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Best bit an electric car in the Winter? Using the app to heat the car before you leave and melt the ice off the windows. Get in a nice warm car and head to work while everyone else is scraping, spraying and moaning.

As a first time EV owner, entering my first winter, I found this video to be very helpful. I've admired your honest, down to earth videos for quite a while now and would certainly recommend them for any new EV driver who wants to get their heads round all things EV. As you rightly say, range loss occurs on ANY vehicle in the UK during the winter months. It's just that ICE vehicle owners have pretty much ignored it because the loss doesn't equate to range anxiety in their minds. I reckon once the public charging network is as well developed as filling stations for ICE vehicles, this whole "range anxiety" issue will disappear. It has for me and I've only been driving my Kona EV for 6 months. I actually used the pre-heat function, via the Hyundai app, for the first time a few days ago and it was a real treat. Something I'd never been able to enjoy so conveniently with any of the ICE cars I'd had in the past. No going back to scraping windows in the cold for me now! 😁😁

Good rule of thumb guide here. Main takeaways for non-EV drivers should be that (like almost every other perceived negative of EVs), they're outweighed by the positives. In 2 years/25k miles I had my first delay due to range loss last week. I regularly do a return journey to London and don't need to charge. This time I stayed overnight and it happened to be the coldest night of the year. I also did three short journeys within London with the car getting completely cold every time. When I started my journey home, the route planner said you'll arrive with -4% charge and plotted a route via a charger. There were a couple of roadwork sections on the motorway, so the range improved and it took the charging stop out of the plan. By myself I probably would have risked it, but with family onboard and at midnight in freezing weather I decided to stop anyway. I stopped for a 4 minute charge (30 miles added range), about 7 minutes added to journey. I arrived home with 31 miles range. Those 7 minutes need to be set against the fact that four times I got into a warm car (including twice when other people were scraping), I saved £35 in congestion/ULEZ charge, £8 in parking. And that's ignoring the daily/average benefits of always getting into a car at the perfect temperature, never having to visit a petrol station etc

We picked up our first EV today. Thanks to videos by yourself and others I am much better equipped to use my vehicle wisely! Also, heated seats and steering wheel for the WIN! 😁👍

The reason ICE cars are less affected by the weather is that they heat the cabin with their waste heat. They don't have to use an extra energy to heat them because their so inefficient and spew heat out left right and centre they've got plenty to direct at the air ducts.

Heated seats and a heated steering wheel are probably the most important things you need in an EV. Allows for a slightly lower cabin temperature (at least as long as you are alone) and still comfortable driving conditions.

On the coldest days I find two things help my range (LEAF) 1. use preheat to defrost car and warm up cabin. 2. Set car to charge after starting heating, this has the effect of warming the battery pack slightly. My loss of range seems to be less the longer my journey, short journeys really drain things quickly, whilst a steady main road trip gives a better range. Range per KwH increases as the running gear in the car warms up, (bearings , drive train and tyres) 20% seems about right on the coldest days.

Hyundai Ioniq 5: Range in summer 300. Range in winter 230. Heating on level 1 and 20 degrees - range 200. Real world range 186. Amount of charging required a week x3. Cost charging public with 2022 electric prices: £136 a week. Heated seats and wheel are nice but when it's -5 out - heating inside is necessary. I got rid of it and back to petrol. NOTE: The Tesla model 3 was much much better in winter than the Ioniq 5.

I've ordered a Fiat 500e to replace my Twingo GT which will arrive later this month. Like its identically sized predecessor, it will be parked overnight in my small integral garage, so this video is very helpful.

Love this guys delivery and realism - Learnt so much waiting for my 1st EV to be delivered. I'm a Dad, always moaning about the open windows, bound to have a frickin great Parka on standby in the boot - It will be the modern version of the Trilby on the parcelshelf I expect...

Thanks for the useful info - picking up my 1st EV in January (Kia Soul), so helpful info for the winter months - and thx for the signposting to smart home charge. [Nice to see some familiar roads around Crosshills and the A629!]

