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Embarrassing "Curse Stone" Exposed as Desperate Apologetic (feat Dr Kipp Davis)

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Have archaeologists uncovered an ancient proto-Hebrew text 200 years earlier than the previous one? Does this support the traditional authorship of Moses and Joshua and challenge the Documentary Hypothesis? Last year, archaeologist Scott Stripling and his team dropped a "bomb" on archaeology by announcing this find at Mt. Ebal. Now, his team has published a peer-reviewed journal article, and Scott gives his first interview about the state of the evidence.
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@Paulogia
@Paulogia Жыл бұрын
SIGN-UP FOR THE COURSE - REAL ISRAELITE RELIGIONS with Dr Kipp Davis www.tinyurl.com/KippReligion
@MythVisionPodcast
@MythVisionPodcast Жыл бұрын
This course is absolutely amazing!
@justaguy6100
@justaguy6100 Жыл бұрын
Ok, this is obviously pareidolia. They're seeing what their imagination tells them is there rather than what is actually there.
@John.0z
@John.0z Жыл бұрын
Maybe a silly question Kipp and Paul, but watching the two videos of "dry sifting" and "wet sifting", both had a mesh that would have easily caught that (relatively) large artefact. It may be quite small relative to other finds, but it is huge compared to the holes in the sieves. So the dry approach should have found it in the original dig. How did Stripling explain that away?
@DrKippDavis
@DrKippDavis Жыл бұрын
@@John.0z so, the reason the lead object was missed by both Zertal's and Stripling's dry-sifts is because it would have been caked over with dirt. It would have looked no different from a stone. During the wet-sifting process a lot of that caked-on debris would have been removed, and, as I understand it, it was only when the Small Finds Supervisor on site picked it up that she recognised it was far too heavy to be a rock.
@John.0z
@John.0z Жыл бұрын
@@DrKippDavis OK Kipp; but still it sounds a bit on the suspect side to me. I know the provenance is questioned, but I would be even more suspicious of it. Despite him saying otherwise, there is also a distinct criticism of the archaeology team in the claim.
@graydanerasmussen4071
@graydanerasmussen4071 Жыл бұрын
Science: "We try real hard to answer questions." Religion: "We try real hard not to question answers!"
@zephaniahgreenwell8151
@zephaniahgreenwell8151 Жыл бұрын
They're definitely answering questions but there is no need to find an answer that is correct. They just look for an answer that agrees with their interpretation of the Bible.
@Lunth-yl2mk
@Lunth-yl2mk Жыл бұрын
lol!
@DirtyDruid
@DirtyDruid Жыл бұрын
Philosophy: "We try real hard to find out what a question is."
@billytheadult6247
@billytheadult6247 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂 so true
@graydanerasmussen4071
@graydanerasmussen4071 Жыл бұрын
@Logical Musicman Is that a reason to stop learning? Life gets better with more knowledge, not worse. We'll lick this one too.
@grapeshot
@grapeshot Жыл бұрын
You know what they say about Christian archaeologists, they have a Bible in one hand and a shovel in the other.
@nancyschannel9518
@nancyschannel9518 Жыл бұрын
Never the two shall meet.
@DeludedOne
@DeludedOne Жыл бұрын
And they only use the hand holding the Bible to do their archeology
@johnnehrich9601
@johnnehrich9601 Жыл бұрын
Yes, and the shovel is really needed for all that they shovel, not just dirt.
@britaom3299
@britaom3299 Жыл бұрын
Yep, and that is why, at the end of the day, they aren't even doing "science", because ANY piece of evidence that falsifies their Bible, is immediately rejected from the get-go.
@rembrandt972ify
@rembrandt972ify Жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention the hat full of poo.
@grumpylibrarian
@grumpylibrarian Жыл бұрын
I first heard of this exposé on MythVision, in an interview Dereck had with Dr. Robert Cargill. I believe MythVision had more than one video about this, though I've only watched the one so far. This is EXTREMELY disappointing. I have a BS in linguistics, and the press release I read on this find last year was extremely enticing. The claim of "possibly 14th century BCE" was outlandish, but 11th-12th century seemed plausible given the dating of other (ceramic) artifacts at the site. Whatever implications this group thought this artifact had, the linguistic implications were the most interesting, followed by the anthropological implications. Here was a proto-Canaanite inscription on an artifact making reference to YHW, the predecessor to YHWH we've also seen reference to in Egyptian artifacts. Or so we were told. There was no publication yet. Okay, cool, I work with academic publications. Something high-profile like this might get a fast route, but typically taking 1-2 years before I get an article in my hot little hands is pretty common. The artifact was not dated yet. A little more out of my personal expertise, but I looked it up; lead dating was a new process, expensive, possibly slow?, and has error bars around 150 years. Not a problem yet. The organization was quite dubious on its face, but it lists members who have prominent positions in well-respected secular institutions as their day jobs, and I figured they had reputations to protect and were as trustworthy as I could expect from anyone. I was willing to grant this find every benefit of the doubt as to its authenticity, would wait for the official publications to see if their conclusions were sensible and well-supported, and had in some limited respects drawn my own conclusions based upon the "facts" they asserted in the press release, as well as researching what we know of prior digs at that site. (I did not know of or watch the press conference; the clips I see now might have been further warning for me. Nor did I know of or follow the interviews on apologetics channels.) I'm learning now the uglier details, how this was a personal project not necessarily supported by the organization's members, how the press release was unusual in this field, and how they now have a "peer reviewed" publication, but for the image analysis portion, not for the overall find, methods, and conclusions. I am hearing now how they not only conjectured what this language could look like instead of basing it off of existing inscriptions, but they took extreme liberties in matching cracks in the lead to "letters," including no clear LTR--RTL order and even overlapping letters, letters that looked very different they claimed to be the same letter, and cracks that looked like letters they claimed weren't part of the message. And this is EXTREMELY disappointing. I don't believe Moses or Joshua existed, but that's a conclusion of the existing evidence, not a pre-supposition. If the existing evidence supported their existence, then we probably wouldn't even have a controversy, and if someone finds sufficient evidence that supports their existence, then I'll go back to presuming they existed. I just want the truth. The little linguist in me was thrilled beyond belief at this find, however, and they've dashed him on the rocks. How amazingly exciting was this find! Now how amazingly disappointing it is to find out that this is largely unsupported conjecture. Thanks for getting Dr. Kipp on this. He does a great job of going over the problems, including ones I should have been aware of last year. I feel bad for falling for this, but I'm taking it as a life lesson --- wait for the published paper.
