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How to Crochet & Sew 1920s Underwear || Historical Halloween

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Engineering Knits

Engineering Knits

Күн бұрын

I'm going to be making a #HistoricalHalloween2020 costume, but first I need the right under garments! This time I'm making 1920s underwear - a step-in chemise or teddy with a crochet yoke!
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@barbaraortiz3001
@barbaraortiz3001 3 жыл бұрын
I'm Hispanic and learned to crochet literally at my grandma's knee she loved to crochet in what we used to call hilo (Thread). When a project was done and it was time to block it. She always said to iron the completed piece with either a white hankie or a thin cotton pillowcase between the iron and the crocheted piece... I hope this tip helps...❤️❤️ P.S. your crocheted piece was lovely.
@seregibernadett2899
@seregibernadett2899 3 жыл бұрын
Lovely work. 🙂 My Grandma taught a trick: if you need to crochet a long row of fillet, you should start with two threads: 1. For the base chain 2. For the first row of squares. By altering between the two threads, it is easier to keep track of the count. In your case I would have made 30 chains on Thread 1, then would have changed to thread 2, and crochet 10 squares. 🙂
@dlpar
@dlpar 3 жыл бұрын
First, may I say what a lovely job you've done! Your filet crochet is beautiful. I'd like to offer a couple of suggestions. Using a foundation single or double crochet to start with is more stretchy and resembling your later crochet and way easier to count. I like your use of bobby pins for counters. Very inventive. Another idea is to make the garment first and then do a blanket stitch at the edge where you want to add the crochet. Then you can crochet into these stitches and make your foundation. This also means you don't have to sew your crochet on after as it's already attached. Thank you for your informative video.
@susanrussell8195
@susanrussell8195 3 жыл бұрын
This was a very informative reply. Thank you.
@sherryhamill2438
@sherryhamill2438 3 жыл бұрын
Neat! You did a really nice job. My great-grandmother helped support the family by crocheting yokes for ladies' lingerie in the late teens, early twenties.
@MaireColclough
@MaireColclough 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the world of Bloody Tiny Stitches(tm)! 😆 May I recommend a magnifying lamp? Mine has been an absolute life=saver. 😃
@susanrussell8195
@susanrussell8195 3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps sight-saver?
@MaireColclough
@MaireColclough 3 жыл бұрын
@@susanrussell8195 That too! :D
@GwensShenanigans
@GwensShenanigans 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for mentioning my video Maike!❤ I lovelovelove your take on the teddy, and so much respect for your patience with all those super tiny stitches.
@littleblossomdarling
@littleblossomdarling 3 жыл бұрын
you have such a warm, soft voice! i loved listening to this while i worked on my own sewing project. the teddy turned out so well!
@mizuza12
@mizuza12 3 жыл бұрын
Love this. Crochet is my favourite thing. I recently just started a vintage filet pattern with the aim of eventually making a table cloth or bed spread. Your channel also inspired me to dig out my knitting ( my weakest skill set) I learned cabling this last week and am making a jumper for my old dog. I'm really enjoying knitting and finally feeling at ease with it.
@marjorythrash1045
@marjorythrash1045 3 жыл бұрын
I am a 4th generation crocheted and have a size 14 hook. Regular sewing thread is too thick. I was taught to hold the needle like a pencil. That might reduce stress on your hands. I agree with starch on the first wash or so to help stabilize the thread.
@half-caffcrochet
@half-caffcrochet 3 жыл бұрын
The coffee stain coloring will make it look old and authentic, right?! That tiny crochet just makes me want to weep. Good for you!
@audreydeneui192
@audreydeneui192 3 жыл бұрын
I would need a lighted magnifying glass, frequent breaks, and lots of visine.
@jrenee3550
@jrenee3550 3 жыл бұрын
My heart stopped and I almost cried when i saw the coffe omg.
@Lizard819
@Lizard819 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! As a long time thread crocheter I recommend you get a better hook if you do a big project like this again so you don't hurt your hands, and you can go much faster with a smoother hook. The clover amour steel hooks are my favorites. Loving your crochet content!
