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Emily Brontë NO COWARD SOUL IS MINE poem analysis | Emily Brontë’s Stoicism | 19th century poetry

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Dr Octavia Cox

Dr Octavia Cox

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@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts on Emily Brontë’s marvellous poem?
@melenatorr
@melenatorr 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this lovely, thoughtful and intelligent analysis of this powerful poem. It does seem to be a direct address against Chapone, and it makes me think of Anne Bronte's poetic stance against Calvinists in her "A Word to the Elect". I would argue that Emily's use of "creeds" is a direct attach on the thousand faiths and religions, even more than so than the petty troubles that you mention in this lovely analysis.
@reveranttangent1771
@reveranttangent1771 3 жыл бұрын
The reciprocity as equals does explain to me why some thought Stoicism as self aggrandizing.
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
@@melenatorr "You may rejoice to think yourselves secure" - what an opening line! (from Anne Bronte's 'A Word to the "Elect"') Another wonderful Bronte poem. Yes, I think you're right - that the "creeds" apply to men's various beliefs, faiths, religions, and how they apply them to their lives in the "world".
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
@@melenatorr And thank you very much for your kind compliments. Much appreciated. Octavia
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
@@reveranttangent1771 Yes - although, I suppose, the Stoic might argue that it's levelling, given that "Every Existence" exists in God, and so humans are no more or less God-like than a tree or rock?
@PissySkyKat
@PissySkyKat 2 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite recent quotes on the defense of stoicism is: 'control your emotions' doesn't mean 'don't feel your emotions.' It means 'feel your shit, face your shit, but don't _lose_ your shit.'
@stephenkoritta9656
@stephenkoritta9656 3 жыл бұрын
Powerful. The layering of contexts of Epictetus and Heights beams this composition through an intricate prism. Having you as a guide deepens the experience. The multiplicity of function in plays of words is teased out so fully in these close readings. Your point about the rhythmic inversion is an alteration I would have missed. The philosophical contrasts being leveled is another gripping aspect of this that expands an otherwise casual musing into a moment of pure contemplation. Hopefully something of this poem will dissolve into something yet to be created. Thank you, Dr.
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
It's my pleasure. I'm glad you found the video revealing. I'm fascinated by the rhythm too. I'm struggling to find another example of this rhythm.
@veeholmes633
@veeholmes633 2 ай бұрын
Brilliant as always. Thank you. I didnt think it was possible but I love Emily Bronte even more now
@cornelisjacobus2083
@cornelisjacobus2083 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this insightful and academic treatment of Emily Brontë's poem. I never looked upon it from a Stoic angle, so this video definitely added a layer to my understanding of it. Interestingly, you added Charlotte's assessment of her sister, which comes across as rather condescending. At any rate seems to clash with the opinion of Mr. Heger, the Brussels teacher, who praises Emily's "powerful reason". Indeed, what first struck me in this poem is its independent spirituality, which first and foremost appears to be inspired by observations of nature and the cosmos, rather than biblical doctrine. This is very remarkable for a clergyman's daughter, who lived in a comparatively small world. Wuthering Heights is to me a further indication of Emily's cosmic spirituality as well as her independent mind in creating characters that can be seen as forces of nature, giving the novel its almost shockingly pagan quality. This capacity of "thinking outside the box" is in my view a quality Emily shared with Anne.
@urbandiscount
@urbandiscount 3 жыл бұрын
Emily saw Liszt play in Halifax and she met him, and when he conducted a concert in Brussels, she attended. That they were "secluded" in Haworth and had no "contact with the world" is a myth. Haworth had a very active music life.
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
I find that there is lots of material in Charlotte's 'Biographical Notice' of Emily and Anne that is patronising and condescending - for instance: "The immature but very real powers revealed in 'Wuthering Heights'" (Biographical Notice', 1850, p.xi), or her comment on Anne's poetry that "these verses too had a sweet sincere pathos" ('Biographical Notice', 1850, p.ix). But I find Charlotte's assessment of Emily's "vigour", "power and fire" to be sincere (even if it's intermingled with the slightly supercilious "unsophisticated" and "unpretending" ('Biographical Notice', 1850, p.xv)).
