Agreed

what do you mean by "died"? I'm planning on buying a few for my home NAS

wow! I do same thing (a bash script in /etc/rc.local) for my hgst 2.5" 500Gb hdd on my openwrt router.

You can turn off advanced power management (APM) once at boot time for a drive using the hdparm utility. That's how I've done it for years on windows (or Seagate drives especially die). It's a Linux native utility but there's a Windows version. Just checked and it's even available for OpenWRT

Hahaha i use Emule and Utorren to keep my hard drive awake😂

Wow that's some pretty awesome prices, I can't seem to find those in europe unfortunately, found a 10x4 for 100€ (all of them) but they're sas so idk

that is a pretty good price. I haven't seen 10tb less than 70.

what are you using them for, trying to gauge intensity and use case

@@javajav3004 I have had a lot of them as boot drives, the rest used in Boost and Chia mining. Much lower intensity on writes, comparable to many but by no means most drives in a server on reads. They also never spin down - which HELPS on their lifetime, that's the worst thing you can do to anything electrical mechanical OR electronic is frequent on/off cycles (even once per day is bad). It would be a near-perfect use case for Shingled Magnetic drives.

@@bricefleckenstein9666 Fantastic, thanks a lot amigo

@@bricefleckenstein9666 Thanks amigo thank you so much

It's sad that most reliable drives were made by companies that no longer exist. there are no more samsung hdd. no more hitachi hdds.

Use fans to blow the heat off. HDD hate hot and cold

I would think the hard drives versus tape decision would be driven largely by use case. If you are looking for backup solution you don't intend to access very often, the tapes are probably a better idea. If you need to access or change data semi regularly, using hard drives would likely be much more convenient. Though the tapes would almost undoubtedly be more reliable.

depends. for most people who just need a few TB, you can safely set up RAID and replace drives occasionally when they fail.

Good. I just bought an old HGST drive with a deleted SMART and the vast majority of sectors sits in "< 20ms"

great insight , thank you. how about multipar against zips

$40CDN, low health they said. I got 4 and gonna run them in a raid 6. hope runs great for you!!!!

HGST and WD are same company now.

MTBF is not same as life expectancy. Google tecnical docs about them. From my experience the life expectancy is from 20 000 hours for low-end laptop hard drive that is carried around or WD Green or Blue drive that have the head parking antifeature. For high-end drives the life expectancy is about 60 000 to 80 000 hours but some of them can go almost indefineatly.

i have a 1tb been using over 10 years as well for just files and a small amount of gaming, if its just sitting on windows and maybe loads a few files sometimes they can last well over 10 years.

That's MTBF or estimated time when 30-something drives will still be working out of 100

False information.

I have 5 of them. 1 failed after 2 years. Started clicking. $$$$ to recover. The outer foil is laser welded. You can't just take it apart by removing screws.

Be careful about warranty... those may be "in warranty," but if you go up against the seller because of drive failure, then you basically have to prove negligence on part of the seller and defective hardware. Unless they explicitly state warranty with TERMS listed in plain words in their "seller terms" THEN maybe you have a chance to get the drive replaced. After two years the only proof you have is in your complete documentation of the purchase.

how is it

@@javajav3004Been working great, but it makes some noises which been told is normal. No issues so far.

@@tigerbalm666sounds good ty

link for 8tb?

Also got a 20gb samsung laptop drive from 2005 that I just plugged in 20 minutes ago and wiped and partitioned it & its works fine. Probably use it to run pFsense on my old 09 acer netbook. I forget how much space pFsense needs but that should work hahaha

HUH721212ALE600 the longest hrs tested 12gb drive and has a low record of dying legendary

You need a power connection from the PSU and a sata connection to the motherboard.

no they are not, whatever HGST had all of them is merged with WD. If HGST drives exist, they are just a re-brand and basically a WD. This might be because a OEM, Cloud Hyperscaler etc might have a contract with the original HGST name so they still get the drives from "HGST"

no HGST was always kind of HITACHI HGST and hitachi makes each other drives all my HITACHI hdd have the HGST tag on them i believe is japanese capacitors.

No, they just cleared the SMART data, which shouldn't be possible. :/

​​@@kanayanfantv WAIT!! Is this true? I have bought a total of 12 HGST 10 tb HDDs which each has 0 hours on it. I thought I got lucky!!

You will have sellers state refurbished. However, there is no way to refurbish a helium enterprise drive in the traditional manner that is denoted through "refurbished". Which usually means there was a tear down with physical parts replaced and then reassembled. Refurbished in this specific case means previously used and pulled from service. Those drives are simply used. If it is factory/manufacturer recertified the drive will be labeled as such, meaning it was produced and designated to a lot of drives with similar serial numbers. A percentage from the lot failed with the entire lot being sent back to the manufacturer to be labeled recertified. This is my understanding from researching these manufacture recertifications. I've only ever seen recertified drives with labels by seagate, though. With any drive, used, or new, you want to check SMART data for reallocated sectors, and do extended runs checking for bad sector through a read/write process for general health of the drive. Hdsentinel can do this as well as many other programs. Goharddrive and Serverpartsdeals are examples of reputable resellers with both seller refurbs (used) and recertified drives. Also "zero hours" means nothing as SMART data can be wiped. Sometimes, you'll get a drive with SMART data in tact still. In this sense useful data of the drive can be hidden and and recertified drives will almost always be wiped of this data. I hope this helps.

