | "...are we the baddies?"
@energyfitness51162 жыл бұрын
@@reperfan4 Hubris. Thats the word. Sellen thought she was smart/powerful enough to use the supposed two most powerful sorcerers in the game for her daisy-chain crystal computer. She found out, apparently, she had a lot more to learn.
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
@@reperfan4 the masks boost intelligence
@greekifreekifan8702 жыл бұрын
Forget returning to monke, these guys went back to rocke
@swelldritch27742 жыл бұрын
I would love a video explaining the Graven-Schools. I was shocked when I came across the one in the hidden area of that tower in Caelid. Definitely one of the most unique enemy designs in the game.
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
its dragon communion for sorcerers, basically the face ball is a star seed the cocoon version of the malformed stars that will eventually hatch into one
@kingdomcome39142 жыл бұрын
There is one near the real Sellen. Almost like foreshadowing.
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
@@kingdomcome3914 its protecting her since its also a graven mage and it wants her to succeed into becoming one
@metuos.36512 жыл бұрын
I can't help but wonder if harnessing the more "primal" magics always has a profound effect on the body. Primevil Current magic, Dragon spells, Madness, always transform the user in some way as an end result. The only seeming exception is Erdtree incantations, but that's how you get Elden Lords, so?
@snek6162 жыл бұрын
You think they all lead to some sort of adverse effects? Taking it even further and using bloodborne as a precident, maybe eventually they become what they study? Dragon spells eventually create dragons, primal spells eventually turn them into glintstone, which we could potentially see as being THE true form of sorcery right?
@watchfulwanderer64432 жыл бұрын
It seems to me that this is more a failed, or maybe incomplete, transformation, like the Magma Wyrms. They are transforming into glintstone, but rather than transforming into the likes of the Crystalians, they're just petrifying. Maybe it's because the Golden Order is still active that the Erdtree incantations don't have such an effect on the body, tough I'd bet that Crucible incantations do, and I doubt Goldmask was like that originally. The Frenzied Flame incantations are like that for everyone, though. There isn't any transformation for the Frenzied, just madness and death.
@metuos.36512 жыл бұрын
@@watchfulwanderer6443 One could argue that the madness IS the transformation, though. We already know from Yura that consuming dragon hearts, the only way to learn Dragon spells, eventually turns you into one. Madness draws you to the Three Fingers, permanently scarring your body, or giving yourself unto Shabriri. Destined Death, another primordial force, can cause these transformations too - look at Godwyn. He was fundamentally transformed by it as well.
@henriquefinger9352 жыл бұрын
@@metuos.3651 Godwyn was transformed by the perversion of death. True destined death wouldn't allow his existence.
@watchfulwanderer64432 жыл бұрын
@@metuos.3651 First off, Destined Death wasn't the sole cause of Godwyn's transformation, since the other soulless demigods aren't growing deathroot. He's buried at the base of the Erdtree, near both the roots of the Erdtree and the Crucible. Destined Death doesn't normally transform beings, Godwyn is an anomaly, and more Crucible than Destined Death anyways. The madness of the Frenzied Flame is different. The Primeval Sorcerers, the dragon-hearted, the Dragonkin Soldiers, etc, all tried transforming to reach greater heights of power/knowledge/whatever, and the Crucible's transformations are blessings from it. The madness caused by using a lot of Frenzyflame spells isn't an attempt at ascension or a blessing, they are the Frenzied Flame trying to destroy everything it can touch. It isn't a transformation because you aren't really transforming, just going insane. The Lordship of Frenzied Flame is a separate thing, just like Elden Lordship is a separate process from using Erdtree magic.
@HoraceKock2 жыл бұрын
this is a certified frenzied flame moment
@wafsack2702 жыл бұрын
Sellen is one of the most well written characters in the game imo and I really wish she had a mending rune attached to her quest. Restoring the primeval current would have probably made for an interesting ending.
@sacb0y2 жыл бұрын
Isn't it restored upon defeating radahn?
@AB-jt4rs2 жыл бұрын
@@sacb0y no, I think you're confused. Killing Rahdan only returns the stars to their natural cycle, which Rahdan had previously suspended
@wellnotme93542 жыл бұрын
And the weirdest part: It just ends. So abruptly, too. I think there has to be an expansion or an update to her story. It's linked to Ranni's but is just as important, if not more. The Primeval Current is so powerful, giving you the most powerful spell in the entire game is just part of its power. It must have an ending attached to it one day. Becoming a glintstone god, with the bitterness of your crown and your own magic eating you alive; now that, would be a good ending.
@sacb0y2 жыл бұрын
@@AB-jt4rs Are they not related? Surely the rotations of the stars and the primeval current have some relation. Sellen said herself glintstone sorcery is the study of the stars. I thought sellens goal was just restoring the academy to studying the stars and the current.
@sacb0y2 жыл бұрын
@@AB-jt4rs Hmm, I checked again and yeah she does say she wants to "restore" it.
@PierceArner2 жыл бұрын
It's interesting that Hex sorcery turns sacrificial blood into Red Glintstone, while other paths of sorcery are the green & blue that transform the sorcerer's own life essence and essentially their soul into Glintstone. Rarer still is the amber colour of stars like the shard Seluvis has you obtain and the egg Rennala is holding. I've always found it interesting that, like the Mass Graven-School, Astel is formed of shards of other stars with even a few of the rare amber shards being present on his body. Given that he looks so unlike the Fallingstar Beasts, and the eye that replaced Astel's brain and peers out through his cracked skull looks like the Primal Glintstone in Azur's head, I wonder if, back when they could be fought, if there were more plans to detail the Graven-Schools and artificial stars, as they seem to be a key element of Astel. Lastly, their unused attack animations look like the Sorcery of the Crozier weapon skill from the Watchdog's Staff. Of all the weapon skills, it's the one I've found most unexpected as the links to Erdtree burial guardians and sorcery aren't very significantly emphasized. It would make sense if some elements of that were initially meant to be explored with Lusat & Azur, and how the crystals are used to control the Imps, Watchdogs, & Golems, and why the Crystal Darts are able to short circuit them.
