Engraved Mauser HSC Belonging to SS Officer Otto Kron

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In this video, we show you an assembly that belonged to an SS Officer, Otto Kron!
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@davidfrankenfurter5800
@davidfrankenfurter5800 2 жыл бұрын
He served his country in genuine combat - not many do that
@drinkycrow4453
@drinkycrow4453 Жыл бұрын
The binary analysis we so often use to evaluate each other doesn't conform to the nature of humanity. Are there just good, brave people, and bad, cowardly people? Can a man be both evil and courageous? If so, can we admire him? If a man is decent but craven, are we to love or despise him?
@xne1592
@xne1592 11 ай бұрын
It's called being human. There is good and bad in us all. One man's good is another man's evil. When Audie Murphy was asked why he stood on the tank killing Germans with a machine gun, well aware he was risking his life or at the least life changing injury he said simply, "because they were killing my buddies". Probably the same reason the German soldiers were trying to kill him...
@gregbrown4962
@gregbrown4962 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the history lesson. The old adage "What goes around comes around" certainly applies here.
@dr.barrycraiggarneauesq.
@dr.barrycraiggarneauesq. 2 жыл бұрын
Said that right. Current events reflect that.
@Lockbar
@Lockbar 2 жыл бұрын
The Totenkopf "Skull" cuff title was the earliest model of the 3rd Division cuff titles and if you had that on your uniform even as time went on and you received newer model tunics, the early "skull" cuff title was usually retained to show that you were a member of the "old boys netwerk" in the division. A "Been there, done that" type of recognition. That would be a proper cuff title to be worn by an early (and notorious) Totenkopf member.
@joeybeasenburg6595
@joeybeasenburg6595 2 жыл бұрын
Kron was actually a plank holder in the 3rd SS Division and started out in command of the 4th Company Totenkopf. That’s not praise just stating that he was with the 3rd when it was created. I did not know about the cuff title and it’s significance.
@Lockbar
@Lockbar 2 жыл бұрын
@@joeybeasenburg6595 Yes. if somebody was a "newly minted" SS second Lieutenant out of a Junker school in 1944 and showed up wearing a old style "skull" cufftitle..the old timers would not like that at all, unless you might have served as an enlisted man in "Totenkopf" earlier in the war.
@hermittao
@hermittao 2 жыл бұрын
You appear to me to be a good guy, doing work that you love. The only people who don't make mistakes, are people who don't do anything.
@renemagritteshat8071
@renemagritteshat8071 2 жыл бұрын
you are a kind man who is passionate about these things like us. dont worry about the bad comments just keep it up with lots of love from Turkey.
@LegacyCollectibles
@LegacyCollectibles 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. !
@nukeblue
@nukeblue 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the history of these items and I thank the listener for supplying them.
@marktwo3160
@marktwo3160 2 жыл бұрын
Another great history lesson. Well done. Very interesting to me.
@Valfodur
@Valfodur 2 жыл бұрын
The HSC is one of my favorites, just something about it that really strikes my fancy. Add to that engraved, wow! Great video, thank you for the content!
@jasonriley2077
@jasonriley2077 2 жыл бұрын
Great video and great gun and ensemble. Incredibly interesting and rare to have such a complete grouping from a mid grade Waffen SS officer. Keep up the great work Tom and crew!!!
@LegacyCollectibles
@LegacyCollectibles 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jason. Stay well !!
@todderstaffes
@todderstaffes 2 жыл бұрын
I can't remember you ever making a bad video but this was definately one of the best and most interesting.. Great stuff guys keep up the excellent work
@LegacyCollectibles
@LegacyCollectibles 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the encouragement
@mikerueb6179
@mikerueb6179 2 жыл бұрын
Great job Tom and the humor is well appreciated. Thank you for sharing this history lesson.
