Coffee Arts politicians are still lying bastards though...lol! You get the odd one that cops it because he told the truth, but nowadays most are just lying turds. I’m hoping that they aren’t paedophiles now though, I truly am. Dirty, lying bastards!

By design and Social Engineering. Divide and Conquer is a War Strategy used by the Romans and British for purposes of division and control. Plus the bonus is, they get us to fight, compete and destroy each other while they profit off of it ALL. It's as equally brilliant as it is repugnant! There can never be Peace while these Whores 4 War R US continue to illegitimately Control and Rule over us!

Pommie bears live under tribalism see how that goes. Democracy and capitalism control and harness tribalism

now its all black privilage this and black privilage that.

@@TheDeletedOneOrwellian You're being thoroughly disingenuous. The meaning which I understood from Pommi Bear's post was the highlighting of *corruption*. You are talking about *systems*. No system will work efficiently or fairly with corrupt individuals at the helm. You can argue about systems if you wish, but please don't 'straw man' another man's argument.

And yet if you lived in his time; you would scold him, insult him and protest him to the resignation. Do you know how i know? Because that did happen to him. People like you only change when they are showen with rigorous proof why they are wrong and that happens only with time.

What I don't like about these people is the sheer hypocrisy.He was in Australia, India countries INVADED by the British.Do you think they had a choice? It's like what's happening now racists weeping for south Africa but then saying a brown person can never be British, then how is a white person south African?????? If whites had stayed in Europe maybe everyone else would too

Force woah you don’t even know me and are making massive assumptions. In the contrary I would actively support Powell’s candidacy. I have to admit I wouldn’t support Jenkins but at the same time I wouldn’t protest his candidacy. So please don’t group me into these modern SJW totalitarians who endorse violence and removal from office of people they simply disagree with when thee person hasn’t even commited any crime

@@force6769 You don't know the guy, you fucking idiot.

@@steamteamkids3961 You don't know anything. The settlers in South Africa came to lands not farmed by anyone, with only hunter gatherer tribes roaming here and there. They settled, farmed the land, and were on good terms with the small roamng tribes. Only after the settlers started building towns, roads, turning the land into farms, building affluence, did people from farther north venture south, wanting to partake in or steal the sort of society they're clearly can't build themselves.

Jenkins so dribbles in panic

11Kralle its amazing

@@sacredsoma Jenkins regularly wiped the floor with Powell in parliament

If he were alive today this great man could help us reminisce about the good old days of Jimmy Savile and Myra Hindley. 😢

@@JohnSmith-it6hj Missing apostrophe.

Inflation would reach 20% by the late 1970s, so it was just a bit inconvenient at the time

@@KaiserFranzJosefI Actually, that would be the mid-70s. 1975 to be precise, when inflation actually peaked at slightly above 24%. By the late 70s it was down to 13-15%.

Yes its a tonic for the mind.

Glad to see it made a difference.

Agree.

Masons.

You are forgetting Jacob Reece-Mogg.

@@jean6872 lmao good one

all they care about these days is PR and virtue signalling to make themselves look "right on" as opposed to doing whats right for the long term.

Rees-Mogg?

@@johnnyhammer I agree he is one of the smartest of the current Parliament but he isn't comparable to these two. This is evidenced by Rees-Mogg's book on Victorians which was largely ridiculed in comparison to the highly regarded works of Jenkins on Gladstone and Churchill and Powell's poetry and gospel commentary.

They'd never get elected. People prefer sweet lies over hard truths. Given people in this country and their utter inability to consider voting anything other than blue to keep the reds out and red to keep the blues out, it seems quite reasonable to say 'we get the government we deserve'

Masons.

Today the Tory Party has such intellectual giants such as Boris Johnson, Liz Truss, and Rishi Sunak.

​@@rogercliftonville-acton1574 Roger, the thing is "yesterday sweet lies" has become today's"hard truth", or don't you see it that way, just saying,,,.

​@@jean6872In hindsight intellectual dwarfs who are not wholly conservative and lack integrity. Liabilities and not rewarding the tax payer. Either through incompetence or liberalism.

Research Enoch Powell, he was an intellectual giant that is why Heath got rid of him, he was terrified of his intelligence and he knew Powell could see right through him.