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
Music was a passion for the whole Brontë family. Patrick Brontë [their father] was known to have organised at least one concert in Haworth (in 1832), and even organised the appeal to install an organ in St Michael’s Church (the achievement of which was celebrated with a concert on 23 March 1834).
@effie358
@effie358 3 жыл бұрын
@@DrOctaviaCox She probably couldn't be too kind towards them because of her own insecurity. Some people just need to make others seem smaller to feel good about themselves; but this may just be my mind being stuck on Charlotte being on the covert narcissist spectrum. I am sorry, I'll stop. Does gossiping about dead writers count as a hobby? I need to stop
@deblawrence8341
@deblawrence8341 3 жыл бұрын
Emily was just so brilliant! Loved this video and how you broke her poem down and explained it ... I've read this poem before but never understood it as well or got as much meaning out of it as I have after watching your video. Thank you very much!
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
She's wonderful! Very glad that you enjoyed the video and found it illuminating.
@sitting_nut
@sitting_nut 3 жыл бұрын
thanks. very enlightening. i must confess i haven't read bronte's poems. also while i have read some stoic and other philosophical works, i am unfamiliar with elizabeth carter's or hester chapone’s works. so this a new future path of reading and reflection for me.
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
Anne Bronte writes wonderful poems too.
@benedictcowell6547
@benedictcowell6547 Жыл бұрын
I do not dissent from any of thee comments on this Video. I think this study is one of the most competent and profound discussion of this poem. I have have always preferred Emily Bronte as a poet to a novelist but I had not understood this poem hitherto and we owe an immense debt of gratitude for this most brilliant treatment of this remarkable poem. She [Dr. Cox] augments the stature of this poem. I might almost this study is the most definitive exposition of this poem. I think it might be placed in juxtaposition with Arnold's 'Dover Beach'
@jamespotts8197
@jamespotts8197 3 жыл бұрын
I feel very fortunate to have "stumbled" upon a channel so magnificently subjected, as being totally devoted to prose and the fact that a channel, such as this will only expand my sense of what great writing can be and is. With me being a newly devoted practitioner to the fine artistry as well craft of writing, while long possessing the upmost profound love of literature and alike the art of well written prose, these readings have absolutely captured me, my full attention and as well love for your readings, and all of this will only suit my needs in making me a well grounded prose artist as well, so once again my greatest amount of thanks will be rationed off to you, for introduction to this insightful enterprise of mind expanding works from some of the greats in the history of the written word.
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
Analysing how writers construct poetry can teach us so much about prose construction too. Thank you for watching. And best of luck with your writing! Octavia
@mch12311969
@mch12311969 3 жыл бұрын
I would have read this as entirely having a basis in Christianity; Bronte being a stoic adds an interesting layer to it
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you found the video interesting.
@denisegiannakis5667
@denisegiannakis5667 3 жыл бұрын
All this is new for me; a different view of these classics that I've read and reread regularly! I've never studied the inner mechanisms of literature but still find your posts like little expeditions! Thank you!
@helenwelch1554
@helenwelch1554 8 ай бұрын
Dear Dr Cox, Thank you for this illuminating study. It is so generous of you to share your knowledge of English literature. Yours sincerely, Helen Welch (Australia)
@nastyaissor7825
@nastyaissor7825 3 жыл бұрын
Always wanted to learn about Bronte's poetry! Great video
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. She's a wonderful poet.
@CurtRowlett
@CurtRowlett 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for helping me to better understand one of Emily's most wonderful poems.
@markdunkerley104
@markdunkerley104 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for a most interesting analysis. Your explanations are lucid and so thoughtful
@katieflaxbeard1019
@katieflaxbeard1019 3 жыл бұрын
Emily Bronte is my favorite ❤️❤️ this was magnificent thank you
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
She's marvellous! I'm very pleased you enjoyed the video - thanks for watching.
@gayathryr925
@gayathryr925 23 күн бұрын
amazing analysis. my professor ruined my understanding of Emily Bronte and trust me you moulded it so well for me.
@juliamacdonald3767
@juliamacdonald3767 3 жыл бұрын
What a hero she was. Thanks.
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
She's marvellous. I love her fierceness.
@savvy2358
@savvy2358 3 жыл бұрын
Argh.. her take on the fear of death and how it impacts our lives is so correct.
