OK, so a quick pinned comment. Despite at no point was "offhand" stated as being a condition, or written in the rules as a condition, as of 202405012047 CET, we've had 3 people already think that it has to be shot offhand, specifically "standing offhand". That would be totally silly ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'll add to this list every time I see someone else make the same assumption... But please, the rules are anything as long as the butt is in contact with your shoulder (i.e. "from the shoulder")... EDIT 202405012119 CET: 4 people... EDIT 202405012125 CET: 5 people...

10.5 Pounds??? What are you insane? Where am I supposed to find a rifle that shoots 1MOA for just over thirteen dollars?

I shot 30 rounds through the exact same hole (my muzzle device). By extrapolating this, I think my 22lr is sub-moa up to a kilometer at least

I've heard so many strange statements from people that i believe a majority doesnt even understand what MOA - minute of angle really means. It's not a measurement of size or accuracy, it's a measurement of an angle. 1MOA makes a cone the size of approximately 1 inch at 100 yards. If you half the distance, you half the size of the cone - so 1MOA at 50 yards is approximately 0.5 inch. The thing is that if you ever tried shooting a 1MOA group with 10 rounds, you will know that it isnt simple - as far as i'm aware no service rifle is able to do it. There are not many rifles even on a civilian market that can do it, especially if we exclude the super expensive and specialized benchrest and F-class rigs. I cant wait to see the entries :)

I don't know what you are talking about, my pitted mosin gets 1 inch 1 shot groups all of the time.

I was talking with a friend of mine who does 3-Gun (as do I) and I told him that I'd found a commercial 55 grain load that my rifle liked because it would consistently shoot 2MOA groups. My friend threw his head back and roared with laughter before declaring that "2MOA is terrible". I opined that 2MOA would keep your group on an IPSC target out to 900 yards if you knew your elevation holds. He'd never seemed to have thought of it that way; he was just so conditioned to think that 1MOA is the bare minimum standard (because that's what everyone claims that their rifle can do) that a bigger number than that was automatically "terrible"... and that's from a guy who actually shoots!

Any Lee-enfield Should be able to do Half MOA groups! (Meter of Angle that is).😇

Matt & Ivan bit = Solid Gold. ♡♡♡♡♡

I'm never gonna make it, but I love the challenge and sure will try! Worst thing that happens is I go to the range and have a delightful time.

100% agree that most dudes screaming about having a 1/sub moa rig are only shooting 3-5 rd groups. That shit is so much harder to achieve than people realize.

I'm doubtful about 1 MOA for ten shots, but I can pull off oddball rifle and caliber. I'm in.

Can wait to see what Le Chap drags out for this one

When I started shooting, my friends cautioned me about Fudd interactions at the range. Of course now I have the profile of a Fudd, I got old.

This video was an absolute hoot! Those old fudds are exactly what I hear everytime at the range.

Bloke: Hey Matt, I wanted to ask you, you know that thing you do on your show ... Matt and Ivan: Say no more, we got you fam! Now 2 minutes straight that's a feat, we're inching ever closer to a dedicated channel.

How about a .740 cal match lock? I can't guarantee all the shots will be on the target but you can definitely tell where they have gone......😄

Thanks for this challenge and very honest comments! I am donating this way instead of the coffee site. Just watched the 9-Hole review, good stuff.

That is one great idea. I hope for people to go absolutely nuts with it, so you get many, many entries with lots of different stuff.

Oh I am firstly totally doing this with my CZ555 skinny barrel deer blaster, and I'm so glad that I haven't got round to replacing the factory bedding yet!

n = x/y-z x = number of rifles capable of 1MOA under 10.5 lbs y = number of people capable of 1 MOA with 10 consecutive rounds from the shoulder z = non compliant entries submitted as genuine n = half of fuck all

The lightest rifle I own that I think could do this is 13.9lbs... I guess ill just have to keep making unsubstantiated claims😅.

Will defo give this ago, could be fun. Still, I hunt, so for me the first round is the most important in regards to precise placement and desired effect.

Really cool idea for a segment. Looking forward to entering and watching.

8/10 in .8 of an inch or so is me best at 100 yards two flyers where on me bad break of the trigger.. this was with a strait pull AR. Sierra matchkings handloads. It’s not as easy as it’s made out to be.

Amazing fun.

"Sheeeit, I could do that" 10 pounds or less "Fuck 😂"

Can't use PRS guns? How am I supposed to get muh 1 MOA all day long without my 24.5# rifle?

I'm up for the challenge!

Minute of gong, all day long.

Outstanding, great idea! I´ll definetely take part after the snow is gone away from my shooting range. Ideally, I think you should do this annual match like Riflechair has done with the Cabin Fever Challenge.