Del Lawrence yep Powell suspected that heath was a internationalist, almost a communist, and his eagerness to get us into Europe sort of confirmed this for Powell.

Compare listening to Powell to having the BS of Afua Hirsh and Owen Jones shoved down your throat all the time.

​@@dellawrence4323 Heath was a wrong 'un. He was into little boys.

@@silverbullet2008bb unreal innit. It really does depress me.

I don't think they even mentioned the names of their parties once.

It’s shameful how he’s portrayed as some knuckle dragging white nationalist by the media

A Professor of Greek at 25, he went from Private to Brigadier in WW2.

This country has fallen because men like him never got to rule it.

He was an intellectual giant, that is why Heath got rid of him, Enoch knew what the plan was and he has been proven right.

Most nazis has sharp minds

Richard Clarke yes and from a private to brigadier!

You clearly know nothing about Roy Jenkins then. He himself was an intellectual giant, and consistently used to wipe the floor with Powell in parliament.

@Vir Nobilis nope - Jenkins had the reputation of being the supreme parliamentary debater of his era and was famous for the way in which he totally punctured Powell in parliament. On one famous occasion, Powell had made one of his highly complex logical, "glass tower" arguments that he was famous for, and Jenkins crushed him by simply saying "since the right honourable gentlemen always starts with a false premise, he is always bound to come to the wrong conclusion." Powell famously disliked Jenkins intensely because of this. When asked whom he disliked more, Ted Heath or Roy Jenkins, he said "well, I don't want to punch Ted heath in the nose"

@@th8257 "since the right honourable gentlemen always starts with a false premise, he is always bound to come to the wrong conclusion." A sophistic and vacuous statement unless the premise is proven to be incorrect. Stating something is wrong is not disproving it.

@@weefeatures "Stating something is wrong is not disproving it (...)" Well refuted - whether Jenkins may have had valid arguments or not (as here, warning of monocausal and radical approaches). Today, public debate is solely based on _moralization_ of a position ("it's morally wrong") and personal attack, again based on _moralizations_ - as in the early phase of the French Revolution. The latter lead to civil war and Europe wide state war - before it was restored to a state, arguably less 'progressive' and succesful than during the late 'ancient regime'.

It would be slaughter!

@@dicktiger68 Diane Abbott and Anna Soubry.....🤣🤣🤣🤣 You'd get more sense and intelligence from my goldfish......!!!

anyone that votes for a female politician, quite frankly, deserves everything they get...

Neither of them are fit to shine the shoes of either Jenkins or Powell

UNFAIR AND POINTLESS. MORE LIKE REES-MOGG AND BLIAR

The man was fluent in five different languages, would you believe that one of those languages was Urdu

The most brilliant UK politician that ever lived. Read his Wikipedia entry. The man was an absolute genius.

I believe Enoch Powell was a speaker of more than 10 languages

Shame his conclusions have been shown by time to be utterly wrong. You coconut.

@@ejkalegal3145 Not at all you freshie illegal immigrant

And reminds me of Monty Python's pepperpot character influence

@K L As clever as a belch out loud. Your Voltairian wit skewered Mr. Torres as if he had been stabbed by an ice cream cone.

SPOT ON..!!

You sexist fucking twat

trappistpreserve any more of your masculinity you want to give away in the name of totalitarian liberalism?

And, on this subject, on absolutely the wrong side of the argument.

I think he was one of Britain’s greatest men, absolutely brilliant.

Also one of Britain's most racist and bigoted but okay

@@nilethomas3839 How's your Urdu?

Gavin Morris can’t speak a word, why?

Masons.

“It’s gone up 6 pence!” Lol imagine if he saw today!!!!!!

@@humanforfreedom9583 Heh I wonder what you could have got for 6 pence in 1970. It was still old money back then, just about to change. 6 pence in 1970 is about £1 today

Roight ol Naaarfolk boy he is

Almost looked like Ronald Fraser

Possibly when indented truthful unbiased journalists ,were sacrificed for not having political bias....And Amanda Holden gets more headlines for what clothes she has worn in the last week,than any possible debate about e.g any just possibility of Erection Freudian Slip ..i doubt i can say anymore (eg 95% plus media donated to 1 us political party-& cover up laptop news) without being banned

16% of Biden voters said if they knew, would not have voted for him/Harris

What the fuck does this mean?