@henrybucki7813
@henrybucki7813 2 жыл бұрын
great video . love your sense of humor
@CS-rh2ce
@CS-rh2ce Жыл бұрын
Do not listen to anyone saying anything negative about you or the videos you make sir. You are a gem in the youtube history/guns sence and should continue to go about your work knowing there are many people enjoying every video you make. This one in particular was very interesting, thank you for the knowledge and entertainment. Have a great day!
@toddbraddock236
@toddbraddock236 2 жыл бұрын
This was great, The Irony Otto Kron was as you said at dachau concentration camp. I was in the Army, and served from 1995-98. In 2015 I headed back to Ft. Hood for a retirement party, the party was for a friend that did his 20 years in the Army. We started out in basic training and ended up stationed together, I got out, he made a career out of it. I remember going back to Ft. Hood and seeing how different it was, there was a infamous shooting there by a Major Hassan, many things had changed. It was an open post when I was stationed there, now it was a closed post, and required ID and papers to enter. I can only imagine, how strange and surreal it was for Otto to be back at dachau, and to die there, can you imagine his last thoughts??? A bizarre ending, to a bizarre story!!!
@bobw4561
@bobw4561 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your insightful and detailed descriptions on your channel. I always learn something new...great job!
@r.guerrero9063
@r.guerrero9063 2 жыл бұрын
Greettings from Spain.Good job, your channel is a reference to all WWII collectors around the World.Thanks.
@dr.barrycraiggarneauesq.
@dr.barrycraiggarneauesq. 2 жыл бұрын
Nice job this time! Not boring like many. Nice tunic. The history of the man was nice. Did well today
@jimmccue577
@jimmccue577 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, great content! Love the vet bring backs, & the provenance! History major here...so keep digging up the good stuff!
@CovenantElite1117
@CovenantElite1117 2 жыл бұрын
The uniform is the best part.
@garyreiman856
@garyreiman856 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the cool pictures and stories
@tonyrome655
@tonyrome655 2 жыл бұрын
Not sure why anyone would beat you up for the video. All your doing is presenting historical facts. If people don’t like it, then they should just not watch and find another channel. Thanks for showing that unique gun and for another interesting history lesson.
@hudsondonnell444
@hudsondonnell444 Жыл бұрын
That tunic looks correct. Early Waffen-SS officers would most definitely wear a tunic with those early period Totenkopf cuff titles.
@lylealexson8680
@lylealexson8680 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. Thank you for adding the history!
@Za7a7aZ
@Za7a7aZ 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent review, as always. Dont understand there are not more subscribers because any ww2 "lover" would appreciate the information presented and the time spent into research
@klausvonschmit4722
@klausvonschmit4722 Жыл бұрын
What an fantastic piece of history!!
@rainbow2710
@rainbow2710 2 жыл бұрын
Splendid guns, and well explained. Thank you.
@CrazyOregonBeaver
@CrazyOregonBeaver 2 жыл бұрын
Another great job, I always enjoy your videos. Thank you for all your hard work.
@steveibell3715
@steveibell3715 2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding research on the bloke
@catsamazing338
@catsamazing338 2 жыл бұрын
That was both interesting and well presented. Thanks.
@scottshea6927
@scottshea6927 2 жыл бұрын
This was a Great Video!!! Can’t thank you enough for bringing this to us even though it’s not something you have for sale. What a fabulous gun and grouping! Connections to his service under Theodore”papa” Eikie….this is great history!! 100%
@markhammond4265
@markhammond4265 2 жыл бұрын
Jacket looks correct to me (traded this stuff since the ‘60’s)
@dannyiniguez3399
@dannyiniguez3399 2 жыл бұрын
Nice!!! I learn so much watching this channel. Please let's not let history repeat itself.
@browngreen933
@browngreen933 2 жыл бұрын
Ironic that Kron and his comrades were fighting the same Russian bear now considered World Public Enemy #1 in Ukraine.
