ViPPeR_666 here, thank you for reading my nickname right. You're in highly regarded group of 5 people who managed to say it right in nearly 20 years now. Thanks for having me in your video, cheers dude.

I'm in ELO heaven, carried hard by teammates :P

half wanting to submit to elo hell tbh not because I think I'm in elo hell (I'm not, I'm just real bad at the game), but because I want voo to meme on me or the guys I usually play with

imagine not submitting clips so that voo can roast you

Probably a nice video.

There's no ELO Hell in ranking. However there's ELO Hell mindset, meaning that you have to change yourself in order to see the impact you expect. I was performing way above my levels for several years, but never ended reaching level 10 solo on FACEIT. I started to wonder why as I always blamed someone else for it. It was me and my toxic mindset always looking for flaws somewhere else. I let that go and changed the way I approach games and teammates and here I am way above level 10.

Cries in inconsistency

i havent Exeprienced Elo Hell just yet (although i experienced silver hell but that doesnt count) So the lesson i learnt here was "if you are hardstuck in a rank its usually your fault"

Guys REMEMBER: when he says your not in elo hell doesnt mean that theres nothing to do anymore and ur just trash, no, thats not how it is. It means theres ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT meaning better aim or better game sence. both easily practised so you can get that fancy rankup finally. you can train game sence just by playing more games and use ur brain while you play. doesnt mean you only learn if you win, if you use brain u learn either way. you can train just raw aim by going aimbots, taking warmups always before you play comp, playing community dm. There are multiple popular training programs you can find by just searching videos from youtube or something, they are all good. Personally my training includes small warmup in aimbotz, then few hours of community dm and that just everyday. at first communtiy dm is very hard atleast for me it was, but you will just need to play and it'll get better. sometimes i play aimlab but i think its not that great than just community dm, so its definately not a replacement for it csgo in game training (so if u dont know these weird names i talked about heres info: aimlab; a free steam app for training ur aim in fps games. aimbotz; a workshop map for csgo you can subscribe and then play (for free) to practise aim, you can find workshop from steam and sesrch for aimbotz training to find the map in the csgo part of workshop. community dm; deathmatch community servers you can find in community server browser in game. as a european i recommend retake and dm servers tagged brutalcs)

People are commenting "nice vid" after 2 minutes bruh

Yes, this is what players need to hear. I think a good idea in relation to the elo hell series would be to play a demo of someone and pause at certain points of the demo explaining what opertunities the player missed, or his teammates missed. And I don't just mean when he dies or get a kill, just mid round rotations, possible to bait for a teammate by making a step/shooting. Also showing how the enemy team reacts to a play the player does and how he can mix it up. The series is already my favourite cs go series on youtube but giving the mid round stuff would be nice :P

I remember, a few years ago, I was watching some youtuber talk about League of Legends (can't remember, maybe it was Thorin, NEACE, Redmercy, or someone else) and he said something that stuck with me and I ended up applying to my actual life, it went something along the lines of: "If you play a thousand matches and lose all of them, the only constant is YOU. You are the only one immutable variant in ALL of those games, and if YOU lose then maybe you're not as good as you think, maybe you belong right where you are" Again, paraphrasing because I can't even remember whose video it was, but it erased any and all thoughts of an actual ELO Hell being real. You won't get that rank 10 (or whatever you strive for) if you yourself are not playing, consistently, like a rank 10. Even when your teammates suck, even when you're soloqueing against a full premade, the only way you'll BE it is if you either already are it or are willing to look at yourself in the mirror (or demo, whatever) and work on what's clearly wrong. To close, the one overly done tip every youtuber ever said that's actually useful: "Ask yourself not what your team didn't do but what you could've done different, better. And remember, you can't always win."

i love this series, its educative and its entertaining seeing people complain about their teammates while making numerous mistakes.

it would be great if you did a video on where you can have the most impact on each map

5:00 i feel like voo is throwing shade at me again....

honestly, after watching this series ive made some serious gameplay changes in my pugs. I haven't lost a game in my past 10 games; thanks voo

My problem is I feel like my aim is not good enough to hard carry games. If the team works together and communicates, games go well. If they don't and we are all playing individually, it falls apart. Angles aren't being watched, dying from the side etc. I can't just peek out and grab a kill. If the team works together, I can position myself for advantageous engagements, but if I overextend I always pay for it.

