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Englewood Legend Black Disciple White Cloud Story

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@flaccosantanatv9277
@flaccosantanatv9277 Жыл бұрын
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@lorettamakathi4839
@lorettamakathi4839 7 ай бұрын
Oh my gosh I love your content all the way from London England can l still donate for u thanx for taking your time
@broughamrandolph686
@broughamrandolph686 Жыл бұрын
White Cloud was a good dude. Respect all day
@shawnbates393
@shawnbates393 Жыл бұрын
Please don’t neglect Fred Hampton pushing those brothers to be politically educated, and not to be used as tools of oppression against their own people
@lenoxwheat438
@lenoxwheat438 Жыл бұрын
BPPC💯
@kerryjmorris
@kerryjmorris 8 ай бұрын
Righteous!
@DavidReyes-1970
@DavidReyes-1970 8 ай бұрын
ALL IS ONE !!!❤
@DavidReyes-1970
@DavidReyes-1970 8 ай бұрын
PLENTY MUCH LOVE!!!❤
@FourthQuarter262
@FourthQuarter262 5 ай бұрын
Free em all
@KarisAvery-uf7eu
@KarisAvery-uf7eu 11 ай бұрын
White Cloud Had a Beautiful Strong Aura and Presence about Himself.... He Lived Down The Street and It is hard to explain Him. You either Feared Him or Loved Him....A Legend To This Day!!
@rickybrown2446
@rickybrown2446 10 ай бұрын
A legend how, I knew white cloud and he died how he lived. He seemed to have loved kids because I remember going to his pool hall playing pool and he looked out for us. Truth be told he carried out a lot of hits as well and that is a fact.
@user-rl2db8yc4c
@user-rl2db8yc4c 4 ай бұрын
He’s a legend let no one take your opinion away no matter how they lived…I myself know he was about his community regardless of how he had to survive on the streets💯
@yakchicagosfinest6656
@yakchicagosfinest6656 Жыл бұрын
Much respect and well put together truth and documented history I was born and raised in stateway gardens so I definitely understood everything you was talkin about
@deemaniaco6760
@deemaniaco6760 Жыл бұрын
Maniac Latin Disciple here 🖤💙🔱
@prestonmckoy5872
@prestonmckoy5872 Жыл бұрын
I've never h. Ileard of a Spanish game that a-. II never heard which finish game gang
@prestonmckoy5872
@prestonmckoy5872 Жыл бұрын
okay
@prestonmckoy5872
@prestonmckoy5872 Жыл бұрын
okay I need to get
@prestonmckoy5872
@prestonmckoy5872 Жыл бұрын
I'm looking at a document documentary about Larry Hoover in the rest of the brothers
@prestonmckoy5872
@prestonmckoy5872 Жыл бұрын
they were scared about uchicagoin Chicago in
@kirkblackwell314
@kirkblackwell314 Жыл бұрын
Larry brought the Gs from Inglewood and Floyd brought the Gs from the hundreds when they became one it was done
@DavidReyes-1970
@DavidReyes-1970 8 ай бұрын
BIG OL' G...PLENTY MUCH!!!❤
@andrerussel2773
@andrerussel2773 Жыл бұрын
Im not involved in gangs but my whole family G's...I just love the fact that when these organizations were created it was during a time when our people had to survive and the fact that all nations and organizations created these large political organizations to better us much love to them all and i wish we as a people would go back to more of that and for all that say people from the south country and slow remember all these brothas came from the south much love to all these soldiers
@nathanielrichardson9817
@nathanielrichardson9817 Жыл бұрын
FROM CHICAGO IL, ENGLEWOOD LEGENDS, NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SOUTH, OUR PARENTS ARE FROM THE SOUTH, 90% OF BLACK PEOPLE IN CHICAGO MIGRATED FROM MISSISSIPPI, BECAUSE THEY FOUGHT BACK AGAINST THE KKK RACIST IN THE SOUTH✅ WHY DIDN'T THEY START THE BLACK STREET ORGANIZATIONS IN THE SOUTH THEN? COULDN'T, CAN'T, AINT, CHICAGO IS OUR HOME AND MOTIVATION, BLACKS IN CHICAGO ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS BLACKS IN AMERIKKA ✅
@nathanielrichardson9817
@nathanielrichardson9817 4 ай бұрын
RAISED IN CHICAGO THOUGH, WHOLE DIFFERENT BREED, CITY BUILT BY REAL GANGSTERS LITERALLY ITS IN OUR CULTURE ✔️
@broughamrandolph686
@broughamrandolph686 Жыл бұрын
Great video much respect My brother. Keeping our dream alive.