@pmtoner9852
@pmtoner9852 Жыл бұрын
Lengthy and well stated
@greglogan7706
@greglogan7706 Жыл бұрын
GL, Thanks for your contribution here!
@timothymulholland7905
@timothymulholland7905 8 ай бұрын
This looks like more soft tissue nonsense.
@theHentySkeptic
@theHentySkeptic 3 ай бұрын
Moses and other bible names are carved in the stones in egypt
@DeludedOne
@DeludedOne Жыл бұрын
This is like them finding the site of Noah's Ark all over again. They wanted to find something to corroborate their deeply held religious beliefs, so they did just that. Whether consciously or not, looking for something specific would end up with one finding what they want to find regardless of what is actually there (or not there). And I think the title would not be amiss to add the fact that the stone was a result of a controversial if not downright illegal activity.
@robertt9342
@robertt9342 Жыл бұрын
Makes me wonder how much “faith” they really have.
@Finckelstein
@Finckelstein Жыл бұрын
@@robertt9342 As a lifelong atheist I was rather intrigued by the journey of former believers, so I watched quite a few videos of how former christians and muslims became atheists. A common thread throughout most of those videos was that once they started doubting their faith, they doubled down and searched ever more vehemently for anything that would validate their belief.
@davidschneide5422
@davidschneide5422 Жыл бұрын
​@@robertt9342 their income is based on perpetuating the fraud
@plattbagarn
@plattbagarn Жыл бұрын
​@@Finckelstein This is such a common thing. People are scared to lose something that is so intrinsically linked to their lives that it usually involves scouring scriptures, fervent praying, listening to apologetics and often ends with crying themselves to sleep just asking for one tiny sign from whichever god they believe in.
@AndromedaD
@AndromedaD Жыл бұрын
​@@FinckelsteinI wonder how not teaching biblical literalism affects how long a person stays with a certain faith?
@DuctTapeJake
@DuctTapeJake Жыл бұрын
Sounds like the astronomer who was convinced he saw canals on Mars, but may have just been staring so hard he was possibly just seeing the shadows of the blood vessels in his own eyes...
@johngaltline9933
@johngaltline9933 Жыл бұрын
That was thew first thing I thought of, Percival Lowel, and his canals.
@alistairmackintosh9412
@alistairmackintosh9412 Жыл бұрын
Schiaparelli....
@johngaltline9933
@johngaltline9933 Жыл бұрын
@Gary Allen Schiaparelli documented and named a large number of actual features of the martian surface, including a number of large canyons, or channels in the surface which he called canali. To quote from Nasa's website: "Canali means channels, but it was mistranslated into "canals" implying intelligent life on Mars. Because of the then recent completion of the Suez Canal in 1869 (the engineering wonder of the era), the misinterpretation was taken to mean that large-scale artificial structures had been discovered on Mars. In 1894, Percival Lowel, a wealthy astronomer from Boston, made his first observations of Mars from a private observatory that he built in Flagstaff, Arizona (Lowell Observatory). He decided that the canals were real and ultimately mapped hundreds of them. Lowell believed that the straight lines were artificial canals created by intelligent Martians and were built to carry water from the polar caps to the equatorial regions. In 1895, he published his first book on Mars with many illustrations and, over the next two decades, published two more popular books advancing his ideas."
@inyobill
@inyobill Жыл бұрын
"Associates for Biblical Research": We start with our conclusions and reason circularly therefrom.
@oscargr_
@oscargr_ Жыл бұрын
It's truly a form of apologetics after all.
@kevinandrewbryan6623
@kevinandrewbryan6623 Жыл бұрын
Still waiting for FCM ...
@inyobill
@inyobill Жыл бұрын
@@kevinandrewbryan6623 I found about 30 translations of that acronym, and still counting. Help out, please?
@kevinandrewbryan6623
@kevinandrewbryan6623 Жыл бұрын
First Century Mark
@kevinandrewbryan6623
@kevinandrewbryan6623 Жыл бұрын
Ask Josh and Dr Sean about the FCM fraud
@LadyPizzaCrust
@LadyPizzaCrust Жыл бұрын
What he will say is that all the rejection and criticism is from the devil. He will say that the devil is trying to suppress the truth.
