"Time magazine is just buzzfeed but they're not admitting it" may be the saddest truth I've heard in years

"The first 80% of software development is the easy part. The hard part is the next 80%."

4:44 As the person who did register the smiley face account, I apologise

"I'm reasonably certain in the security of the stuff we're storing..." *[raucous laughter from audience of hackers]*

-Hi, I'm Matt -And I'm Tom And there's me expecting a park bench.

10:33 it takes tom less than 1/2 of a second to go from calm chill dude to panic mode his abilities are too evolved

I was going to argue with "no browser supports emojis" but then I looked at the upload date.

The wails of "NOOOO!!!" when Tom said Emojili was in PHP were incredible. Those were some horrified nerds.

Should have programmed it in emojis

Sometimes I wonder if Tom just has 20 identical red shirts in his closet.

Tom: "You have to list on your Data Protection Act submission the possible things you might be storing about people... and it includes details about people's sexuality. And I went "Well no, obviously not, that's not, Emoji-" There's a two men holding hands Emoji that you could use- oh for god's sake..." Guy: "Sorry!" Tom: "Thank you, Tom! What's your username Tom?" Guy: "™️👬" I lost it

At my company, we got so tired of Apples push notifications that we ended up using a third party service for a customer project.

Tom: “Eye-oss” Me: “Eye-oh-ess”

5 years later Tom Scott manged to monetise the app, by making a KZfaq series on "How To Build An App".

"tom was doing the front end, i was doing to back end" well done, now this video needs an age restriction

Tom, I had a dream last night that I met you somewhere, and you weren't wearing a red t-shirt. I was really upset about that.

"Are we going to do anything?" "No." *high five*

I love that this talk is just 30 minutes of Tom being pissed

Someone on r/conlang made a functional emoji language with grammar and vocabulary

Matt was years ahead of the competition in using web languages for an app. Now web apps are all the rage now and are everywhere now

"There’s a messaging app worse than Yo"

Mysql, PHP, cordova, encoding and apple certificate hell. Those guys literally described my job.

This is one of THOSE type of stories. The best ones where you're basically recounting a long sequence of things being done absolutely as wrong as they could be, yet somehow nobody died, and even though you were the people responsible for most of the horror you still don't understand how it worked. Sort of like my brother's old stories of D&D GM'ing with a bunch of mates who were really, really bad at D&D and totally disinterested in playing the game properly...

You always do the best talks and the dynamics of a co-hosted talk like this were lovely. I want to watch more co-hosted talks now.

I think that goes not only for apps, but any type of software. Just because you have the technical skills to do something (sometimes not even that) and you think it would be cool, doesn't mean you have the skills to go through with it all the way to the end. Building software for the public involves a lot of legal aspects (like all that data security stuff) as well as social ones (troubleshooting, moderating, meetings with stakeholders etc.) that most developers just don't like to do.

Aw I see the site has been shut down (sad face) (aubergine)

So many of Tom's videos are just about why you shouldn't do anything basically. I love it.

For any Americans watching, Wolfram Alpha says that in 2014, 35 GBP (Great British Pounds) was roughly $60. I probably would have the same reaction he did if it was thirty-five *_dollars_*. But paying $60 for a joke? That takes some dedication. Not to mention the money for the other stuff, but that's the only number we actually heard, I think.

Basically if they had waited a couple more years for emojis to be widely supported, it would have been way easier to make.

You guys are brill, hilarious, and I always feel like there should be three compliments in a list of compliments. Two seems weird.

I love the way you guys talk. Great lecture and, indeed, some solid arguments against building an app.

Went and looked at the website, which still has the terms and conditions and privacy policy available, and y’all definitely did a smart thing when you added the Service Suspension clause to the TaC

For the ten year anniversary you should release it, but when you try to sign up it says the email must be emoji, and when you type in emojis it says it must be a valid email

I don't know anything about developing anything, but this was really entertaining.

Idea for your next app: consonant-only (or vowel-only) messenger.

I may or may not have made an account called ©⛎🎣➕↩️📧💲➕®🅾🌱📧® I regret nothing

This was 4 years ago. I feel like it was yesterday. This is frightening.

these are exactly the kinds of talks i like seeing! [nudges tom] More talks...

This video perfectly sums up why despite all it's privacy intrusion, government surveillance and general shittyness I still love the internet. Should Tom Scott ever see this: This is one of the most gloriously insane things I have ever seen. I absolutely love your work and please never stop.

When Tom said "MySQL and Unicode" I cringed

well done guys ! Loved your talk !

"there's a library for doing that in JavaScript"

8:54 Windows phone seems to support emoji just fine in browser and in SMS. I'm not sure if it supports the full standard, but it's baked into the keyboard, and I have yet to see a rectangle where an emoji should be.

''Tom was doing the back end, I was doing the front end'' If you try really hard, that sounds really wrong.

An unicode-only service in PHP?

Have you noticed, the colour of the microphone colourcoding it fitting with the tshirts :D

I just realized that this is going to be 10 years ago and just a couple more years. Damn.

so emojli is like a crappy goldfish you won at the fair.

"Finally - we found something worse than yo" had me literally laugh aloud

Feels so weird now that this was just 8 years ago. Today everything does emoji and there are multiple open fonts.

Damn, I just found out about that now. Were the passwords in emoji too? :D

TOm was doing the back end, I was doing the front end.

i love it when a plan....runs out of control and gets you in a big bad mess where you can laugh about telling it to others at some point.... great story !

emoji has about 0 - 10% support depending on the site

is the red shirt your "thing"?