@neear2789
@neear2789 2 жыл бұрын
This means they were right
@Panzermeister36
@Panzermeister36 Жыл бұрын
Soviet Union and Modern Russia aren't exactly the same thing....Soviet Union included Ukraine.
@dusjon
@dusjon Жыл бұрын
Ironic that u try to talk right a mass murderer
@christianvik3400
@christianvik3400 Жыл бұрын
Not ironic at all. Nazi Germany attacked Soviet Russia in WW2. In Ukraine 2022 Russia attacked Ukraine.
@browngreen933
@browngreen933 Жыл бұрын
@@dusjon In WW2 all sides indulged in Mass Murder.
@bigolemike33
@bigolemike33 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful Story Tom.
@jensenwilliam5434
@jensenwilliam5434 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Tom!!!
@albertkarapetyan9522
@albertkarapetyan9522 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for your service!
@fireguy_75
@fireguy_75 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible gun & history. Thanks for the video.
@johnblood3731
@johnblood3731 2 жыл бұрын
another great story. beautiful gun.
@paracat4893
@paracat4893 2 жыл бұрын
Always look forward to your vids! This one was particularly interesting
@stoneblue1795
@stoneblue1795 2 жыл бұрын
Well presented. You worked to bring us all the history, not an easy task. History happened, let us not forget it anytime soon. Does not mean that we in any way honor these goons, but nothing wrong with pointing them out and speaking of their actions and potential articles of war. Some of the providers of "arms" in that era (Mauser, etc.) had little choice in the matter, no different than Singer Sewing Machine Co. making parts for grenades and making 1911 autos.
@klausvonschmit4722
@klausvonschmit4722 8 ай бұрын
Another outstanding video! Thanks Fellas
@reggierico
@reggierico 2 жыл бұрын
The engraver did an outstanding job, even better than the factory engravers who did the Walther you compared it with. The stippling and the oak leaves are more detailed and pronounced. Keep in mind that the guy who did the HSC was probably not under any timeline pressure as I'm sure the the Walther engravers were.
@dondoyle8474
@dondoyle8474 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for the history.
@fatandfurious5940
@fatandfurious5940 2 жыл бұрын
Keep going! I love the job you do!!
@kfwimmer
@kfwimmer 2 жыл бұрын
Great job, as always!
@bobcullum
@bobcullum 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Tom, I learn something from every one of these. I see a Luger and it’s serial # listed on the capture papers. Have you looked into what it was and where it might be now?
@tomberetta8781
@tomberetta8781 28 күн бұрын
I recently came upon a 1942 HSC Police issue. Fabulous pistol.
@TheYeti308
@TheYeti308 2 жыл бұрын
"Nice" , Awesome Piece . !
@Willy_Tepes
@Willy_Tepes 2 жыл бұрын
This and the Luger are the two most elegant pistols in the world.
@9mmpeter255
@9mmpeter255 2 жыл бұрын
Otto Kron was a saint! How dare you!
@hannesschwan6284
@hannesschwan6284 2 жыл бұрын
I guess most Germans would disagree, not sure however if you‘ve been sarcastic or not
@rickcimino5483
@rickcimino5483 2 жыл бұрын
This is an excellent example to use with students.....to us a sinner, to Germans at the time a Saint. Just as many of our winners of the CMH would be sinners to some and heroes to us.
@hannesschwan6284
@hannesschwan6284 2 жыл бұрын
@@rickcimino5483 I don’t know about any specific cruelties he committed, but due to his rank there certainly have been some and I would guess most germans back than would have also condemned these.. he can be a hero for his war actions and saving hundreds or thousands of german soldiers while also being a war criminal. he certainly was not a saint! so I guess the original comment is either sarcastic or meant in a hardcore nazi kind of way
@mfreund15448
@mfreund15448 2 жыл бұрын
@@rickcimino5483 Exactly. Hero or criminal is all perspective. Both are true.
