I can see this being done for semi-auto pistols. But I am not sure that would gain much. The thing that makes this technology of value is turning a joke full auto gun into a usable full auto gun.

Agreed, I'm not actually that interested in guns, but the engineering is interesting, and the engineering of these workaround the law type gun adaptations are even more interesting than normal.

@@foldionepapyrus3441 I think more than anything they're fascinating as reflections of our culture and the time we live in. The engineering is very interesting too but in many ways these are just like really weird things

I would also say things like binary triggers and forced reset are as well. All items that only exist due to laws

@@MrSolLeks those cursed ar15 pistols that are like really heavily skeletonized too. Also nice avi lmao did you see there's a new one in the works

with a big can on the front and a decent stock M10s can still be practical...... that said I love my Lage Max31

@@beltfedTODDRULZ I have an SWD 9mm. They zytel mags a garbage but with converted pam-2 mags it runs great. Bone stock I can keep a mag dump on a silhouette at 10yrd. Not amazing but it is fun.

@@onebladeprop , I got a M10/9 Fat Mac and i have a STEN mag housing/ grip with a big steel paddle release and bought a good pile of mags. Runs great but i wanted a slow rate of fire and a Red dot and Lage delivers that

The one use case I've heard of that actually makes sense is close quarters assassination. So, yeah - essentially useless.

@@AJoe-ze6go back in the good ole days they offered an "Operational Breifcase" where the subgun and can were disguised in a breifcase with a lever hooked to the trigger for executive protection etc...

Every AR guy knows this struggle

Having springs from rare, priceless guns shoot accross the room must be the most nerve racking part about Ian's job.

He knows. He's admitted a few times to doing it off camera and putting it partially back together in a way so it won't shoot across the room for the recorded disassembly

"Sproing"

The noise of buying a new spring, or buying a new assembly if there’s any little plastic bits in the spring assembly 🙃

I hope it cycles well

@@106640guy 🤣

@@106640guy ba dum tiss

With ambidextrous cranks

I love that, while exaggerated in Naked Gun, such crazy conversions for guns exist. Its such a video game thing to do except its real life. Its part of why the VP70 was put in Resident Evil 2 back in 1998, and a lot of gamers were surprised to later learn the stock attachment that turns it into a burst fire gun was real and not just made up.

If only the officers at the ATF were half as skilled as OJ Simpson.

I shall henceforth be known as The Stealer of Expressions of Shop Teachers of Random KZfaq Commenters :P

Brilliant! Gotta steal that one...

Laziness is the new god of invention.

It's funny because it's true

Basically, yes.

There was a video out of Brazil I think about 6 months ago where a drive by levels a group of rival gang members in a second or 2 with one of these types of crazy high rate of fire guns. They do have their purpose albeit limited.

A former boss of mine, who was former Army, said it was good for "sweeping crunchies off the tanks".

@generikuser so eloquently stated

In the UK years ago (2003), some "Gang members" got hold of a few MAC-10's and machine gunned a new years Eve party. They found a couple of the guns, the reward for the remaining ones are still active I think.. just pray and spray... and kill

@@blackcountryme and there was the victims, left with nothing to meet the threat with but pleading and prayer.

Beat me to it :) The ammo counter worked too! The shroud and “grenade launcher” heat cage looked really close to the hero pulse rifle. I didn’t like the grip…IMHO if he could have made the grip/lower look more like the Thompson lower receiver that wild have been amazing! It was cool how he used the coffin mags with pulse rifle mag bases for his pulse rifle build! One thing I am curious about as how they made the grenade launcher cage aka spas 12 heat cage. That’s always the hardest component to find when building a Pulse rifle.

@@crazyhorsemusx7767 I’d forgotten about the ammo counter!

Your wife operates my pulse rifle when you're not home

For those that haven't seen it: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jrppY7yrta_Mhnk.html

@@WrathOfTheGoth thank you!

Lollll for real. Good eye. 👍

@@joevalle2630 it's a standard comment on 69.420% of Ian's videos

@@alexm566 yeah but this is THEE gun to draw when ur really trying to draw a M16/m4 /AR

There likely wasn't enough space in the receiver for guide rods and a bushing for them, the bolt also needed to keep the necessary mass to make the action smooth without the longer spring and buffer of the AR-15 system

ATF requires the recoil spring to work off of the lower receiver like the original upper. If he designed it differently it probably would have been denied for legal production.

@@sodneymvlin7715 false. The fire control group and registered receiver are all that matter. ATF couldn't deny them. As an engineer my best guess is that this is more simple and reliable. Plus the 15 has better recognition.

