Excuse me? Have no clue lad I’ve done security for 8 years in London and now on the trains going this exact job 5 days a week for half a year, you are a trampoline on the doll, who’s the ponce? Probably you on the train we have to throw off init 😅😅😅😅 tramp.

It's would have, not of.

@@davidcameron7597 sorry Sir …

Me as well

@@bigmamma5520 Okay. Don't do it again.

I know Merseyrail absolutely shit if aren’t able to buy a ticket at there staffed station, they expect you to pay the penalty fare and new ticket and then contest it in court, but the courts see it as you have paid the fine to admit your in the wrong and very rare allow the appeal, had similar incidents myself with them goons, luckily being a black male they back off when say “look at my skin colour” they just let you buy a ticket and be on your way

The byelaws are really clear and they have every right to lay hands on people to remove people from rail premesis who are travelling without a valid ticket. Railways aren't street corners, railway staff, British Transport Police and Enforcement Officers can enforce railway byelaws.

@@GKSC The traveller provides their name and address details as requested by the officer which is a legal obligation on the person traveling under the byelaws which he refused to do - the only option open to the officer after that is to remove the person from the train. If a penalty fare is issued you then raise the defence that the ticket office was closed. You don't refuse to provide details to the ticket officer, the obligation is on you to provide them, that is your legal duty in law.

@@B-26354 Don't talk rubbish man. Are you the clown in the video, by the way? There are many ways of dealing with non-payment. The first should be the offer to sell the man the ticket required, there and then. If he refuses, then, the threat of being issued a penalty should be discussed. If the passenger still refuses and makes no effort to offer something in the way of payment, only then should the threat of removal from the train be used. As for following him onto the platform and further ejecting him from the station, that was pure ego and nothing else. He wanted to use his uniform to go hands-on and get away with it. He's a little punk rat in a uniform that's far too big for his puny frame. He'll find himself taking an unexpected walk back to the nearest station after falling off a train if he carries on with that attitude..

@@B-26354 no byelaw says they (the enforcement officers) can go hands on for being ticketless... Listen to his colleague in my latest video. You were wrong.

Modern day highway robbery.

@Stanly Stud too short to be a PCSO!!!!!

@@jpe115 As a representative of the 5'6 male community I would just like to say this man is not a representative of all of midgets community. We reject any association to such types.

Why for doing his job, sick of fare dodging pricks.

@stanlystud1241 what, from a guy who calls himself stanlystud 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you my friend stands out more as a 🛎 end

@stanlystud1241 Stanley stud🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I've had harder💩s

Jeez.... £500 fine?.. You could buy them a chair for that.

Why should they?

@@Bluebottle-hw1be lol. Those cited cases have zero to do with this. I’m happy to listen to any views, but don’t make up nonsense, please.

@@Bluebottle-hw1be but I'm afraid you're wrong. There are a lot if instances where fines can be levied without a Judge. Parking tickets, of instance. It's ok, you're welcome.

@@Bluebottle-hw1be something isn't flawed just because you don't like it. There are plenty of criminal fines, many linked to motor offences, that do not require a judge or jury. You are simply wrong.

​@@Bluebottle-hw1be US or UK?

😆 I’ve got loads of friends thanks though

I bet you’re not saying that when a singular BTP officer rocks up are you hey

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It's almost as if the internet exists where you can buy your ticket online...Or at the self-serve machines...This waste of space is angry he got caught riding for free and had a tantrum. The onus is on YOU, the passenger, to get a ticket before you step on that train. It's not a civil issue it's a criminal issue not having a ticket on a train, he could of just payed the twenty quid fine like a man and faced his responsibilities like any normal adult.

I think you’re the pork pie because he isn’t a copper

Totally incorrect. The byelaws grant any railway staff the right to remove people using force under the byelaws. If you don't know, don't comment.

@@B-26354 wrong. They are not law enforcement and do not have the same powers as the vermin police. Plus everyone has the god given right to defend themselves from harm. So I think you need to brush up on your facts. As my brother in-law works on the trains and he has no powers to go hand's on. They have to wait for the police to arrive and trespass them. So think b4 you comment.

@@cliffbutler9820 I think you need to brush up on your facts cliff. The guards are authorised persons under the railway byelaws - they're actually written into the law, they have the same ability to enforce them as constables who are also written into the law - railway companies are their own prosecuting agencies aswell Your brother is wrong, they have specific power to use "reasonable force" to remove people from the railway - your cleaner brother who happens to sweep railway platforms clearly has no understanding of the actual legislation in place on the railways. If you don't know something Cliff why just make it up? Go research it yourself.

@@B-26354 again you are wrong. If these jobs worth go hand's on the citizen Has the right to defend themselves from harm. They need to call the police to have them removed. They are not law enforcement. I don't know where you got your bull from. But your wrong. I think you need to stop looking on KZfaq for your bull.