@donnellemorrison6761
@donnellemorrison6761 3 жыл бұрын
I always wondered why they make the tiny size steel hooks so short. I’ve used them and it’s hard on my hands
@puggirl415
@puggirl415 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know how to do it but I've always loved filet crochet. It's something I always notice when I see vintage lacemaking. I love using the small crochet hook and yarn but only for tiny 3d motifs like flowers, stars, shells etc. I can't imagine making a collar or lace top like that. You have so much patience. I'd still be working on it years later.
@karendoyle7999
@karendoyle7999 3 жыл бұрын
The crochet is so cute. On the width, it seems like in the pattern the triangles overlapped but when you started the second triangle you started where the first one ended.
@coffee-ness
@coffee-ness 3 жыл бұрын
A walking foot on the sewing machine may help with the foot stretching the crochet. You can also baste the yoke to the fabric by hand before putting it in the machine so it kind of stays put. The yoke turned out beautifully! :)
@halyeponi9391
@halyeponi9391 3 жыл бұрын
When you showed the shadow in the evening light I had to like!
@laurabuche5191
@laurabuche5191 3 жыл бұрын
As always, I love your videos (and I'm so glad your channel is growing steadily!). My mom is an absolute fanatic of filet crochet, she knits very large pieces (I own a tablecloth this measures 1 X 1.80 Mt). She says that pieces like that yoke hold on better if "lightly" starched.
@omagrandma4111
@omagrandma4111 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the adorable video. One of the historical crochet lace you show is not crocheted, but rather bobbin lace / knippling lace. That is finer point. I make both. For my daughter, I sewed a black crochet lace by hand as a wide ribbon below the breast in a colorful silk dress.
@barbaraortiz3001
@barbaraortiz3001 3 жыл бұрын
I really hope filet crochet (Tejidos de hilo) comes back in style. It's difficult but to me there's no bigger show of love when crocheting a beloved heirloom piece❤️...
@pjd2709
@pjd2709 3 жыл бұрын
You could run some really thin ribbon, or use your crochet thread to make a long chain that meets in the center front or not, and thread it through the top holes to draw in the filet crochet. A tip for keeping the center points of the bottom half in check, is to fold the triangle in half and mark the center placement, and mark on the top section the centers, and after gathering place these two improtant places together and even out the gathering on each section. Hope that helps! You did a great job on the crochet filet, your garment looks lovely btw!
@rubywatch
@rubywatch 3 жыл бұрын
Oh my goodness-- I am so impressed by your perseverance and bravery with the TINY STITCHES!!
@RetroClaude
@RetroClaude 3 жыл бұрын
Your rolled hem was beautiful And the filet crochet is amazing! So delicate and sweet even if it is a nightmare to do 💚
@brooke_reiverrose2949
@brooke_reiverrose2949 11 ай бұрын
I laughed, I marveled, I gasped in shock and horror. Finally, I applauded. And yay Retro Claude! Love her.
@janisi9262
@janisi9262 Жыл бұрын
I'm rewatching because this is such a cute, simple garment. It's just very charming! I learned this technique from Opus Elenae and used it on the hem of a slip. Before hemming, I sewed lace around the entire hem, then used this technique to hem the raw edge. It came out so well that it's invisible and I'm so proud of how amazingly it worked.
@c66yeung
@c66yeung 3 жыл бұрын
Well done. I'm so impressed. I'm a process knitter. So I would also do painstaking work in all my projects. But in the end, it's such a wonderful learning process.
@elisabonetti408
@elisabonetti408 3 жыл бұрын
Impressive! I can crochet a bit, but I think I will stick to buying my crochet yokes!
@kimzachris5340
@kimzachris5340 3 жыл бұрын
That yoke is really neat! (In more than one sense of the word)
@MrsBrit1
@MrsBrit1 3 жыл бұрын
I legit thought the bottom of these undergarments were shorties/tap pants style, not a skirt flounce type. Also the fillet made my eyes hurt just watching. The smallest book I've used is a 1.5mm and I had such she strain afterwards....and I'm still pretty close to 20/20...or I was before using that hook! 😂
@ClaudiaArnold
@ClaudiaArnold 3 жыл бұрын
So did I think and indeed have seen - with overlapping legs instead of a crotch seam, because - bathroom. The girdle with the stocking straps would go over that and a flattening breastband underneath. Maybe the last step of the instructions is just missing, like "Cut off and hem the points of the triangles and join them with hooks and eyes" or something. The crochet yoke is definitively an upgrade to the garment.