Beans on toast

​@@jamessales9047 bubble &, squeak, or dripping & whatever,,,.

Dean Ah, Great Britain that sucker of the world’s blood that happily no longer exists.

stephen morris what difference does it make? Remember the old saying the sun never sets on the fucking British Empire? No sir think of any trouble spot in the world and the blame can probably be blamed on English misdeeds.

Dean yeah. Im german and i miss it. Sad days.

@@sammysouth8372 that sounds a bit wacist to me sonny

You mean the greatest empire/commonwealth of all time...that destroyed/disolved itself voluntarily to abolish slavery & single handed stood alone against axis National Socialism ?

Roy Jenkins was Welsh - he wasn't English

the only book i have by enoch powell is the one where he controvershally argures that Mathew was the primary gospel (contrary to more obvious Mark) Of course they could have been relatively concurrent & intermingled or Q? He wasnt really suited to politics,or perhaps voters prefer dishonest fakes & liars-USA is a step ahead in that i think... Alec Dougles Hume mentioned,shortly b4 losing election that TV would encourage best actors rather than politians-he looked terrible on Tv-like a skull.Radio audience thought nixon beat kennedy in debate -TV audiences opposite -Nixon too macho to wear make up.Nixon knew election fixed by Kennedys dad ,but for sake of his future relection or sake of country keep quite.i think there was a quote by Joe Kennedy saying that the amount he paid he was expecting a landslide!

He would've had you sent back to wherever it was you came from, bud.

@@lawrence142002 That's fine mate..I'm from Europe and I didn't arrive to England by a dinghy! Thanks anyway 🇬🇧

​@@eyesofthetiger3568 Dinghy, umm, how is the peninsula, just asking,,,.

@T Neita Ask that question to British Consulate mate who gave me the visa! Besides today, I was in central London. I bet you did not watch and celebrate King Charles.s Cornation!

@@lawrence142002 Only non-White Europeans would have been refused to stay, which is fine if the ethnic culture, tradition and genetics of the nation come first and they should.

I confess they left me behind. They appeared to know what they were talking about.

@@jean6872 as it does every worthless behind that sits in Westminster today and for at least the last thirty years.

Not if you are PoC, a woman. LGBTQ+, disabled, etc

Thank God he never did or would've had a chance to become at least Tory leader

@@unknownkingdom what is a woman?

​@@sorrysirmygunisonebaaldor, you mean YOU don't know,,umm, Go & ask your MOTHER,if no answer then try this, WOMAN= A MENSTRUATING ,CHILD BEARING HUMAN BEING,,if by now you still don't know then maybe U R beyond help in that regard's,,,.

True. And the same could be said of Jenkins.

How true

I couldn’t agree more!!

Ishaan Rahman ~ Yeah, You make some very interesting points. if you haven’t already seen it before, Please check out the amazing documentary series called = “Europa The Last Battle” Part 5 is fascinating and Part 8 is mind blowing ! i hope that this explains what i meant by Racial conflict / Replacement

@@ishaanrahman9880 Why is Stomzy currently helping fellow blacks into Cambridge....doesn't he realise that all the people at Cambridge share the same "British values" as him. (a white person behaving in this way would, of course, be deemed a racist) Why can't he "move beyond race"? he can't for the same reason you care more about your family than mine even though we might have the same "values" this is because humans are tribal animals (Whites are actually the least tribal) it's why political parties field "diverse" candidates in "diverse" areas.

I couldn’t agree more! If Powell had been PM this beautiful island would still be in the good old days of Jimmy Savile and Myra Hindley. But no! Look what the foreign filth has done! 😢

@@southlondon86 How many would you cover up for ,on a cost -benefit analysis?

@@ishaanrahman9880 We have more murders than New York and have you seen the gun laws in the US

It still is and it’s being purposefully done by the Bank of England

I think you ought not to underestimate the seriousness of the economic circumstances in which they found themselves.

Humanforfreedom 95 no where near to the level is is today

Inflation destabilised the whole economy. As Roy Jenkins rightly points out, it was the poorest people who suffered most from inflation.