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
in the early trailer primeval current sorceries has a dark theme similar to the gravity/void that star fallen beasts use, gravity seems like a type of monster for the purpose of damage and certain weapons so i think the malformed stars found deep on the nameless eternal city are what a hatched star seed looks like
@ItsZorroDood2 жыл бұрын
"You know what you guys need? Knowledge of the Primeval Current."
@remito78392 жыл бұрын
Holy crap, thank you for reminding me of that absolute gem of a video!
@fuzzpope2 жыл бұрын
These uploads are like a mini chill-out session I use to shove the world back, even if only for a few minutes. Thanks for that.
@darkenedshrine62662 жыл бұрын
couldn't agree more!
@Dazen1012 жыл бұрын
I would love to see them as DLC bosses like the Godskin duo. The sorcerer bosses have been my favorite since it makes counterspelling with Eternal Darkness so fucking cool on full int builds.
@Randybobandy0242 жыл бұрын
Lusat and Azur at the same time? Are you crazy 😂
@zodd1312 жыл бұрын
Or maybe finding them battling each other in a big legacy dungeon-like arena, where you need to survive the tidal wave of spells, having to choose which one to kill first, then the boss fight with the other one starts
@Dazen1012 жыл бұрын
@@zodd131 I love that. I'm killing Lusat everytime in that situation tho. Easier to dodge the comet than the stars.
@SaHaRaSquad2 жыл бұрын
Oh, sure. What Elden Ring really needs are more broken duo bosses.
@ConstrictorDevlin2 жыл бұрын
@@SaHaRaSquad just put one godskin to sleep and voila, you are now fighting godskin solo
@TaosoftheVoid2 жыл бұрын
Personally, I don't think they lost their minds necessarily but more had their wills broken by what they saw and that they couldn't share it with anyone in their current state. "When Azur glimpsed into the primeval current, he saw darkness. He was left both bewitched and fearful of the abyss." - Comet Azur "When Lusat glimpsed into the primeval current, he beheld the final moments of a great star cluster, and upon seeing it, he too was broken." - Stars of Ruin I believe that Azur and Lusat didn't lose their minds by the time we found them, rather I believe they had lost all hope because they couldn't share their discoveries. We don't know how much they actually saw outside of their signature spells but they both were deeply changed by what they saw then - perhaps the astrologer who discovered the first sorcery had a similar reaction but was able to share those findings with others. I say this mostly because of what they both do when we go up to them: they give us their primeval spell. I don't imagine they just wrote it down and we happened to see it on their lap or in their hands - but Azur actually turns his hand to give it to us (can't remember with Lusat, I was staring at that head). They probably were either dying or turning into a Crystallian (I refuse to check the spelling on that, I hate those things) so I wouldn't be surprised if they thought there was no chance to pass on what they saw to others so the study could continue. That's the end of my weird theory, maybe next time I'll have something else to mention
@silenthero27952 жыл бұрын
I don't think that both Lusat and Azur didn't share the information to anyone. Radahn later learned the threat of the stars against Sellia so he stopped the stars' movement himself. I think they lost the will to live is because they realize they were so insignificant in the grand scale of the cosmos, that even the stars that they studied all of their lives dies just like everyone else.
@rwberger62 жыл бұрын
@@silenthero2795 Reminds me of that device from the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy series. It was seen as a sort of defacto-execution device as it made you able to comprehend had large the universe truly was and then showed you exactly how actually small and unimportant you were in the grand scheme of things. Everyone except one exception would be left basically comatose from depression over the realization.
@TaosoftheVoid2 жыл бұрын
@@silenthero2795 I don't think Radahn had any contact with them after they were kicked out. Sorcerers are descended from astrologers so that knowledge was probably passed down from then - and considering the Seluvis' set description, it probably was still studied to a degree. Radahn probably learned from the academy about the stars and whatever the threat specifically was (I just don't know it off top my head). I don't doubt they lost their will to live though, either because of a sort of lovecraftian realization about their world or that they were also being turned into glintstone - neither sounds good for your mental health but they still had their minds, enough to show us their primeval spell before either dying or just going dormant
@TheSuperRatt2 жыл бұрын
@@rwberger6 That would be pretty great, to be perfectly honest. I revel in how... *tiny* I am. It's truly beautiful! I can be at peace knowing that the world goes on beyond me. I imagine that would be downright dangerous for more egotistical people, however.
@markrobison51992 жыл бұрын
Side note, I love the petty " I refuse to see if I spelled Crystalarian right because I hate them" attitude. Reminds me of how I refuse to call Margaritta the Fel by his actual name and just keep using vaguely similar words.
@tylerjohnston43892 жыл бұрын
it’s always incredible to me that you have so much stuff to talk about with these games
@iLightbulb2 жыл бұрын
It's the developers that manage to put so much into these games
@teratoma.2 жыл бұрын
You could probably find equally notable details in other fictional worlds in video games, but the worlds are lot more generic and predictable so it's not nearly as interesting
@CheshireCad2 жыл бұрын
FromSoft games are an interesting mix of "Stuff that doesn't make sense until you assemble and analyze the scraps of information available to you" and "Stuff that doesn't make sense because the final stage of development was obviously rushed". Both of those make interesting content for someone able to dive deep into the inner workings of the games.