I have a streak of 2-8 but I really enjoyed those games. Almost all were 25+ rounds and no obv cheaters at all. I must say this is, despite close losses, much more fun than the usual 5-5 where you either have no chance or completely destroy your opponent. I don't care about elo hell as long as it's entertaining

"Friendzone isn't a thing, just like Elo Hell" - Wise words from mister xQc

I played and won 6 in a row yesterday and ranked up. Played one today with a person spinning in spawn all game, one person who naded us everytime the round started, and then eventually two rage quits so it was just me and the one person left who was a decent human being. Deranked after that one loss (albeit we certainly lost every round). Unfortunately for people who solo Q, CS GO is a team game and round wins are what matters. Not fragging. You can have great gamesense, utility usage, and aim but never get out of silver if you don't have a consistent squad. Some people have time to grind all day, but for most of us we can't. It's the luck of the draw, but one can't complain because we know this when we hit search. That the teammates might be trolling/hacking/or whatever else. It only feels like hell if you go in solo expecting to have a good time. This is the same with any game that requires true teamwork to win rounds. EDIT: All I'm saying is teamwork and winning rounds is what matters.

dude youre fighting an uphill battle here. there are people in the comments even now saying you cant get out of silver solo queue because its luck of the draw. that 20/20/60 rule is interesting though

bro, my respect for the larry moment from impractical jokers

a lot of these videos are about faceit but in mm I go on constant 5-10 winstreaks and then lose a game or two at random times. my rank is still staying silver 2 even though I try my best to make impactful kills that affect the outcome of the game, and I think I do decently at it. I usually go anywhere from 3rd to 1st place on my team and I never bait my teammates, always use comms properly, never be toxic, and try to be just the example of a decent csgo player but I can never rank out. I think that in faceit this might not be a problem but in matchmaking it's really difficult to rankup.

just had 6 faceit wins, went from elo 850 to elo 1130, then right after this I have consecutive 6 losses. Did I run out of luck or something?

I haven't really been in ELO Hell. When i play with a team that works well together I usually rank up easily. But a few months ago i started playing comp with some friends who were new in Silver. and I hadn't played too much before so my rank dropped to silver from losing rank after not playing for like a month. When we would play together i dropped probably 6 40 kill games in one week and the rest were high 20's - high 30's. and i would win most matches probably 7-8/10(I was a higher rank before hand like low MG). Yet i would rarely rank up. Now i rarely play and im stuck in silver cause im bad but still comp ranking is kinda busted. Those people who are clearly better than their ranks I feel get out of the ranks slowly as a solo or duo's. Not really ELO hell but would be very annoying for someone who wants a higher rank. People shouldn't be earning low amounts of elo when they consistently do very good just because their opponents are at a bit lower rank/ELO. They should be getting pushed up a bit faster so they can get to the rank they should be at.

i'm in the elo hell where i either die too fast to tell what i did wrong or i crush the enemy and don't learn anything anyway

I'm in silver one and I commonly get 30 kills and 15-20 deaths, wondering if I'm in elo hell right now

In June I played 50 matches. I had averages of 1.7kd 0.92kpr and only won 18 games. I deranked from level 8 to level 4. Pls explain

That's the same conclusion I came by some time ago You will rank up eventually if you deserve, as long as you play constantly

hey voo, i have a question. so i started playing faceit way too early (gold nova 2/3) with friends who were infinitely better than me, and thus also higher in rank. i sucked and we lost a lot of games purely because i was a complete bot. i stopped playing faceit and went back into matchmaking for about a year to play with a different group of friends. i started warming up, i watched smoke tutorials, learned good angles to hold from, etc etc etc. i did everything in my power to "get good". i have 1800 hours at this game now (mm rank peak at le) and i would love to get back into playing faceit, but my friends are lvl 6 and i'm all the way down at lvl 1. i can't play with my friends seeing as we'd just get dunked on every game, but soloqueuing gives me a team of mad russian children with about 300 hours of playtime. i can't play with my friends and face lvl 6 players because i'm not good enough for that, but i'm also 100% sure that i shouldn't be in lvl 1. i feel like my rank isn't something i myself can affect in any way really at this point. does this qualify as elo hell?

