Your not wrong there, very selfish in general

As a former London Paramedic I agree no respect for emergency services!! I work in Australia now completely different attitude and more respected 👍🏽

I agree. In theU.S. that would immediately be a ticket for failure to yield. Everyone gives way for police or fire. Maybe if the police enforced the law on yielding to emergency vehicles it wouldn't be such a chaotic situation.

Have you seen New Yorkers?!

BRUH BRUH New Yorkers respect emergency services, especially fire.

Then the emergency vehicles would not be able to get that's a clever idea how long did it take you to come up with that one. I am also amazed you have got 15 likes. Andy England 🇬🇧

yes-totally agree-if i had been in charge of incident i would have called on police to do this as soon as possible

@@andrewdaley3081 Of course the road should have been closed to all traffic in both directions at the nearest intersections. Massive response to what looks like a minor fire, by the way.

johanrebel we don’t have a lot of big junctions (intersections) we have roundabout . But I do agree they should have stopped traffic . I’m from a big village in Derbyshire England and its the polices Job to close roads if necessary

@@johanrebel its called grenfell syndrome (summin i made up) because basically they dont need another grenfell

First off this was not a small fire and second after Grenfell, the newly appointed Commissioner Roe has a new response policy, one that does not make the LFB look like a bunch buffoons in front of the entire world.

Including seriously overhauling fire prevention and suppression in tower blocks. Interlinked smoke alarms, sprinklers fire front doors the lot. I live in one. They don’t want another Grendel

that's what I thought after filming a full house response of 18 (!!!) emergency vehicles in Germany

@@atcsguy8761 Grenfall wasnt Commissioner Cotton’s fault.

Unfortunately Fire Police don't exist in the UK and it is upto the first arriving units to institgate traffic control IF they are able to, for example all Fire Engines carry cones, and warning signs and tape etc for road closure, and if the ic can spare a man to do it then they will, if they can't then they wait for police, who will take complete of traffic both Vic and ped on any scene

I guess there's nothing like fire police all across Europe. In some countries and some of their states FD is allowed to direct traffic, elsewhere they may only shut down the road; But for the further traffic management it takes the police then; And as the Police might not have sufficient manpower right at the beginning they might start nearby the scene and then sequentially expand the road block to nearby intersections, like in this clip from an apartment fire response in the Bavarian capital city of Munich: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pcqJes2Iprimemg.html

That’s so crazy 😜

Well it was a moderately sizable fire, but after Grenfell, the newly appointed Commissioner Roe has a new response policy for "high occupancy" buildings, so they are going to be sending more pumps and other specialized equipment to these types of fires, wither they need them or not.

Highly visible a night but not too Mutch as to dazle motorists

Was 6PF , FRU's go on 8+ , unless requested for another reason

Why would a FRU be there, only water appliances should be there

@@ae4042.... The clue is in the name. FRU stands for "FIRE" Rescue Unit. It doesn't just carry rescue equipment for use at car crashes and the like. They carry many bits of useful kit that is used at fires. And as the comment above already clarifies, London Fire Brigade mobilise FRUs when a fire reaches the 8 pump mark. My own county mobilise their Heavy Rescue Tender to fires when pumps reach 6.

@@YelpBullhorn apart from Copenhagen and New York City I have never seen Heavy Rescue Trucks responding to fire calls; Here it can be a fully involved structure fire but you won't see a Heavy Rescue on scene

@@EnjoyFirefighting They'd usually respond to big fires for the EDBA (Extended duration breathing apparatus)

UK doesn't have many ladders, the pumps carry hand ladders shown being used early in the vid. If aerial support is required it is either pre-planned or called specially.

In the lfb Heavy Rescues are known as FRU = Fire Rescue Unit, they go out to call that is 8 pumps or more, as for aerials as someone else has already said, if they're not part of the initial dispatch then they can be dispatched latter if the ic asks for them, as for air and light, they are known as OSU = Operational Support Unit and only go to major shouts where there are many firefighters who need BA tanks filling for a long duration of time ie 10+ pump fire at a factory or something

@@tonyshield5368 we carry ladders on Engines, Rescue Engines etc as well but still a Tower Ladder (turntable ladder) will always be part of the initial dispatch of a structure fire call here

Yep , it was far more important for him to turn around in the road than let the Command Unit get past ! Either that or more likely he didnt have a clue that an emergency vehicle was approaching .