STAND AND DELIVER

Finally someone making sense and pointing out the bogus MOA guarantees. 20-30 rounds would be better but I'll bet almost none of the factory "sporter" rifles that have MOA guarantees are capable of a 10 round MOA group (even with appropriate cooling). Certainly not for 20-30 shots, especially if it spans multiple days. It would be incredibly good to be able to do 1.5 MOA with that many shots. All of the rifle reviewers will stop at their first 3 shot group, throw out fliers, etc... Worthless reviews. Where it matters is those of us wanting to be able to take long range hunting shots at 500+ yards. Turns out the limitation is more likely accuracy and not energy. If you are likely shooting a "2 MOA gun all day", you can't shoot accurately enough to hit a deer with 10" vitals past 500 yards.

I'm going to enter with my Ruger model 96, with its incredible 14 pound trigger weight. There's nothing technically wrong with the gun, that's how they are from factory. I would be surprised if I could pull off 3 MOA.

I'd love to see Henry from 9 Hole Reviews run this with his SG 550. I don't know if my rifles could do it, but I do know I'm not that good.

I'm about as morally certain as I can possibly be without having yet actually gone to the range, that I cannot get a 1MOA 10-rd group at any meaningful range from any of my rifles. But I'm tempted to try it all the same, and maybe submit both my best and worst attempts for the lulz.

"Suck the chrome off a bumper" 😂

Exccellent impression 2:46 - 5:00 which makes me giggle. I might add that an awfully heavy and mushy trigger probably adds something to the overall dispersion on top of everything else...

I was at the 200 yard range on Saturday with my 6 arc ar15 and was hitting just under 1moa with a bipod and rear bag from prone but my rifle is a touch over 12 lbs so looks like I'm outside the rules of the challenge. This sounds really fun though.

Hi, the weight limit is more challenging than I expected… I suppose the weight limit is with out bipod, as with sand bags as front rest I doubt that someone can make the limit 🤣🤣🤣 Interesting challenge, but with this weight limit it won’t be a budget rifle but I am interested to see how my Kipplauf will perform with a string greater than 3… 🧐🙈👍 Thanks for setting up the challenge. Mike

I'll have to give it a try with my outdated CZ527 Varmint Kevlar chambered in .223 Rem (with handloads). Nothing else in my centrefire inventory is eligible.

My rifle probably a 1 MOA gun. The problem is my eyes are 20 MOA anymore. Hope all the fudds will get out and try this and finally stop bragging about how good their gun and skill is.

This sounds like fun. I have no chance of even getting close but It'd be fun to compare my two 1943 rifles from the opposing sides, K98, and No4 Mk1 and see by how much they each fail.

I have rifles that can do this but they're far too heavy and matchy. I have rifles that are light enough but wouldn't stand a chance of 1 MOA even strapped to a bench on an indoor range.

Well that was an unexpected FuddBusters cameo PS: I'm using a rear bag, get wreck't

This looks like a ton of fun! I genuinely do not think I can pull it off but I am gonna go full FUDD on at least 1 attempt. Rem700 30-06 I inherited from my grandpa with bulk "M1 Garand" ammo. Again, chances are total fail but it sounds like a blast. Gotta try with 2 other out of spec rigs that are heavier than allowed but I still have doubts I can pull it off. Just sounds like a fun challenge to practice precise accuracy, 1 MOA or not.

Backfire just did a similar challenge, only 5 rounds instead of 10. And no limits on what gun can be used. Even with expensive PRC rifles people had a hard time hitting 1 moa and only one person managed to do it.

Ooooh, time to bust out all my FSB builds

Found this after someone posted a link to this on an Aussie hunting forum, lots of discussion about this very thing over the past few months. Have 4 rifles that I class as moa rifles only 2 meet the weight limit. Most interesting to try will be a sako quad as a switch barrel dont know if is one entry or four but will try and get it shot with 17HM2 17HMR 22LR & 22WMR and submit some results. Has been 10-15years since I did some extensive 22lr testing with it. At the time it would average 0.8-0.9moa with premium ammo it liked over a box firing a mix of 5 & 10 shot groups. Time to see if it still as consistent.

Fudd skit was perfect.

I always get 1MOA on my one shot groups.

My first 3 round out of my MAC 90 clover leafed at 25 yds, never did it again, open sights btw. Usually 2.5 - 3 moa

I like how you guys really making sure this can't be cheated like backfire. He just said it had to he factory didn't say it couldn't by and AI AXMC. The wieght limit really does limit it big time and kicks out the three guns I know could do it

Looking forward to it! My local range only has an electronic system with no provision for actually looking at the holes on paper; will it be OK if I take pictures of the output screen and calculate it from there?

