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What to expect when you order a BankManager™?
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Күн бұрынMore information on this and how to order a BankManager™ can be found by visiting www.emilyandcl...
This video covers what you can expect when your BankManager™ Generation 1.0 (black box) arrives and how to assemble and install it in your system. If you ordered a Generation 2.0 (white box) , your unit will come pre-assembled.
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@stephengreen2898 2 жыл бұрын
I am 77 and totally survive on SS … I LOVE you guys and your support for ALL who have & will sail…. I will support you MONTHLY with $$$ very soon…. I NEVER MISS A VIDEO from you guys! LOVE & may God continue to Bless you as you BLESS US!
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Stephen. That was so nice of you to say.
@tblbaby 2 жыл бұрын
I'm still Noob, this helps shed light on the process and why of some of this stuff. My boat as of now is a van and I hope it never has maritime issues, unless I build a platform for that. I dig boats though and the ocean, which may be a while off for me as an owner operator. Who knows.
@braithmiller 2 жыл бұрын
Elegant small controller. I like the separation of devices for repairability.
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Braith. Yes, and all the components are available. I was concerned that people would be put off about the small size but I went for small to not waste valuable boat space. And figured people would realize that cell phones are tiny and powerful. It's all about the software!
@braithmiller 2 жыл бұрын
@@EmilyAndClark The amount of surface mounting space is incredibly limited in my boat. Additionally I detest attaching more electrical in the cabin on grand mahogany. I could easily reconfigure the components into a round or square gauge style. Waterproof housing is all I can see to improve.
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
Waterproof is difficult for something that needs wire access. I apply conformal coating. So the chips and board are basically waterproofed
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
If you do remount it please send me a picture. It's possible to have this drive a larger screen. 1.5 or 2.4 inch diagonal. I haven't tested yet but they are made and should work.
@braithmiller 2 жыл бұрын
@@EmilyAndClark Certanly I will if I can get a unit. Dummy gauges are still available. They might work with modification. Rather a square over round. Hoping for you the lot go high and completely out of my range, your efforts deserve it.
@andrewswingler 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video Clark. Appreciate the effort on this device. I especially like the single knob interface. You may want to address an important consideration *especially* if this is drifting towards DIY assembly etc. Fusing. Especially the voltage sense lines. Your video regarding the boat fire was excellent content and reminds us how important ‘thermal event’ safety is.
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah. The manual will call for fuses. Just a level of detail I didn't want to include here. I did these videos so people would know what they are buying. After all this is a new concept. I don't expect that anyone would be disappointed upon receiving their bbms to find it calls for fuses. But they might be disappointed finding they have to hot glue the display on to the lid.
@andrewswingler 2 жыл бұрын
Understood. On that note it might be good to open up with a few sentences about what the BBMS does and include overall high-level wiring schematic diagram (with fuses ). Or at least add a link. Not everyone landing on this vid will know what the bbms is for. You guys have those great graphics capabilities...
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. But a problem with KZfaq is once you publish a video you can't change it. I hope people figure it out. Have you seen both videos we launched today. The other one might make it more clear.
@simonmasters3295 Жыл бұрын
@@EmilyAndClark This approach is a breath of fresh air in a world of confusion for me. Have emailed you. On the KZfaq editing front suggest you delete (or set private) and resubmit updates but of course shared links among customer base won't work.
@EmilyAndClark Жыл бұрын
But the user count goes to 0 and unless I republish (sending a repeat poke to my existing viewers) the new video becomes a non promoted 0 viewed video and the population old video is no longer promoted by KZfaq either.
@hyperchannel4048 2 жыл бұрын
A bistable relay would be a good choice. The normal relays take to much current and get hot. There also IGBT transistors out there which can handle several hundred amps. Instead of a Hallsensor I would still prefer a normal shunt because the Hall based sensores become discalibrated by overcurrenting very easy. A simple shurtcut that pops the mainfuse an the readings then are far away from the truth.
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
I did run into that issue with the Hall sensor. I've added some dynamic recalibration features to the software. So far it's OK but if it poses a problem in other installations I can stop charging for a few seconds and recalibrate when things get near completion. That feature won't be in this version but I'm planning on allowing field software updates.