@erinsleathercraftstudio4977
@erinsleathercraftstudio4977 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, so I’m not the only one who uses bobby pins as stitch markers 😆
@lolilol20098
@lolilol20098 3 жыл бұрын
Oh my goodness the patience you exercised while crocheting the yolk!!! This is amazing!
@emogal225
@emogal225 3 жыл бұрын
I had the older model of that machine in blue growing up. Its the machine I learned to sew on.
@GaiaCarney
@GaiaCarney 3 жыл бұрын
Engineering Knits 🧶 you are a living Goddess! Minerva? Athena? Is it you? Your patience, attention to detail and problem solving are beyond admirable💖 ty vm
@tra-shathikous2470
@tra-shathikous2470 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a lovely video. Your channel was a KZfaq recommendation and when I saw use doing both sewing and crochet, two of my favourite hobbies, I knew I had to subscribe. Looking for to watching many more of your videos. Hope you have a great weekend and happy crafting!
@ingridhaugen1177
@ingridhaugen1177 2 жыл бұрын
I've always thought filet crochet looked clunky and inelegant, but your crocheted yoke is delicate and beautiful! Apparently, all you need is very thin thread and a nice pattern. Now I need to learn filet crochet! Thank you for opening my eyes.
@margaretkaraba8161
@margaretkaraba8161 3 жыл бұрын
You can get clip-on magnifiers from Amazon - they come in x2, x3 and x4. I do beaded crochet (size 11 to size 15 beads) with a 0.75mm hook and I use the x3 on my reading glasses. Helps a *lot*.
@MaryrosePurple1
@MaryrosePurple1 3 жыл бұрын
Bobby Pins as stitch markers! Very clever -use what you have. I use paper clips.
@MARTHA.Patito
@MARTHA.Patito 3 жыл бұрын
Yep ! I do this kind of beauties! But with Omega 20 XD
@nancybridegam6903
@nancybridegam6903 Жыл бұрын
I have a filet crochet yoke from a corset cover that was made by and worn by my grandmother ( I am 65 yrs old). I cherish it!
@spark3858
@spark3858 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful garment! Love your honesty too. I like you suggest where you could have made an improvement in your work. I've done projects from youtube and couldn't figure out why mine wasn't turning out right until I took a closer look at the finished sample and saw the same mistake in theirs.
@donnacox1242
@donnacox1242 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome job. No way could I have had the patience to knit with yarn/string and a hook that tiny. Wow!
@reformvideos4303
@reformvideos4303 3 жыл бұрын
You actually did it!!! 😂 I bought stuff to do filet crochet and tatting last year. Turns out I have limits on my patience 😅
@tarasnow-burch7203
@tarasnow-burch7203 3 жыл бұрын
Really beautiful coffee and all. Pretty underclothes seem to make me more confident. Although the smallest I have worked was sewing thread and a size 16 hook. I will not do it again and yes it is a very special hankie with filet crochet around the edges.
@awizardmummyandmartian3238
@awizardmummyandmartian3238 3 жыл бұрын
The say the point of lingerie is to make you fall in love with yourself.
@dorathequilter2826
@dorathequilter2826 3 жыл бұрын
It’s possible your struggle with crocheting with size 50 thread was negatively impacted by the way you held the hook. While yarn crocheters use that hold, a few decades ago almost everyone who crocheted with fine thread used the pencil hold taught with the Palmer Method of handwriting. Kudos for persevering.
@carlabythelake8162
@carlabythelake8162 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! I've heard that as well. Makes me want to get a project going to test that method.
@emilywong4601
@emilywong4601 3 жыл бұрын
I usually wrap the crochet thread around my pointer finger, but I was taught as a child from another child. It holdd the thread tighter.