@joshhoward31852 жыл бұрын
The theme of staring into the abyss and the abyss stares back at you has always peaked my interest, ever since Bloodborne's Insight and frenzy. Shows the fragile foundation humanity has been built upon. No matter how much you pack, how big of a breakthrough you create, there's always this lingering Abyss that will put you back in check and make you understand that there are higher things that cannot and must not be fathomed. Just best to be left well alone. "In much Wisdom, is much Grief. And He that increaseth Knowledge, increaseth Sorrow."
@vyor88372 жыл бұрын
Meh, just shows a lack of ambition and wisdom. Everything can be understood and everything should. This doesn't mean we should jump in with our dick first of course, but if it can be studied it should be.
@nvrndingsmmr2 жыл бұрын
It piqued* your interest, not peaked.
@kanseidorifto24302 жыл бұрын
It might actually be “peaked”, if he attempted to perform said action. It’s actually possible to do such a thing but to do so makes it like the quote states, and your mind is undoubtedly going to take permanent damage
@JustinL6142 жыл бұрын
@@kanseidorifto2430 Piqued means to have been excited or aroused. I actually didn't know how it was spelled either.
@JustinL6142 жыл бұрын
I don't think that's what Nietzche was saying when he was talking about the abyss. There have been so many misinterpretations of his works in the modern day. Nietzche did not believe in anything "higher" at all or that there was anything to put us into check. He very specifically stated that he distrusted all systems of heirarchy and that nihilism/will to power should be pursued vehemently. You also put a bible quote at the end there. Pick a lane lol. The art world has taken all of this philosophy and religion, mashed it together in a big bowl and now we have so many contradictory ideas in conjunction that end up meaning nothing because they have been moved into the realm of subjective interpretation.
@mx20002 жыл бұрын
It is amazing how this game manages to tell so much with so little. Other games may have thousands of lines of dialogue, this game has depth.
@amirnasir25042 жыл бұрын
Be careful Zullie this could happen to you, peering into the unknown...
@nathanfrandon27982 жыл бұрын
Ballin' Zullie would be a sight to behold.
@leyrua Жыл бұрын
Azur's subtle hand motion before going utterly still gave me CHILLS. It was like watching the last breath of a dying man being used to whisper his final secret, and secure his legacy.
@KT-fb8hm2 жыл бұрын
Sellen's questline seems to me like a play on transhumanism. The replacement of their bodies with anorganic material, as well as the merging of mind into one entity, may seem like a tragic fate to some, though it is probably exactly what Azur, Lusat and Sellen wanted to achieve.
@platinumdragon30072 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure about Sellen, her state seems more like a failure state to me. She seems like she's in pain and she's no longer able to lead the Academy. Also, there are other enemies in the game that look like what she turns into, the Schools of Graven Mages, and you'd expect this state to be rare if it was an example of a success. The Graven-School Talisman's wording even seems to imply this is something typically done to OTHER mages, basically using them as test subjects, not to oneself. Azur and Lusat may be happy with what they turned into, given that they don't seem like they're in pain and more like they've transcended mortality, but I doubt Sellen is. It feels like she overreached, probably by trying to merge with Azur and Lusat. I could be wrong though, maybe this is what she wanted to become, and maybe she isn't even in pain.
@NoConsequenc32 жыл бұрын
all body modification is transhumanism. This however goes beyond that, this is post-humanism
@SuppositionalBox2 жыл бұрын
@@platinumdragon3007 I think it was mentioned somewhere that being turned into the spheres of heads was a form of punishment that was enacted onto a mage. If that's true, Renalla probably did it to her when she tried to oust her lol
@platinumdragon30072 жыл бұрын
@@SuppositionalBox Rennala doesn't seem all that powerful in her current state, though... or lucid, for that matter. Maybe Ranni had a hand in it?
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
@@SuppositionalBox this is objectively wrong since she only turns if you tell her where lusat is, this was a intentional, deliberate and possibly successful attempt at becoming a star seed, the only question is whether it will hatch into a star
@Randybobandy0242 жыл бұрын
Man this quest is so underrated. Barely no one talks about it but it's my favorite questline Sorry ranni, sorry Alexander
@aK1baby2 жыл бұрын
on top this questline can have different outcomes - even a possible way to succeed AND save Sellen from transforming :)
@NibNibNib2 жыл бұрын
I think it feels a bit poorly put together and kind of lost along the way in development. Sellen becoming a graven mass that's just pushed to the side seems like some major parts are missing. I think it's bordering on cut content. I still love what they're going for, but it feels a bit like some of dark souls 2 quests that have huge chunks missing and end up just as strange fetch quests.
@Randybobandy0242 жыл бұрын
@@aK1baby for real? :O how?
@platinumdragon30072 жыл бұрын
@@Randybobandy024 by not finding Lusat for her, and thus ending her questline prematurely.
@ThorDude Жыл бұрын
There seems to be a recurring theme in FromSoft's works about the dangers of power and not to get greedy with it. But specifically in Elden Ring - Many incantations derive power from outer gods who can and will take you over for their own ends. (Think Fell God, Frenzied Flame, Formless Mother.) Finding the primeval current does awful things like what happened to Sellen, Azur and Lusat. Apparently consuming even one dragon heart will doom you to becoming a Wyrm. Rykard basically got taken over by the God Devouring Serpent. Radahn wound up fighting the greatest warrior in the Lands Between and getting consumed by Scarlet Rot as a consequence. Marika lost her kingdom via her male essence. Ranni has to undertake a 1000 year journey to achieve her goals.