Absolutely spot on Andy. It's an art here in Norway driving an EV in winter and having a toasty warm pre-heated car at -20c without having to first go inside a freezing diesel or petrol car and then scraping the ice and snow for fifteen minutes. Give me an EV anytime 😊 Typical Daily Mail and media comments 🙄....

Very good , timely video, and now for the ...just a couple of things. The 12V battery is charged from...the traction battery, so energy is energy. And for me , one of the biggest losses I ever had was with driving into a constant headwind on a journey, drastic and worst loss I ever had, that and rain/snow resistance for tyres also is a chunk of range. Wind caused 30% loss, November 2020. But generally 15-20% seems about right for this... MG ZS and Leaf 30 experience.

With the last two diesel cars I've had, I'd find that economy would drop closer to 10% than 15%, in general, partly mitigated because a) I'm miserly with air con in summer, and b) I cover my windscreen and front side windows in winter (idling with the air con on full blast isn't going to win any efficiency awards). If EVs technically lose a higher percentage of their range in colder weather, I imagine that won't be the case in a few years.

One thing that may not be a factor in the UK but definitely is a factor in reducing range here in Canada is the change to winter tires for almost 1/2 of each year. Winter tires reduce the efficiency of all cars, regardless of what fuel pushes them. I’m going into my 5th winter with my 1st generation (2017) Hyundai Ioniq and I have to say, with a rated range of 200 km, I’m still getting 240-250 km in warm weather but, as soon as I put on the winter tires, the range drops to 190-210 km. I’m semi-retired now but had a 140 km round trip commute up until COVID came along and, winter or summer, the only place I ever needed to recharge was at home.

I didn't notice you highlight the separate actions of : A warming the cabin, which is great of course, and B preconditioning the battery by warming it up while still plugged in, so that it is at its best. But another great video, thanks!

I've been driving a 2017 e-golf from new in Canada and I agree with all you've said: average ~20% range loss in winter. As you said, it varies depending on temp; at -10*C loss of %15, at -20*C loss of 20-25%, at -40*C up to 45-50%. Loss of about 1-2% with winter tires (not all-season, actual winters). Had a diesel jetta before and cabin heating is way more comfortable for short trips now. Only issue for long trips with this car is lvl3 charging is noticeably slower than in summer (no battery management - air cooled batt).

As I’m a soft Lancashire lad I set the climate control at 21c a year ago today. I’m sure it’s different for a hard tight ass Yorkshireman. 🤣

It isn’t actually a triple Whammy. If you heat the battery up then you won’t have efficiency losses from the battery being cold. At most it is a double Whammy.

Great channel…. Picked up our new Skoda enyaq 80x with heat pump yesterday from Huddersfield. It was 95% charged, drove home to Manchester, then drove to Cockermouth today- stopped to charge for 50 mins to 86%, and drove back to Manchester with 45 miles remaining. It’s my first EV, so we were a little apprehensive but enjoyed the journey and the car. Nothing to compare with except my previous diesel motor. Any help or comments appreciated.

Appreciate your excellent information and indeed your time and effort

It’s not something that’s overly concerns me now. More so when I had the leaf as back then range wasn’t as good to start with, and therefore the loss of range in winter had a bigger impact and felt more profound. Now range is much better and so even with a loss you are still getting plenty of miles for most journeys (unless you do regular high mile trips).

Spoke to a neighbour who bought an EV asked him about the range, salesman quoted around 240 to 260 miles per charge, in winter with heating on, or summer with air con he averages just about half of that, criminal.

just returned from N Yorks Dales, incl Tan Hill just hours before locked in by 7ft drifts - 12 days extensively touring at low speed (total 1,100 miles) This is my first RV winter and I am sharing it with Zoe (Gt) - we found a loss of more like 25% (4+mls/kwh summer and c. 3m/k in temps below 3 c and above -1) Driving for more than 3 or 4 hrs at c 30mph with minimal heating. Speeds over 65mph really reduces range further I found I was charging for c 90mins nrly every day, which became a drag I love the car but would like 30% more range in summer and only a 10% efficiency loss in temps down to zero

Regarding comparative efficiencies, for a petrol or diesel powered vehicle this is between 20 and 30 percent, essentially due to the operation of the second law of thermodynamics applied to the transition from chemical energy to work. The remaining 70 to 80 percent of the chemical energy in the fuel is dissipated to the atmosphere via the radiator and exhaust. Electrical energy dissipated in a resistance to provide heat is done with an "efficiency" of 100 %.