@@B-26354 what amazes me is idiots like you actually think public employees have the rights to assault and manhandle another human. There is not a law in this land that gives anyone the right to put hands on anyone just because they think they can. But it is a god given right to defend yourself if you are being man handled by a public servant that is not a police officer. Not even p.c.s.o can go hand's on or security. They are there to observe and report. You need to stop licking boots and start realizing we don't have masters that can abuse and assault citizens. Until you do that your be a slave to their egos. Grow a pair.

Eh!!?? Are you clueless? 🤣🤣Where does it say they’re police on their uniform!? It’s only a tactical high viz. it’s what 99% of security wear now for protection and to use a body camera.

They aren’t, they are wearing a stab proof or tac vest so they are easily identified in public places (like a train station) are wearing SIA (security industry authority) licenses on their arms which a police officer wouldn’t ever wear and they help keep the stations safe. They aren’t dressed like police because they aren’t police at all

I thought the same thing he was getting very upset for no reason. I don’t think he’s cut out for that type of job.

Let's say he was doing is job and unlike you people I'd say keep your mouths shut and don't be a Karen when you get threatened do the right thing and buy a ticket 😉

Does it make a difference? If you’ve been asked to leave by one of these licensed security members you MUST leave unless you want to be breaching the law, it is a criminal offence to trespass.

Nothing to do with justice, just company policy

You are a Wally, if you’ve done something to warrant being asked to leave by one of these guys then you PROBABLY should leave you twit.

I’m pretty sure protesters try that and still get carried off, the police will just grab you by the armpits and drag ya.

That sounds absolutely pathetic, does the toddler tactic work on tv license bailiffs when they come to your house as well? Sorry, I meant to say, the rented house you're probably illegally squatting in after landlord tried to evict.

But he did attempt to pay

@@PottersVideos2 you believe him?

​@@PottersVideos2travelling on a train without a ticket is theft and costs all of us

Maybe different train companies have different policies. Or they on to a nice little earner lol

@@swiftandbold it's total robbery. Why have a ticket machine with the train guard on the train yet BTP will fine you on the train if you're waiting for the guard to come along to buy a ticket?! Can't have it both ways yet they do. Ticket office shut once and machine on station out of order and they were dishing out fines at the next stations!! Scumbags.

He’s not a cop.

You can't defend yourself from a lawful action stipulate in statute such as lawful removal from a train or station under byelaws. The law is written out, signed off by the transport secretary and published, railway staff including security officers have a duty in law to remove passengers who do not pay - if you assaulted an "authorised person" on the railway you are committing assault against them. Understand the law before trying to quote it.

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Limp one at that. Big egos small peepees that's what they are. They deserve some good sense drumming into them abusive bellends

Actually no, private enforcement of a buy before you ride mersey rail policy. Not there to sell tickets or be of any use to anybody, besides policy enforcement.

You obviously don’t know the law I’m the UK! Get yourself on the SIA website and find out what security officers can do. And security or bouncers are aloud to be physical if somebody refuse to leave etc there’s tons of morons like you on here saying the same! 😂 it’s hilarious because morons like you and so many others soon get a shock when they find out security can be physical as it’s part of the SIA training 👌 dopey 🙄🤣

Unfortunately they do

Rob jones is that true? They are not warranted officers so cannot physically touch him, section 24a is only if a law has been broken, none payment is a civil issue is it not? I honestly don't know 100% but if he touched me like that I would use self defence and better him

@@donmacrae3855 Yep, because once they have told him to get off the property he’s then a trespasser which means after attempting to persuade, ask and warn him to move on, they can then use reasonable force to remove him just like me and you have the exact same rights to do if someone trespassed on our property, in addition I’m sure there could possibly be railway bylaws giving them powers but I can’t be 100% on that aspect.

@Rob Jones I think your spot on there mate thanks👍 And I was thinking the same, the railways have lots of little bylaws in place.

They're empowered under the railway byelaws and are classed as "authorised persons" - byelaws can grant members of a workforce, police and PCSOs with additional powers for certain areas not found under general statute, such as a power to use reasonable force to remove someone from a train or property. Byelaws are crucially criminally enforceable via magistrates court and are not civil pieces of law. If you don't know what you're talking about and all that... Why comment?

No it's called two jobsworths

By letter of law maybe.

I know

Love your name.. My hero was bob. The lad been taken off trains now. Think my friend who it happened to is happy with that.

@@swiftandbold that's brilliant news little jobs worth.. Well done kidda x

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No not for camera.. For the principle.

Yeah right, you would do NOTHING.

@stanlystud1241 you Could do nothing.

Why not just sell the guy a ticket instead off trying to rob him?

You mean the secuirty guard that broke the rules about when you can buy tickets? That removed him without reasonable suspicion of breaking other bylaws?