In London command units are dispatched depending on how many pumps (normal fire trucks) are attending. This fire had 6 pumps which would require two command units. 3-4 pumps requires just one. Much bigger fires can often have 3 command units attending.

@@northoltflightwatch 3 to 4 pumps require such a large command truck? Seriously? That truck equals a class 2 command truck here and is used to handle the largest of incidents with dozenS of departments (not single pumps) being involved. Aren't there any van-based command units to take over calls with just a few pumps like this?Don't get me wrong, no hate or anything, and I know tactics sure differ from place to place, but that seems like a serious overkill to get such a large command truck on scene of such an incident involving only 6 pumps. We'd likely have 1 or 2 command units on scene as well, as they would be Battalion Chiefs or a general command unit, but that rather equals vans like these two, with the Sprinter being a large one already: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d72KfqR9nNfIlo0.html And a smaller Battalion Chief: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sLyJm9ubrJyakoU.html

Surprised me too!

It's because they dont have enough manning on one unit to fulfill the command role. Shocking

@@jimb3685 Really? Seems like a false economy there!

Or 2 counties responded???? Each county has a difference in procedures............. therefore had 2 command units for 2 counties? Just a thought

Both command units were Lfb.

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Glen Power Post Grenfell tower calls to flat fires are not taken lightly.

Lots of tea and coffee to be made .

Are you dim how do the emergency vehicles get there if they stop traffic. Andy England 🇬🇧

@@andrewdaley3081 Come on andy think about it they can obviously let Emergency Vehicles through and divert normal traffic at the nearest junction.

@@andrewdaley3081 lol seriously simply block the road and filter normal traffic vs. emergency vehicles; leavs more space on scene

@@andrewdaley3081 They move out of the way to let emergency vehicles through . You wouldnt believe how stupid and abusive some drivers can be . I have seen people trying to mount kerbs to get past a police car blocking a road at an RTC before now.

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Fire chief looks like they out numbered the firemen

6 pumps for this one

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seems a lot but maybe there was some kind of reported hazard? I've filmed full house responses of 18 units to calls which turned out to be false alarms ...

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shows how underfunded departments down there are. 5 fire-fighters wouldn't even be the crew of 1 Engine alone

@@EnjoyFirefighting To be able to work with that small amount of firefighters shows how much effort the crews put in the job.

@@sotosl5772 but at some point it's more a sacrifice ... decades ago a 1-man ambulance crew was fine as well but one wouldn't do that today any more. And thus on a regular Engine you'll see a crew of 9 fire-fighters at volunteer and a crew of 6 at career fire departments here in Germany.

@@EnjoyFirefighting I totally agree with you that having more firefighters is the safest approach. But unfortunately options are limited. For example. You could send an engine with 5 firefighters BUT if the streets are narrow you will either have a big engine with 2.500 litres ( will not fit) or a small one with 1000 litres.(not enough water) And there is always manpower and water backup if you need it. If you had 5 firefighters for every engine you would have to forget about: tankers,ladders,rescue etc. Trust me unfortunately this is the best option.

@@sotosl5772 of course it all depends on local circumstances of any kind, like road layout, available crew size etc; Many volunteer departments here go for Portable Pump Trucks or the now new classification of Medium Engines, both have only a crew of 6, but in fact they are hardly any narrower than the full-size apparatus. Depending on the Tanker classification the crew rangers from 3 to 6, on Ladders it's usually 3 just like on Heavy Rescues. Many departments which have issues with small streets will have at least one designated unit specifically designed for those streets; In cities like London they have both the manpower and fleet to roll up on scene in big scale. Same situation in most places across Germany. Some departments are easily able to roll out with 9 or more apparatus as once

South Harrow is in Harrow 🤦‍♂️

Where is South Harrow if it isn't the south bit of Harrow?