Idiling a ICE car for a few mins uses a tiny amount of fuel. Range loss in winter in an EV is much greater. Use a digital camera in the cold to see how badly batteries perform in the cold.

A petrol engine uses only 30-35% of its fuel to move the car with 65-70% being lost in heat. This means that petrol is really 2 to 3 times more expensive than we think it is. Any stated mileage for an ICE engine should be reduced by this amount when comparing to an electric car mileage.

On average on my Vivaro e, with 75kwh battery, in cold weather I loose about 40% on range, but that is with heaters on lights etc. Even in eco mode the cabin is still maintained at a comfortable level, but still reduces range.

Yep, 20% is how I see it in mine, rule of thumb. In practice when I've miscalculated in the past, slowing down a bit got me the range I needed (speed has a dramatic impact).

Anyone with a MG ZS EV (not Long Range) that hasn't been through a winter yet - My findings: Summer - 145 Miles (75% motorways 25% urban) Winter - 120 Miles (75% motorways 25% urban) Almost exactly what EVM says. He knows his shiznit.

VW have just produced a report to say that the difference in range between winter and summer driving (in an electric car) is 31%

My 90,000 mile 2016 30kWh Leaf has lost so much range now that I'm worried about making it off my drive on really cold days!!! No battery management, parked outside and no home charging. Bring on the warmer weather!

Love your videos. Not too nerdy, but quite informative and always using quite plain language. We need more EVPs and less nerdy EV -KZfaqr if we want the Daily Mail readers to drive electric. EV drivers already drive an electric vehicle, and maybe we love all those nerdy stats, but I think those are to intimidating for the normal diesel/petrol driver. 👍

Nice video one thing I always think about is pre heating my m3lr 8.30am each day for school run, when pluged into mains it will use house power of around 7.2kwh at my high price 10-15 minutes so I time the charger 12.30-4.30 so it force the car to use its own power to pre heat

I’m on my second Winter in my Polestar 2. I can live with the decreased range but I find the loss of performance annoying. In the Summer, performance drops off at about 10% SOC but in Winter it can be from about 60% due to the cold battery.

This past week, 60% battery = 90 miles, mostly 1-4 mile town driving, short trips. Chilled driving. Model 3

I noticed Skoda are giving two lots of ranges, one for summer & one for winter which is a good guide. As you said these ranges are only a guide and not a guarantee. I know from my Diesel car it is supposed to do about 52mpg but I've had it up to 70mpg & my EV is supposed to have a maximum range of 144 miles but I managed 180 miles & 5 miles left. So yes personal driving styles can alter the range of any vehicle. During the fuel crises driving the electric car I didn't have to worry about being stuck in a queue & just charged up at home, saved time with that.

Electric cars range is calculated for the flat terrain. I drove Nissan Leaf (on paper 380 km range) in my Alpine area, November, the cabin was 21°C. I started fully charged and the range was 190 km. For me useless as my daily range is about 300 km. Half year later I drove from the Capital to the seaside, which is about 120 km distance. It was a traffic jam on a highway, 32°C outside and the cabin temperature was cooled to 25°C... I didn't do it as the car was powerless allready 40 km from the Capital, after 2 hours staying in a traffic jam. EV cars are still only for urban, go nerby store shopping purpose.

I would like to get some comments on the Tesla heat pump and the octovalve

Thanks for keeping it real, EVM. Renault Zoe 2019 50Kwh. Summer 100% = 210 miles. Winter from +3c to - 4c 100% = 160 to 165 miles and a warning dash message "Battery too cold to charge" at coldest end of this range. They mean too cold to take regenerative charge. No problems heating cabin. Heated seat and steering wheel quick and powerful. But this drop in range is pants as it seems to combine with a less linear decline in battery capacity which makes me nervous as we hit 20% remaining. This vehicle has a heat pump. ICE vehicles use more fuel in cold conditions, but it's barely noticeable.