the timing

I remember like 2 years ago I dropped 61 kills in mm and lost like 11-16 or something

Hello there. I've thought that I am in ELO hell too - I was stuck on lvl6 like year. So I have decided to play every game on 100% and BEFORE starting games I have trained my aim about 1-2 hours. And you know what happened? I ranked from lvl6 to lvl10 in a month. I checked my KPR - its above 0.7 - so I think I did it right. I was playing solo btw

i have 24avg kills 1.31kd 0.9kr and i never flame or be toxic against my teammates and do my best but however i still have %40 winrate and im stuck on level 6 :(

when you have a kd of 1.2 in the last 4 months and still are only gn 2

I like how I’m 17 games positive since reaching silver elite master with 1.4 kd and haven’t ranked up

the only reason i some items feel i’m in elo hell is because i can win 3/4 games back to back then rank up, then go into the next rank and have 1 guy on my team who is AFK the whole game, his friend who votes F2 on kicking because ‘he will be back’ then that angry russian who will rush B on his own because he apparently thinks he is pro. i will have 2/3 games like this back to back and lose them, i will be too fragging every time in games like this with around 25/30 frags and because i lost the games i derank again. it’s been like this for a month or two now but i can’t argue since i am solo q’ing. once i find some good guys that have the same goals as me, be it competitive and wanting to grind the ranks without being toxic and fucjing about, i’m sure at that point i’ll rank up for certain

As a cs 1.6 veteran i agree with everything you say in this video. The main issue that lower ranked players have is the mentality. When you go into a game you should ALLWAYS think that you can impact the game. Not even just by stats, but by everything else such as motivation and calling and just staying positive. Blame yourself for each loss and look at what YOU can do better. Sometimes you will get complete morons as teammates, but you can't change your teammates, and also this happens to EVERYONE not just you. You can however change how you react in those situations and don't tilt over it. Stop blaming teammates for losses, blame yourself, you can allways do more to increase the chances of winning. Eventually you will not only improve yourself, but also get better teammates.

I was in elo hell for a year and half, now I'm finally on my way into a more suitable rank.

The problem with evaluating a game like this, especially by numbers and gameplay footage is that you don't account for all the unknowns. ELO hell doesn't exist and most of the time any type of skill placement or rank associated with a static numerical value will not accurately depict the actual skill of the player. Basically there's too many unknown variables even down to ping that effect most games like CS which is why you shouldn't worry about rank and worry about winning as many games as possible.

lvl 5 faceit and did not know that u can actualy have demos of faceit matches, can someone pls tell where to find them ?

Is Australia in ELO hell? Everyone on my friends list dropped from DMG/eagle, to around MG1 after the first rank bell curve adjustment. This felt like a fair rank for me and the many people I commonly play with, and was widely discussed and understood by the community as a necessary adjustment. A few years later though, when other countries started reaching networking thresholds that allowed them to match make with eachother (and we didn't), we all dropped mysteriously even further down the rank pool, to high silver, mid nova ranks. MG2 is the highest rank I see in Aus. This is my whole friends list too, and I've maxed out my friends count on Steam. I've been in and out of silver ranks in the last couple of years. I didn't even start in silver ranks back in 2013. I started at nova 3. It just feels filthy.