@@CaptainGrief66 There couldve been space if Lage designed it differently. They seem to have designed an upper than can both fit the Mac lower AND AR15 BCG

@@EnthalpyAndEntropy that's not necessarily true. If they say the upper is also a firearm, then they won't allow it to be used on a transferable lower. Examples are: BRP XMG upper, RPD belt fed for MACs, m249 clones that take HK trigger groups. All of these are examples where the ATF said not. There are more examples but these are some easy ones to find.

i agree, i think it would be a good topic for a future book

Hell, one could make a book on California-compliant designs alone. Throw in the various gadgets that sprang up from them. (i.e. the AR stripper clips for cali AR's)

'From Loophole to Workaround'

Boston T. Party's Gun Bible was a book on loopholes in the Assault Weapons Ban. Interesting read.

I wish we could get more sensible gun laws. We have two political camps, one who wants no restrictions whatsoever and one who wants as many restrictions as possible, and whoever currently has the advantage will pass as much stuff as they possibly can. The end result is that we have gun laws that are both way too permissive in some ways while also having bizarre nonsensical restrictions on stuff that doesn't matter.

Everybody under 35: WTF is a phone booth???

Your first challenge today, much like Superman, is finding a phone booth.

​@@ekscalybur i just turned 17 today, i have known what a phone booth is for like forever Not every younger person is an ignorant idiot

@@strelnagaming Why would someone born decades after phone booths disappeared be an idiot for not knowing what they are?

@@ekscalybur there is a trend of older people associating the younger generation as being stupid and ignorant And also a trend for many people in my generation to follow that stereotype, unfortunately At least thats how it appears online, most of the people i know, while definitely partaking in some of the weirder things of gen z, are fairly intelligent and have a good understanding of the world Although i do live in rural Alaska, where older technology is still fairly prevalent, and i grew up on old television shows and movies

Not many around anymore. It's sad, there were thousands in the mix 5-10 years ago. And those few that are available, go up in value thousands of $ every year🤦‍♂️

Apparently not going to render Hughes null and void from what I've read and been informed of. Hughes must go in its entirety at the very least.

@@anionleader if the NFA is gone, there is no registry. Hughes is void because the thing it references no longer exists.

@@sheldoniusRex At face value yes, that should be the direct outcome but apparently not the case, because the wording is a blanket, even if the registry didn't exist, because even in the theoretical future where the NFA is gone but Hughes still stays, even if your civvie legal say, select fire MP7A2 should transfer and sell like a prior Title One gun, it can't be because Hughes still stands and it says "no new machine guns past May 1986, NO IFS OR BUTS".

@@anionleader What you've read is correct but incomplete in that it won't be voided but it does become a pointless section of law. The Hughes Amendment only closes the machine gun registry to new machine guns being registered after May 1986. The NFA requires you to register a machine gun onto the registry. If there's no requirement to register machine guns then the Hughes amendment might still exist but it doesn't matter at that point.

@@anionleader that isn't actually the wording, though.

It'd be cool if they offered the colonial marine configuration.

@@scottflickinger4186 Would cost a pretty penny, but yeah that would be amazing hah

Mac 11 doesn't exist

@@commoncriminal923 Of course it does

@@commoncriminal923 Tell gun Jesus that!

@@konstantinseliadtsou9869 no its the m11

@@mikehipperson with pleasure, he's already clarified himself.

People keep saying that the original mac10 style machine pistols were worthless. Seeing as they bring endless joy to anyone who shoots one, I’m not seeing the problem.

@@10mmlover but to be fair. low bar

now it's an actual gun, and not just a pocket full of ASDUHFASEDJFBKL,;lasIDKM ,

@@theme7363 isn't it supposed to be a criminal weapon shooting at point blank? You can't miss these if it doesn't jam.

The nice part is that you could easily convert back to the original in under a minute. (at least, the version without the buffer tube)

@@jarink1 Uh, you can convert the sproingy version into a Mac 10 in under a minute... but going the other way might involve locating the spring somewhere three counties over...

I was thinking the exact same thing. I'm assuming that the reason why Lage didn't go this route was because there wasn't a ready supply of relatively inexpensive AR-18 parts that could be used when the project started. Perhaps with the Brownells BRN-180 being a thing now, maybe there will be a Max11/18 in the future.

@@peteranderson037 a new gas key with the guides for the rods and springs on the side would have been relatively simple too. Was thinking about it more after I posted. Now I want to try making one because I don't think I've seen it on the other iterations of receiver extension spring elimination setups.