@LadyPizzaCrust
@LadyPizzaCrust Жыл бұрын
He doesn’t accept the criticism and will not take responsibility for his negligence and lack of integrity in making his claims and doing what he did…
@britaom3299
@britaom3299 Жыл бұрын
Indeed. Like so many other Christian fundies, he will play the conspiracy angle to the hilt as soon as the criticism starts. "Liberals in academia", under the influence of "Satan", are deliberately trying to keep "the Gospel" from being spread!!! I heard this GARBAGE hundreds of times in my former church. It's a conspiracy I tell ya!!!!
@brentwalker8596
@brentwalker8596 Жыл бұрын
As in right wing apologetic archaeology so in politics. Lots of Democrats are "demons" and Satan worshipers according to Evangelicals.
@stephenjones7804
@stephenjones7804 Жыл бұрын
"He should've kept practising," LOL😆
@josepherhardt164
@josepherhardt164 Жыл бұрын
I just find it wonderful that an org set up to do research already knows the answer that they're looking for.
@hatuletoh
@hatuletoh Жыл бұрын
Oh, I get it. This is the William Lane Craig style of archeology and academia: if there's even just a one in a million chance that some random lines on a tiny piece of lead are early Hebrew writing, then we should believe that those random lines on the tiny piece of lead are early Hebrew writing.
@Julian0101
@Julian0101 Жыл бұрын
Hey hey, there is no need to insult the archeologists, it is not like they were excavating deep and found wlc's epistemological bar... oh wait.
@tsarbomba7585
@tsarbomba7585 Жыл бұрын
​@@Julian0101 Craig has lowered his bar so low that he has awoken a Balrog
@derinderruheliegt
@derinderruheliegt Жыл бұрын
Wait a minute...what was all that one-in-a-million talk?
@Nixeu42
@Nixeu42 Жыл бұрын
@@tsarbomba7585 You underestimate him. He has reached into the realms far, far below the deepest delvings of the Dwarves, home to nameless things which gnaw at the roots of the world, that even Sauron knows not.
@drrickmarshall1191
@drrickmarshall1191 Жыл бұрын
So you're telling me there's a chance!
@aidenmartin6674
@aidenmartin6674 Жыл бұрын
These videos tearing apart Christian archeological claims are both interesting and informative. 👍🏼
@greglogan7706
@greglogan7706 Жыл бұрын
Alden, I rather think of them as "Evangelical" claims... I wouldn't in any sense legitimize these fellows with the word "Christian"
@ob2249
@ob2249 Жыл бұрын
@@greglogan7706 the term christian deIegitimizes them sureIy ? I take everything an aduIt with an imaginary friend says as the w0rds 0f a t0ddIer h0w can y0u trust a gr0wn up wh0 cIaims t0 have an invisibIe friend ? with anything ?
@istvansipos9940
@istvansipos9940 Жыл бұрын
​@@greglogan7706 christian. Within christianity, they are evangelical. I mean, they are not a branch of shamanism or hinduism, for example.
@greglogan7706
@greglogan7706 Жыл бұрын
@@istvansipos9940 Sorry if I was unclear - I am rejecting the notion that evangelicalism has anything to do with Christ..... it is a wolf in sheep's clothing...tares among the wheat
@istvansipos9940
@istvansipos9940 Жыл бұрын
@@greglogan7706 I don't see too much contrast here. A bad church and a dude. Based on the bible (the most christian source possible), juni0r was an ignorant, deceitful, cult leader liar. The best case scenario based on that b00k: he was mentally ill beyond all hope. wolf in wolf clothing. And that's offensive to wolves, I'm afraid.
@DocReasonable
@DocReasonable Жыл бұрын
How many Creationists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Three -- one to screw it, one to claim Jesus did it, and one to deny it ever happened at all.
@JohnWaaland
@JohnWaaland Жыл бұрын
Hi. How bout if we just call them Screwologists⁉️ 😬
@stefanowohsdioghasdhisdg4806
@stefanowohsdioghasdhisdg4806 8 ай бұрын
It is literally impossible to know because I wasn't there to see it.
@wilhelmschmidt7240
@wilhelmschmidt7240 4 ай бұрын
You forgot the person who claims there were 500 people there watching.
@DocReasonable
@DocReasonable 4 ай бұрын
@@wilhelmschmidt7240 Yes, that proves everything.
@tomsenior7405
@tomsenior7405 Жыл бұрын
It never ceases to amuse me. Not content with simply making claims about their preferred religion, Apologists go to great lengths to produce dubious evidence in support of their silly beliefs. Knowing how much Apologists lie, I am immediately suspicious of new 'evidence'. My favourite has to be the dozens of nails used to impale Jeebus. Christ must have looked like a dartboard. What next? I'm looking forward to Christ's Cell phone.
@onlyme972
@onlyme972 Жыл бұрын
John the baptist many head's?
@MrAranton
@MrAranton Жыл бұрын
In the medieval there were dozens of cities claiming to be the home of jesus foreskin. If I were tasked to attach a guy with that many dicks to a cross, I‘d be using all the nails I can get my hands on to do it, too.
@hakureikura9052
@hakureikura9052 Жыл бұрын
​@@onlyme972 i suspect john is a hydra operative. "Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. Hail Hydra!"
@tomsenior7405
@tomsenior7405 Жыл бұрын
@@onlyme972 Good call. And Jeebus' Prepuce forms The Rings of Saturn. Christ was well hung.