I have now had my EV, a Kia E Niro for 6 months. I had also come to the same 20% reduction in range during cold winter months. I know I can do 250 miles in summer and 200 in winter. Also use of heated seats uses a lot less energy if you are wearing a coat and run the heating to sub 20 degrees. I also agree with stuck on a road, we had a 1 and a half hour delay and ran heating as needed and my range dropped by only 3 miles, with no exhaust smoke!!! I wonder how much fuel an ICE would use to idle with heater or aircon for that time?

Be getting my first EV in a few days, be interesting to see how the winter goes 😏

Our 30 kWh Leaf loses about 40% of real world range in a worst case winter scenario, running AC and heating on full power, but of course Leaf owners are a hardy bunch and tend to prioritise range over comfort. Our next EV will have thermal battery management and a heat pump.

If you're stuck on a motorway in freezing conditions in an ICE car then you're either running your engine or draining your 12v battery so it's no better (probably far worse if you're sat in a stationary car with your engine idling)

Our 2015 Nissan Leaf (heat pump) just lost the first battery bar at 6 and half years with 35k on the clock. With 1-3 degrees ambient temperature the range has gone down to 40 miles from 80. That’s for 3-4 short rides daily and most of the energy is consumed to heat up the cabin.

My old mk1 leaf was a nightmare in winter , the resistive heater in it at the time used to take 7kwh per hour plus whatever speed you were doing at the time so if you were traveling at 70mph the best I used to get was 2.8kwh , the app never worked when it got cold as it used to overload the server , the Id3 ten years later still only got 2.5kwh simply because the preheat and optimised heating for the pack to get the pack up to 24c in 8c ambient just killed the car 1.6kwh. On average on a short run at town speed of less than 12 miles so a 62kwh. Averaged 170 miles and that was with. Heat pump , Dave (the owner had enough after the first cold snap in combination with a ruck load of hardware issues vw ended up buying the car back. He now drives a second hand c300 de estate, Ev range 22miles but loves it because he as a rep needed the range so even the worst days he can get to the destination and back home (average 120 miles to location ) the sooner we require real world range uses and range available at 20-30- 50 and 70 mph the better with a cold pack

Come across your video, as I have reviewed an EV (Mustang Mach-E) and uploaded on my channel! An interesting point of view video chatting about range, one thing I've experienced recently by travelling from Land's End to John O'Groats to simulate a long distance journey, a simple exercise in a I.C.E vehicle (the reason I choose this route - some "journalists" thought it was acceptable to say EV's are capable of long journeys when it took them 12 more hours averaging under 30mph!) 1) I notice you own a Tesla, so already if you don't have a wall charger at home; you're able to charge more faster than other non Tesla EV owners 2) In my video, you'll see the battery performance in the Mach-E tested wasn't providing us anywhere near the range advertised despite 8 degree weather (not that cold in comparison to this video) 3) WLTP is completely flawed for EV's, Mach-E was meant to get 379 miles but didn't even get close to 260 miles! As you pointed out, people are concerned more about range than efficiency; with the state of the charging infrastructure if you're not a Tesla owner, prices of EV in comparison to buying I.C.E, breaking even on investment, charging times, replacement battery & disposal etc - range whether in hot or cold conditions is sub par/very alarming! Increased weight isn't a helpful factor for both range or the environment, a strange one considered most EV's are SUVs or as heavy as one 👀 I'm no EV expert (don't claim to be/never plan to) but I've based my opinions on real world experiences not only for commuting to work on a daily basis but attempting 838 miles too Nevertheless, great video keep up the good work - all the best!

I would also say the use of heat to warm up the battery or cool it down is throwing money out the window. An engine doesn’t need to do that, and takes 2-3 minutes to warm up. A battery takes 20-30 minutes. You definitely need to be well educated if you are buying EV. A lot to consider.