@amandaquintieri9029
@amandaquintieri9029 3 жыл бұрын
Omg, that coffee broke my heart
@sarahscadden2580
@sarahscadden2580 3 жыл бұрын
The crochet work turned out beautiful. I never knew that was what that style of crochet was called.❤️
@melindaweasenforth1206
@melindaweasenforth1206 3 жыл бұрын
Filet crochet is by far the easiest make.... sketch out a picture and you can make your own design...been crocheting for 54 years and 51 knitting... prefer crochet, quicker satisfaction in results of what I'm making.... knitting and bobbinlace are my relaxing needlework go to work...I love all types of needlework, if we're not careful it might end up the lost Art.....am self taught in some things but as far crochet my mammaw was my teacher and my friend from high school taught me how to knit... forever grateful to both of my mentors... some people use coffee to help making things look antique... just a suggestion. Your results are exquisitely and brilliantly stunning..... hug's Lynn Weasenforth 💯💜💛💙☮️🌹
@awizardmummyandmartian3238
@awizardmummyandmartian3238 3 жыл бұрын
I hope these make a comeback, these are so cute.
@paulcarlachapman628
@paulcarlachapman628 2 жыл бұрын
My eyes are too old for #50 crochet thread, but you did a lovely job with it! Congratulations on beautiful filet lace!
@mylena3086
@mylena3086 3 жыл бұрын
in my opinion knitting and weaving is the actual root of computers There are many similarities between a loom and a screen So a very accurate comparision :) The original 3d printing
@flickerwizz233
@flickerwizz233 3 жыл бұрын
This makes me want to pick up crocheting again, it's so cute
@tereza5071
@tereza5071 3 жыл бұрын
Your work is lovely! Everyone's comments are lovely, as well! Um, bobby pins are good, because you can never have enough stitch markers. I love watching your videos, but this one had me at 'crochet'.💜
@kaizma88
@kaizma88 3 жыл бұрын
My hands started cramping when you were crocheting with that teeny tiny hook and 50 thread! 🙃
@cliffp.8396
@cliffp.8396 2 жыл бұрын
I see an excellent first attempt result. Very nicely done darlin
@jirup
@jirup 3 жыл бұрын
So nice to see some fine crochet, I no longer have the eyes for fine work. Vintage Dancer has an excellent article on 1920s lingerie.
@KatFink
@KatFink 3 жыл бұрын
It looks so good! Big inspiration for finding a yoke pattern I like to finish.
@marymary5494
@marymary5494 Жыл бұрын
These yokes have always caught my attention. You have inspired me to have a go, I’m thinking of making a Edwardian style nightdress. Thank you. 👌💕
@corasgrove3474
@corasgrove3474 3 жыл бұрын
I love sewing 1920s and I can crochet but not knit, so maybe I will add something like this to my project pile :) It looks very intricate!
@jenniferpingleton8389
@jenniferpingleton8389 3 жыл бұрын
This is just gorgeous! I personally would have done a chain for the eight rows of filet work, and worked it to the length I needed tho. Much easier to keep track of stitches that way!!
@augustwogsland3309
@augustwogsland3309 3 жыл бұрын
I love how it turned out! I want a lacy undergarment. Guess I should get into crochet perhaps. :D
@firegodessreiko
@firegodessreiko 3 жыл бұрын
DO get into crochet. DON'T start with lace though. 😅 You will be sad and your eyes will hurt.
@mirib5007
@mirib5007 3 жыл бұрын
Omg, coffee! Your work is exquisite!
@handley2645mh
@handley2645mh 2 жыл бұрын
My Granny, who lived in the 1920s, taught me how to filet crochet, to sew, and to quilt. I would sometime like to make that undergarment. I might be a bit closer to her as she has been gone for 36 years now.
@doris1826
@doris1826 3 жыл бұрын
Filet crochet! Yay! You'll love it!
@momtomtse
@momtomtse 3 жыл бұрын
I adore doing filet crochet, your set is just lovely.
@dianaaguilarmendoza8549
@dianaaguilarmendoza8549 2 жыл бұрын
I love that you do in crochet. I'm in shock, your material is made in Mexico, my country 😍😍
@dawnvega383
@dawnvega383 3 жыл бұрын
Could the picot edge be a crochet stitch? I guess not! It is beautiful and wow, if you wanted good under garments back then prepare for a whole lot of time!