"In fact I can modify the question slightly: Are we gonna do anything?" "No" *victory high five*

"Welcome to 2014" oh jesus what have i gotten into

Another problem with unicode emojis is that different fonts and systems have different pictures. A pistol can face left on one phone, and right on another. This can completely change the meaning of whatever you're trying to say involving a gun.

RIP Emojli.

This is a play by play of how it would look if I’d ever launched an app, except with a bit more competence than I’d be able to muster. Nice alternate timeline to watch A+

You've already told us that anything with emoji in the title generates way more clicks than usual. I'm not falling for that! Oh, wait...

Loved this video. Thanks for the insight

the 'welcome to 2014' was crazy

The difficulties of conversing in emoji with strangers are fascinating to me. I play Magic: The Gathering which is a game with a fairly well designed rule structure , this means it can be played perfectly well without any common language right up to the point where there is any disagreement at which point it is far too complicated to resolve.

I can just see the snowball rolling down the hill as this story progresses.

wait wait wait- "partly in the lounge, partly in his tent" _my dirty mind is totally not reading too much into that_

They correctly observed in 2014 that the world was in an App bubble. The sad thing about that is, that this bubble is still blowing up and hasn't burst yet

Great talk *****! Do you guys have any ideas on how to monetize?

I forgot what password I used when I registered my username so I just tried to "Reset Forgotten Password": Reset Password Error An unknown error occurred. Please try again

I want to see this emoji only interview.

You, sirs, are awesome in your honesty. I hope Emojli will become something you can live with and enjoy.

I'm surprised nobody used regional indicators, it's a thing done commonly on Discord for its reaction thing.

So, did you try to sell it? If so many people thought this was a great idea that they were willing to invest, it sounds like you might have been able to sell it. As long as you let everyone know and gave them a chance to delete their account, there would be no ethical problems. (I'd understand if no one was willing to pay you enough, though--since you say people weren't using it.) Also, BTW, what was that thing you used to help you handle emoji in PHP/MySQL? I couldn't make it out.

23:17 You do not want to break the code of conduct, also abbreviated as a CoC?

When php is done right it isn't that bad. Did you not use mvc with object oriented programming tom?

I know nothing about code and yet still I am enthralled

"what's your username?" "trademark, two men holding hands." [raucous applause and cheering]

You should have coded that they get a message on the screen if their preferred username is already taken, then you could have avoided hundreds of emails

I don't think that you shouldn't build an app, just don't make an app for apple products.

Do you have support for the Unicode block starting at 1F650? Some of the people I want to talk to belong in this block.

watching this in 2021, 2014 feels ancient

Alright, so I'm not gonna make that one app I planned to make. Screw that. On an unrelated note, you guys are actually amazing.

The "no under 18" sign: 🔞, is technically wrong, if you follow the traffic rules used in Europe and other places in the world. That is a prohibition sign. A round sign with a red border, with an optional diagonal red line. There are two types of prohibition signs: - Showing a thing or action you can't do: 🚭🚯🚳🚷📵 Past this sign, you simply can't do that, like: smoking, littering, using a bicycle, access for pedestrians, using a phone. - Showing a number, or a number related to a thing. Past this sign, you can only be up to that number and not exceed it. The common is just a number, meaning maximum speed. A number plus a unit of weight, meaning maximum weight. A number and for example the length of a vehicle, meaning maximum length. So this sign: 🔞, it either means a maximum speed of 18, in whatever unit the country is using. ...or, since it's about age, maximum age allowed. There's a second sign that tells you what you _have_ to do past it. It's a blue round sign with a white border and white symbol. If these where blue and white instead: 🚭🚯🚳🚷📵, then that would mean: smoking mandatory; littering mandatory; path only meant for bikes; path only meant for pedestrians; phone usage mandatory. If there's a number, then that means you need to be at least that number. So just a number is usually about speed, so that's the minimum speed. Number plus unit of weight is minimum weight, and so on. So a minimum of 18 years of age is a blue round sign, white borders, white text that says "18 years".

In case anyone is wondering those Samson r21s microphones

This... was epic win. I have never laughed so much over something so silly. Good work guys! xD

Good stuff guys

After almost 3 years, this video is still awesome.

I generally am not sure why, what is the issue with MySQL and Unicode?

Hmm... This is the sort of thing I'd actually use, I wonder what it'd take to re-create it.

"Huh, I wonder if emojli is still available..." "OHMYGOD YES IT IS" "The reviews are so low, what happened?" "Oh, it's broken... Who's Alan Hardman?"

What about black berry ? :(

actually android's push message is so simple to integrate in both front and back end, it made me doubt myself (with google messaging service). also you can use custom layouts for notifications (which ios lacks). this was the only part that i found enjoyable while developing for android, as everything else is too cumbersome or lacks good documentation, code examples, etc. ios has a much better development environment.

Not a bad idea, can you add in dramatic pauses to the messenger...hang on I take it beck...that would just be me not doing anything....but it would still be nice to have an icon lol

Only people of similar interests and understand the same references could possibly understand each other when sending emojis to each other. Anyone outside of that group would be sorely confused. And this ends up being the real world example of Star Trek's "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra".

With the other app using emojli as well, don't they break trademark/copyright?

🆒🅱🅾🅾🅱5⃣ 🅰RE 🆗

tom was doing the back end, i was doing the front end. XD. i am so childish.

Really interesting video to watch!

Open sourcing is the ideal solution for this problem.

This is the greatest story ever