Thanks for that. Very interesting. I think it comes back to range anxiety being a misnomer - the real anxiety is will the charger be there, will it work, will I have the right card/app/permission, will it be ICED/available? None of those issues apply when filling up with petrol. I have had EVs for a few years now and have happily driven from Glasgow to London/Newcastle/Manchester many times. However I will be picking my son up from Uni just before Christmas which is a 450 mile round trip in a day. I can't face the stress of finding chargers etc etc in the freezing cold and dark with the inevitable higher number of cars on the road (wanting to charge), and more frequent charging requirement (even if only 20% more would mean one extra stop), so I will be taking the Petrol car this time. Don't judge me!

If the car has a heat pump (model 3 2021 does I think) then the energy used to heat up by +X degC and power to maintain should be about roughly equal to the cooling by -X degC on a hot day.

Many EV's have heat pumps as options. Does this make much difference in reality? Manafacturers claim 30% more efficient heating in winter. Does that actually make difference to loss of range?

I get auxiliary heating in my ICE just to avoid the 15 minutes scrape. I agree with your points though.

I’m not sure who works out these winter fuel figures on ICE cars. On very short journeys in winter - yes, mostly due to people warming the car up whilst stationary. My car gives me mpg figures via an app and I’ve checked them by refilling and doing the math. Last weekend a 100 mile journey in -1 deg to +3 deg was 58mpg, summer range for the same journey is 59.5mpg. I’ve done this multiple times for years!

Another very good video It's worth remembering that heating the inside of an EV is a fairly fixed demand so it will be a much bigger percentage of a smaller battery. My Smart ForFour range drops at least 25% if I have the heater on high plus heated seats. That is of no concern to me but if you really do need its usual 60 miles range all year round don't get one !

Excellent video, applies over here across the pond in cold places!

Thanks, agree ,I lose about 20% in Winter. For me not really a problem as I charge at home, and will only do 2 or 3 long trips in Winter, so maybe an extra charging stop. Yes heating is a big range loss, but so is the colder denser air, which gives more air resistance.

I do find an electric car heater is faster to warm the car as it does not have to warm the engine up 1st' I melted the snow off the front window in minutes Plus its much better to use a slower fan speed. more heat and uses less power to do. you did miss that in winter the roads are more likely to be wet so less traction, so use more power but this is also for petrol cars too.

Something you did not mention... getting stuck is a snow drift overnight or on a road blocked by stranded lorries. I would rather be in an electric car with the quiet heating on than in an ICE car and worrying about carbon monoxide poisoning. It does happen.

I’ve always liked the tech in EV’s to look after the batteries. I’ve watched of a certain Norway Ninja to know EV’s work even going to the artic circle 😉 When people see a EV car defrost itself, granted it may take a week of a cold snap before they notice and think wait a minute…the penny drops. But hey who doesn’t like snapping a door open that’s frosted up plus for cars that have frameless like the mini hatch windows fight the motor to lower to so it can open then sit inside freezing to run the Car till it warms up. Yes you can leave the ice Car running itself but that’s frowned upon.

Bloody hell, I think you managed to catch a lesser spotted gritter at the start of this video, well done lad! :D

You're absolutely right, but of course, you can always use an electric preheater for your old petrol car, both a compartment preheter and a motor preheater. Of course it's not as effective as an EV. In a petrol car I would preheat for at least an hour. At -30 °C I would preheat a petrol car for three hours and use a timer switch. Using 10 minutes each morning scraping the windows is just madness no matter petrol or EV.

There are major cities that experience temperatures approaching -35'C in winter. I'm in Canada living in a city with a population of about a million. It was -47'C with wind chill outside a few days ago. This is where concerns with charging and range are justified.

Interesting vid and nice to see you driving past my house as you made it!

Have a Peugeot e expert, loose 10 mile range in winter but feel I could reduce that by changing lighting to led and as a PV installer thinking of a panel on roof feeding 12v battery but may need to do this via can bus. Tricky.

Very useful information. Thank you!

I wish we could all get over the range obsession and just push the infrastructure as the cause. I'm fortunate that my car begins and ends in a garage but here lies the problem. People at the top don't live with everyday problems and until they do they won't ever understand. I'm fine with 30 min stops and driving slower, but it's so annoying that chargers don't work. I've been recovered once 200m from a charger because the first 2 I went to weren't working. It's embarrassing and does nothing for EV image. There's too many apps for charging and maps for finding them it's like the wild west.. I've lived with a Zoe for 2 years and wasn't going to buy a Tesla just because everyone has one but when it come to pushing the button on a new one it was the only choice. It might look like a dog's dinner but getting to and from where you want to go is all you want really..