@simonmasters3295 Жыл бұрын
Totally get this and, like Hyper your commenter, I too would favour shunt sensors. Having just installed five, but not wired them to any electronics it's a tiny bit annoying to go back to a Hall device.
@StephenWalkerAhoy-Boats 2 жыл бұрын
Just love all your videos. Thanks. Got to replace my batteries now so big decisions ahead.
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
I just finished the second batch of BankManagerPlus units. In fact they are assembled, tested, and packed up on the table now ready to post to our distributor today. So for at least a little while they will be available again. Your timing is good if you want to go this way.
@gefginn3699 2 жыл бұрын
Great post Clark
@somebody1869 2 жыл бұрын
What about using a contactors like the Blue Seas 7700? It’s bistable and has a remote switch which can be used for microcontroller on/off interaction through relays without impacting the switch itself and can be switched manually, and it has a manual lock-out for a technician working in the battery to disable any chance of reconnecting.
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
It's a bit expensive but sure if you like it my BBMS will control it fine. If you use the lockout control on the Blue Sea you should reboot the bbms. That way it will safely get everything back in sync and recalibrate it's current sensor correctly.
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
I just took another look at this and noticed it uses high side switching. My BBMS gives low side switching. One would need to convert my negative side signals to positive signals to work with this. Could be done with a p channel MOSFET a diode and a resister for each line. Or, not solid state but, it could be done with two tiny relays. Basically make the relays act as the switches in the blue sea install document. I signal for 150 Ms so loads of thine for the relays to action
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
You might like this one. Basically the same thing but available as low side switching. Mxl14 by www.gigavac.com/catalog/power-products/mx-series
@mjanulis3603 Жыл бұрын
Hey Clark thanks for another great video. I have a quick question for you regarding a simple 50 W solar panel which I purchased with a controller included. Is it normal that the solar panel charge manager can handle one lithium battery by itself. I’m using one lithium battery to power a small refrigerator cooler and I have a solar panel to keep that battery charged. Do I need something other than what normally comes with a solar panel in the way of a controller. Thank you
@EmilyAndClark Жыл бұрын
The "free" regulators tend to just stop voltage at a point and stay there. That will kill li fast. Also not good for lead unless the panel is small relative to the battery. Of course I think the "Victron" approach isn't that healthy for them either but I'm biased
@OnerousEthic 3 ай бұрын
10:20 my application is a camper van rather than a boat. Does the automotive application require any changes or considerations in installation, configuration, and/or maintenance?
@EmilyAndClark 3 ай бұрын
You just have to take the little lifejackets off the electrons. Seriously it's the same thing. There are lots of RVs running the BankManager including ours. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rM-Eo6mHybGYlKc.html
@tydobie9380 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Guys, Great channel, Do you ship to Australia? if you do what approximate cost would it be?
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
No WE don't. It just cost too much. But an Australian guy recommended reship.com. So we are recommending them or any other re-shipper. We ship to their US address and they collect what packages you have and forward them on to you. Cheaper and I think more reliable then a tracked package direct. Outside the US and Canada we have sent more of these to Australia then any other country.
@tydobie9380 2 жыл бұрын
@@EmilyAndClark Thanks Guys, Ill look in to it, looks like a great product cant wait to get my hands on one. all the best from Tasmania.
@nobody46820 2 жыл бұрын
Nice! Could this be used with a capacitor instead of a lead battery? What watch are you wearing? 🙂👍🏻
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
No. Super caps sound like a good idea at first. They aren't. There are huge issues that will become apparent when your get serious. Citizen Blue Angel.
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
But technically bit would work with a big enough cap bank. If you built current control equipment. Just don't do it!
@nobody46820 2 жыл бұрын
@@EmilyAndClark Yeah, I was curious if you happened to resolve any of those issues. Nice choice on the watch!🙂👍🏻
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
The disadvantages outweigh the advantages. So I gave up on that idea within hours of thinking about it.
