Eliot Coleman + Dan Barber Discuss Organic vs. Regenerative

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058: Legendary organic farmer Eliot Coleman inspired Chef Dan Barber to focus on serving regional ingredients that could shape the food culture and ecological practices of his community for the better. This interview at NY's Stone Barns Center for Food + Agriculture culminates with some lengthy banter about whether organic is enough, or needs to be replaced by regenerative growing practices.
Eliot Coleman is an author, market gardener, and educator. His work on the USDA study in the late 1970's, "Report and Recommendations on Organic Farming" helped lead to the formation of the National Organic Program, setting the very standards that are being ignored by corporate interests today.
Dan Barber is the author of the Third Plate: Field Notes on the Future of Food, the founder of Row 7 Seed Company, and the ecologically-minded chef behind the truly farm to table menu at Blue Hill at Stone Barns. He is a multiple James Beard Award winner, including: Best Chef New York City. Dan serves on the Real Organic Project Advisory Board.
To stream the audio version of this podcast with access to the full transcript and links relevant to our conversation, please visit:
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The Real Organic Podcast is hosted by Dave Chapman and Linley Dixon, engineered by Brandon StCyr, and edited and produced by Jenny Prince.
The Real Organic Project is a farmer-led movement working towards certifying 1,000 farms across the United States this year. Our add-on food label distinguishes soil-grown fruits and vegetables from hydroponically-raised produce, and pasture-raised meat, milk, and eggs from products harvested from animals in horrific confinement (CAFOs - confined animal feeding operations).
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We believe that the organic standards, with their focus on soil health, biodiversity, and animal welfare were written as they should be, but that the current lack of enforcement of those standards is jeopardizing the ability for small farms who adhere to the law to stay in business. The lack of enforcement is also jeopardizing the overall health of the customers who support the organic movement; customers who are not getting what they pay for at market but still paying a premium price. And the lack of enforcement is jeopardizing the very cycles (water, air, nutrients) that Earth relies upon to provide us all with a place to live, by pushing extractive, chemical agriculture to the forefront.
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@agdayem Жыл бұрын

I wish Eliot Coleman much blessings and a life up to 100 like his mentor Scott Nearing. We may not realize it now but the guy is a treasure to be realized for centuries to come. Wish he could write a new book or updated one. THANKS SO MUCH FOR MAKING VIDEOS WITH ELIOT!

@grooveithard8304 Жыл бұрын

So much truth, hope people will open their eyes and listen to nature

@jimlyons4972 Жыл бұрын

A great discussion with two individuals for whom I have a lot of respect. Much appreciated.

@royledford7122 Жыл бұрын

As a organic grower, I believe we need a movement by the people to eat better to conquer deaths from covid and other problems not government control.

@russellbass5854 2 жыл бұрын

Another highly insightful master class, in my opinion, of this Pulitzer Prize quality series. It's an inspiring privilege to hear these leaders of true sustainable, organic agriculture and healthy food culture, wax eloquent on an extensive range of topics with facts, joy and vision. Thank you Real Organic Project

@realorganicproject6836 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Russell! Can we share that quote sometime to our social media - what a great warm fuzzy feeling it gave us!!!

@russellbass5854 2 жыл бұрын

@@realorganicproject6836 You are most welcome to share this sentiment any place that you deem will help to advance our real organic movement. I've particularly enjoyed these conversations between diverse movement leaders; notably the 2021 Symposium conversations between Leah Penniman and Alice Waters, and between Real Organic rancher Glen Elzinga and Dan Barber. Please, keep them coming.

@russellbass5156 Жыл бұрын

@@realorganicproject6836 Absolutely, I'll feel honored.