@vanvinos
@vanvinos Күн бұрын
thank you, Dr. Cox
@CaroleMcDonnell
@CaroleMcDonnell 3 жыл бұрын
There are so many echoes of Biblical verses in this poem. So many words from St Luke (the song of Zaccharias says that we will serve God without fear), St Paul (the fight of faith, God within), St Jude (froth, weed, anchor), the first epistle general of John, the psalms (the rock), Revelation (no cowatd enters heaven.) and even the books of Moses (the spirit of God brooded over the waters. "Moved" is brood in Hebrew).
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
This is so interesting - thank you for noting these allusions. The "brood" / "moved" point is fascinating.
@CaroleMcDonnell
@CaroleMcDonnell 3 жыл бұрын
@@DrOctaviaCox i love all your videos and recently went down the jane austen rabbit hole and pulled another friend down there with me. Thanks so much.
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
Ha - brilliant! I hope you enjoyed the rabbit hole!
@CaroleMcDonnell
@CaroleMcDonnell 3 жыл бұрын
@@DrOctaviaCox Totally did!
@martinkingston1498
@martinkingston1498 3 жыл бұрын
The entire Bronte family would have been steeped in Christianity, and Emily herself was probably a true believer, albeit a somewhat unconventional one, who likely had little time for either religious institutions, or the hypocrisy often found in their adherents. In many ways she echoes the attitudes of the early desert fathers where self discipline, simplicity, and separation were considered to be essential parts of spiritual development, as was the inner silence that one found when alone in nature. Both Wuthering Heights and much of Emily's poetry is centered on a deeply personal, mystical relationship with the natural world, which itself is seen a living expression of transcendent supernatural realities. The desire for union with the sublime is so strongly felt in her work that it leaves an indelible impression, and is in part probably why it creates such a haunting feeling. An absolutely remarkable writer.
@matrig6
@matrig6 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video, and for your generous sharing of your expertise in all of your videos. I found you only recently and I'm so enjoying your analyses of Jane Austen's and the Brontës' writings, with your powerful addition of important cultural and sociological context. And now I have to go looking for more about Elizabeth Carter, too! As a former academic classicist myself, I'm surprised I've never before heard of this particular female pioneer in the field. Her knowledge of Classical Greek must have surpassed that of most males even at a time when it was common for males to study it at school.
@halyeponi9391
@halyeponi9391 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing the poem. Now I have to learn it by heart.
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
My pleasure. A beautiful poem.
@effie358
@effie358 3 жыл бұрын
wooo hooo! More Emily Brontë :D I can't wait to watch this!!
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
Ha! - I hope you enjoyed the video Wildroses.
@effie358
@effie358 3 жыл бұрын
@@DrOctaviaCox I did! It's a fascinating video. There is so much I wasn't familiar with, such an interesting video :D
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
@@effie358 Brilliant! - glad you found it interesting. Octavia
@katina9632
@katina9632 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Dr. Cox! I adore your P&P videos (probably because I am such a huge fan of that masterful work and admittedly it’s the only one I’ve read from the material you usually cover! Lol) are there other topics on P&P that you haven’t yet covered but would want to discuss? I realize while I’m writing this that you covered so many key elements of the story already. I guess I would like to know more about the Gardiner’s (why are they such a good family?), the Bingley sisters (why are they so mean inside lol), what would probably have happened to Mary and Kitty after the end of the story, a deep dive into Lady Catherine’s character and what Austen was trying to critique with the character? Do you think Austen saw any of Lizzie in herself like Emma Woodhouse? just a few ideas! Thanks for the great content.
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Katina. Those are great questions, and all topics I'd love to cover in the future. And there's so much to say about all of them! You mention Lizzy and Emma Woodhouse - I also think there are comparisons to be made about Lizzy and Mary Crawford too (e.g. how they are similar, but crucially how they are different, and what those differences suggest).