@donjackson1336
@donjackson1336 10 ай бұрын
WhitecCloud’s, Mother was a friend of my Aunt, they used to share groceries his stepdad was black, he was an auto mechanic. They were from MS. I seen White cloud most days he knew how to wear his brim. Straight banger. 59th & Aberdeen. Hoover was the originator of the Supreme Gangsters, The High Supreme Gangsters were under the Supreme Gangsters High 12. LH was at the family’s crib by the Church most days. It used to be about Just throwing hands and block parties in the beginning. Then the mob dropped off heroin & guns, and everything changed.
@husseinbato996
@husseinbato996 6 ай бұрын
White cloud was black 2 brother
@MuhammadMoss722
@MuhammadMoss722 Жыл бұрын
How gangs go from building the community to what you see in 2023? Cointelpro....We at war....
@aermax7321
@aermax7321 Жыл бұрын
..👍
@lenoxwheat438
@lenoxwheat438 Жыл бұрын
True
@DeeTheGreat-qr3bh
@DeeTheGreat-qr3bh 11 ай бұрын
We at War with ourselves these days
@nathanielrichardson9817
@nathanielrichardson9817 7 ай бұрын
​@@DeeTheGreat-qr3bhPLEASE, NO UNITY SINCE THE PANTHERS ✔️ BLACK FAMILY DESTROYED 80% BORN OUT OF WEDLOCK RAISED BY SINGLE BLACK DYSFUNCTIONAL MOTHERS NOT A PRODUCTIVE MAN IN THE HOUSE IN FIFTY YEARS, NO BM NO STRUTURE, DISCIPLINE, FLOODED BY FOREIGNERS, GENTRIFICATION URBAN REMOVAL, GENOCIDE IS HERE, JEALOUSY,ENVY, MOTOR MOUTH, ALL FEMALE TRAITS, 🛑✔️
@nathanielrichardson9817
@nathanielrichardson9817 7 ай бұрын
​@@DeeTheGreat-qr3bhNO WE NO UNITY🛑
@kingtown9396
@kingtown9396 Жыл бұрын
11 points LSD Stone love to the folks. All is well All is one
@tanderson0640
@tanderson0640 Жыл бұрын
Great statement! ALL IS ONE
@terrellgaither8699
@terrellgaither8699 Жыл бұрын
Pml to all sides worldwide
@hopefulelect1446
@hopefulelect1446 11 ай бұрын
White definitely had Hoover’s blessings because I thought he was a BM for the GD’s but now I see thanks
@elijahbenisrael3983
@elijahbenisrael3983 Жыл бұрын
Can I ask you a question. Where you there? I was. I may have not known these brothers personally. Some I knew their family members. i ran with some of them. This was our neighborhood. But here's the thing. We need to know what the Bible has told us. We should not hate our brothers in our hearts. We should not kill. Therefore, we should have a love for our brothers but not a reverence. Why? Look at what is happening today. We are killing each other and putting unwanted fear in our communities. The Jeff Forts, Larry Hoovers, the David Barksdale, they lived by the code. These men were from the south side. They did what they did. However, the community came first. They respected the elderly. The women. And those that were not a part of that culture. These young guys do not have that integrity. i was a student. i had 5 brothers. But we were not in the culture and we were respected for what we were about. We were not made to fear because we rolled a different way. Take note young warriors. Community is first and foremost. If you destroy that. you destroy your people. And then have no heritage or culture. Is this not what we are seeing now.
@aermax7321
@aermax7321 Жыл бұрын
.. the females of today's community have everything to do with the gang culture, there is no moral balance therefore there will be no boundaries in conflict 😞
@v.a.993
@v.a.993 7 ай бұрын
Have you stopped to consider that all of the people you named are the reason why what is happening now is happening? They had no plans and no clue for the future generations. So, the future is now, and the chickens have come home to roost. These are the chickens that Jeff Fort, Lary Hoover, David Barksdale created. Sure, they had respect for elders. They were from a different era...an era when that was normal. The man took them out ...assassinated them (Fred Hampton) or imprisoned them.