@Valerieanai 3 ай бұрын

This is a very positive narrative! Merci 😊

@PermieIslandBird Жыл бұрын

So many things! Thank you very much for all the educating you do, you are both mentors to me through your books. I think the discussion needed to go more in depth into what the differences are between conventional no-till and restorative agriculture of the organic intensive farming like those techniques being demonstrated by JM Fortier, Richard Perkins, Joel Salatin, and even Clara Coleman. Many of these farms are organic and because of their methods also restorative agriculture. If this is for the public ,then they are being fed (pun intended) the line that only a vegan diet is environmentally responsible and this includes all the fake meats replete with chemicals and artificial flavours. They are being told that having any animals on a farm is evil and no one is feeding them information about the soil food web, and how literally everything farms for nutrients by farming other life forms and that without animals and consumption of animals (be it bacteria or eggs from a chicken or even meat) that we break down our ecology and thus ourselves. Keep up the good work!

@patriciarussell1177 2 жыл бұрын

I feel like you rushed through Organic versus regenerative,Just remember I’m trying to totally understand youAnd I really love how positive Dan is

@realorganicproject6836 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Patricia. We hear you! This is a topic that we are likely to revisit and present thoroughly and slowly.

@anthonysuau2244 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent narrative on Organic vs. Regenerative - 40 minutes in.

@DD-rt9lc 6 ай бұрын

Mother nature and the laws of the universe will bring balance, everything impure will die out

@coachcal4876 2 жыл бұрын

I wonder when the study by the usda on organic farming put more carbon in the soil than not I’ll was published. My understanding is fungi is what is holding the majority of the carbon in the soil. If we are tilling is that not removing the fungi? Dan at bio nutrient talks about he only rolls the first 1-2 inch of soil for his market garden. Which would reduce the damage but I’m sure some of those crops don’t even has association with mycorrhizal fungi. Wonderful discussion. 💭

@ORom89 2 жыл бұрын

Just fantastic! Thank you.

@brianstiff5680 2 жыл бұрын

I like the comment” good organic is regenerative”. That’s where the issue comes into play. Organic in water is not regenerating soil, but is considered organic.

@lesliehollands2689 Жыл бұрын

Eliot doesn't support Hydroponics

@loue6563 2 жыл бұрын

I have been talking about the way we eat on social media and how it is making us sick. And how Covid would not have been so devastating if we were a healthier people. I have had many agree but I have also gotten a good deal of opposition. People don’t want to admit what they are doing is what is making them fat and sick. We want our cake and eat it too again again and again. We have to start eating real food. And growing real food.

@russellbass5156 Жыл бұрын

Well said. It's absurd to think the chemical industry a.k.a industrial farming can deposit a billioin pounds of synthetic chemiclas annually on our farmlands and crops and pretend there's no adverse impacts. It makes ya laugh until you cry.

@Deansgreensnc Жыл бұрын

Minute 40 is the best

@billsmith2593 Жыл бұрын

Eliot, the reason "nobody is noticing" the food conditions like air quality or water quality isn't that we're not noticing it, it's that rich people aren't effected by it, thus nothing gets done to fix it. If rich people breathe poor air, legislation "magically" gets passed.

@ShaunaMarieSings 2 ай бұрын

💗💗💗

@jasonhatfield4747 2 жыл бұрын

I do agree that no-till is too dependent on the input of large amounts of compost, especially when starting out. Even on a small scale it's hard to make enough of your own compost without bringing it in from elsewhere. And often, if you're buying compost, you don't always know what's really in it or how it was made. I don't see how it would be possible to do this on a large scale without industrial inputs of "compost" and that "compost" would likely be of very questionable quality.

@realorganicproject6836 2 жыл бұрын

It's certainly way more complicated than it seems! Thank you for your insight!

@donaldsmith8888 Жыл бұрын

You don't need large amounts of compost if you utilize animal integration. If you don't have animal integration, then you simply use compost teas.

@user-br8fj4ys4b 2 жыл бұрын

👍🇺🇦

@DD-rt9lc 6 ай бұрын

Over grow the system, Market gardens in every settlement

@billiebruv Жыл бұрын

I think Eliots description of regen ag farmers denying their former degrading practices is bullshit. From what I have seen, all regen farmers have stated they need to ditch the chemicals and the cultivation