@999Giustina
@999Giustina 3 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful project! So very very interesting. I can't see stitches with my prescription reading glasses so I use magnifying lenses. Beautiful work!
@jenniferrich5292
@jenniferrich5292 3 жыл бұрын
Beautiful crochet! You’re slippers are still looking good, too🥰
@doreenwatson-read
@doreenwatson-read 3 жыл бұрын
so so pretty, I'm very very impressed with your patience. I do think the bottom would look nicer if it were lettuce hemmed, but as you say that is something you could do when you get back to your bigger machine. the bust line could be dropped to accommodate the width of the crocheting. then you wouldn't get any fold over. my fingers would hurt after the first line of crocheting. keep doing it to ward off arthritis.
@anaisabelsantos4661
@anaisabelsantos4661 3 жыл бұрын
My crochet hooks are telling me I have forgotten them. I guess you made me add "put the crochet hooks to work" in my 2021 to do list.
@MonikaJoyner
@MonikaJoyner 3 жыл бұрын
What an interesting project! I love the crochet part. I always wanted to make something similar as a nightgown, but I don't like sewing. You make it look so easy. This pattern and different material would make a cute summer dress. The difference in your tension may come from the experience you've made during that project. This happens to me easily after a longer break of knitting or crocheting, it always need some work to come back to my "normal" tension.
@Tam.I.am.
@Tam.I.am. Ай бұрын
...I've also made that 3D printing analogy. XD Good to know I'm not too weird.
@Eric-zv4og
@Eric-zv4og 3 жыл бұрын
thats wonderful! i never thought crochet was used in historical clothing :D this is an amazing find! thank you @engineeringknits
@EagleVision1999
@EagleVision1999 3 жыл бұрын
That's one hell of a tiny crochet hook. I might have to get one, because it looks really great.
@marieradatsz4126
@marieradatsz4126 3 жыл бұрын
You must have some patience worth it though the end result is stunning xxx
@missmatti
@missmatti 3 жыл бұрын
What a lovely teddy! I love the look of filet crochet lace but I have never had the patience to actually make it - maybe I will in the near future? I am looking to make some sleepwear and I love the look of crochet yoke design.
@Pinkstars1605
@Pinkstars1605 3 жыл бұрын
im a big fan of using baking soda and water to remove stains. id try soaking it in 50/50 mix (should be a paste) if you havent already done so, to remove the rest of the stain.
@justme9818
@justme9818 3 жыл бұрын
Hi. Do you mind if I ask you... I've found that it I use that much baking soda for stain removal, the clothes still smell of it afterwards. It's a really unpleasant lingering sort of scent. How do you get it out?
@kittenkorleone2918
@kittenkorleone2918 3 жыл бұрын
Next time wet block it with a bunch of rust proof pins made for this purpose onto stiff foam interlocking blocking mats. Don't be afraid to be a bit aggressive in order to get the stitches to open up. Let it dry naturally. I'd only be worried if the yarn had a single ply. You may also stitch up a sample to see just how much tugging your yarn can handle. It would be heartbreaking if it ripped after all that tedious work. You're not alone in having a second item being a bit more loose than the first. I think I've got 5 pairs of knitted slippers that don't quite match. I liked your project. I've been fascinated with everything 20's, from the fashion, makeup, the singing, films and the music. I enjoyed this very much.
@J8n3eyr3
@J8n3eyr3 3 жыл бұрын
I actually have one of these petticoats! It was passed down to me. There was also a silk tap set with fillet trim.
@mirib5007
@mirib5007 3 жыл бұрын
I have a led lamp I bring right over my work, it makes all the difference! Don’t put your eyes out!
@nicnaknoc
@nicnaknoc 3 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful undergarment - and brilliant winter craft to make crochet yokes (I do needle tatting with a 90 cotton, I feel your fiddling frustrations :D )
@HugsXO
@HugsXO 3 жыл бұрын
Nnnooooo!!! I feel your pain. You could do a light bleach soak, try hydrogen peroxide or prepare a couple of tea bags and soak your yoke to camouflage the coffee. Well done on your piece.