@britaom3299
@britaom3299 Жыл бұрын
And it goes WAY back too, it's not just a modern phenomenon. Emperor Constantine's mother Helen, who's a "saint" in the eastern orthodox church, traveled all around the "Holy Land" and claimed to have found all sorts of relics that proved Christianity, including (and most famously) the cross on which Jesus was crucified. She even claimed that those pieces of the "true cross" would bring the dead back to life when she touched their corpses with them. As much as I loathe John Calvin, one thing that he did say that was true (and funny) was that, in his day, there was enough wood from all of the "true crosses of Christ" in all the churches and monasteries in Europe to build hundreds of boats out of. Christians just WANT to be fooled into believing this stuff, it seems, and will fall for ANY claim, no matter how ridiculous.
@momszycat4148
@momszycat4148 Жыл бұрын
The odor of desperation is very strong. I've heard these ppl try so hard to prove their narrative. It's just sad and it makes them look so foolish. Btw,if we can't see it to read it how could they write it?
@mckorr2116
@mckorr2116 Жыл бұрын
Folded in half so that the marks are on the inside, like writing on one side of a business card then folding it over so what you wrote is on the inside. Lead is soft, it could have been easily folded over, especially if you were inscribing a magic spell (curse) that wasn't meant to be unfolded and read. And we don't need to unfold or unroll archaeological finds to read them anymore. We have a variety of methods to look inside of things, separate out the layers without damaging them. Note I'm just addressing how, not claiming this particular object isn't anything more than a desperate attempt to create evidence where none exists.
@momszycat4148
@momszycat4148 Жыл бұрын
@@mckorr2116 I was asking because Kipp said the marks were so small they needed help seeing them,you know the size of a piece of rice.
@mckorr2116
@mckorr2116 Жыл бұрын
@@momszycat4148 My mistake, I misunderstood what you meant.
@pineapplepenumbra
@pineapplepenumbra Жыл бұрын
Ah, that's easy to explain, people were smaller back then (except Adam, who was 90 foot tall and could walk through molten rock without burning his feet).
@JohnWaaland
@JohnWaaland Жыл бұрын
Hi. Careful now momszycat you could be giving the Christians CLAIM to another miracle‼️😬
@dorarie3167
@dorarie3167 Жыл бұрын
“He should have kept practising.” Dang, that’s bringing the smackdown.
@theemptycross1234
@theemptycross1234 Жыл бұрын
They should have publish it in "The Journal of Wishful Thinking" 😁
@njhoepner
@njhoepner Жыл бұрын
So let's see - theft, deception, lies, and wishful thinking...yep, pretty much apologetics in action.
@DoctorBiobrain
@DoctorBiobrain Жыл бұрын
This is a form of the Sunk Cost Fallacy. The more time they wasted trying to find something the more they NEEDED to find something.
@EnglishMike
@EnglishMike Жыл бұрын
That, and the profit motive. I have absolutely no doubt that Stripling is going to make a lot of money from this "find" in the form of a book (probably already in the works) and on the conservative Christian lecture circuit, and it won't matter one iota whether the archaeological community comes to the conclusion that the whole thing is a fraud.
@tetsujin_144
@tetsujin_144 Жыл бұрын
10:18 - "Our friend, Jeremiah J. Johnston" Does he want pictures of Spiderman?
@Ken_Scaletta
@Ken_Scaletta Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of "backwards masking" on metal albums back in the day. It's unfalsifiable gaslighting.
@tonytuttle8018
@tonytuttle8018 Жыл бұрын
Sean McDowell, you are officially WAY overdue to put the "Hello fellow kids" hairdo to rest.
@brentwalker8596
@brentwalker8596 Жыл бұрын
Lol. Hair gel anyone?
@dingdongism
@dingdongism Жыл бұрын
Come on, you’re better than petty insults like that.
@sanaltdelete
@sanaltdelete Жыл бұрын
I friggin love the conciseness of Dr Kipp. Rock on my dudes!
@DrKippDavis
@DrKippDavis Жыл бұрын
Wow! I think this might be the first time my work has been called "concise." Thank you!
@sthed6832
@sthed6832 Жыл бұрын
Great video. I don't know anything about Biblical archeology, but I do know a lot about peer review, and if a paper gets submitted to one journal, and winds up in another, it got booted. You usually have the chance to revise and resubmit if the flaws are minor - outright rejection means there are fundamental problems. Even more so if it winds up in a not quite appropriate journal. If I was an editor of the one it was published in I'd be looking at having it withdrawn.
@MarcWhitaker
@MarcWhitaker Жыл бұрын
I have personally wet-sifted soil through a series of increasingly fine brass-sided mesh screens in our paleo lab to look to for small fossils like teeth or bone fragments. I’m 63, and those screens are older than I am. New technology my ass.
@0125AR
@0125AR Жыл бұрын
12:44 what is this?... commandments for ants?! How can we teach children of Abraham if they swallow them? These commandments have to be at least 3 times bigger!
@chesthoIe
@chesthoIe Жыл бұрын
Ha, what if the original Jewish people were atheists working for The Onion, who when they were asked what Gods they believe in they said, "Just one. I am." And then obviously everything got violently out of hand.
@Nick-Nasti
@Nick-Nasti Жыл бұрын
There's a theory that Christianity was invented by the Jews as a way to troll the Romans without backlash.
@derinderruheliegt
@derinderruheliegt Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 Then later, when all the people got into a drunken stupor, it infuriated Moses, so he went and hid behind a massive rock and bellowed out in a deep voice, “you shall have no other gods before me!” Aaron, drunk as a stick, slurred back “Great! So, how long you stickin’ around anyway?”