@rodneybrown9580
@rodneybrown9580 7 ай бұрын
Brother, I did not know gangs had business ownership. I pray you continue to keep messaging the people with this history and information.
@onemillionstrong
@onemillionstrong Жыл бұрын
Damn good video, well put together, awesome narration. #RESPECT from Detroit 💯
@user-jy2tt9gc9b
@user-jy2tt9gc9b Жыл бұрын
The High Supreme Gangsters were Irving Green's branch. Ike Taylor and Larry Hoover were Supreme Gangsters. There was a difference. Ike said that himself.
@Kboogie36
@Kboogie36 Жыл бұрын
Ike and Old Timer still alive. As are others who have told the true story
@flaccosantanatv9277
@flaccosantanatv9277 Жыл бұрын
I just got off the phone with Ike yesterday
@flaccosantanatv9277
@flaccosantanatv9277 Жыл бұрын
Interview coming
@Kboogie36
@Kboogie36 Жыл бұрын
I'll try to catch up with Old Timer and get a number on him. Highsmith works with Pastor Corey Brooks
@bosspimp216
@bosspimp216 10 ай бұрын
@@Kboogie36OT still kicking it a walking history book fo sho
@Shakedown2u2
@Shakedown2u2 5 ай бұрын
Salute David Barksdale and may he rest in Paradise... the vision shall live on as one💞💙🤍🖤💯
@deemaniaco6760
@deemaniaco6760 Жыл бұрын
Facts King David Barksdale renamed the Devils Disciples the Black Disciple Nation in 1966 same year my nation itself began 💯
@4nem485
@4nem485 Жыл бұрын
Don dirk named it Black disciple not king david
@deemaniaco6760
@deemaniaco6760 Жыл бұрын
@@4nem485 No he didn't King David Barksdale renamed the Devils Disciples to the Black Disciple Nation in 1966 due to the Black Power Movement
@deemaniaco6760
@deemaniaco6760 Жыл бұрын
Why else do you think the Black Gangster Disciple Nation was called what it was lol
@kendlegolphin1449
@kendlegolphin1449 Жыл бұрын
BGD in 1969 I understand the difference 1966 BD pml
@4nem485
@4nem485 Жыл бұрын
@@deemaniaco6760wrong
@dmr2812
@dmr2812 11 ай бұрын
Fred Hampton Sr. Was going to bring everyone together. Shame he got assassinated.
@FatGuy1
@FatGuy1 2 ай бұрын
Nah he tried to it was going happen
@tinnelledwards6895
@tinnelledwards6895 Жыл бұрын
Its always somebody on here arguing about the begining stage of the disciples nation its not about who was a G or B it was about being a disciple and representing your blackness and being better developed in our own community because it was a lot of racism the guy showing this video maynot have all the facts straight but the main point of the video was about being together as all as 1!!!
@badnews6312
@badnews6312 Жыл бұрын
Facts they keep worrying about the first name when it's about the last name disciples
@tinnelledwards6895
@tinnelledwards6895 Жыл бұрын
@@badnews6312 FACTS!!!
@nathanielrichardson9817
@nathanielrichardson9817 Жыл бұрын
A LOT OF AGENT PROVOCATEURS OUT HERE, THEY COME TO SEW DIVISION AND CHAOS, THEY WILL NOT SPEAK ON ALL IS ONE OR UNITY✅ DIVIDED WE FALL✅
@six6thdisciple
@six6thdisciple 11 ай бұрын
BECAUSE DISCIPLES STARTED THE WAR WITH THE GANGSTERS PLUS LONGSTREET SHOT CHEIF SO KNOCK IT OFF
@justjuug6269
@justjuug6269 Жыл бұрын
My Father Was Friends With Whitecloud This Is Crazy
@tinnelledwards6895
@tinnelledwards6895 Жыл бұрын
To clear things up my brothers and sisters of the struggle they were claiming black disciple at the same time they were claiming devil disciple and also basically the other type of disciples that was out there so to make a long story short it started out as they wanted to just be disciples and then of course the devil disciple came into play just to have a name that sounds more interogating than that of the white gangs because it was about being proud of your own race such as you had the black panthers and the black peace stone rangers and then as time went on other blocks in certain areas started adding there own names to the disciples plus other small gangs started merging with the disciples but yea when they all came together as a whole it was black disciple just to shorting the names of the other forms of disciples until King Larry came aboard and formed the BGDN along side with King David,Shorty Freeman,Don Dirkey,Boonie Black, Prince Old timer, Prince Tennessee, and many others!!!