I work part time at a bass pro and this is legit the stuff i hear about all day. If you believed my customer base, then every savage axis 2 sold is sub moa with the 3x9 scope. Every m1a ever is sub moa out of the box and so much better then the matel 16 they will tell you they had in nam that got their buddy killed since they took away the m14 for being too accurate.

Okay, i tried it with my M16A1, i get around 10 MOA because my shooting suck. Unfortunately, the range i visit dont allow filming.

Does Chap plan on using a muzzleloader for this challenge? 😅

I unintentionally shot it with my CZ 457 MTR the other weekend (group size was about 0.6 moa) but it's well outside the weight limit lol

🪄 The magical cone of dispersion🐒

I think I'll give this a go with my new savage 308

Time to break out the scale and weigh the old rifles...

Me and my 91/30 will show you what a "minute of man" group really looks like. Challenge accepted!

All-right. I'll take any excuse to get out on the range and challenge myself! (There is no-way in hell that i'm going to achieve this, but a college try is in order methinks)

Out of personal interestI might have to try this with my uk 12ft/lb HW99 and BSA Super10 air rifles. Of course at 50 yards, it would have to be 0.5 inch groups.

I used to have a DPMS 24" bull barrel .223 1in9 twist that would put 20 shot's in a .25" at 100 yds every time

It would be massively entertaining to see Mike go to town on Tac Ops and their overpriced voodoo bullshit, "0.25MOA guarantee! (based off a 2 round group using ammo that we select and won't tell you the chrono and batch data of fired at 25y and extrapolated based on muh feels on the day)".

I think im gonna do a video with my savage mark ii 22lr and submit i could pull it off if not its gonna be alot fun

I know this is supposed to be a semi serious challenge, but I'm really hoping someone like British Muzzleloaders comes along and makes 1 MOA with a baker rifle and sheer grit or something completely left field

The 10.5 lbs kills it for my 16” AR10. It doesn’t have a stainless match barrel or anything, but she’s a porker at 11.75lbs with optic.

Is there a time limit? Lol or should we just load super light to avoid heat?

I'm so IN!

All the collegiate/olympic precision rifle mfs with their crazy shooting suits looking at this challenge and drooling. Precision rifles might be a bit heavy but the technique and suits should make it easy with some guns

Hold my beer....

I have a 7.9lb hunting rifle that I am confident is a 1moa rifle. That is, I have tested this with 20rd groups and achieved 1moa or less consistently. I am confident that the dispersion of this rifle/shooter system, excluding longer range ballistic effects, will allow me to hit a 1moa target consistently. It is a .223, and custom built with a cut-rifled match barrel. I am very interested to see the collective results of this. I've been trying to communicate this point to the internet for about 12 years now: 3 shot groups are a poor sample from which to infer anything; 5 shot groups are little better.

Ok..Ill play. 10.5lbs and under rifle..filmed..shot from the shoulder...1 chance.. Ima do it for the bullpups! My Mdrx in 308 is heavier than the 10.5lbs..but will submit it anyways. Now to select 2 that will meet the weight criteria...hrmm

Dangit!!! I just checked, and my Bergara HMR Pro with scope tips the scales at 11.5 lbs. That rifle, with my best handloads, will shoot 1/2 MOA 5-shot groups all day long, so I'm pretty confident it would keep 10 rounds under 1 MOA. Hmmm... maybe my 700...

My Swiss K31 meets the spec as 8.6lb in weight and made by the million so decision made. Knowing 1 MOA is a proper challenge, I decided to give myself some motivation by looking up results from a large competition in Switzerland's last Eidgenössische Schützenfest. Turns out over 20,000 entrants shot it with old and new Swiss service rifles, almost all firing off rests or bipods, and with plenty using rifles that have been expensively upgraded with match barrels, target sights, and other permitted tweaks. How many scores of 100? A big, fat, not a single one. Worse, just a single, as in 1 in 21139, score of 99. Confidence waning. But hang on, in competition the group has to be both small and well-centred, and 300m is far enough for a breeze to nudge shots sideways, so it is harder. On the other hand, the 10-ring is 1.2 MOA, which if you believe in maths makes it almost one and a half times more roomy than 1 MOA. This is going to be tricky. Still, my main takeaway is that all those people didn't do well because they weren't using my rifle, which really is wunmowahawlday gun. Dammit, I may have to shoot offhand just to be fair to the rest of you.

There is a zero percent chance i can get 1 MOA with ten shots with even the finest rifle But i can give it a try, ive got some contenders. Ill load up some match ammo.