@kukuV.3
@kukuV.3 2 жыл бұрын
Read the culture of critique
@haroldkreye8770
@haroldkreye8770 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, beautiful piece of German engineering.
@jamesquirk4999
@jamesquirk4999 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful engraved HSC Mauser pistol and SS tunic
@lizzapaolia959
@lizzapaolia959 8 ай бұрын
Interesting video, thank you for sharing this video. Great history lesson as well. God bless 🙏
@Nighthawk1966
@Nighthawk1966 2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff, great video !
@verncommet1798
@verncommet1798 2 жыл бұрын
Agh don’t listen to the armchair detective your videos are always interesting to us wwwii history lovers thanks again
@tighay8693
@tighay8693 2 жыл бұрын
After 1945, France occupying the Mauser factories recovered many HSc pistols and used them as auxiliary weapons during the Indochina war. Similarly, it was a regulatory weapon in the Norwegian police around 1950
@willyswagon57
@willyswagon57 2 жыл бұрын
What a find man
@williamgibson248
@williamgibson248 Жыл бұрын
The Oak Leaves were usually awarded along with the Knights Cross so it's no surprise to see these guns engraved with them! 👍
@peterzani7477
@peterzani7477 2 жыл бұрын
Death by larinix could also be laryngeal cancer. It takes a long time to grow but in the end its quick.
@self-awaregunship6869
@self-awaregunship6869 2 жыл бұрын
Loved the history on this piece of firearms history. However, when you said Otto Kron, my brain, being a computer tech, immediately went to auto cron for a bit.
@kellyphillips9770
@kellyphillips9770 2 жыл бұрын
Well done!
@richb.4374
@richb.4374 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting history.
@rossfarrar1243
@rossfarrar1243 7 ай бұрын
Vary interesting and tragic, I am an hand engraver and find the style interesting , I don’t see that style much anymore. Thanks for the presentation you did it respectfully.
@joeybeasenburg6595
@joeybeasenburg6595 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video
@tighay8693
@tighay8693 2 жыл бұрын
even the Soviet pilot of the Second World War, Pokryshkin, had a captured Mauser pistol, which is still kept in the museum
@richardbaxter2057
@richardbaxter2057 8 ай бұрын
I didn’t realise that these particular pistols were so large? My Grandfather was bringing one back but as the Troop Ship that he was on docked in Dover Harbour (England, UK), all Troops on board were warned, that anybody caught with firearms (ex enemy) would immediately be shipped back out to Germany, for a further five year stint with the Army of Occupation! Consequently, it along with many other such weapons, got tossed into the Harbour........ Thanks for this interesting video....a window on what might have been? 👍🏻👍🏻
@454FatJack
@454FatJack 2 жыл бұрын
That’s major jacket. Paper show’n in this video, he was ltCol so Bar front of squares is away. So older jacket. Pink waffenfarbe panzer correct. Werner von Braun famous NASA rocket guy had these same 4 left collarpatches😉
@tommyp.7271
@tommyp.7271 2 жыл бұрын
wut
@Niels_Dn
@Niels_Dn 2 жыл бұрын
I think you’re wrong on the panzer part. The knights cross citation shows a flak unit as well as the color on the shoulder tabs, which is red (flak) and not pink (panzer).
@markstouse7612
@markstouse7612 2 жыл бұрын
And the correct pronunciation of Eicke is “Ik-a”.
@enscroggs
@enscroggs Жыл бұрын
@@markstouse7612 More like "Eye-kuh"
@waxfactory7582
@waxfactory7582 2 жыл бұрын
Great video great information
@georgfrese669
@georgfrese669 2 жыл бұрын
28. June 1942 awarded the Knight's Cross
@angrymike2423
@angrymike2423 2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff !
@tighay8693
@tighay8693 2 жыл бұрын
You best Legacy Merci
@grayparatrooper
@grayparatrooper 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to know how the gun and uniform piece were captured. Were they captured together or seperate? either way cool stuff
@HerrKurt
@HerrKurt Жыл бұрын
Nice collection 👌
@gaylegray4362
@gaylegray4362 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, I know your a gun guy, but would like to have seen more of the uniform,
@rrshowtime3900
@rrshowtime3900 2 жыл бұрын
Solid Proof of all claims Required.
@wubbotimmer552
@wubbotimmer552 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, i believe the tunic is real
@MarioJurjevic
@MarioJurjevic Жыл бұрын
wow, i would like to have that...
@user-qq3ls6oy7j
@user-qq3ls6oy7j Ай бұрын
Awesome pistol!!
@williamcattr267
@williamcattr267 Жыл бұрын
No need to beat up on Dennis Murphy! 😂
@asmatkhanmohmmad3376
@asmatkhanmohmmad3376 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful
@ezekielgodisstrength6028
@ezekielgodisstrength6028 Жыл бұрын
I think the current owner should give back that to Otto's family members.if he has any left cause if they are they the rightful owners
@richardkondr1909
@richardkondr1909 2 жыл бұрын
I have not seen such an SS officer's buckle, not even a belt marked in this way. Are you sure it's original?
@LegacyCollectibles
@LegacyCollectibles 2 жыл бұрын
Nope. Not sure. But someone else chimed in and said it was a correct EARLY SS buckle.
@zillsburyy1
@zillsburyy1 2 жыл бұрын
nice gun
@timothyramsey7010
@timothyramsey7010 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice video thank you very much never mind all the haters
@Luftwaffe1935
@Luftwaffe1935 Жыл бұрын
ive got a copy of that ss book
@feltwedge
@feltwedge 2 жыл бұрын
Great video - thanks for sharing. BTW, the red on the uniform shoulder epaulette is for artillery (he was commander of the FLAK Bn) and Eicke would be pronounced 'Ike-uh' sort of how Porsche should properly be pronounced with the last vowel not being silent.
@dennispfeifer7788
@dennispfeifer7788 3 ай бұрын
Return it to his family! He saved thousands of soldiers lives...this is a discase to hold it in foreign hands who do not deserve it.
@darrellenglish2704
@darrellenglish2704 2 жыл бұрын
All Good
@tredw66
@tredw66 2 жыл бұрын
Debt paid in full as the post war French would say.
@patrickhill6712
@patrickhill6712 2 жыл бұрын
Did he just say Louie Ville?
@markhammond4265
@markhammond4265 2 жыл бұрын
Always love the shows. However, just for accuracy, WSS Division Totenkopf was just another WSS division like Das Reich, Hohenstaufen, Frumdsberg etc. Eicke formed Das Reich. No better an no worse than any other division.
@lucasrigato
@lucasrigato Жыл бұрын
Interesting, he has the same last name as me. I'm of German descent but I didn't know I was from the SS.
@icnicn6556
@icnicn6556 2 жыл бұрын
Cred ca au fost detinute de familie
@christianklein5774
@christianklein5774 Жыл бұрын
he dit not done put it?
@giuseppe4909
@giuseppe4909 Жыл бұрын
Preserving history is never controversial. Altering or denying history always is.
@tomberetta8781
@tomberetta8781 5 ай бұрын
Facsinating.
@seriouslycoolful
@seriouslycoolful 2 жыл бұрын
Please never sell these things to someone who would destroy them
@luxbeci2
@luxbeci2 2 жыл бұрын
Very interest Wavven SS pistol and Wavven SS uniform. What happen this SS officer? How he die?? Or he retreat in USA Paper Clipp operaton, then Werner Von Braun??
@joeybeasenburg6595
@joeybeasenburg6595 2 жыл бұрын
He ended up dead in the same concentration camp that he started his career in, Dachau in the early 1950s while waiting on war crime trials
@scotttyson8661
@scotttyson8661 Жыл бұрын
How about sending me some offers
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