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@davidsmith340 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Clark, thank you for the video and hello from over the pond! We have a narrowboat and I want to move to lithium but, we have a twin alternator setup, one for the LA starter battery and another for the LA house bank. I really like the idea of your BBMS. Do you have a wiring diagram for how I could accomplish adding lithiums to our LA batteries via your BBMS? Many thanks again, David
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
Sure David. Have a look at the manual. www.emilyandclarksadventure.com/bbms Basically you keep all your current charging systems installed. Just parallel your new li with your house lead with a contactor on the positive wire. The BankManagerPlus controls the contactor to disconnect the li once it's charged and reconnect it when it is needed for service.
@davidsmith340 2 жыл бұрын
@@EmilyAndClark thank you. Ordering one now
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
Great. You will need a US address. If you don't have a friend some people are using reship.com
@1dandandy1 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Clark, Thank You so very much for your videos on combining lifepo4 with lead acid. This concept makes perfect sense to me. The best of both battery technologies in one! I have a 60 volt mobility scooter that I am considering adding lifpo4 to. I was wondering if I were to build a 19 series lifepo4 and parallel it to the lead acid pack? My charger charges the lead acid to 70 volts. The 19s lifepo4 would be fully charged at 69.35 volts. Would there be anything bad going on with that setup? Thanks Again. 👍 Dan.
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
Well yes. It's hard to charge li correctly and my device will probably die if exposed to over 60v. I only designed it for 48v systems. You would have to find the current and voltage to shut down charging and shut charging right down when that point is reached. Or you can accept that your Li might not last quite as long as overcharge it a bit. Lots of research ahead if you go down this road.
@1dandandy1 2 жыл бұрын
@@EmilyAndClark Thanks Clark. Yup that was what I was wondering. If the BMS could shut down the charging of the lifepo4 at the 3.65 volts per cell and then allow the lead acid to continue charging to the full 70 volts. Thanks for the quick response and hope you have a good day evening.
@IrregularPineapples Ай бұрын
are the two diodes important on the shallco 300a that connect from the on and off terminals to the common terminal? the manual didn't clearly say how to turn the bi-stable relay off manually so I first wired the positive to the 86b+ terminal and the minus to the 85- common minus terminal through a momentary switch -- but this first blew up my 5A fuse, then my 10A fuse and then I tried without a fuse and it probably blew up the diode since I thought it just needed more current to actuate -- anyway the diodes look like they are shot but are they imporant? when I switched the negative/positive wires it actuates normally and I could turn the bi-stable relay off for finishing the installation
@EmilyAndClark Ай бұрын
First off to everyone reading this. The engineer chose a fuse size carefully so you can't do something stupid. If you blow a fuse assume you did something wrong and DON'T use a bigger fuse. Those are flyback diodes and are important to protect the final transistors in the controlling device. As long as you use this contactor with a BankManager they are unimportant as I include flyback diodes in the BankManager itself. Remove them as they sometimes fail shorted.
@kenkrommenacker8649 7 ай бұрын
So not all the parts come with this thing? And how does it work with cold winters?
@EmilyAndClark 7 ай бұрын
This is a video about assembling the Gen1 unit. We don't sell them anymore. The Gen2 comes all assembled. You need to add a switch, 3 fuses, and wire. The best way to protect your Li in cold weather is with a BMS. But in a few months I'll be offering a Gen3 unit. It will cost more (the GEN2 will still be available) but will include cold weather Li shutdown, Bluetooth and several other new features. It will have a switch on the case.
@bill80132 2 жыл бұрын
As a motorhome owner I am intrigued by this idea and device. I would like to hear from another motorhome owner that is using this device. In particular, does this device protect the lithium when starting the generator (which I would still use for air conditioning, and is started from the house batteries).
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. There is a feature that lets you limit the draw on the lithium. When the engine cranks if the draw is too high the li is disconnected until the battery charger brings the lead back up for safe reconnect. We are installing it on my parents RV next month and taking a few months to tour the American West.
@bill80132 2 жыл бұрын
@@EmilyAndClark Thank you for your quick response!!
@jamescasino4297 Жыл бұрын
@@EmilyAndClark Hi Clark would like to buy this unit the plus I’m running on my home right now with a generator With lead acid battery’s I picked up lithium batteries I like the way you’re hooking them together and would like to buy the plus model what do I do
@EmilyAndClark Жыл бұрын
Just visit the sales page and place your order. www.emilyandclarksadventure.com/bbms
@MarkSpohr 2 жыл бұрын
Is there a wiring diagram somewhere? I understand this better.