I'm sure there is a reason Lage did it the way he did it. I'm no engineer, so I'm just gonna go along with his design.

@@scottflickinger4186 It might be as simple as patent rights.

@@FurnishedIgloo "Worthless" in the sense of practicality and application. These guns only cost a couple hundred dollars when they were sold pre-1986. You ever shoot a MAC10/M11? I have, and they're comically impractical. You have a tiny machinepistol with no front grip and it's spitting out bullets at 1000+ rpm; wildly uncontrollable. The only time it had any practical use was when it had that giant suppressor/handguard made for it, as seen in various 80s and 90s movies. People even during the guns' production critizied it for not having any real use.

@@FurnishedIgloo A MAC Machine Pistol has such a high rate of fire it's practically near uncontrollable. That's part of the reason I consider the Glock 18 as a worthless POS. At least this is making the MAC series usable.

@@WastelandWanderer1216 I disagree..at close quarters it's lethal for sure to anyone you point it at. 1200 rounds per minute at less than 10 yards will certainly kill some people in a small space if not force them to move to avoid being hit. Cqb is where it's uses end.

I don't think Ian is saying they were worthless before this particular conversion. He is saying that Lage is responsible for products that have made them useful, referring to PREVIOUS uppers and parts as well. I happen to have M11s and don't completely agree, nor disagree. The type of guns ARE NOT great stock, but there was an aftermarket before Lage. I don't think the RPM alone makes them completely useless and I found them plenty accurate at typical indoor ranges if I used a red dot(surprisingly). That said, I do mainly shoot them with a Lage slow fire upper or tungsten bolts these days and Lage does make great products, with great customer support.

@@Aliyah_666 That and the G18 is fundamentally a superior weapon in very many aspects. The fact that it fits in a standard holster and is actually a quality firearm puts it leagues ahead of the MAC weapons, which were awkward and difficult to use.

Completely bizarre that the original barrel and bolt don't need to be registered. As you say it's totally arbitrary and nonsensical.

Yeah it is mad. But then on the other hand putting a foregrip on a „pistol“ can get you jailed. And all that talk about „Arm-Braces“. Writing this from Germany I can only asume your pro and anti gun people are so deeply divided that any sense or reason has been lost in the laws. I mean as pro gun as you might be - ruling „the lower“ the controlled part does not help anyone.

As someone from outside the US, these machine gun receiver laws seem so comically odd. Another perspective being that they seem like laws designed to give the appearance to Joe Public of a ban that is more effective than the reality, if you're in the know. Maybe lawmakers just didn't foresee the level of innovation the industry would employ down the line.

@@garrybayford5734 Barrels and bolts wear out, that's a main reason why the "controlled part" is the firearm receiver.

They are may stupid but i think they made interesting. Look cursed but interesting

But the "machineguns" are all registered, so if someone uses one for a crime, they can easily be caught! Unless the gun was just illegally modified or brought in from Mexico, of course, but it's not like criminals would ever do those things, right? /sarc Technically it's the Firearm Owner's Protection Act of 1986 that made machineguns scarce, but that was an amendment to the Gun Control Act of 1968, which was an amendment to the NFA, so the NFA is still the root problem.

@@Bacteriophagebs you forgot 3D printers and cnc mills.

You are missing the wood for the trees. No matter how you rework the lowers, the pool of the guns stays the same. In fact, it's slowly decreasing as there's inevitable attrition. The point is to stop making US' gun problem worse than it already is. A small number of people might make some illegal new ones, but it'll be a tiny number compared to what would happen if anyone could just pop into Walmart to pick an auto up. The system works, the complicated approval system is a sop to the gun fanboys - otherwise it would be more efficient to just ban any modifications.

@@Makingnewnamesisdumb That was the case before 1986.

@@lucidnonsense942 machine guns were the least common type of firearm used in crime before the NFA, and they're the least common type used now. The NFA was passed because of racism, it was passed because black people had the audacity to demand equality through the same armed marches white people were doing. It's also because of the black Panthers doing copwatches as a more proactive response to police brutality . Look up the Mulford act.

