The show still fell down on its own premise, the pilot has the ship arriving at the very fringes of know space, well outside of the federation. Far point station should be around 2700-3000 lightyears from earth and the ships maximum speed means it should be a several year journey. Suggesting that it was built near by rather than back in the Sol system. Despite this the grew makes it back to earth approximately once a season on average. It should have been far more like Voyager from the outset but they didn't commit.

@@DrewLSsix it was never meant to be Voyager just because they where far away from Federation space, this was nowhere near voyager. Also they only go to earth twice, once was for the Borg invasion in the best of both worlds season 3-4

And there were at least a couple of times that they were docked at support stations.

@@scpguy1381 they went back to earth during season 1 or 2 when those parasites took over those 3 admirals as well

What if they encounter a UFO ?

Even if they didn’t - they’re much larger than Voyager. Over a 1000 people on board compared to 150-200 on Voyager. So it’s not hard to believe that the D would have a good sized compliment of torpedoes on board.

And by the 2370's it seems that ships have gotten the capability to replace their own photon torpedo's. Maybe antimatter generator tech had gotten more efficient enough for that.

@@steveleeart Photon Torpedo compliment for a Galaxy-class starship is around 250.

I think it was actually stated in canon once that the torpedo compliment on a Galaxy class, Pre-Venture refit(which added phasers to the nacelles and a rear facing saucer launcher in the seperation plane that had 75 torpedoes of its own), was 275 photon torpedoes.

They have 255 torps onboard.

"Ah! We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill; we come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, men."

​@@Torgo1001 I kid you not- that was the first thought that crossed my mind.

Almost like the difference between a new crew member full of piss and vinegar to one that was seasoned and disgruntled.

then in ds9 he 'killed' a bunch of 'civilians'

They probably top off inventory every time they visit a starbase. But they have the ability to manufacture more photon torps on the ship. They even manufacture advanced versions (tricobalt torps, quantum torps, chroniton torps, transphasic torps) in the novels.

@@pwnmeisterage Hell yeah!

also miscounts as the "full spread shot" particularly the stock footage from 0:26 fires 5 shots but the "counter" says 6.

Is it possible to replicate a photon torpedo?

@@steveperuski5547 I don't think one can replicate a whole torpedo. But one can replicate many parts, and manufacture others. Photons are not that advanced. The only component that is an expendable durable is the anti-matter for the warhead.

In retrospect, they should have sent a Galaxy class to the Delta quadrant. It has about 250 torpedos and a crew of about 1000. They wrote themselves into a corner with the smaller Voyager. Also the extras shown on the show (which in one episode even included the current king of jordan) surpassed the supposed crew of about 150 people by far.

@@paulanerruhrpott6188 TBF I think the premise was a small but long range ship surviving in the Delta Quadrant. While I do love the show, I think that part didn't pan out as well as it should have

They fixed that when they found in a few episodes trade agreements to replenish their torpedoes "IE make new ones" and the borg helped with that manufacturing process too... remember Intrepid class ships are not warships they are science vessels and Voyager did not even have the isometric lab till 7 of 9 suggested it and got it built that room was empty Voyager was highly advanced prototype vessel even had new Phaser Compression rifles they used martial found in the delta quadrant too build new stuff... and after Voyagers return the isometric lab was made standard on all Intrepid class ships, Galaxy class vessels added one too because you know it made sense too have a lab station dedicated too only planetary research and long range sensors... especially on science vessels and front line ships like the Galaxy class

You just replicate them. /s

@@calvinnickel9995 Well, yes. Just in the beginning they didn't have the resources to do so, hence the statement that they had no way to replace them. They also severely rationed replicator use to preserve resource reserves. It was poor writing though to never include them overcoming the resource restrictions on screen. Once they found/secured enough deuterium they'd have the energy reserves to make more torpedoes either by replicating components or generating antimatter. Also, given that a chunk of the crew were Maquis, who likely had limited weapons access, it's only logical that they'd know how to come up with methods for making their own torpedoes.

What does your girlfriend think of that analysis?

@@artonline01 she loves it thats why she married me for being so thorough

I don't think that's the case,they had budgetary constraints for the movie so the fx team just done the 1 photon torpedo when the dialogue for riker said "a spread that's also why the bop exploding is stock footage from the undiscovered country.