@Thundawich
@Thundawich Жыл бұрын
They have like an 8 square centimeter writing surface and managed to write down the equivalent of like 30 english words if you translate it? I've seem people write small before, but god damn.
@beowylfen
@beowylfen Жыл бұрын
Not the same language but have you ever seen how much Latin expands when you translate it to English? "MOMENTO MORI" becomes "Remember that you will die" It could be that the language incorporated a lot of what English uses as separate words into one word. Not defending the tablet, just saying how it could happen.
@DrKippDavis
@DrKippDavis Жыл бұрын
​@Miss Zoe yeah, the English translations tend to be expansive, but the epigraphers believed they saw a total 48 letters on the object.
@bethhaiku3684
@bethhaiku3684 Жыл бұрын
I need to check but i thought it had 30 markings not 30 words.
@DrKippDavis
@DrKippDavis Жыл бұрын
@@bethhaiku3684 48 individual letters, eight repeating letters, fourteen words.
@bethhaiku3684
@bethhaiku3684 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much.
@Kevin_Williamson
@Kevin_Williamson Жыл бұрын
At least Dr. Stripling admits he's a presuppositionalist when it comers to his work. He goes into it saying, "I know the Bible is true and accurate. How can I stuff the things I find into that already-made conclusion?"
@lnsflare1
@lnsflare1 Жыл бұрын
Moses, if he existed (which he almost certainly didn't), would have definitely been literate since he was supposed to be raised as the adopted brother of the pharaoh. Maybe illiterate of Hebrew, but that just brings up the question of why Exodus wasn't written in Ancient Egyptian instead.
@LDrosophila
@LDrosophila Жыл бұрын
thats a good question and why would God think the enslaved Israelites would be able to understand and read a language they had not spoken for centuries?
@mrapistevist
@mrapistevist Жыл бұрын
Ow! Damn! Sprained my credulity! 😅
@andywomack3414
@andywomack3414 Жыл бұрын
I would not put it past these worshipers of the naked-man-being-tortured-to-death to plant evidence to support their claims, or to claim for the benefit of their co-worshipers that some insignificant tiny object has profound philosophical importance.
@graydanerasmussen4071
@graydanerasmussen4071 Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't be the first time...
@Finckelstein
@Finckelstein Жыл бұрын
They lie for Jesus all the time. Going by the amount of "former atheist" christians online, you'd think there were no cradle to grave christians around.
@onlyme972
@onlyme972 Жыл бұрын
Or the second or third or.......
@britaom3299
@britaom3299 Жыл бұрын
Doesn't Paul himself say that it is more or less, perfectly justified to LIE to "spread the Gospel." That was certainly his MO: to appear to the Greeks as a Greek, to the Jew as a Jew, etc. IOW: say different things to different people in order to "get the numbers" and covert them. The ends justifies the means, etc.
@AenesidemusOZ
@AenesidemusOZ Жыл бұрын
So .. pareidolia. An overwhelming confirmation bias. Edit: Dammit! And then Paul had to go and say the same thing 😂
@MekonInBrisbane
@MekonInBrisbane Жыл бұрын
Thanks to Dr Kipp for correctly using the noun form - hieroglyphs.
@frederickagerbo1220
@frederickagerbo1220 Жыл бұрын
oh my sweet satan, when I clicked on this video did I get an add for genesis apologetic's homeschool curriculumm. That gave me a good laugh.
@wishusknight3009
@wishusknight3009 Жыл бұрын
I use an adblock so that never shows for me
@DrKippDavis
@DrKippDavis Жыл бұрын
The KZfaq algorithm is quite certain that I should become a Messianic Jew.
@derinderruheliegt
@derinderruheliegt Жыл бұрын
I get ads to vacation in Tel Aviv. Who knows. (Sorry, hit delete instead of edit.)
@ottonormalverbrauch3794
@ottonormalverbrauch3794 Жыл бұрын
Those ads, mostly bible courses, couldn't have fallen into more barren earth in my case. Google ads isn't too trustworthy at finding the right target group, it seems.😂
@Erimgard13
@Erimgard13 Жыл бұрын
I get Christian dating app adds all the time here lol
@Vegan_Ape_2018
@Vegan_Ape_2018 Жыл бұрын
The sorcerer's stone? Nice! (The sorcerer's/philosopher's stone could supposedly help avoid death, unlike Christianity) What if that tablet was just a new student practicing their letters? 🤔
@DrKippDavis
@DrKippDavis Жыл бұрын
If there were actual letters on it, then maybe? But it would be very unusual to use a semi-valuable lead object for this purpose, and then to fold it.
@stevewebber707
@stevewebber707 Жыл бұрын
I'd say that the archaeologist's reputation should tank from this, except it doesn't sound like he has a useful reputation to begin with.
@britaom3299
@britaom3299 Жыл бұрын
When his stuff gets rejected, he will just yell "Christian persecution" and claim that there is some "conspiracy" on behalf of "liberals in academia" to attack Christians. His fundie-followers will EAT THAT UP and they will claim that they are being persecuted too.....somehow.
@nzlemming
@nzlemming 3 ай бұрын
He's working for the archaeological equivalent of a puppy mill, so yeah.
@tgrogan6049
@tgrogan6049 Жыл бұрын
Anyone surprised? Another “First Century Mark”😮😮😮
@jamiegallier2106
@jamiegallier2106 Жыл бұрын
Dr. Kipp Davis is amazing, and his course is fascinating. Great video, as always, Paul!❤
@jenna2431
@jenna2431 Жыл бұрын
A practicing archeologist? Versus being a nominal archeologist?