Well in my case, i need to rly try hard 90% of games so i can carry my team to victory, which works 70% of the time. However, cuz of that i don’t rly want to tryhard all the time cuz its not fun. An yes i’m 3 ranks under my skill

voo, the Jordan Peterson of CS:GO

True elo hell is when you can get accused of smurfing during most of your games. That tells you that you are most likely better than you should be

What if you feel like you are not better than your rank? How do you improve if you are just bad (s3) 850 hours

That 4th round on overpass was god awful, teammates are pushed up on A and can listen to the Ts, he rotates to B with no info and just goes down and up the stairs and is basically afk when his teammates needed him. Had flash and incendiary and never used it to help his teammates then probably whined that he killed 2 and can't kill everyone.

I was stuck in elo hell... Now i've ascended and things are looking well.

Hey can you do road to global on KZfaq for some reason twitch doesn't work on android phones very well

Well, this is tough. For me, personally, if the team is bad, I usually suck with whole team. I usually don't play the most impact positions, and I don't even want to. If I wanna get better on my positions, I can't change B anchor for playing mid or A, just because my team sucks. If I did, I would probably suck, bcs it's not my position, plus I won't practice my positions as well...

The better I get the worse I feel I play. When I was LE I thought I was sooo good, now I'm lvl 10 and I think I'm dogshit boosted

when voo said if ur k/d and kill per round is above 0.8 u deserve a rank up me: *laughs in 1.0 kill per round and a 1.61 kd in faceit level 5*

I love how this guy talks about dropping 42 kills and losing in ludicrous, try dropping high 40s low 50s consistently and still losing, thats fucking elo hell. Being in a game where the only rounds you win are rounds you ace, thats elo hell.

How do I see stats like in 0:45 ? I dont see the stats below players like that

1:36 😂 LAARREYYY

Lvl 4 kd 1.17 kr 0.75 😰 always reaching lvl 5 close to 6 solo and than I have the intention to say that I miss good mates to win the games. A friend says that it is my mindset that I have to change. Than I would easily play lvl 7 to 8

Would you please make a video about how to adapt to baiter gamers in low elos. be the entry frag and getting baited as T really annoys me.

so it became a how to tutorial by voo when this vid was suppose to be about elo hell

Im pretty happy about solo qing i just got from start of lvl 3 to lvl 5 only by solo qing in 20 games

Hah i like how in mm i sometimes lost 20 games in a row or win 20 games in a row. I dont rankup even tho im not rly carrying my team but at the same time im not feeding just in the middle. Meanwhile in valorant losing 2-3 games guarantee derank

Voo don't you think elo hell can exist given MM's mysterious frag/score rewarding glicko-2 system? If you're constantly creating the most impact in your Games, but every loss or win you have, you don't get a lot of elo/glicko because you don't have a high score or high frags (thus getting a less percentage of the elo you just won) , so despite literally winning the team rounds, you aren't ranking up, but you deserve to rank up? This can't be a problem with faceit's system.

I’m level 9 Faceit 26 avg kills past 20 games and I only have a 35% win rate

I have a very good game sense I guess but aim is still a bit rusty. I will search for a team as MM always give me players with no game sense at all ...

When I play cs go again ... I play a lot and all soloq. People who play less do better in ELO people who party do better in ELO. I don't cheat but at some point I just end up with a lot of toxic teammates and cheaters. Then I quit again. 12 years into playing cs ... still hating it.

Elo hell is actually just being very lackluster in some area of skill in CS. I used to play support on a cs team back in 2016, and took a 4 year break, I have started playing against LEMS+ again. Unless I am on a team with people with good aim, there is simply nothing I can do against some of the prefires and flicks these guys hit, my consistency is just not there. But, I almost always have the most flashes hit, and I normally strat call and try to untilt my teammates. So, because of my aim duels being the biggest thing I am working on, I nearly always frag pretty low. :/ I would describe this as feeling like elo hell, especially if I try to solo que, as, once the coordination is gone, my communication abilities don't mean shit.