@seelcudoom12 жыл бұрын
two things of note with these guys, the first is that both there crowns state "removed from his body, it is all but dead" implying there crystal brains are somehow still alive(if only barely), the second is that the concept of there skull bursting open with glintstone inside replacing the brain resembles Astel who has a very human looking skull for a face, which is cracked open revealing what appears to be a crystaline eye inside, which Lusats crown also resembles a giant crystal eye, perhaps at one point they were connected but the idea was abandoned? or perhaps even that they were intended to be one in the same, with the moveset we see here being phase 1(almost certainly a deacons of the deep scenario where the swarm of ads are more threatening then the main boss) and Astel originally being phase 2
@jaydee33922 жыл бұрын
It's an interesting idea for sure, when I encountered Astel I was like "damn that looks like the great ones wisdom item from BB" so it would've been cool if Astel is the result of forbidden research. I was actually running with this as my head canon for a minute, then I realized his name is "natural born of the void" lol. With that in mind I like the implication that the inhabitants of the void are connected to bloodborne
@seelcudoom12 жыл бұрын
@@jaydee3392 its still possible notably the description refers to the head piece as an "it" rather then "he" meaning whatever it is despite being there crystalized brains it is NOT the primeval sorcerers, perhaps they are parasites and thus astel is simply the mature version?
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
@@seelcudoom1 the sorcerer's is in a primal glintstone and these stones have veins almost like a fetus so its possible that is what happens when it eventually outgrows the body
@jq47672 жыл бұрын
Another great video! The sorcery stuff in this game remains so thematically incredible even if the various spells in execution can get a bit outclassed by the variety of faith options at times.
@colinwhelan20992 жыл бұрын
Given this information, I can imagine a questline that was cut in development where another NPC who followed the two would ask us to kill them since that's no way to live, or maybe their physical forms were the last thing keeping them from merging with the Primeval Current. Something along those lines
@GuitarGuise2 жыл бұрын
Dunno if the general sentiment has changed since, but I remember people getting PISSED at Sellen's ending, because they wanted a happy ending for her. They were saying things like, "C'mon From Soft, just give us one happy quest line!" I recall thinking it was an odd reaction to specifically Sellen. She is not a good person, even if she is genuine with her intentions. Her studies were heretical largely because she sacrificed many. I like her, because she just wants to understand things. But she also deserved her fate 🤷 (Plus, we do get a few happy endings in From Soft games. Solaire gets past his depression and helps the player out for the final boss fight, possibly linking the flame himself in his own world 🙂)
@rafsandomierz53132 жыл бұрын
You can save Boc, Melina has an dialouge at grace mentioning how you can do it.
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
you killed far more than her and same for ranni so quit with the hypocrisy
@syrenet2 жыл бұрын
Would be nice if the 2 of the very specialized spells each of them gives, are designed to end their miserable torment one may call life. and those where the only things in game to be able damage them. Thus the fact they give you their spell away so easily would be cry for help.
@williepete19692 жыл бұрын
Actually that would be gay
@syrenet2 жыл бұрын
@@williepete1969 Whelp, better to star bent over my dude.
@CheshireCad2 жыл бұрын
This is an example of a questline that seems fully fleshed-out from a lore perspective, without any huge chunks of important content missing from it. The player is given enough information to form coherent theories on their own. There's some criticism for how obscure some of the steps are, in a way that nobody would guess without a guide. And Sellen herself does somewhat fall victim to the same "offscreen death" problem that plagues most other questlines. But at least in her case, we can reasonably guess that her transformation was the result of meddling with the Primeval Current.
@clockworkowl62482 жыл бұрын
...and trying to overthrow Rennala in the very place Ranni is watching over.
@SophiaLilithUwU2 жыл бұрын
@@clockworkowl6248 that has nothing to do with it.
@pastorofmuppets45522 жыл бұрын
Azur is the more disturbing case to me. It looks like rigor mortis set in while he was meditating.
@axllow39142 жыл бұрын
I'm constantly in awe of the implications of sorcery in this world, with the threat of the Graven Schools, Azur, Lusat, and people slowly turning into rocks, glintstones, as if the study of sorcery itself is a process of glintstoneification, it's truly fascinating
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
when you realize the soul of the sorcerer is on the primal glintstone so they can just change bodies if they wanted to, its intentional they are trying to learn how to mimic stars like the elden beast, its the dragon communion but for sorcerers and I guess it has similar levels of success, i prefer the magma wyrm over the star seed graven mass but its implied they will hatch so who knows? maybe it will turn out better in the end
@marvcollins78422 жыл бұрын
Funny part is when Sellen thanks you for helping her out and says Rennala is gone for good, but the moment you rest at the Grace Rennala is there again and so is the giant ball thing.
@TheNobleFive2 жыл бұрын
Sellen couldn't handle the primeval sorcery and accidentally turned herself into that.
@nightscout99792 жыл бұрын
Rennala is even still in the room before Sellen transforms, she's just pushed behind a bookcase behind Sellen.
@SophiaLilithUwU2 жыл бұрын
@@nightscout9979 Sellen: "My apprentice, rest assured the false queen is gone for good, pay no mind to the conspicuously queen sized book shelf behind me!"