I’m a taxi driver with a Kia eniro 3, no heat pump. 285 miles in summer, 235 now if I don’t have the heating on. About 210 if I have the heater on. 🤷‍♂️

Using the 20% of my WLTP would be more like the very lowest i get in bad winter weather with my Ioniq 28kwh bev. I almost get the exact wltp range in Summer with the Ioniq. Its a very efficient car at Motorway speeds due to its low Drag Co Efficient only matched by the Model3. Where I loose the range is as you mentioned with lots of Start/ Stop Heating and cooling of the car down to about 170km range during last week in Winter. So loosing 17- 20% of wltp . But your figures id say are more realistic for less Efficient Cars at higher speeds. Youll often see owners of the Kona and E-Nero get more than the wltp range but take a big hit in the Colder weather depending on their start/ stop usage

Great video. My concern about winter driving is not that I lose c.20% of range but that if your journey is mostly motorway and your average speed is 75-80 mph (about the average on motorways) then you have already reduced your range because of speed. So for example if your EV gets 260 miles in an urban setting you might only 210 miles from a mostly motorway drive (still not a problem for me as that is longer than my bladder range) but in winter you might only get 170 miles of range. Add in fact that I would never drive until I was down to less 10% of battery unless I have no choice and effectively that gives me about 155 miles of real world range. That is slightly less than I would be comfortable with on the 2 long journeys I typically do regularly. That just means I need to buy the longer range version of whatever EV I finally decide on. If I can get 200 miles in winter on the motorway with 10% of battery left I am more than happy with the range because that is the absolute max I would travel without stopping in ICE car

Another great vid, but I do question why you chose to drive and talk in snowy/icy weather and sometimes without hands on the wheel!!

@EVM biggest factor to range loss is "Air Resistance" Winter = more dense air = more drag from air resistance. The temperature is a bigger factor on battery consumption when idle over a cold night and during heating if you didnt pre heat etc.

I concur I run a a bmw i3s 120ah when using the cabin heater and 80% daily drive is dual carriageway I get a 20-25% range loss.

On a recent day with single digit (5-8F) temps I started with 171 miles on the battery. I drove 24 miles and ended with 108 miles remaining.

Great video as always EVM (what's your 1st name by the way?), obviously the first commenter wasn't listening.

Reason 4: Cold air, for a given pressure, occupies less volume making it denser! So aerodynamic drag is therefore higher. Also, for the same reason your tyre pressures are lower. So make sure you topup the tyre pressures!

There is also a impact on range from having to use lights and wipers more in winter even though they work off 12v battery, this is obviosly charged off main traction pack.

I’d love to know how much per night an EV looses overnight when parked outside. I suspect that you need to keep the car plugged in to charge them. My preference is to park a car in a garage but that seems not to be the fashion now days.

A couple of other factors you didn’t mention are the increased drag from higher density air in the cold, mostly effecting motorway journeys and then the road surface which is typically wet or in your case snow and slush which again increase drag.

Excellent advice, many thanks.

I used my 2 week old Modle 3 LFP rear-wheel-drive to go from West mids to The Strand, it was snowing and -2c the car had 274 miles full charge, the sat nav said 114 miles it was just over 2 miles out, I used 117 miles. I preheated the car before leaving with it also plugged in until I started my journey. So it felt like I did not lose the 20% ish range that I thought I would lose, not sure if the heat pump made a difference.

Love your videos, I am from across the pond.

Definitely spec heated steering wheel too :-) it's amazing

Great video. Yep, I’d agree on thinking what you say, I’d say I loose 20% in the winter in my e-Niro. P.S I’m originally from the same area so love to see where you’re driving, I see you finished in Crossflatts.

Bigger here with winters colder. I wish it were 20%. Probably closer to 1/3 from normal. US Kona no heat pump. At least it warms quickly, and the efficiency is great in good weather.