@roberthawes3093
@roberthawes3093 Жыл бұрын
You're so cursed, you probably think this tablet's about you...
@DrKippDavis
@DrKippDavis Жыл бұрын
Well done!
@mugglescakesniffer3943
@mugglescakesniffer3943 Жыл бұрын
I asked Sean McDowell himself If I could get an apologetics degree and he said no I can only get a certificate because I am not a believer therefore I could not sign the Biola's religious contract to get into the school.
@tgrogan6049
@tgrogan6049 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@dougt7580
@dougt7580 Жыл бұрын
Wire me $50 and I'll send you a piece of paper that says you are certified as the world's foremost expert in whatever godology you want.
@oscargr_
@oscargr_ Жыл бұрын
And you were surprised?
@mugglescakesniffer3943
@mugglescakesniffer3943 Жыл бұрын
@@oscargr_ More like disappointed not surprised. That intellectual honesty went out the window but I am surprised because If I enroll for the whole thing that means more money for Biola. So far, he is not a sell out so he gets points for that.
@dougt7580
@dougt7580 Жыл бұрын
​​@@mugglescakesniffer3943 I suspect Sean's response has less to do about not selling out and is more about keeping Biola a christian safe space where their lies and propaganda can be disseminated free from question, challenge, and criticism. After all university is no place for honest, open inquiry.
@Andrew_Young
@Andrew_Young Жыл бұрын
I think this is one of your best videos. I don't know anything about Archeology, but could easily follow the points even while only listening to it.
@DarkAlkaiser
@DarkAlkaiser 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for introducing me to Dr Kipp Davis. I've loved your videos for a long time Paul, and he's another great addition to the content I keep up with.
@michaelsommers2356
@michaelsommers2356 Жыл бұрын
This is the kind of video I count on Paulogia to deliver.
@TheZinmo
@TheZinmo Жыл бұрын
"Facts are really nice." Thank you, Dr. Rollston. Yes, the ideed are.😄
@J_Z913
@J_Z913 Жыл бұрын
21:32 I asked Dr. Justin Sledge of Esoterica about this on his livestream last week and he immediately said that if Rollston said theres nothing there, then there's nothing there. I wish Dr. Sledge would come on here as a cartoon, but he isn't really into debunking or counter-apologetics, so I doubt it'll happen.
@adrianinha19
@adrianinha19 Жыл бұрын
I love that channel! His video on the esotheric origins of christianity was such an eye opener, it made so much more sense than even some of Paulogias theories.
@J_Z913
@J_Z913 Жыл бұрын
@@adrianinha19 Agree! His recent Paul video was awesome!
@robintorassa409
@robintorassa409 Жыл бұрын
This was the best explanation of this whole incident! Thank you so much for this video!
@FreemanPresson
@FreemanPresson Жыл бұрын
Well, we wandered into an area I know something about. So, in no particular order: 1. Many, not all, defixiones were folded lead tablets with inscriptions. They included words, diagrams, "voces magicae" aka "barbarous words." They were sometimes folded or rolled, sometimes pierced (3 or 9 nails likely for a curse), and buried or cast into water near the intended victim; 2. I have to agree that 4x2cm is too small; 3. Not all of them were curses-could be other spells; 4. You don't need iron to write on lead, although it's perfect for cursing, since you're invoking Mars with the iron and Saturn with the lead (possible anachronism: not sure if those correspondences were current before ~100CE); Also, WTAF is that structure? Would love to know if legit archeologists have studied it.
@DrKippDavis
@DrKippDavis Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this informative reply! On your last question, as far as I know other archaeologists have not yet had the opportunity to study the object. Archaeologists and other epigraphers and biblical scholars have come out VERY strong against Stripling's claims
@davethebrahman9870
@davethebrahman9870 Жыл бұрын
This is an alleged semitic inscription. ‘Mars’ is not relevant.
@jeremysmetana8583
@jeremysmetana8583 Жыл бұрын
Sean is so detached from Rollston's attempts at sobering him up. His only response to anything the man says is "Hmm... Hmm... Hmm..." My wife makes the same noise when she falls asleep on the couch and say I tell her fifteen times in a row that she should go to bed.
@lordsrednuas
@lordsrednuas Жыл бұрын
Aw man, it would have been so cool if it was an ancient curse stone. But yeah, that really doesn't look like anything.
@JamesMiller-ou1wr
@JamesMiller-ou1wr Жыл бұрын
This just seems like an ancient version of playing the records backwards in hearing Satan
@scienceexplains302
@scienceexplains302 Жыл бұрын
*arrangement of letters* Several non-scribe Canaanites/Hebrews were playing “spin the tablet” during an earthquake with each one adding their own letters 😂
@SadisticSenpai61
@SadisticSenpai61 Жыл бұрын
Well, I can see why he couldn't get it published in the journal he wanted to publish it in. Wow. That's really bad.
@gerritvalkering1068
@gerritvalkering1068 Жыл бұрын
There's a difference between 'there was no formal structure to writing yet' and 'people put the letters wherever'
@devinbraun1852
@devinbraun1852 7 ай бұрын
I listened to this back when it came out and it just popped back up in my feed. I find it interesting how this scroll discovery came and went so quickly in the apologist talking points.