@bosspimp216
@bosspimp216 11 ай бұрын
Boss Pimp Disciples 2-16-4
@DavidReyes-1970
@DavidReyes-1970 8 ай бұрын
SCYPO!!!❤
@snookmgb8517
@snookmgb8517 3 ай бұрын
It’s was Black King Cobras 1st.
@derrichomorris6265
@derrichomorris6265 8 ай бұрын
standupman rip king david barksdale free MR LARRY HOOVER
@derrichomorris6265
@derrichomorris6265 7 ай бұрын
I am part of the struggle and Organization
@flaccosantanatv9277
@flaccosantanatv9277 7 ай бұрын
@derrichomorris6265 hit my inbox on Facebook Flacco Santana
@nathanielrichardson9817
@nathanielrichardson9817 7 ай бұрын
KEEP SWINGING FAM ✔️ G1
@POINTS-OF-LIGHT
@POINTS-OF-LIGHT Жыл бұрын
White cloud most likely was from MS also...Most of them guys was from DA SIP and the others from somewhere else in the south.
@flaccosantanatv9277
@flaccosantanatv9277 Жыл бұрын
Starkville Mississippi
@danieldavis2624
@danieldavis2624 Жыл бұрын
We are stronger together 16
@DavidReyes-1970
@DavidReyes-1970 8 ай бұрын
As one king David said it must be done!!!
@Shakedown2u2
@Shakedown2u2 5 ай бұрын
Salute to our B.O.S FROM ALL WALK OF LIFE AND THANKS FOR PROTECTING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD'S 🙏 🙌 💙💞🙏☝️🤲🦾
@brlong8626
@brlong8626 Жыл бұрын
See G it's a lot of controversy over King David being a BD you know as the store goes that in 1968 on the the Corner of 68th and Green King David was a Devil Disciple and Larry was High Supreme Gangsta and they met had sit down at the Church and they came together as One BGD
@gregorychatman5316
@gregorychatman5316 Жыл бұрын
Rest in Paradise God bless your soul forever 🏆🙏🏿❤💙🖤🤍
@sungazerreg9239
@sungazerreg9239 Жыл бұрын
God job broski
@Jordan-fm5gz
@Jordan-fm5gz Жыл бұрын
The Northern cities are full of people from the south - Mississippi, Alabama, or some of the states west of the Mississippi River.
@samueljenkins6430
@samueljenkins6430 8 ай бұрын
Why do we as people , idolize the very people that brought death and destruction to the very community that they claim to protect and support ?
@v.a.993
@v.a.993 7 ай бұрын
Exactly.
@nathanielrichardson9817
@nathanielrichardson9817 7 ай бұрын
🛑 U KNOW WHO YOUR REAL ENEMY IS, STILL OPPRESSING, RED LINING, PRISON INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX PLANTATION TO PRISON, GENTRIFICATION, CANT BLAME THE OPPRESSED FOR STRUGGLING ✔️ WHO IS TO JUDGE? NOT 1
@moorelance23
@moorelance23 7 ай бұрын
This is sloppy work bro if you rep the crib the presentation gotta be more sharp
@lifeandchoices
@lifeandchoices 10 ай бұрын
Just found your channel today and love your work and what you have going
@flaccosantanatv9277
@flaccosantanatv9277 10 ай бұрын
Thank u I have some very powerful documentary dropping
@jayclark1767
@jayclark1767 Жыл бұрын
Great content
@flaccosantanatv9277
@flaccosantanatv9277 10 ай бұрын
Thank you
@husseinbato996
@husseinbato996 Жыл бұрын
Gots to interview james high smith
@flaccosantanatv9277
@flaccosantanatv9277 Жыл бұрын
In the working real talk
@Yeah_eatsht
@Yeah_eatsht Жыл бұрын
I am real happy to hear he is still amongst us... waiting on the interview
@LooseKaHoots
@LooseKaHoots 11 ай бұрын
This my uncle 💯✍🏿
@lorenzoharrell1135
@lorenzoharrell1135 Ай бұрын
White Cloud was killed by his own people, he would not have gotten into a car with anybody. Think about it. He was getting to powerful for some people to accept, true but sad. Someone saw him get into that car 😮😮
@MellowYellow-zv2qh
@MellowYellow-zv2qh Жыл бұрын
No many mothers cried night and day that son was mad to join a gangs and was killed and mothers had to bury there sons, it had its negativties
@splmafia9690
@splmafia9690 7 ай бұрын
💯💯💯💯💯💯
@splmafia9690
@splmafia9690 7 ай бұрын
R.I.P. MLK
@rickybrown2446
@rickybrown2446 7 ай бұрын
I knew white cloud personally and he was not a role model that is why he died like he did.