My diesel avg 65mpg in the summer. 45-50mpg in winter -of course the colder the worst. So the media and others picking on EV in the cold list in range, is one can only guess - negative FUD.

Rain. Pushing water out the way in the road and causing spray will also add to range loss.

The 10 mins defrosting you lose means you could drive slower and more efficiently to work

On a short journey not worth pre heating. I just use the electric heated windscreen, rear screen, seats & wheel. Wear a coat and not worry about car internal heat.

My old Toyota C-HR did ~48 mpg in the winter and 58 mpg in the summer. That's 17% reduction for the winter so 20% for an EV is pretty much the same... What causes a big drop of range is many short journeys in the winter when the cabin is heated up/cooled down, again and again... There again I don't make many long journeys in the winter. Still I rather have my Tesla SR+ any day to an ICE car.

I suppose if an EV has a good range as standard then having reduced range during cold spells isn't too much of an issue.. Those with a smaller range EV do have a worrying drop... These vehicles do need a 400 mile range as a minimum so they can cope with cold weather and higher motorway speeds.. I do notice EVs on the autoroute driving at 110km/h (slow) so they actually get the advertised range.. This is big issue for long range trips.. Once again a minimum of 400 miles but preferably 500 miles would then negate these issues... Unfortunately too many vehicles are still badly lacking in range.. 100kW battery with hyper efficient battery efficiency perhaps?

If you keep yours in a garage, you shouldn't notice much range drop. My leaf has dropped to 89 miles range too 68 max now its colder

sorry but you are not correct. A cold battery does not equal in more degradation. Heat degrades a battery!

Your dead right and I do have a Nero! As for the WLPT range it’s supposed to help people make a comparison between car rather than be taken as gospel. Even the WLPT range of an ICE car is up in Cuckoo Land. Interestingly my Nero in warm weather mix moderate driving will return over 300 miles, 270 all motorways at the speed limit of 65-70 mph

my i3 range drops from 120ish miles to anywhere between 80 and 90 depending upon how often I have to run the heater to de fog the windscreen. I try to rely on my heated seats rather than the heater but the windscreen fogs up then i have to run the heater until it clears and that really chews my battery life - every EV should have a heated windscreen as standard and I dont know why they dont have it! (I dont have a home wallbox so defrosting the car uses battery range)

Did fitting Cross Climates impact the range on your Model3..?

Real world range test on our Citroen e-C4 today. Mrs T went 25 miles each way on a cold winters night on a mixture of A roads in traffic. Started with car charged up to full, Plugged in and preconditioned. Range 198 miles. Her return range is now 85 miles, so 115 miles range used on a 50 mile journey. Citroen are supposed to be bringing a software update to improve the real world range - I hope it works In normal winter driving its not a warm car even with the heating set to 21. It's a good job we have heated seats A 200 mile range is achievable in summer with careful use of the accelerator and generally following the traffic. We really like the car but winter range is very poor and we wouldn't attempt a long distance journey, especially with unreliable public chargers everywhere. Good job we have a diesel second car.

It’s the opposite way round for an EV with regeneration, you get more mpk around town, because of regen than motorway driving where very little braking it happening. For years it’s been ‘motorway driving is kinder to a petrol/Diesel and town driving is worse for economy. About to embark on our first EV, fingers crossed.

No different than an ICE vehicle. Better fuel mileage in the warmer months. Not a big deal.

WLTP maybe says you can get 200 mile range. Who uses their 100%-0% battery range? Not only is it detrimental to keep the battery at 100% for any length of time it's also bad to run it to 0%. So if running your battery from 100%-0% is not a regular use pattern then so is the WLTP range. Ideally we should run or batteries between 80%-20%, charging to 80% and using to 20% to aid in maintaining its life. So now we should look at using just 60% of our WLTP range in the cars regular use pattern - 200x0.6 = 120 miles. If the car will lose 20% of its WLTP range during winter that's 200x0.2 = 40 miles. So now during winter usage (which in the UK we don't really have much of) and using the car from 80%-20% battery the winter range is 120-40 = 80 miles. Those, to me, are the simple factors of running an EV during winter conditions that potential EV owners need to consider before going the EV route.