@Lijrobert
@Lijrobert Жыл бұрын
In my field, it's bad form to do press conferences while a paper is still under review. Not sure about archeology though
@DrKippDavis
@DrKippDavis Жыл бұрын
It is absolutely bad form, but by the same token this happens all the time. I know a lot of people have been critical of this find for this reason, but the truth is that this is something that happens with significant frequency in Syro-Palestinian archaeology. Part of the problem may be that the major national news outlets in Israel all employ full-time correspondents and editors in archaeology news. As far as I am aware, that is pretty unique.
@bobvail1000
@bobvail1000 Жыл бұрын
"He should have... kept practicing.". 😂😂😂
@carpediem5232
@carpediem5232 Жыл бұрын
One of your best guests.
@davidkeller6156
@davidkeller6156 9 ай бұрын
I watched Dr. Robert Cargill’s take on this. He was not happy with Stripling.
@gaynomadic
@gaynomadic Жыл бұрын
“Doctor Scott! Janet! Brad! Doctor Scott! Rocky! “ I’m sorry, but this is the first thing I think of when I see a doctor called Scott. I did find all of this very interesting, I promise.
@jtveg
@jtveg Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. 😉👌🏻
@liberalinoklahoma1888
@liberalinoklahoma1888 Жыл бұрын
Having a PHD in religion is like having a PHD in studying Harry Potter Books .😮
@blakec8549
@blakec8549 11 ай бұрын
Looks like we have a wizard denier here. The evidence speaks for itself. Harry Potter has risen!
@thegreatcanadianweasel9928
@thegreatcanadianweasel9928 Жыл бұрын
Dunno, at the end, seeing Kipp's glorious hair, I am kinda upset his avatar didn't show it off. Other than that, amazing work. Very detail and informative. Goes into so many aspects of archaeology while showing up those charlatans that really are hurting a lot of people and the scientific community itself by putting zeal ahead of morality.
@gerededasein1182
@gerededasein1182 Жыл бұрын
I was struck by the ease with which the curse tablet promulgater spoke of "Moses," when (if I'm not mistaken) the current consensus is that "Moses" is actually a constructed identity, personifying a textual tradition (not the actual compiler / composer of the text), much along the same lines as "Homer" is for ancient Greece.
@harveywabbit9541
@harveywabbit9541 Жыл бұрын
Moses is a personification of Aquarius, just like Ganymede. Mount Ebal is nothing more than the winter season of hardship (cursings). A better spelling is Hebal which is two words of the + Bel/Bal/Bil/Baal aka the winter sun. Bel/Baal is generally associated with winter. An exception is Baal Peor (Lord of the Opening) who opens the year of the Bull. Lord, in the bible, always refers to the sun.
@victorhoisington5603
@victorhoisington5603 5 ай бұрын
I have a grudging admiration for the amazing ingenuity of religious apologists to come up with new and strange ways to persuade the gullible!
@CompComp
@CompComp Жыл бұрын
"He should've kept practicing" Damn son the corner gonna have to check that burn.
@ziploc2000
@ziploc2000 Жыл бұрын
Sean's really rocking the balding Tintin look.
@davidchess1985
@davidchess1985 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see the editor's / reviewers' comments from the N rejections that that paper got. :)
@petergrant2561
@petergrant2561 Жыл бұрын
It seems to me that Stripling is an Apologetic who sees what he wants/expects to see and interprets it as confirming his predetermined view of the Bible. Let alone the issues about the source of the item in the first place.
@thomasridley8675
@thomasridley8675 Жыл бұрын
They will always find validation for their beliefs. Always finding something they can twist until it fits, then declare victory.
@helenaconstantine
@helenaconstantine Жыл бұрын
If Stripling were right about this object, it would also make it the oldest curse tablet, an important class of object from the Classical Greek and Roman periods, which would have a profound impact on our understanding of ancient magic (it looks like the Greeks were actually enacting rituals that Babylonian exorcists imagined that witches carried but weren't really performed in Babylonian society and finding such an old curse tablet in the Levant would form an important link), but this is clearly a fantasy.
@kevinomara5030
@kevinomara5030 Жыл бұрын
Paulogia makes some great videos and arguments. I have to admit, I thought Mark Hamil was arguing apologists for a brief moment finding his channel. Dr. Kipp’s input is always direct and informative. The way this curse thing was found should be prosecuted, both Palestine and Israel should unite in condemning this kind of so called archaeology.
@basildraws
@basildraws Жыл бұрын
Prematurely jumped the gun? Is there a correct time to jump the gun?
@lnsflare1
@lnsflare1 Жыл бұрын
When it's being held by a shark.
@derinderruheliegt
@derinderruheliegt Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of the cat holding challenge. You hold a cat in one arm, and a pistol in the opposite hand. You fire the pistol and see how long you can hold the cat. World record is 1.5 seconds.
@LS-kl6bj
@LS-kl6bj Жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation. Actually, their only interest is NOT in the Bible, rather it is in propping up their fundamentalist/evangelical interpretation of the Bible. Anyone who gets a Ph.D. from an evangelical institution has to agree with the doctrinal statement of that institution. These ideologial commitments to doctrinal statements undermine the concept of objective, independent research.
@Saezimmerman
@Saezimmerman Жыл бұрын
Love the discussion of archeological processes… I can’t hear about the descriptions on strata without thinking of the “archeological lasagna” metaphor. Now I’m hungry.
@thelostone6981
@thelostone6981 Жыл бұрын
“Hey! Let’s go to a dry land where water is a precious commodity and unnecessarily use an archaeological method!! Let’s go gang!” Only 6 minutes and I’m annoyed. As an American fan of the British TV show Time Team, I’ve learn a little of the methods (and academic approach) to archeology and it’s clear he and his team need to learn better techniques/have academic integrity….but I’m not hopeful.