I just imagine someone with a SRS A2 in 330 NM with a Primary Arms Compact PLxC 1-8x24 saying it fair because it under 10.5lbs.

I wonder which cartridge is going to be the most stand out? I think 22 rimfire may have the best potential but it seems there's just more large-bore rifle shooters out there.

EDIT I watched your entry and you mention this is your intention next time, can't wait to see the results. I dislike the concept of, "I'm tired of companies claiming 1 MOA guns when they are not," but also, "No bench rests, from the shoulder." There are at least 2 different philosophies you guys are poking fun at here. One being companies making false claims, the other being people. Both of these, I obviously believe are true, but the competition does not provide any useful data because it will leave both still in question. When nobody shoots 1 MOA, we will never know if it is shooter or rifle. The point must just be because it is a fun competition, and I will likely give it a go, but I wish this had more useful standards from a data collection standpoint. There is such a vast data pool here to draw on with your community.

Ill see if I can get 1 moa out of a henry 44 mag lever action, (probably not but worth a shot).

The real statistic should be the CEP50 (circle in which 50% of shots land) for 100 rounds measured in milliradians.

I may have missed it, but Is rimfire OK? I've one of those that might get close to 1moa, my centrefires are 3-4 at best (ie not me shooting, will try them anyway if I can get to a suitable FB range in time). Edit: ah, 'cf.' for Centerfire, not some latin abreviation for 'that is' or 'for example'. Just the .38 then don't think I'll make a .303 range,

Since ya made a point about "$4000 accuracy machine"...maybe I don't enter the ol' HK lol

I'm not even one moa at 10 yards lol but that is standing. Sadly I don't have a range around where I live that has 50 plus yards to shoot at

I have to struggle with 1moa shooting off a rest with a gun capable of doing it. I couldn't shoot 1moa offhand if my mortal soul depended on it. OK I read the comment but I think 10 shots inside an inch, even from a rest is more than any rifle I own could do even if I could do so. My CZ 600 Trail in 7.62x39 would make me happy to put 10 rounds inside 2moa. I would love to hear about your handloads for the FrankenRifle.

I probably could with a good rifle that has a stock, (like a sako s20 varient) but only have access my tac a1 with the chassis, obviously over the weight limit and obviously capable of achieving sub moa, and a shitty ar15 that can't hold the moa after 3 shots so i guess i will pass on the challenge

Bloke, any idea of some button presses that could get your average old Polytronic 300m set up to give up the info needed? All I can think is to set it to A100 and take a photo. Also, how about honourable mentions for 1MOA elevation if it's shot at a distance where the wind might spread things out a bit?

I’ll give it a shot! Pun intended

I was sighting in my M1A a couple years ago and had 3 rds touching, i adjusted to where it needed and the next 2 rounds were alo touching but now in the center of the target. I said to myself "wow this is the best this thing has every shot, i must be doing something right" i got all excited and loaded up 10 more rounds and shot a 4.5 inch group lol, i was very disappointed.

Personally i trust my measuring with clipers way more than my acuracy with a rifle. My only current long gun is a rossi 92, and it does not claim any xMOA accuracy as far as i know, and neither do i. (my eyes constantly want to use the buckhorn sights wrong 😁)

I would do this with the M1903 or M1917 my dad sporterized decades ago but no range to do it on.

Yep. This is why people complain that their rifle "isn't consistent". It "isn't consistent" because they are shooting groups that are so small there is a huge expected statistical variation from group to group. Also, if you use MOA you are using an extremely inefficient metric for measuring precision.

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My gun will mot group off hand. I've tried everything relosds glass bedding barrel tuners. You name it I've yried it. It just won't shoot straight off hand

Crap. I just got back from the range and was going to submit my failure when I noticed the rules specified center fire rifles. I used a 22lr bolt action. Oh well, it was fun failing anyway. Oddly, every single group I would attempt, the very first shot was a flier. Discounting that, apparently I'm not a very good rifleman cause I was still grouping 1.92moa.

Alright, I'm gonna try this. I got a Ruger American 18" w/a magpul hunt stock w/ SWFA 10x scope. Lets see if I can get it done. It was able to put 1" w/ 5 rounds. Lets see. I got to weight it first. Does bipod count in the weight?

Sorry, no where to shoot my 303 that allows videoing any more. Other's are 22LR or air.

Ooooo! I have a rifle my T3ctr if I remove aftermarket stuff and stock. Bone stock and a not so heavy scope wold work😬

Afternoon all. Any recommendations for an app to use that's free? Yes, I'm tight 😁.