Ian's good for that. Not that most guns are difficult to conceptualize, at least not simple blowback subguns like this, but he demonstrates a mastery of firearms that's above most self-professed experts here (and indeed well above many official, academically and/or government accredited so-called "experts", whom I won't name). As someone or other wise once said, "You never truly understand anything until you can explain it to a five year old". I don't know about that, but I have seen 8 year olds watch some of his other videos on more complex arms and grasp the concept afterwards. That's half the reason he's been as successful as he is. That and the fact he's down to earth, no-nonsense, no-BS, no 5-minute long intros, no begging for us to SMASH THAT LIKE BUTTON AND SUBSCRIBE!!!!!!!111, no content padding, and none of that godawful, phony, aggressively friendly bro "personality" that most "content creators" have adopted, along with jump-cuts every 2 seconds, because they must appeal to kids with the attention span of goldfish. Nor does he bring in politics or any other crap. I don't mean to asskiss at all by the way, just that a person who is actually intelligent, knowledgeable in his field, and down to earth without the phony personality or pandering for views is quite the rare thing these days.

Since it takes AR-15 barrels, I'd be tempted to rebarrel it in .224 Valkyrie just for the lolz. Firing a round designed for ultra-long-range precision shooting from a full-auto, open-bolt gun would be pretty amusing.

@@ericokurowski wild

Yeah but they won’t last long because of the weak strength of the rear plastic plate that’s usually welded steel. What’s really special about the internal recoil version of this, is that it has its own steel plate on the back which gives wonderful reinforcement to that usually weak rear.

@TheNandor I haven't looked into the material/strengths available but you can print 3D in metal.

Genius idea, actually. Of course it would need to be protected so it could not accidentally lock up the gun.

You just use an M11/9 magazine. Lage has that in one of his videos.

@@billstevens5277 True, I found this out later. Still, I think it would be preferable to have all of the parts needed for disassembly on/in the gun. Granted, I know these are range toys, but still.

The only thing that will wake a man from his coffin is when his wife says she'll have to sell his guns for what he told her he paid for them!

There's a reason to be on the "old veterans last move" phone tree...

The A1 version looks okay, but I have to disagree. Something is a little wonky about the distance between the grip and magwell. It's not too bad though, and I still want one of those uppers. The coolest looking one I was was an m11a1 with that upper and a collapsing stock, short barrel. Would like to see a LMG type heavy barrel conversion well.

lol, true

Reminds me of that odd Crosman "AIR-17" pellet gun from the 80s actually, with it's wonky proportions and too-far-forward magazine. You can tell it's supposed to represent an AR-15, but it's not quite right. I always imagine these things to be like guns from other parallel dimensions; Stempel's stuff the same way. In this case perhaps a neighboring world where Stoner's initial design was rejected by Armalite, and Gordon Ingram maybe studied to be an accountant instead of entering the army... I can picture the two of them randomly meeting in a bar in Parallel Earth No. 26, and sketching this thing out on a napkin over a beer or ten. Or, the Lage is like what you might get if you asked a mechanical engineer who had never seen an AR-15 before, to build you one based just on your verbal description of it. Or like, for even more of a tangential stretch, the way cargo cults would make airplanes out of bamboo, vines and leaves: they understood what the plane did and more or less how it looked, but not how it functioned or why. So you'd get this vaguely airplane-looking object that of course would never fly (this gun at least works, and very well, despite its' odd proportions etc). Maybe one day in the far future after WWIII our tribe of gun lovers will worship some approximately AR shaped, metaphysical idol amid the desolate wastelands? Or maybe I've been awake far too long and my mind is free-associating a bunch of crap.

@Shutbyotch Guess you're right, however I'm more about the spirit. If in Europe its like "I want to shoot full-auto, but its illegal, so its just a dream". In the US its more like "I want to shoot full-auto. And I will".

With the Tenko 10-16 you could put on a belt fed upper...but it is in ATF limbo as well

i asked richard about this in 2019, he said he looked into it and wasnt going to pursue it..... never know he could change his mind but dont hold breath

@@BcFuTw9jt I never understood opposition to getting a ruling. It's just a common sense thing to do and it's the ATF that is to blame for the result. not people working within the system.

@@SouthCoastTargets I think he was trying to use M249 parts sets. Engineering a belt feed mechanism would've been cost prohibitive.

@@billstevens5277 i left that part out, yes he was wanting to use 249 top cover and feed but could not source them

My biggest regret is selling my original Colt 601 many years ago. I can't even bring myself to look at what they might go for these days; it was a full kit with 2 waffle mags, bayonet, sling, cleaning kit, bipod, etc. I even had an original 1st gen Colt 4x scope for the carry handle. The Colt SP-1 I have now is about as close as it gets (lacking selectfire), but ugh.... I still miss it. And that switch is kind of the point. What part of "Shall not be infringed" does the government not understand?

I legit did a doubble-take when the big brass chisel came out. you seldom see woodworking tools needed for dis-asambaly

Your actually just supposed to usea standard magazine. I'm not sure why he didn't