@flaccosantanatv9277
@flaccosantanatv9277 7 ай бұрын
Appreciate your comments even though I disagree
@nathanielrichardson9817
@nathanielrichardson9817 7 ай бұрын
WHO IS TO JUDGE, NOT 1, WE USED TO LUV CLOUD, DID A LOT FOR THE KIDZ, DID U?✔️🛑
@carymixon7483
@carymixon7483 Жыл бұрын
I think u could have done a better job talking about a legend,you talking more about everybody else instead of white Cloud
@flaccosantanatv9277
@flaccosantanatv9277 Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the feed back I was just connecting the dots so people can see the inspiration n what inspired him to create a umbrella of love for all tribes and what was going on round them times that had a impact on him thank u for your comment truly
@carymixon7483
@carymixon7483 Жыл бұрын
I love your podcasts I did time in Statesville 10yrs,heard of lot a great things about the legend white Cloud you the only person that did a doc on this legend and your right he was very respected a very powerful and he brought a lot of money to the mob just as well as Shorty Freeman, jealous got white Cloud killed,rumers was out that he was about to talk over the mob,him and king Shorty just beat a murder case right before he got killed,also rumers was out that king Shorty slept with his wife andDon Durky .KT was Shorty right hand man,plus he had a Very powerful step brother name CP Charlie Parker.....White Cloud was a treat.....R.I.H legend
@lavellsmith8613
@lavellsmith8613 Жыл бұрын
New subscriber.
@Realest079
@Realest079 Жыл бұрын
Man white cloud die in my alley
@leadkeeprzproductionz3368
@leadkeeprzproductionz3368 10 ай бұрын
Damn...where at
@AndrewYoung-kz5qn
@AndrewYoung-kz5qn Жыл бұрын
That’s my old school Parker
@user-ht4zw1qg4y
@user-ht4zw1qg4y 11 ай бұрын
Salute
@michaeltwyman7945
@michaeltwyman7945 Жыл бұрын
Talk about watkeeta Valenzuela
@elMaxx5
@elMaxx5 7 ай бұрын
Ex-so-lent work!
@flaccosantanatv9277
@flaccosantanatv9277 7 ай бұрын
Truly appreciate the powerful and positive feedback
@kendlegolphin1449
@kendlegolphin1449 Жыл бұрын
What was the color of that dorag king david had on in the picture wat year that was
@inmmusic5927
@inmmusic5927 Жыл бұрын
Thats chief Bull in that first picture not chief Malik
@flaccosantanatv9277
@flaccosantanatv9277 Жыл бұрын
Very important to the blackstone movement u caught that . That was a edit flaw supposed to been Chief Bull then Chief Malik pic I truly appreciate that real talk I’m dropping one one chief bull real soon 🔜
@chiefmagic7001
@chiefmagic7001 Жыл бұрын
*king bull
@csb4584
@csb4584 Жыл бұрын
How you know if all this is true
@l.blanton3019
@l.blanton3019 10 ай бұрын
That picture was Chief Bull,not Jeff Fort(Chief Malik)
@flaccosantanatv9277
@flaccosantanatv9277 10 ай бұрын
Fact
@flaccosantanatv9277
@flaccosantanatv9277 10 ай бұрын
Edit malfunction
@FatGuy1
@FatGuy1 2 ай бұрын
That’s not Chief Malik’s Thafs King Bull
@flaccosantanatv9277
@flaccosantanatv9277 2 ай бұрын
Facts
@MrRodney284
@MrRodney284 4 ай бұрын
What rank did white cloud have?