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
wrong
@SophiaLilithUwU2 жыл бұрын
@@colorpg152 no u
@aristobrat49872 жыл бұрын
the animations likely were to show that this is what happens when you go too far in your pursuit of the beyond. you become part of the beyond , no longer yourself. they are still all powerful , but they are not themselves. theyve taken on a singular look , similar to the crystalians slim face. not feature related just more how thin they are , how very thin and covered in crystal they are. this is why when they move , it is but a slow flinch of their arms. i think it shows how little of themselves are left after their research. they ward off those who would share their fate , a fate theyd never wish on any of their beloved students. Raya Lucaria is almost like a family , we see so much art of faces like family photos all over the castle and carian manor. magic , was like the love a family shares. but these two saw something so tempting they had to meet it. Selfish maybe to keep such wisdom to themselves , only passing down bits and pieces to their students. But in the end I think they were not banished , I think they left on their own after rennala had a talking to them about the forbidden magic only she was allowed to endure. (her talisman says the moon is in direct contact with her , so something very powerful is keeping rennala safe from the physical corruption that comes with her studies) But because they used forbidden magic , and rennala was very clear about that, they have to be "banished" or removed from the school to show the students that even the masters are to follow the rules set by the Full Moon Witch
@aristobrat49872 жыл бұрын
but wait ones in jail the other is up on a montain hiding.... maybe rennala really did lock them up. but fucking how did azure get out of prison ? or was he even locked up at all ? see now my whole comments falling apart before my eyes lmao
@NotOnLand2 жыл бұрын
I kind of wish they kept the attacks, I love the idea of these mighty sorcerers being so immobilized they can only shoot basic magic
@SyndicateOperative2 жыл бұрын
Well, that was beautiful. Honestly, I think I've come to enjoy your videos more than the actual game; you find a sort of majesty and elegance in the story/lore that I just can't find on my own anymore. Thanks for that.
@Leo_Zackular_Art2 жыл бұрын
I think they’ve achieved a level of intelligence that surpasses the human experience, and live on a different plane similar to bloodbornes dreams and nightmares
@TheGirlInFandomWorld2 жыл бұрын
You've heard of lining your brain with eyes, now get ready for *replacing* your brain with *crystals!*
@s_ludge2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love the designs on these dudes. The academy sorcerers can fuck right off with their bs attacks, but these dudes, they're cool. I use their armor in a battlemage build.
@LemonCreature2 жыл бұрын
Yeah coming across the body of Lusat in that cave is certainly creepy. It does make me wonder about the implications of all the Glintstone stuff could be. Those Graven-school things creep my out too, and I had no idea Sellen could become a part of one. Is that where she goes if you complete her questline and side with her? I feel like I must go find her now if that is the case...
@SaHaRaSquad2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@brandonwilliams40502 жыл бұрын
Glintstone reminds me heavily of Red Lyrium from the *Dragon Age* game series. The short explanation is that a magical blue crystal called Lyrium can enhance magical abilities and mages (and certain warriors using supernatural powers) utilize it in various forms. It is dangerous to use and long term consumption can have hazardous effects. There is an evil/corrupted version of this called Red Lyrium that is similar to normal Lyrium yet it is incredibly more powerful and easier to use. However it literally consumes its users, growing throughout their bodies and eventually turning them into rampaging crystal monsters. This Red Lyrium It similarly grows across the land, causing massive crystal formations and infecting wildlife as well as people. Sound familiar? Glintstone is said by Sellen to be “amber of the stars”. Considering creatures like Astel and the Falling Star Beasts are called “stars” I imagine that meaning that glintstone is a byproduct of beings outside the Lands Between. Lyrium in Dragon Age also was a byproduct produced by superior beings, which adds yet another link in the chain.
@gummyboots2 жыл бұрын
Azur’s set might be my favorite set in all of Fromsoft’s games
@deviousdoggo55342 жыл бұрын
I used to find the stone heads a bit laughable and of goofy design, but digging into the lore of the academy it's just astoundingly interesting and I love it.
@Rexfuselier2 жыл бұрын
There hats do be looking fresh if I'm being real. Especially lusat and his fishbowl
@LautrecOfCarim2 жыл бұрын
I'm sure they'ld get along really well with Master Willem. Heh.
@joekewl75392 жыл бұрын
Methinks the original plan was for you to encounter them in their sorry states and you're expected to.. put them out of their misery. Would explain why their gear drops upon death.
@fayenieman86552 жыл бұрын
these guys are so cool they're what got me to stop and really read every description in sight
@vaskopoh95122 жыл бұрын
Those death animations are likely used when we complete sellen qchain and load into Caelid and Gelmir
@DarkSoul19922 жыл бұрын
Imagine standing in that tiny prison cell and the last thing you witness, is a Comet Azur out of nowhere, absolutely blasting the living shit out of your char. Sounds fun.
@gholosco11222 жыл бұрын
I always wonder what was going on in the location we find Azur in. First there's the Craftsman's Shack which presumably refers to some off-screen genius who constructed the pulley (cross)bow and likely the abductor virgins as well. This also may have been the hermit of the Hermit Village (which is a pretty contradictory name in itself, as a hermit is someone who lives alone and a village are people living together); other options would be errant sorcerer Wilhelm, whose set is found here, or Azur himself. Then there are a bunch of dead windmill celebrants lying around, a family of demi-humans somehow allied with sorcerers, and finally Azur just sitting there out in the open. It makes absolutely no sense to me.