@@RainiGarciaa Thank you very much for the detailed answer. Only I'm still worried and annoyed by this, it seems that many manufacturers don't even put the labels "refurnished" For example, I am looking at a wd 12TB hard disk, the price says that the hdd is remanufactured, it is simply twice as expensive as a new one, but I asked 4 stores and 3 claim that the disk is not refurbished! And the fourth says that it is. And now who to believe? The hard drive is the same in all stores, and there is no label on the profile picture that says refurbished, which means that the manufacturers can hide it. And now I'm in a dilemma whether it's worth buying such a hard disk. Or should I buy an 8TB Seagate SMR, which is almost the same amount of money.

@milospavic You will never find an enterprise drive that states refurbished on the label. Refurbished is interchangeable, synonymous, with used in this case. I'm not quite following you with your mention of the stores. A recertified drive should not be more than new, and a used drive is usually slightly cheaper than recertified. I've bought serval used and recertified drives, and the prices are usually reflected as such: Used/refurb $6-8/TB Factory recertified $9-11/TB When in doubt, just take it as being a used drive if uncertain. Seagate relabels their drive recertified. I can not say that WD/HGST does the same as I've only ever bought used refurbs from them. The certification process does not involve any teardown and swap of parts from my understanding either. The whole lots gets scrapped and resold sort of like liquidation pallets. What's good is good and what's bad is bad. This is why these resellers have such easy returns and warranties I believe. This last bit, I have no basis for other than anecdotal experience from purchasing these drives. Just to clarify, used Enterprise drives will likely last you several years, and I wouldn't hesitate to buy a used drive as long as I test it extensively, has a warranty and a simple return policy. Too, you do not want an SMR drive. Go for CMR. Hopefully, this alleviates some of that frustration. But here is a link to a 12tb used HGST for some of the lowest price per TB from a reputable seller. I thought about purchasing another as my seagate 12tb (also used from the same seller) is 4tb from full. The return is simple and easy if you happen to get a faulty drive. This is likely your best bet if you had planned to purchase already. Just run the tests. www.ebay.com/itm/156046813385?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=kE7Z0-UgRW6&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=oF0h-NjASVu&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

@@RainiGarciaa I found in local stores the same hdd with the same markings 12TB and it doesn't say "refurbished" anywhere, but I asked 4 stores and 3 told me that the hard drive is new packaged and not refurbished. And the fourth store says that it is refurbished and that it is impossible to find a "new hard drive" for that price. I'm honestly worried if that's the case, why those stores didn't put refurbished in the description, because the price is low in my opinion. 12TB for about $150 Now let me ask, why are you against the SMR disc? I wanted to buy an 8TB for about $130 new with a 2-year warranty. SMR has some drawbacks as far as I understand, but they don't bother me. I certainly do not plan to download and delete data from it. But I plan to download and save the series...

@milospavic Unless you're deadset on purchasing locally, Goharddrive on ebay currently has 12tb hc520 enterprise drives that are, in my opinion, a better option. At least you know for certain what you're getting. At which point you could purchase two 12tb drives for nearly the price of your one 8tb new for redundancy. It has a 5-year warranty and easy return. Of course, this may only be relevant if you're in the US. I just realized YT doesn't allow links. 12tb for 150 isn't a deal, certainly if it's used. If it is an enterprise drive, it is almost with certainty that it is not new at that price. If you are aware and content with the limitations of SMR, then by all means, purchase SMR. For me, the limitations are not justified in relation to the price of CMR enterprise drives. Anyways, this is all I have to offer. I wish you the best.

No issues so far

@@Eman2000 awesome, thank you

I bought a 4TB seagate SMR drive and it failed within 2 years

but my 1TB CMR WD Blue has lasted me over 10 years and still going strong!

the ones i bought are from 2017 seems to be decent drives

Do they keep running (aka 24/7) or do you often turn them of/on?

@@PowerRedBullTypology They were running in a nas that stayed on

Amazon, ebay

You can usually ask and they will usually respond. I've gotten a couple with ~10 power on hours and i've also gotten some with 50k+ power on hours. It seems like the power hours are way higher when I bought from companies rather than individuals on ebay

some people reset the power on hours and sell it as new when its years old@@fallenkeith5885

I’ve had WD crap out on me too but I agree, Seagate has always been the least reliable in my experience

@@syberpunk Same. I used computers since I was 12 and I'm now 32. Most HDDs that actually failed in my life time were WDs. Not only did this happe to me, also to one of my friends. This made WD the "unreliable" brand in our IT friend circle and we only bought other brands like Seagate. After some time, I decided it'd be time for new HDDs and got WD Blue ones, because they were relatively cheap. Two of them failed within a couple years. Got another one used, failed, too. Not shitting on WD, will probably buy from them in the future. I just think it's random.

I've owned many Seagates for 10+ years. Never had one fail me yet.