@elijahbaptist1317
@elijahbaptist1317 3 ай бұрын
Cloud control All B.D. In chgo. He was seen as the leader of BD by 99 percent of the members and was well respected by others. When shorty was released from Wisconsin,the members didn't really want to follow him, Cloud told them that they had to because he shorty was the leader
@MrRodney284
@MrRodney284 3 ай бұрын
@@elijahbaptist1317 so white cloud was what title?
@madeinusa9394
@madeinusa9394 Жыл бұрын
Shorty slept with white cloud lady plus he had power on both sides but it was all BDs in that car with him tho
@leadkeeprzproductionz3368
@leadkeeprzproductionz3368 10 ай бұрын
How much is an hour of your time?
@madeinusa9394
@madeinusa9394 10 ай бұрын
@@leadkeeprzproductionz3368 for what?
@leadkeeprzproductionz3368
@leadkeeprzproductionz3368 10 ай бұрын
​@madeinusa9394 much respect brother. That's my old man & I hoping to touch base on the mystery...
@madeinusa9394
@madeinusa9394 10 ай бұрын
​@@leadkeeprzproductionz3368Shorty was in jail out of town and call the hit from there KT put it together he was tricked into thinking they were picking up money from Harvey Illinois and on the way they killed him and left him in Harvey then KT became Number 2# under shorty
@madeinusa9394
@madeinusa9394 10 ай бұрын
​@@leadkeeprzproductionz3368The mystery is who was all in the car ?
@alphaomegaclanchicagozealo9336
@alphaomegaclanchicagozealo9336 Жыл бұрын
They should hsve created hospitals due them being the ones doing the murder game. Makes sense
@eugenemarshall2571
@eugenemarshall2571 Жыл бұрын
Good comment
@nathanielrichardson9817
@nathanielrichardson9817 7 ай бұрын
🛑 MOST CRIME IS DOMESTIC, VIOLENCE IS DOMESTIC, AMONG FAMILY AND SO CALLED FRIENDS, THEY DIDN'T START IT, AND ITS STILL GOING ON RIGHT NOW✔️
@omegaprince1200
@omegaprince1200 Жыл бұрын
8:44 ike look like terry berry bot were gds
@Smokke_popped49
@Smokke_popped49 Жыл бұрын
One of the worst things I’ve had to hear on here
@flaccosantanatv9277
@flaccosantanatv9277 Жыл бұрын
What’s that?
@Smokke_popped49
@Smokke_popped49 Жыл бұрын
@@flaccosantanatv9277 the pace
@bos3073
@bos3073 Жыл бұрын
Wt about Blk King Cobras ?
@wattzw
@wattzw 11 ай бұрын
Don't let social media fool you, BJ was never that. Renegade Disciples
@DeeTheGreat-qr3bh
@DeeTheGreat-qr3bh 11 ай бұрын
Great video but it was all over the place & not enough about Whitecloud
@flaccosantanatv9277
@flaccosantanatv9277 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feed back I tried to dhow a collective of different events and people that had a effect on Whitecloud
@waymondgreen6436
@waymondgreen6436 Жыл бұрын
Where did you get some of those pictures???? Not Jeff with fist raised. He was never that large until after first prison stint
@mofo4what
@mofo4what Жыл бұрын
When you put these excerpts from historical figures talking, you just throw them in there with zero intent huh?
@flaccosantanatv9277
@flaccosantanatv9277 Жыл бұрын
Expound on your thoughts brother
@triforosveal559
@triforosveal559 Жыл бұрын
TP Folks @flaccosantanatv9277 the picture of the brother wearing sunglasses @3:52 with the lady with the afro is not Jeff Fort that is The Honorable Eugene "Bull" Hairston Founder of the Black Stone Rangers good brother
@flaccosantanatv9277
@flaccosantanatv9277 Жыл бұрын
Facts !
@flaccosantanatv9277
@flaccosantanatv9277 Жыл бұрын
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