@michaelwerkov34382 жыл бұрын
ugh... im aggravated... i watched a video recently that made some interesting points about the creation of abductor virgins... ... but i dont remember the points or the video
@fosterbennington64052 жыл бұрын
The sorcerers die if you kill the demi-human queen, so I wonder if they’re actually still alive. They obviously used to be, since we find sorcerers guarding the other teacher, but I suspect the Demi-human queen wanted Azur’s magic for herself and massacred the place. As for the village being a “hermit village” it’s likely because Raya Lucaria’s hermits make pilgrimage to Azur and used to stop there for a time, hence why we find the errant sorcerer set there.
@arcky41372 жыл бұрын
@@fosterbennington6405 they die because they are part of the boss fight, all bosses with adds behave like that
@rieJW2 жыл бұрын
Everything has got me hyped for the dlc especially waking miquella up
@WaywardRobot2 жыл бұрын
I think it's very possible that not only Glintstone itself is sentient, but also parasitic and it spread much like a fungus or slime mold. I think it might also explain why glintstone deposits respawn when smithing stone doesn't. It came from outer space, too, so it makes it even more likely, like how the Fallingstar monsters seem to be mineral-based, and use similar "magic-based" powers. It "infects" things in a similar way the Scarlet Rot does, physically changing their attributes, like the Miralda flowers, and the dragons you find in the area.
@Thepher62 жыл бұрын
"The primeval current is a forbidden tradition of glintstone sorcery. To those who cleave to its teachings, the act of collecting sorcerers to fashion them into the seeds of stars is but another path of scientific inquiry." So... wait... was this Sellen's goal?... did she... succeed??? I made the assumption that this was a surprise punishment
@platinumdragon30072 жыл бұрын
That wording, to me, implies that making Schools of Graven Mages is something typically done to others, using other mages as test subjects essentially. I doubt Sellen's fate is something she wanted, given how powerless and even in pain she seems to be. Azur and Lusat at least seem tranquil, potentially "ascended", even though I'm not sure they were specifically looking to become immobile half-crystal men either.
@Thepher62 жыл бұрын
@@platinumdragon3007 I watched a long video on the Primeval Current... pretty cool lore. Anyway you're right, Sellen didn't want this. Now she's like the other failures she probably created. I liked her, but then turns out she's a heartless bitch. But now I can wear Lusat's and Azur's actual former brains as a hat, lmao, this game!
@platinumdragon30072 жыл бұрын
@@Thepher6 yeah, she's a very charming and interesting character, which is why I think a lot of players (including myself) like her and sympathize with her. But it definitely seems like there's a darker side to her, and she's probably behind at least some of the Schools of Graven Mages.
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
i would say yes since she can speak and use magic
@CHR1SZ72 жыл бұрын
@@platinumdragon3007 Thops’ dialogue strongly implies Sellen created many of the graven schools: “But Sellen was expelled from the academy. Accused of unthinkable treatment of certain sorcerers, under the name of the Graven Witch.”
@m.douglas84922 жыл бұрын
Video 14 of asking zullie to show what the hell is going on in leyndell catacombs.
@Furigou2 жыл бұрын
What IS going on down there?
@siegwardinspirit2 жыл бұрын
I don't think writing comments like this is very useful to your cause. From what I've seen, it just makes people want to do it less and less. At the very least, formulate it a bit differently. This "day X of asking for Y" is a bit passive aggressive. Just address them directly, show them a bit of respect as a fellow human.
@m.douglas84922 жыл бұрын
@@Furigou I dunno.
@fernandes3272 жыл бұрын
I felt so bad for what happened to Selen , i remember going back to the school a while after finishing her quest, and there she was moaning and deformed, it was sad...
@wellnotme93542 жыл бұрын
She absolutely did it to herself. Sellen wants power, no matter what. Gathering Lusat and Azur was her way to make herself into a ball of pure intelligence. What I truly think is that, in a possible future DLC, expansion, or update to this story, Sellen needs you to create or gather a new body for her and do a glintstone transfer again. Then, she would be able to cast and be able-bodied but yet have the power of both Lusat and Azur. Really, Sellen's knowledge of soul-transfer is so weird. She can become anything, but if one day she gets another apprentice, she can become anybody else, again. Also, this slots in to the theory that Sellen is Nokron's Night Maiden, namesake of Sellia and centuries old: Once a body gets too old to cast, she uses projection to try and find an apprentice who will find or create a new body for her to live on. It's possible that Sellen has turned herself into a School many times before, getting the knowledge of many just to get a new body to be able to practice her sorcery in. I don't know, and to me it seems like I am wayyy too interested into Sellen's story but it has so many implications for the Lands Between. Is the Primeval Current able to unlock a new slice of the magic world entirely? Is it named blasphemous for its power or something else? And if it is the latter, what is it? So interesting this wing of magic, so undocumented and mysterious that it seems of infinite power yet is named blasphemous. There must be an expansion to this storyline to clear things up.
@fernandes3272 жыл бұрын
@@wellnotme9354 Even though she might have done that to herself, it is still sad haha, the way she talks to you after you go back there... Interesting theory though, at first i thought it was Queen Rennala who had put Sellen in her place...
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
@@wellnotme9354 me too i hope there is a dlc about the primeval current
@gamemaster26382 жыл бұрын
"Feeble cursed one! Do you think you can manage the glories that are my spells? Hahahaha!"
@Grabnok2 жыл бұрын
I hope we can touch on the Graven Schools. It's an interesting concept, and I don't know if there are many clues as to how it happens and why. Also, while it's distinctly possible Sellen was deserving of some kind of retribution, as she no doubt had no small part in creating Graven Schools, I feel like there was hope for her. She wanted to open up the Academy. She wanted to allow knowledge to be more readily available to all who wished to learn. And in the end, whether you were a blunstone or a genius, she appreciated what you did for her and swore her loyalty to you. :( She would've loved Thops.