@J LD i think at one point about25%..Relative prices can often be far more important than random basket of total prices.......e.g cost of basic food essentials ;cost of house/mortgage relative to wages.....There was a time in late 50s early 60s when a average working class man, perhaps skilled or perhaps older just promotion throu experience; could get a sometimes very low interst10r mortgage on a £1,000 house (i am sitting,sleeping on a 1963 all leather soffer that i was told cost £100 NEW-calm down ,i got it for free)...............................................In 1996 i & others moved into a £60,000 similar shared house rented-relatively cheap excellent value Honestly it was cheapest on market. Left /evicted after about 9 yrs having paid about £60,000 in rent ;& property worth increased in value to at least £120,000....Since then 15 yr later i guess those figures have more than doubled again..... When rent=mortgage how are u supposed to save for house, flat, or garage...i think i saved enough for a delux wheelie-bin........Good luck

seanpennatgmail Indeed. Now we have Chris grayling and Diane Abbott. God help us

@J LD check out Mark Blyth (lefty) intelligent economist....with a sense of humour..& predictive power

@J LD What he recommended was as short term solution. (Hayak predicted long term stagflation several decades b4 happen! which was considered impossible by keynsians).. Schacht was for a time loved for his role in the German "economic miracle", A myth ( Ponzi scheme- only sustainable by warfare & stealing) only believed by extreme right & left

@@chrish2359 too cruel couldnt abbot be minister for mathematics & Defunding police

& only getting job cos black women who shags leader( thou she probably lost the last position) ....Dont worry i think USA 'arris may be copycat

Powell was a member of the Mont Pellerin society. Google it and you'll understand why he had this view and where it came from.

Also back then people were paid cash weekly via their pay packet (which was an actual packet i.e. an envelope handed to them every Friday) rather than directly to their bank account monthly.

not obscure at all (kind of wrongly redefined into political term slur of torys) Marx & Mao were monetarists-In very simple terms just means if eg have gold based currency & lots of gold discovered prices go up-same with fiat currency

@@adamtal7569 Monetarism isn't anything like obscure now, but it was in 1970.

The banks own and fund the governments though, infact they pretty much through their family dynasty bloodlines own everything in the entire world. To deal with the problem of usury, you need to remove those that want it there.

Classical liberal means state capitalist elitist. Screw powel and Thatcher, all they did was increase unemployment, destroy British industry, sell of the assets, and see the share of profit go entirely to the rich and retried.

​@@fuckfannyfiddlefart No it doesn't. And when Thatcher came into office, the post-war consensus economy was already a dead horse, which we had to stop flogging. And perhaps you should look at the effects of flooding the lower end of the employment market with cheap migrant labour which the Left love to do.

Powell was a classical conservative

@@fuckfannyfiddlefart& blair copied her polices! PPE to the max ,sold off NHS & rented back at ludicrous costs that future govt.s has to still pay(dont mention the war)

Two words you used Thatcher and economic recovery. Try telling that to the millions of workers whose jobs disappeared eg steel workers, car industry, ship yards, mining. Vast majority of workers were from northern England and Scotland, who were unemployed. 3 million unemployed. Riots breaking out all over England in '81. Dark times for thousands of families.

Really !

Amanda Hughes very well said

Someone once remarked to Nye Bevan, born the next town over, that Roy Jenkins did not seem ambitious enough. Bevan replied that, "anyone who came from South Wales and taught themselves to speak like that is clearly very ambitious."

JRM

I doubt the current parliament in it's entirety could match either of them for intellect or articulacy.

@@simongaines7347 agreeed

You poor soul. Fancy being transfixed by an eccentric from an increasingly distant past. Perhaps you'd be better spending your time in the modern world

@@th8257 do u think his ,at the time his outragious estimats of immigration were an ovrstimate or underestimate (sadly some racists can abuse facts)

Old school

They didn't live in a world of mass media and soundbites. They could afford to be honest.