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
And with regards to the futures of Mary and Kitty Bennet , we actually know what Austen herself imagined for their futures. James Edward Austen-Leigh [Austen's nephew] wrote a lovely passage in his 'Memoir of Jane Austen' (1869): "She certainly took a kind of parental interest in the beings whom she had created, and did not dismiss them from her thoughts when she had finished her last chapter ... She would, if asked, tell us many little particulars about the subsequent career of some of her people. In this traditionary way we learned ... that Kitty Bennet was satisfactorily married to a clergyman near Pemberley, while Mary obtained nothing higher than one of her uncle Philip’s clerks, and was content to be considered a star in the society of Meriton." (ch.10)
@katina9632
@katina9632 3 жыл бұрын
@@DrOctaviaCox thanks, Dr. Cox! I love hearing about how Kitty and Mary eventually married. I can see why there is so much fan fiction and supplementary works out there about what would happen after the story ends. I look forward to more great videos!
@katina9632
@katina9632 3 жыл бұрын
Hi again@@DrOctaviaCox ! I convinced my bf to start the 1996 version of P&P with me this weekend and we just finished the first proposal scene in episode 3, which made me think of a couple more questions to explore. First - What was going through Darcy’s mind in how he crafted his proposal, or rather, did he really expect Elizabeth to accept him when approached in such a manner!? And second - what would have happened if Elizabeth had actually accepted his first proposal? I can’t imagine Lady Catherine and Caroline Bingley reacting well, plus what did Darcy think would happen with Jane and Mr. Bingley once he wed Jane’s sister? He doesn’t seem to betray any regrets or even second thoughts about his actions separating Jane and Mr. Bingley at this point in the novel. (Based on what I’ve seen in rewatching the BBC series)
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
Really interesting questions. I think it's a jolly good thing that she rejected him first time around! - if nothing else to ease any nagging doubt (in either of their minds) that she accept him for his status & money etc (which might then have remained a continuing bone of contention). With regards to Lady Catherine and Caroline Bingley - there's not much they could do about it (as with their later union). And you're right to consider his hypocrisy about Bingley and Jane. I think it's clear from the first proposal that Darcy wasn't really thinking (certainly not with his head)...
@warholcow
@warholcow 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Want more!
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
Ha! - that's the plan!
@oksanastowell8981
@oksanastowell8981 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this wonderful explanation of the poem. I learned English by learning poems and songs by heart, thus my language used to be a bit archaic. I was wondering whether it would be too much trouble for you to list the literary devices you illustrated in this video in the description of the video? Thank you for posting your videos.
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome, Oksana. No problem - here are the literary definitions from the video: Litotes = ‘A figure of speech, in which an affirmative is expressed by the negative of the contrary’ (Oxford English Dictionary) Hyperbaton = ‘A figure of speech in which the customary or logical order of words or phrases is inverted, esp. for the sake of emphasis’ (Oxford English Dictionary) Anaphora = ‘The repetition of the same word or phrase in several successive clauses’ (Oxford English Dictionary) Common metre = poetic metre consisting of four lines (quatrain) that alternate between tetrameter (four metrical feet per line) and trimeter (three metrical feet per line)
@francespyne7316
@francespyne7316 3 жыл бұрын
So interesting how the rhythm is as important as the words in how we understand and feel it. That might explain why those poems we all write as children never really feel full
@garycoates4987
@garycoates4987 3 жыл бұрын
Brontë refers to stoic ideals in a lot of her works. She stands apart from her sisters in her understanding of human nature that the ideal is to be fully formed in personality and interactive with nature.
@dr.shaziarosekiran3533
@dr.shaziarosekiran3533 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderfully explained, thank you
@PissySkyKat
@PissySkyKat 2 жыл бұрын
I never thought that there was any notion whatsoever - historical or contemporary - of women being capable of stoicism. The way we women are treated in the (in)justice system - if you show emotion, you're automatically 'hysterical,' but if you maintain composure, you're branded 'cold' or even 'psychotic' - absolutely precludes the suggestion that women are anything but controlled outright by the constant storm surge of unhinged emotion.
@amberspecter
@amberspecter Жыл бұрын
In highschool, when we used to do poetry analysis and write pages of interpretation on a single line of poem, some kids would always ask the teacher "but do you think the poet put half as much thought into this, as we are, unraveling it"? And I always oscillated between yes and no. So I wonder, did Emily (or any poet) knowingly arrange every syllable of every word, as neatly as we see it in the final product, or was some of it subconscious, or lucky?
@reveranttangent1771
@reveranttangent1771 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't realize that Bronte was a philosophical Stoic. Edit: did she resolve the philosophical materialism of Stoicism with the theological dualism of christianity?