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
you are mistaking what happened, its not a accident its on purpose, the graven mass talisman describes the balls as star seeds, its like a cocoon for malformed stars, its the dragon communion for sorcerers
@Grabnok2 жыл бұрын
@@colorpg152 Ah. Well it seems like a...GRAVE MISTAKE. Well, it always seemed to be something akin to magical blowback in a way. Like she messed with something she shouldn't have, or looked too far into the primeval current. It's like she's in agonizing pain, barely coherent to the things around her except her precious apprentice.
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
@@Grabnok its hard to speak when you have no vocal cords, remember she is fully inorganic with no mouth at this point, but she can speak and teach spells so clearly she isn't a vegetable and we know those balls are capable of teleportation, flight and casting so who knows its ambiguous at best
@Grabnok2 жыл бұрын
@@colorpg152 The wouldn't she be unable go speak at all being a giant rock? Unless there's a physical remnant of Sellen buried in there are there's some kind of movement. Oh God...what if her head is still left over in one of those masks? Also, I still don't think she intended to become THAT. She might've tried to do SOMETHING, but she seemed determined to lead the Academy and side with the new Elden Lord. I doubt she could do that as a big rock. Even if they believed them to be star seeds, it still feels like a grand mistake.
@kerianhalcyon27692 жыл бұрын
Considering the state they are in, it would be cool if using the Law of Regression spell would actually kill them or otherwise revert them to a state where they are more mobile. It'll be great to see a more in-depth look at the Primeval Current in future DLCs for Elden Ring.
@enderkatze61292 жыл бұрын
"Azur" is a shade of blue. Yet he's the one with the Green glintstones.
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
azure is a bluish green so it makes sense
@RDG992 жыл бұрын
When chatting with sorcerers and they say they're rock hard right now
@r.m.59262 жыл бұрын
I really wish they gave Sellen a unique crystal look like azur and lusat if you side with her, it'd still have the same impact and it'd be cooler than a ball on the ground
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
look at the top of her head, its larger than when you first meet her so her crystal is certainly growing
@_Stalc_2 жыл бұрын
Albriech was also starting to grow his own primeval crystals if you removed his hat, he's growing blood star glintstones growths under the wraps. Lusat is growing into a voidborne and wonder if the eye is some how parasitic like the greater will. I don't think it was an accident that envoys look like they're growing bulbous heads too at the haligtree cocoons and use holy version of claymen magic that they also look like astelbubbles/glintstoneorbs (w/e the orbs the marionette play with before dropping) growth has taken place. I wonder how much involvement crystallians have with voidborne beings like alabaster lords also comprised of sediment, and they might be from space too and can be affected by outergod influences like the rot crystals. I also think starcaller followers are growing meteorites through their hoods in similar fashion or maybe everyone is inserting rocks like sellens glintstone core and do not grow them normally.
@pdragon6192 жыл бұрын
With their attack and death animations I could see it being a thing where you're sent to kill these infamous heretical sorcerers, but when you get to them you see they're these near immobile husks who are so far gone that they can't even use their powerful sorceries to defend themselves, all they can do is spurt out these feeble little pebbles. Cue you questioning whether or not you're the real monster etc. etc. It feels like a very Fromsoft twist for a quest.
@leadfaun2 жыл бұрын
They do react to attacks. If you hit them before they can give you their spell, they’ll reset their animation.
@kevincatal88692 жыл бұрын
Maybe they originally planned for you to get the staves along with the armor sets but moved them later
@filipgasic26422 жыл бұрын
What even is the primeval current? I never understood that. Is it something outerworldy, or from some outer god, maybe something from the void like Astel, or a very old star that exploded or something abstract that just is
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
there is another mage the one from the errant robes that says he contacted the primeval current so i think its the source of stars like the crucible but for int
@filipgasic26422 жыл бұрын
@@colorpg152 hmm cool, it's a bit more clear but still sounds like something abstract. Maybe that what it's supposed to be
@severalcakes3267 Жыл бұрын
“Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing…”
@skerei63692 жыл бұрын
This game has so much mystery and amazing secrets in it, it blows my mind. I’m so excited for DLC for ER. Usually the dlc of souls games are where it gets crazy, but the base game was absolutely bonkers so the dlc is going to be mind boggling.
@Tarnished-bn5gq2 жыл бұрын
I like how sorcery always has a very sinister underlying story to it in the series. With Dark Souls, it was created by one of the most evil characters imaginable as a means to corrupt innocent people, driving them down his path. In Elden Ring, sorcery causes one of the most horrid fates in the game, a catatonic state of gradual crystallization.
@kiptheott59322 жыл бұрын
In Demon's Souls it's one of the Soul Arts, practices that draw from the Old One's powers and which kicked off all the events of the game (though miracles are implied to also be a soul art as well).
@kanseidorifto24302 жыл бұрын
Bloodborne’s Arcane also focuses on that topic. Using the echoes of people past in all their suffering and pain and manifest it as a miracle of the gods.
@Tarnished-bn5gq2 жыл бұрын
@@kiptheott5932 magic is never a good thing in souls games, aside from magic derived from humanity, anyway.
@Tarnished-bn5gq2 жыл бұрын
@@kanseidorifto2430 bloodtinge is fueled by the blood and misery of countless innocents, so is Arcane/Blood Magic in Elden Ring.