You can't demand payment for something on private property you are a guest on. A train guard is not a public servant, they are a private employee of a limited railway company. The mindset of people is utterly bizarre. A basic cornerstone of common law is that you cannot impose yourself on anothers property.

Not going to argue with who was right or wrong in this case as far too little info ie no evidence if he did try to buy a ticket and nobody there. But train fare dodgers are not the reason why they are so high. The reason is greedy companies greedy share holders and those owned by foreign ie other European services using us as cash cows to keep their fares cheaper.

They treat you like this?

Yh he couldnt buy a ticket at station. And these wouldnt sell him one on train, or allow him to buy at destination. Only two options, were to pay a fine or leave train.

@@swiftandbold ah high way robbery

He gave reasons why he hadn't paid. Not sure he did, but if you offer full payment and they refuse it's on them

Or he could be… Lying?

@@LOP2863 If you offer full payment then that's the end of the matter

@@iandavies6575 it really isn’t…

@@iandavies6575 It doesn't matter. The byelaws are clearly written, he should have had a ticket before boarding a train. The security were very professional.

The lad doesn't want to sue them. His decision.

Boot licker

And what are the "byelaws"???? forelock tugger.

@@paolobenmore3504 So there is this website called "Google" right? It's been around for like 25 years, you go to it and then you type in "Railway Byelaws UK" and the first link that appears actually takes you to the byelaws AND explains what they actually are. Isn't the modern world great???? ignoramus.

no they have the right to remove people with reasonable suspicon they that are breaking the bylaws. Beleive it or not it's perfectly legal to travel ticketless if there is no option to buy a ticket at the start of the journey.

@chrisstreet6827 You're the classic example of a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. You can only use that defence if the ticket machine was out of order or ticket office was closed. You'd still need to identify yourself under the byelaws as failing to produce a ticket under Byelaw 18 is enough basis to form reasonable suspicion for an officer. You'd be entitled to use the defence if the matter went to court but you don't have a blanket defence of "I couldn't get a ticket at the start of my journey" unless a ticket machine was out of order or ticket office was closed - missing your train because you were queuing to buy a ticket isn't a reasonable excuse - it's also a specific offence not to provide your details under the byelaws. You buy before you travel.

​@B-26354 well said that why I pay my 94 quid pass because of people like him and for a officer to do his job to feel intimidated even when he did follow the procedure the officer for which I know who follows everything by the book I'd suggest you start paying before you bunk mate

Even if all you say was the case, which it weren't. You think this is acceptable behaviour in any situation?.. Would they have acted the same if it was a old lady or a child?? Or young lady travelling alone at nighttime?.. Stupid policy stupid employees.

OK so let's dissect this one piece at a time. What station were you travelling from and what day/time were you travelling?

@@timothyduggan2263 was me mate, think he got on at strand and booted off at Crosby on 20th July.

@@swiftandbold I think it's acceptable yeah. You had plenty of chances to leave, you wanted to argue and play the victim, you went up against some guards who knew their powers in law and acted extremely professionally. The vast majority of society is sick and tired of victim narrative people chancing their luck and getting away with it everytime.

@@GKSC Reasonable suspicion is enough to enforce a byelaw. We don't live in a society where every crime has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt in order for police or enforcement officials to do something, that would be unworkable.

Can't buy a ticket when ther is nobody at the ticket sales desk, and your train has arrived.

So no ticket machine at the station either? You can pre purchase them or buy online...

@@tonyb1223 no machine at station. This situation happened very soon after he boarded train, did not get given the option or time to possibly buy one online.

@@swiftandbold but surely they knew they were going to get the train in advance, it takes literally 2 minutes to buy an e-ticket on line on your phone, it does make you think that even with poor planning, they could have done better and it doesn't seem to be late enough for it to be the last train.

@@tonyb1223 yh he knew he was travelling by train. But he did not expect ther to be nobody there at ticket office. Not everybody is able or can afford data to use the Internet as means to buy a ticket. I get your point though that majority of society are able to do this. But ther will always be exceptions, and this was not acceptable behaviour by so called professionals. Both could of ended up under moving train. Hardly worth losing your life over £3.

Kind of is, what if you have a hospital appointment or a job interview but because someone's not at their post you could miss it?

@@jakistuart If its that important then book ahead on line. simple

Dick how are you doing 🤔

@@jakistuart Use the ticket machine. Let's be real here, the bloke was lying through his front teeth, chancing his arm for a free ride.

Strange that his employer removed him off the trains then, seen as he such a credit to them.

@@swiftandbold he is just you soft fktards think life is free n u can skip paying for thing's

@@swiftandbold You stated you weren't the person in the video, how do you know that happened or are you just making it up as you go along?

@@swiftandbold I know him, he changed jobs for a different reason actually.