God damn, I should send my games to this guy bc when I look at my stats, I have more than 1 kill per round on avg and a positive kd

lare is straight sus. blood coming out when shots weren't hitting yet 42 kills makes sense now

I actually am in elo hell when I play with low rank teammates I get top frag and lose way more than I should win when I get higher rank teammates I actually do decent and middle frag most of the time and win more games then I lose the problem is I'm in a low rank which means I have to play with low rank teammates

Elo hell's existence is debatable on faceit tbh I managed to get global Insight 2k hours, juste starting faceit, I'm lvl 4/5 with 1.40 KD and I can't win consistently, despite having a good mindset, absolutely not being toxic, etc

People don’t understand some things about face it. Majority of the time people are out of their actual ranks. If that means they are lower or higher. So until you hit like lvl 7 it doesn’t get better. At one point I lost so much elo in mythic league that I dropped from 6 to lvl 2. So there I was way under where I feel completely comfortable with my skill level. Down the road of the grind to get back to at least leave 6. I ran into people who where complete bots. Fresh accounts. Or people who simply were smurfing. All that matters the outcome of the match you’re playing. On top of this all. People have bad and good games. You never know what you get when you queue.

Elo hell is when you are better than everyone in the game but u arent good enough to carry your team. Losers queue is when you are constantly queued with people lower rank than u, with enemy team slightly lower rank than you but higher rank than ur team, thus u cant carry hard enough to win games

I think that what people are calling elo hell is actually the large number of games you need to play in order to get to your actual rank. The ranking system of faceit is very slow for the individual player since it looks at the outcome of the game only and not at the contribution of you as a player. It is true that eventually a good impact player will rank up, it is just a very furstrating and slow process, due to the nature of the elo gain and loss of each game (when one game failure undo your success in a previous game, making you feel like you have wasted your time and hence the term "hell"). To get to your actual elo you need hundreds if not 1000+ games. The fact that most of the accounts of faceit that you encounter on the begginer levels are new, the variance of your team and enemy level is very large and as a result the variance of the outcome of your games. This is why imo to rank up from 3 to 4 if you are a level 5 player is harder and requires more gring then to rank of from 7 to 8 if you are a level 9 player. Strictly due to the large variance and big numbers rule.

My problem is I think I'm better than I am and I get frustrated when I make a mistake.

4 videos before: ELO hell doesn't exist This video: what is ELO hell Are you joking right now?

Interesting series, but I suspect it might get repetitive pretty quickly. On a side note, I'm annoyed that some people care about ranks so much. It's nice to have a goal, but I hate when someone is addicted in a negative way. It's a game in the first place. Just a bunch of talented people get to play it professionally. I do think visible ranks are bad in many games. 1.6 didn't have ranks, skins, etc. But it was just as, if not more enjoyable.

I will say that low MM ranks seem to be filled with a lot better players these days. But yeah you deserve the rank you have.

I think I just belong in level 3 some games I’m really good some games I’m average some games I’m really bad but il just keep playing

I dont understand why those players say they are in "elo hell".... Iam lvl 8 with 24 avg kills / 0.9 k/r / 1.34 kd and I still don't say I'm in elo hell. Because I loose many games where I feel i could have played it just a tiny touch better so we would have won them.

20/20/60 rule is a far greater misconception than Elo Hell existence. As far as I know, it is not backed up by any proper study, I suspect that it just started by a pure guess of some professional player. On lower ranks, the issue is pretty simple - to greatly increase your chance of winning you have to be able to hard carry some of the rounds by winning many strictly mechanical aim duels. Elo Hell means exactly that games are very chaotic and low-quality and many gamers are unable to accomodate to that environment.

Bro I got an ad for xCheat pro. Bruh youtube knows the people watching elo hell videos.

It's simple, I win global matches with friends (they call me boosted but usually I'm top 3. But then when you solo queue for once it really hits you that the rank you have been given really sucks. Now the game thinks I'm stupid and i should play with lv 2 people. I can't play with those people, no one covers your ass, everyone baits you, people are trolling etc. So your level only goes lower and lower. If S1mple has 4 teammates that are useless I'm pretty sure he would lose all he's elo also. You cant attack solo or defend solo. They should make the system that if you carry games but lose you could still level up based on stats. Just taking the raw lose or win data is bullshit. Find yourself 4 friends, and queue with 5. It's the only way to get on top of things. And if you want to play solo? Don't. Simple as that, don't play cs if you don't have a team. You just cant work with people in lower levels you just can't.