@jaceyates63152 жыл бұрын
@@Tarnished-bn5gq idk even humanity has its connections to chaos magic
@clockworkowl62482 жыл бұрын
You kind of need eyes(that is looking at the material world) to aim those signature spells, and all of the showcased spells in the duo's arsenal seem to be undirected or self-guiding. Ranni may have *helped* Sellen a bit, given she watches over the grand library and Rennala, and she seems to have a thing for karmic end for villains(as seen in case of Pidia).
@platinumdragon30072 жыл бұрын
Interesting observation, about the spells!
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
stop simping
@trustmeits610pm22 ай бұрын
Ranni didn't lift a finger to help Blaidd or Iji. Just left them to die. She only (presumably) kills Pidia because he was within reach and a loose end. Ranni doesn't recognize the player even if we fight Rennala first. Pretty sure the Puppet Rennala is merely a magical construct and Ranni's message is... pre-recorded? Either way it's kind all kind of vague. We (the player) don't really ever get a good idea of how magic works in this fictional universe. We just shoot pew pews.
@Fausto_48412 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing! I'm just getting to this quest now. I stopped at the two abductor virgins boss fight and forgot to go back.
@DeafSprungoffical2 жыл бұрын
The music is so good dude it really immersed me in the lore for a min
@tommyrodriguez5772 жыл бұрын
Not only are your videos made with soul, you actually credit the music you use unlike most of the mouth breathers that make vids like this.
@foxmind24902 жыл бұрын
I was so sad when I saw Sellen end up that way at the end of her quest line. I genuinely liked her as a character and thought that Sellen was going to use the egg to rebirth herself once more out of her puppet body into a new Rennala. Nope, that didn't happen at all. When I heard her speak in that literally disembodied voice, my heart broke. Thanks FromSoftware...
@Zades1452 жыл бұрын
I always just progress her quest to the point she’s taken over Raya Lucaria and then just never give her the final crystal from Lusat lol, secret best ending
@kaisernightfall4172 жыл бұрын
Btw, for a "perfect rebirth" you need the great rune you get after defeating Rennala. Basicly, you are the only one who could use her rebirth without hurting yourself. That's why another lovely npc has a sad fate if you don't know that
@foxmind24902 жыл бұрын
@@kaisernightfall417 Yeah, I know. Boc learned that the hard way if you didn't tell him he was beautiful.
@kaisernightfall4172 жыл бұрын
@@foxmind2490 yea that poor little fella was just too precious for this world
@hellxapo5740Ай бұрын
Ok hear me out: my theory is that every time you cast their sorceries you are conjuring the a part of the master himself, as in, it's a literal piece of the guy manifested in energy. If Sellen can do that stone trick to be transported to a new body then these guys can do something that otherworldly.
@TheHonoredMadman2 жыл бұрын
Sellen refers to them as nigh on a child of stars by now
@monsieurdorgat68642 жыл бұрын
I love this kind of "inorganic life" idea they're going for here. It makes them seem truly alien and something genuinely not ken to life on earth, the opposite of Bloodborne's "You're actually related to this horrifying alien thing" idea.
@doarner2 жыл бұрын
My theory is that Azur and Lusat are the previous forms of Astel, the glintstone consumes their brain and head then mutate or hatch in the forms we know, leaving the arms and skull, last remains of the human they were before. Just like in Brainsuckers or the Winter Lantern in Bloodborne.
@bones86192 жыл бұрын
1:40 Imagine hitting what is basically a corpse and it annihilates you with a beam of magic
@gibbons95992 жыл бұрын
Flying too close to the cosmos on wings of glintstone.
@john29532 жыл бұрын
I love your videos, but it's so difficult to watch and read at the same time. It's just an ideia, but you could have one of those google voices or something like that to talk while you show those really interesting things from the games! Anyway, thank you for the video
@anonimosemnome20632 жыл бұрын
That would be great
@ladyabaxa2 жыл бұрын
I find it easier to follow as text. Few people who use voiceover in videos add captions so if you're trying to watch in a noisy room or if you're having trouble making out even parts of what they're saying you lose track of what's going on easily. With text I can easily pause if I need to.
@john29532 жыл бұрын
@@ladyabaxa I disagree, but understand what you're saying. Like I said, it's just an ideia
@MortalMercury2 жыл бұрын
Zullie, do you know something about the glowing skulls that drop runes? Their location make me think they are multiplayer related like the vagrants but people have seen them offline too
@krishnansubramoni78012 жыл бұрын
Are you talking about the small skulls that are littered everywhere and give you Golden Rune 1s?
@MortalMercury2 жыл бұрын
@@krishnansubramoni7801 Yes
@astronautical10602 жыл бұрын
Upon reaching Raya Lucaria, my first thoughts were of Bloodborne, given it’s similar nature to Byrgenwerth and the ornamentation of the environments there (astronomical instruments, mass gravestones, etc.), and the nearly-catatonic state of these two sorcerers just reinforces that with their similarity to Master Willem.
@The_Bromodo2 жыл бұрын
Something I find rather interesting about Lusat's hat is that the unusual formation seems very similar to the eye ball seen poking out of Astel's skull, as well as the skull of the Full-Grown Fallingstar Beast when it enters phase 2. And given how Lusat apparently forsaw a comet in his vision granted by the Primevil Current, it's possible he may have been turning into a star like what powers Astel, or possibly even into a Fallingstar Beast. Or it's just FromSoft reusing assets *Shrugs*
@colorpg1522 жыл бұрын
that is the goal of those balls they are star seeds and astel is a malformed star