@@tgm9991 There is Harrow, South Harrow. North Harrow. West Harrow and Wealdsone.

Yeah it's all all part of Harrow

Actually it’s Rayners Lane not South Harrow as I live on the same side two blocks down from the fire

only 2police cars mate, probably ,once they have stood around and carried out risk assessments, they will decide to stop the traffic

The unmarked vehicles are fire officers

mortgagewizard40 there were 4! 2 were private

@@user-pe1fz8cf1b private ones are fire not police

@@mortgagewizard40 how do the emergency vehicles get there if they stop traffic. Andy England 🇬🇧

I wondered that too, usually 1 command unit per 4 pumps Unless it was increased to 8 pumps and then stood down shortly after...

Been 2 CU’s at a 6PF for years.

@@scoltress Never knew that

Dunno about over resourced but this certainly did look overkill. Most met brigades would only send 3 to a persons reported flat fire in this low rise style block. I wonder if there was something more going on?

This is post grenfeld and the new commissioner has taken a much tougher stance against high occupancy building fires ie block of flats, as to try and prevent a repeat of grenfeld.

@@DayMatthew968 but whatfor TWO command trucks of that size? 6 pumps is one thing but two command posts? We had quite some scenarios in the past as well but wouldn't send out a higher ranked command unit for sth like that

@@EnjoyFirefighting it is highly likely (can't tell you for sure as I wasn't there) that as it is a block of flats, that the CAD auto assigned it as a potential mass casualty incident therefor initiated 6 pumps plus 2 Command, (I know for my local force) 1st command unit would be for Fire Service Incident Command and will be dealing with anything fire related, the ambulance command will be in command of all ambulance personnel and resources, the second fire command wouod then become the Inter-Agency Command point where officers from all services in scene will report to, this is the ultimate control hub of the incident which will pass orders and responsibilities to each service who then take it to their own command unit and then dish out the orders from there.

@@DayMatthew968 thanks for the information. Unless specificly reported or due to the kind of incident very likely (e.g. train derailment) the inhibition level to dispatch according a MCI is quite high here. Last one I know was a reported fire at a retirement home which in the end turned out to be smaller than expected. We have 3 levels of command units: class 1 are the ordinary command units handling the every-day kind of calls and roll out with the rest of the convoy to e.g. basic fire alarms, apartment fires and stuff like that. Class 1 units are often based on compact to medium size vans, like Volkswagen T6, Mercedes-Benz Vito or Sprinter. Class 2 Command Units are usually truck based, roughly the size of the command trucks in this video, and are designed to handle large incidents with a great number of apparatus involved. Class 2 is as high as it gets in most areas. Only few cities run the highest ranked Class 3 Command Units which are either truck or bus based, for the extraordinary kind of emergency calls with the greatest amounts of dispatched apparatus. But Class 3 is rather sth nice to have, not necessarily required to handle the largest of incidents. The largest scene I've been at was a train crash involving ALL services and departments I can imagine, at a total manpower of 800 and the FD was on scene with a Class 2 Command Truck. Looking at the proportion: the same size of command truck like the LFB responded with in the video, but alone regarding helicopters we had more units on scene than Fire, EMS and Police units combined were on scene of this flat fire. That's the thing which seems a bit odd to me In EMS we usually do most of the command jobs with chief cars; Only in larger incidents with multiple people involved an EMS Command Support Unit might be dispatched but they are rare to see and don't exist everywhere

There were probably upwards of 6 flats served by the stairwell so there could have been quite a number of people needing rescue. London has 103 Fire Stations so I think they can spare 6 pumps for a while.

Why not?

And cunt comment of the week goes to ...........Rhys Davies

Better to have the manpower arrive fast and stand them down if not needed. Other option is potentially go in short of manpower and call in reinforcements for body recovery. Think about it. Which is the better approach?

@@CDB8939 103 didn't realise it was that many. Andy England 🇬🇧👍