Just trying to follow what you've said between videos, in your first video of the series you stated "ELO Hell doesn't exist", and here you made a comment "ELO Hell is..." and explained where you believe it does exist. Are you revising yourself with this or have you just been reluctant to acknowledge it?

REMEMBER: when he says

1600 games in Faceit and I’m back to lvl 1 after a 20+ game loss streak. When I play with higher lvl people I do much better, even won a couple of those lvl 7+ tourneys. Then.. it’s like Faceit says “NOPE, down you go” and the losing starts. After 4-5 losses in a row, playing against super human robots who never miss a 1 tap on me, my attitude changes, play style changes, and it’s a domino effect. You’d expect there to be some games where I’d just get carried out of the slump, but no... doesn’t happen. Faceit constantly stacks teams against me, I’ll get in games where it’s a -35 elo for me and get completely rolled. Again, and again, and again, and again. Current sitting at 600 ELO, finally won one last night, then lost two more. 😞 that’s ELO hell. *throws comp out window Lvl 3 and below is a shit show, especially late night, lvl 1,2 with 2.0+ kd, less than 100 matches played and Chinese writing in their names. I’ve given up before the map is chosen

I dont get it... my friends dont want to play with my main, cause they're afraid i'll lose my rank... but i dont really care, if i deserve my rank, i'll get it back.

Elo hell can exist, but its super rare, in about 5k games i've played of CSGO there is only 25 matches where i thought i was in elo hell and it was when i went 1-24 from those 25 matches i remember carrying most of those, stopped playing cause of that and now im the one who is the reason why people think they are in elo hell lol

I don't care about elo hell, I just want to play a game that is actually winnable. I am silver 1 and queue with friends but the only few games we have won were ones where 1 or more opponents quit. Even when we are playing 5v4 we manage to lose because the 4 players on the opposing team hit 80%+ headshots, peek like the pros, and flashes don't seem to affect them. I hate silver

my mans watch impractical jokers, u got a like from me

This video title represents my win/loss ratio

I have a 25 avg.kill 1.2 kd 0.9 kR and lvl 3

i dont understand this kd and kill flexing all the time i went from 600 elo to 2000 elo in about 250 matches with 15 average kills and barely a 1.0 kd

There are different metas tho, and if you have experience playing a different meta, then you can be psychologically stuck in the annoyance instead of adapting to the way the game is played at different levels. I will give an example that people might understand: If you are an academic who uses complex language in your work at a high abstraction level, then you will have a hard time communicating in youtube comments if you try to use concepts and words that people dont understand or dont have the time to look up, so you have to adapt to the youtube comments in order to get a point across. One is not necessarily smarter than the other .. there is just different lingo and different norms. Generally, people stick to their elo, but some people are creative soules and look past the norms, conventions, metacommunications, fashions etc.

good thing i havent been picked yet

I have an average K/D of 1.53 and around a 0.9 K/R. Elo hell baby

bruh playing in mm suck I'm GN2 and I get match with MG almost all the time..one-time wad matched with LEM

Elo

1.5kd my team is always shite. i qd with lvl10s today and i topfragged. elo hell is real

Now that I remember the last 5 games I've played in cs I had between 43 and 52 kills per game and lost every one of them and def did not rank up , getting a new acc and trying to rank up on it is way easier it seems

I think one of the reasons for people believing in Elo hell is because CS:GO ranking system is absolute trash. Even with 80% winratio, it can take weeks to rank up (It took me 2 weeks with that winrate, playing 3-4 games a day, whereupon I immediately ranked down after 2 games that tied. It's not exacting motivating). It feels like an endless grind, with zero feedback until you eventually rank up or down, which can take a long long time. CS:GO should have taken a few pointers from it's own company's sister esport game Dota 2 (Not that people don't complain about elo hell there as well, but the ranking system is at least a lot more transparent).

Perfectly said, 20/20/60 rule is so true.