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
Have you watched both of this week's videos?
@bitsurfr46 Жыл бұрын
When you demonstrated the Bank Manager, you showed an assembled unit. I think you should tell people that the product they are buying is unassembled.
@EmilyAndClark Жыл бұрын
The new 2.x "white case" units come fully assembled. You just screw them to the wall and hook up the wires.
@bitsurfr46 Жыл бұрын
@@EmilyAndClark Thank you Clark. I'm not very handy and simpler is always better for me.
@EmilyAndClark Жыл бұрын
Where are you? I have a friend about to install BankManagers on a fleet of "Duffy's" if you are close he does great work.
@TravisTellsTruths 6 ай бұрын
Can I use this in my car instead of a boat?
@EmilyAndClark 6 ай бұрын
If you are putting LiFePO4 in your car it's a great idea. I have one in my truck
@TravisTellsTruths 6 ай бұрын
Super cool. I'm either creating a cheap "powerwall" from lithium ion (3.7 nominal) cells or I'm doing LiFePo batteries. I'm not sure yet but I'm creating a special project that I need auxiliary battery in my car and some solar charging hopefully may be doable. I'll copy the comment I just wrote someone else about this project: I'm doing a multiple year HH0 (hydrogen and oxygen enhancement) project on my car. I have a huge HHO generator installed and a special PWM 100 AMP rated. I'm seriously hoping someone can help me complete the last 1%. Everything else is finished and very well working. I've driven months and months with HH0 and it's awesomely wonderful. The power system is my struggle, I'm 99%. I simply need to convert a 0.5-1 volts reference signal to: [times 5] to 2.5-5 volts signal the PWM can read. Op-amp or analog curcuit is answer. I'm too new to electronics to quite get this so far. Help? 😢😮😊
@MarkSpohr 2 жыл бұрын
I got the email but was confused about how much to bid since there weren't any prices listed that I could find. What is MSRP?
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
The MSRP is $380. You will need a contactor, I'm offering one for $150. We put out two videos this week. One goes over the wiring. There will be a manual before shipping of course. Lots of details on the web page and on the bidding form.
@coachgeo 2 жыл бұрын
tried to contact you via the *Eea-male system on your website...... but it came back as un-deliverable by my ages old MSN mail service that is "hot" few questions ... as I understand it your system essential does what a BMS does for protecting/balancing etc. cells in a battery... but instead balancing each battery, in a bank? ... does this BBMS reduce? eliminate? the issue of charging lithium via alternator (aka acts like a restricter or buffer or similar to the issues that arise when using standard alternator for charging Lithium?) ... is this available to purchase yet? *apparently I can't use the real word or youtube axes my post...
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
As long as you don't use a url I think you are OK. The BBMS is essentially different then a BMS. Please look at the user manual. www.emilyandclarksadventure.com/bankmanager (And yes it's not fair I can type URLs) If you include a thermal sensor hooked to the alternator case and your alternator regulator you should be fine with BBMS protection. The biggest threat to alternators is diode death caused by BMS shutdown. The BBMS approach protects from that.
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
What the BBMS does in a nutshell is make sure that nothing can overcharge the lithium while allowing your lead to fully charge. It does this without you having to change any of your current charging system.
@coachgeo 2 жыл бұрын
look forward to reading the manual. Thought I understood from your videos that having something like SLA's in the mix..... helped protect the alternator. Just what am looking for PS yeah.... I put your email address I sent too in the axed message. MSN said it was a bad address. Just thought you would want to know
@coachgeo 2 жыл бұрын
@@EmilyAndClark my current system does not exist yet, besides what is OEM on the truck..... unless that is what you mean by "current system". Presently dont have any lithium batts or chargers or solar chargers. YET... got ten 100 watt panels though lol. Will read the manual.
@EmilyAndClark 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I'd like to know where we list a bad address. Where please? So I can fix it.
@TRAINSUP1 2 жыл бұрын
👉🚐👍Going to have to watch a number of times.
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