@magicattic
@magicattic 3 жыл бұрын
I applaud your efforts! I have made one granny square with that thread and hook size...it was so beautiful...but I only made one. Maybe I'll make more in the future but I don't know. This garment is pretty enough to tempt me back though. :)
@mf4376
@mf4376 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing! I bought tiny thread and knitting needles to try and make lace, but quickly set it aside because it was so difficult. Might try again later, but I'll stick to regular size for now. Anyways, super impressed with you skills!
@michellebyrom6551
@michellebyrom6551 3 жыл бұрын
I've done both knitting and crochet for nearly 50 years. Oof. That sounds soo old. Anyway. I always had trouble with lacey knitting regardless of needle size. Knitting is best for more solid items and textural stitching like aran, something I find easy, and crochet for lace effects and raised motifs such as Irish crochet. Better to go with it than fight it. Blocking and starching are essential on many projects to maintain size and shape. Sewing small stitches along the edge of the finished fabric part of a garment and then doing a foundation row of single crochet into them is what I learnt from old books. Easier start but the lace can't be saved easily once the finer fabric wears out. Instead of a foundation chain length, an alternative is to start with 9 chain, treble into 1st chain, then 6 chain 1 treble into 3rd chain back from 1st treble to form a second square. After that 6 chain 1 treble can be used to alternate sides to complete what reads as 1st 2 rows. Divide foundation chain by 3 to get the number of squares that are easier to count as you go.
@audreydeneui192
@audreydeneui192 3 жыл бұрын
I use safety pins to keep track of anything over 10 chains.
@CraigsOverijse
@CraigsOverijse 3 жыл бұрын
My nan told me her brother crochet her a collar she was born in 1900 still have a few of her knitting needles even though she been dead a long time she taught me to crochet and she was always busy with her hand crocheting or knitting
@rhondamast3441
@rhondamast3441 3 жыл бұрын
It’s so pretty!!
@susanmyrawills
@susanmyrawills Жыл бұрын
Beautiful!
@nikitawyllie-cinemastitch3267
@nikitawyllie-cinemastitch3267 3 жыл бұрын
Well done! That's intensive work, and you've done a great job :-)
@nicolemulready6329
@nicolemulready6329 3 жыл бұрын
I find it surprising that you haven't worn a halloween costume in a while! But I just assume people who like dressing up for one thing generally also like to dress up for others too
@melindaweasenforth1206
@melindaweasenforth1206 3 жыл бұрын
If you don't want to worry about authenticity maybe velcro down the sides could be an option... MHO
@cats.crafts.cookie
@cats.crafts.cookie 3 жыл бұрын
Love it.
@ainhoaaparicio3729
@ainhoaaparicio3729 3 жыл бұрын
I have noticed that when crocheting with lighter weight yarns you'd better hold your croceht as you would hold a pencil. Increases your control over the work.
@CrochetWorldCreations1
@CrochetWorldCreations1 3 жыл бұрын
Wow awesome 💞 Love this.
@MultiSirens
@MultiSirens 3 жыл бұрын
My Mum made all of her undergarments, I’m into crochet but I’m not a sewer! Lol
@1nerdyknitter
@1nerdyknitter 3 жыл бұрын
That is beautiful! I gasped at the coffee part, 😥. Where did you find the size 50 thread?
@AliciaB.
@AliciaB. 3 жыл бұрын
wow. I wouldn't have had the patience to crochet even 1 triangle in such a tiny, finicky pattern. So how does the teddy close ? do you bring one flap to the front & pin it in place ?
@doris1826
@doris1826 3 жыл бұрын
Try holing your hook like a pencil? I find the 'overhand' hold much easier for thread work.
@TheCrazygeekgirl1
@TheCrazygeekgirl1 3 жыл бұрын
I want one!
@dees3179
@dees3179 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome slippers!
@beckyd3140
@beckyd3140 3 жыл бұрын
I probably would have made the length of the lace around in the other direction so that each row was eight blocks wide and then stopped when it was long enough. If that makes sense.
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