Technically ,speaking purely as an economist ,so were Marx & even the Leninist Mao. ~(Dont know what OG means) but basically lso economically Monetarists.........Also please check out Mark Blyth (a lefty) political economist whom i admire

So was Milton Friedman, who won the Nobel prize for this economic theory, although Hayek still considered him a Keynesian. Both were eventually proved to be right: if a government spends more money than it raises in revenue, it will either have to raise taxes or borrow to bridge the deficit. If tries to square the circle by printing money (EG "quantative easing") to repay that it has borrowed to keep taxes low, money loses value in the form of inflation. "The Incomes Policy" - government trying to control prices and wages to manage inflation is a symptom of the disease, which is printing more money to borrow more money to pay government expenditure that taxation could never afford in the first place. It's simple, really. No one needs a Nobel prize in Economics or Powell's intelligence to understand it. Roy Jenkins understands it. The difference is that Powell was being honest, and Jenkins was not. As Orwell said: "We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men."

@@bobbytalksalot I would advise re-reading the comment.

@@bobbytalksalot Yes, you've clearly missed the point Dragon Energy made, haven't you? Let me simplify it for you - Powell. The greatest Prime Minister England never had. Do you get it now???

If only he had been PM. This beautiful country could still have kept those good old days of Jimmy Savile and Myra Hindley. 😢

…..they’d be white, privileged and racist within 10 seconds.

30 seconds

2 seconds🙃

She'd just call them racists and then pretend that all their statements are stupid and beneath her.. and her constituents would think she showed them and continue to vote for her. It's not the quality of the politicians that has declined; it is merely symptomatic of the decline of the average British voter - just as Powell predicted.

Racism and misogyny is no argument.

@@ishaanrahman9880 Firstly Ishaan, i don't hate the country that i live in. I merely hate the people that run it. To leave would make them the "winner". Something, old boy, i am not prepared to do. Secondly, i was referencing your comment about if Britain's dislike newcomers into our country, then us Brits should leave others. Erm, no Ishaan, it does not work like that. You see Ishaan, my point was that us "Brits" would have worked damn hard to gain entry into Australia, Canada, New Zealand et al. Whilst "foreigners", of any kind, are let into our society "gung ho" by all too willing politicians, eager to gain cheap labour for their business associates. A completely different scenario entirely...thank you very much!! So, my first comment stands!

@@ishaanrahman9880 Why are you now talking about the "British Empire"? The British Empire ceased to exist 60 or 70 years ago!!! Australia, Canada and NZ have been independent for donkey's years! Plus, don't do us any "favours" when it comes to immigration. Besides, there was no mention of the "British Empire" in your original question! We are talking about the here and now! Look, your first theory is deeply flawed. Because not all of us are on a "level playing field". THAT IS WHY! Firstly, to gain access into Australia, Canada and NZ it is almost impossible unless you have the skill sets or are prepared to do the cheap labour that is required. So, let's say, a Filipino has a greater chance of entry to those countries than a UK national ever would (in the here and now)! Not only because they are generally higher educated than us Brits (because they have to get ahead in life), but are also prepared to be paid peanuts for their troubles (because they come from a poor country). Now let's take the UK...the UK, especially under Blair, let every TOM, DICK and HARRY into our country. Even those who couldn't speak our language. Do you know that 20% of Oldham doesn't even speak a word of English?? That can't be right!! All to replace the working class man, in this country, so as to make his business "buddies" even richer and to rub the noses of "diversity" into Social Conservatives wounds. Your argument is horrendously flawed, because what you are trying to say is what is good for the goose is good for the gander. However, the gander (the native Aussie, Canadian or New Zealander), is much , much, more protected in their native country than the goose is (the native Brit), ever would be in his country. So, it is NOT an equal argument! Oh and of course immigration partly causes wage suppression. Any dummy can see that. Less jobs. Increased competition for jobs. Less (or the tightening) of welfare payouts. All adds up to less wages. Jesus, you sound like a right winger if ever i heard one!!

@@ishaanrahman9880 Absolute poppycock! At no point at the start of our conversation were you ever talking about imperial Britain. The conversation was very much about the "here and now" and not something that happened 100 years ago! You are just shifting the goalposts to suit your own agenda. However, if you want to play it that way, then it is fine. So, why should people born in our former colonies, let's say, over the last 60 years, have to be repriated because we won't take modern foreigners in? Every country has its own specific needs at a certain time in history, as I am sure that you will agree. So, why dump people that were actually born there(second and third generation) of immigrants, just because we can't fit anymore immigrants in our country now? Why should they suffer? It is the most absurd solution i have ever heard! What is it you don't understand exactly ? We are full to the brim. A country that is (roughly) a third of the size of France with a population that is roughly about the same. Where is your common sense? It just sounds like a very "fishy" case of some sort of blackmail to me. As for wage compression? Again, it does happen. Now, I am fully aware that immigrants also pay well into the system. So, it balances things out somewhat. But wage compression DOES still happen. But interestingly to note, nobody on the Liberal left ( which is the Conservative right in reality), never talks about morality. They never talk about what is right and what is wrong. And believe me, importing half the world to replace the indigenous people of this country is wrong...very wrong, at whatever the cost to whom!!