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
Ha! - no, she didn't.
@reveranttangent1771
@reveranttangent1771 3 жыл бұрын
@@DrOctaviaCox life long struggle?
@DrOctaviaCox
@DrOctaviaCox 3 жыл бұрын
@@reveranttangent1771 Emily certainly seems to have struggled with conventional / traditional Christianity. According to Haworth villagers, for example, she did not attend church regularly and refused to teach in Sunday School (although that might well be because "Emily is not very fond of teaching" as Charlotte opined in a letter of 24 July 1844).
@reveranttangent1771
@reveranttangent1771 3 жыл бұрын
@@DrOctaviaCox thank you
@ryam4632
@ryam4632 2 жыл бұрын
An exemplary analysis!
@abdullahsaif9196
@abdullahsaif9196 Жыл бұрын
Your explanation is superb, unfortunately our instructor explain this poem from feminist perspective which is a Vain attempt. I learned a lot, Thank You. This reflects the escapism of Emily Brontë from the difficulties of life and she comfort herself by believing in God and afterlife.
@mayraviscarroferrer
@mayraviscarroferrer 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing!
@Himmelhauser
@Himmelhauser 2 жыл бұрын
Would enjoy a video comparing EB's philosophy with George Eliot's.
@justonefyx
@justonefyx 11 ай бұрын
I just finished reading Wuthering Heights and Emily Bronte's poems. I get the feeling Emily's Christianity differs from Charlotte's. From reading the novel and the poems, I never got the feeling she was an ashiest, but that maybe she found that Anglican church she attended too suffocating. I get this feeling she preferred or practice a type of Christian mysticism. That all she needed was herself and God, she didn't a minister or church to be an intermediary between herself and God. This is just what I felt reading her words. I could be dead wrong.
@s.o.3753
@s.o.3753 3 жыл бұрын
This is by no means a criticism, and I love everything you do, but I recently read that that profile portrait is now thought to be of Anne rather than Emily. Truly a shame we don't have more portraits of these ladies!
@garycoates4987
@garycoates4987 3 жыл бұрын
have you done a full analysis of "Wuthering Hieghts"?
@meretchen
@meretchen 2 жыл бұрын
9:00. A little correction. It is "impious pride", not "imperious pride".
@seanwalsh5717
@seanwalsh5717 2 жыл бұрын
3:35 eh·puhk·tEE·tuhs
@laurainman3244
@laurainman3244 3 жыл бұрын
Have you heard of the book, "The Poetic World of Emily Bronte?"
@ainulmardhiah5083
@ainulmardhiah5083 Жыл бұрын
can i know this type of poetic form?? It is closed form ?
@ainulmardhiah5083
@ainulmardhiah5083 Жыл бұрын
I want to know it ASAP 😭
@edthoreum929
@edthoreum929 Жыл бұрын
5:40
@anne-mariewong7349
@anne-mariewong7349 10 ай бұрын
I really am tempted to send you a hair clip😃
@afterlate8866
@afterlate8866 3 жыл бұрын
'God is within so virtue is within' - How can the Stoics be accused of pride if they recognise that it is God within who is virtuous and not themselves? God acts within the human and the human is merely a receptacle for God to act in, and the receptacle is in God. Does Emily Bronte draw a parallel to this by getting Catherine to state the author is within the character and the character is within the author? If this is so, I don't understand why Catherine says that she is Heathcliff as she is not his author/creator. I can't fathom whether Emily Bronte believes that God and the receptacle (ie. the human being) are separate entities or fused into one. If they are the latter, then at death, they both die.. I'm not clear.
@PissySkyKat
@PissySkyKat 2 жыл бұрын
Girlfriend telling it like it is! What greater 'vainglory' is there but melodrama? The most flowery but powerful way of saying 'get over yourself' I've ever heard. Why would God ask us to glorify Him by debasing ourselves? Wouldn't it glorify him more to have children who could will themselves to greatness by 'putting off the natural man'? As a parent, I'd be more gratified by seeing my children rise from primordial sludge - to make themselves honorable and veritable mortal-gods with very little coaching from me - than to see them fail to measure up to my benchmark as a sacrifice to my superiority.
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