@1970Phoenix
@1970Phoenix Жыл бұрын
I am convinced that Sean McDowell is (generally) an honest person. The fact that he had a guest on his show after Scott Stripling, who basically destroyed Scott's story is to his credit. But here is where I will criticise Sean McDowell. He is (effectivelly) playing the role of a journalist here, so he is ethically obliged to perform a certain level of due diligence on his guest, especially when a guest is making an astounding claim. It doesn't appear that Sean did any. As I've already said, it is to Sean's credit that he later had a guest who debunked Scott's ideas, but the damage is already largely done. Many people would have seen the original interview but not the rebuttal interview. Some who saw both, would choose to simply dismiss the rebuttal because the original interview supported their preferred narrative. As the story of this "find" circulates through the church layity, "as seen on Sean McDowell's show" will be used to lend credibility to a claim that is rejected by the experts in the field.
@DrKippDavis
@DrKippDavis Жыл бұрын
Agreed. I think and hope that maybe this is a sign of Sean learning slowly from past mistakes after the terrible interview he did with Craig A Evans.
@Florkl
@Florkl Жыл бұрын
Did not expect to see a murder before the 20 second mark
@__Andrew
@__Andrew Жыл бұрын
I saw a lot of Christian apologists talking about this in very vague but "groundbreaking!" terms so i looked it up myself and actual archeologist either were not given access to it or said basically "ya its cool, but it doesnt really change what we already knew".
@Ryansghost
@Ryansghost Жыл бұрын
I saw the face of Quasimodo in the tablet. (the Disney one)
@zigzagzaag
@zigzagzaag Жыл бұрын
Paul and Dr. Kill, thank you so much for doing this work! You're doing an amazing job making the truth of the matter available to average dummies like me, and I owe everyone like you an immeasurable degree of gratitude for your contributions to my cognitive liberation from the destitution that is fundamentalist Christianity. Thank you so much!
@VergilSDT
@VergilSDT Жыл бұрын
That Buffalo Bill cut-in cracked me up! Well played, Paul.
@chilanya
@chilanya Жыл бұрын
this reminds me of people seeing Jesus' face in a piece of toast
@Lunth-yl2mk
@Lunth-yl2mk Жыл бұрын
Paulogia - Paradolia.. Nice ring to it.
@snooganslestat2030
@snooganslestat2030 Жыл бұрын
Wow. The desperation is embarrassing.
@acerx203
@acerx203 Жыл бұрын
This seems like another gift.
@richardlewin9282
@richardlewin9282 Жыл бұрын
The way they tap dance around reality is hilarious 😂.
@MrMattSax
@MrMattSax 8 ай бұрын
This illustrates the problem with starting with a presupposed conclusion and then desperately trying to force the data to fit that foregone conclusion
@sicktodeath0_0
@sicktodeath0_0 Жыл бұрын
''He should have kept practicing.'' 😂👍 ✌️❤️
@andreas.grundler
@andreas.grundler Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of Prosper-René Blondlot and the so-called N-rays. Prosper-René Blondlot thought he had discovered a new form of radiation which he called N-rays. But it turned out that he saw what he wanted to see.
@Ripdric
@Ripdric Жыл бұрын
Twat lies for Jesus. Shocking! Great video as always!
@aaronshoup
@aaronshoup 7 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@Paulogia
@Paulogia 6 ай бұрын
Welcome!
@caroleanderson4020
@caroleanderson4020 Жыл бұрын
I employ the human superpower of pareidolia to create original artwork. When I first started doing it, I pretended I was an ancient "seer/oracle". I'd make the images, imagining it would have to be up to the learned priests to interpret them, lol. I get really nifty drawings from this trick, they can be likened to the work of Heronimous Bosch.
@adrianinha19
@adrianinha19 Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see those drawings! do you have a link?
@riseofdarkleela
@riseofdarkleela Жыл бұрын
I use pareidolia in my mixed media artwork too. I get into a flow laying down layers of marks and collaging and stamps /stencils until i start to see suggestions of a face, figure, house, animal, etc. Then I switch to paint etc to tease out the image my brain is seeing. I love hearing about how you use pareidolia in your work and I too would love to see some of it.
@pineapplepenumbra
@pineapplepenumbra Жыл бұрын
@@adrianinha19 Same here.
@victorhoisington5603
@victorhoisington5603 5 ай бұрын
This tablet business must be true because it really got me cursing at the sheer audacity of apologists to try and pull the wool over our eyes!
@karldubhe8619
@karldubhe8619 Жыл бұрын
An archeologist? No, he's just a thief who's been putting on airs.
@letsomethingshine
@letsomethingshine Жыл бұрын
Just a garbage thief, nothing major supposedly, unlike Hobby Lobby etc.
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 7 ай бұрын
So it would seem.
@tfive24
@tfive24 Жыл бұрын
this reminds me of that incident that happen a few years ago. Pinecreek did a video on how some christian found some scrolls, but they didn't have people see the scrolls.
@lilliclementine8119
@lilliclementine8119 Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@LionidasL10
@LionidasL10 Жыл бұрын
Shepherd on Mt. Ebal: Man this lead gum doesn't taste very good. *spits* Stripling: The holy dentition!
@Zift_Ylrhavic_Resfear
@Zift_Ylrhavic_Resfear Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video :)
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