@@ishaanrahman9880 Look Ishaan, nice try...but one question? How on earth can Imperial settlers leave those countries when these countries have been independent for donkey's years?? Those "Imperial settlers", as i am sure you would agree, would be long, long dead by now. What do you propose to do, dig them up and carry them out in their coffins?!! I am sure that you would also agree that anybody who was born in those countries, after independence, would not be an "Imperial settler", but a subject of that country and its laws. These people would be second or third generation immigrants, who were born and belong in that country, anyway! The comment, in your message, that i responded to clearly states "newcomers" into our country. So how can it be that you propose that those countries get rid of "imperial settlers", which of course they can't do because they are already dead, if we get rid of newcomers??!! To me, it just doesn't make sense!! As for hypocrisy? Naturally we can't undo what has happened a 100 years before. However, let me tell you, the world now isn't the same as it was before. In fact, people now (in some quarters), would definitely say that the black man has the "whip hand" over the white man. Oh, and please don't use the "karma" angle. I am sick to death of morons using karma as a justification to what is happening now. 100 years ago when we were colonising the shit out of countries, the rich got richer and the poor saw nothing. Fast forward to today with mass immigration...and again the rich still get richer and the poor still see nothing. So even the "karma" angle is flawed. I believe that, Ishaan, that is the angle that you are really taking us down here. It doesn't work, honey...because either way, whether it be 100 years ago or now, the outcomes are still the exact same! The rich get richer the poor get poorer. So there is NO karma!

@@ishaanrahman9880 Look Ishaan...the political establishment is left wing. Whether it be Labour, Liberal or the Conservative parties, All of them are left wing!! Anybody with opposing views are scowled and scorned at. If you are a single mother of four children, who loves abortion, has been divorced 5 times, comes out as lesbian and all believes we should "hug a hoodie", you will be fawned all over. If you are a white, Christian Conservative, you will be sneered at and deemed ready for the "funny farm". It all starts at school (liking the cool music teacher) and being called a "bible basher" if you don't. And is written all over our press. I mean, god...how left wing is the BBC??!! I couldn't even dream of saying things to you (i wouldn't anyway), that i could say 20 or 30 years ago. Plus, if you go into any job these days, we are trained to give that job to any one eyed, three armed, Black lesbian from Rotherham that goes for it. Anything that is a minority these days has the "whip hand". Anything otherwise is surplus to requirements. You only have to look at the Muslim grooming scandal and the time it took the police to do anything about it to see this. In my opinion NOBODY should have the whip hand over anybody.

True...but it was one step backward for two steps forward, and Margaret Thatcher was the only leader of the day that could keep their nerve and see the sunlit uplands. There is no absolute truth in economics, it's a dark art and complex beyond the ability of man to truly predict outcomes to policy in an absolute way, but balancing the two priorities of living within your means and borrowing to fund sensible future investment will pay dividends overall, both in government and private finances

So we are in the sunlit uplands now then ? Yes economics is an inaccurate science but the monetarists of the Tory party in the late seventies and early eighties did not acknowledge that and their dogmatism damaged many lives.

" borrowing to fund sensible future investment" Why borrow at all? Why have debt-money?

Same for most every western country. Thatcher was just one pawn among many.

@@rogercliftonville-acton1574 'Why borrow at all? Why have debt-money?' You saved up for your home and didn't get a mortgage, I assume. Imagine you are unemployed and need to get a suit for an interview. You borrow to buy the suit, you go to the interview, you are offered the job. You can now repay the money you borrowed for he suit, can stop claiming benefit, can pay taxes, can spend and create more jobs. But you wouldn't borrow the money for the suit. You'd stay unemployed.