@mazzmo77 @mazzmo77 That's entirely possible, too. The movie was already past their budget, so they had to save money somewhere. I'm simply referring to the guides and blueprints of the Galaxy class starship for a canonical reason why we we saw one torpedo instead of multiple fired at the bird of prey in Generations when Riker said "Mr Worf prepare a spread of photon torpedos we have to hit them the instant they begin to cloak. We get one shot at this target, their primary reactor." We have seen in the series in the early seasons when the enterprise D fires a spread it comes out as 1 torpedo and then spreads into several. The best episode that comes to mind we see this in is Yesterday's Enterprise in season 3, and theres a few more I can't think off the top of my head. It could just be a whoopsie mistake they never fixed. Wouldn't be the first one and definitely not the last, Like in the Wrath of Kahn when the Enterprise is trying to escape Reliant in Mutara Nebula and they only had 4 minutes to warp out of the nebula. At one point, kirk asks savak Time from my mark, and she replies, "2 minutes 10 seconds," and then in the next scene, he asks again, and she says, "3 minutes 30 seconds. ".... the timer went up, lol 😆!?!? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hpyfrMx11tioops.htmlsi=gabmvL9MGbkvBE0e

i never noticed that😊​@@rikashya

when I told my gf the enterprise D actually held a total of 250 torpedoes she pulled down my pant and rubbed my man parts/

I'd heard that the visual effects for photon torpedoes post $5000 per shot, whereas phasers cost $3000 per shot. Thus Paramount's preference for using phasers.

Galaxy Class is a space station!

Or maybe there are still supply/cargo ships that can do the job as well.

Didn't Sisko say he had 3000 ready to go at one point?

@@drawingdead9025 Five thousand, which the Klingons thought incredulous. As a defense and resupply station, many of these would be transferred to Stafleet vessels in the area stopping over for repairs and resupply.

@Ministry Of Holiness It's a great call back to the pilot, only this time it flips it on its head.

A billion kajillion lol...and that didn't count the ones on Defiant plus quantum torpedoes 😉

Here ya go... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e9egZaeAtL2qoas.html

Oh, Voyager. That adds another layer to the issue at hand. 🚀 I bet the crew had a lot of extra time to slowly and carefully build more torpedoes. 😑😴 ➡️ 🛠️ They could have built a factory or workshop just for doing this, where back home they would need to get permission, only to be told to just pick up some more torpedoes when they'd dock at a starbase. 🙁 Voyager could have spent days or even weeks building and assembling and testing just one torpedo, while they were flying through a region of space with nothing interesting. 🛢️ Only to then have some new enemy come up on them, And the Captain order " Fire!" And watch it get exploded in just a handful of f seconds! 💥 😞

There was a episode on DS9 where the station got a upgraded load out of 5,000 torpedoes and phaser inplacements too.

@@walterhicksiii3525 I remember that one. O'Brian put that on to fight against the Klingons.

Bit nerdy

@@juicybear7696 kettle calling the coffee black aint it?

@@juicybear7696 not at all. Everything they said is true in canon.

How many Photon/Quantum did the Enterprise E carry I wonder? Because said they used up ALL of them against the Scimitar! Granted many of them missed because they couldn’t target a cloaked ship.

@@demariushenderson1802 The only cannon source i know of for the torpedo load for the Enterprise E is from Startrek Bridge Commander (where you command a Sovereign eventually) and thats 200 Photons and 80 Quantum's i dont think they launched all of the torps especially not the Quantum's in the fight with the Scimitar

Those were fired by the USS Syracuse secondary hull though.

Never mind.. just found that vid!

Yeah it's practically a mobile star base. With enough passenger and storage space to establish an entire new colony if need be.

250 i think

Uh.. with a replicator. I woild imagine such a long range ship would also have an antimatter generator like the Galaxy class. You can replicate almost anything-it’s just a question of your matter-energy budget.

I think that they actually said that same number on screen once.

Wieso sollten die auch Zählen?Es war ne alternative Zeitlinie die nie entstanden ist

That has never been established in canon.

Assuming you mean the Enterprise D, yes, she did have "ample" nacelles.

D never had quantum torps

And transphasic in the novels specifically to slice open Borg cubes.

@@Zhortac i wanted him to do an episode about quantum torpedos

I wouldn’t. It is generally presented that they are also a defense force aside from their exploratory, scientific, and diplomatic duties. Yes, starfleet is the military of the federation. They are still prepared and trained to fight, most starfleet personnel have a firearm and are expected to be proficient. Also, most starfleet vessels are well armed and defended for their size and intended role. As well they should be. We saw the results of the enterprise b leaving space dock without adequately equipped weapons and basic systems. They have to be ready for anything. Additionally, from the time the first truly deep space vessel (nx01) left earth they found out fast the necessity of having well armed starships.

The casings and components aren't the issue, it's getting the antimatter for the warheads without taking it from the main reactors fuel. This seems to be solved by the 2370's though. Possibly the antimatter generator tech was then efficient enough to create it for warheads. Voyager had 38 torpedo's initially (although I don't think that is representative for the class) and fired well over 100 over the course of their journey.

@@02ujtb00626 Exactly.

I believe they do have a limited capacity to manufacture some torpedoes when necessary. Of course, they would have to take some antimatter from the ship’s antimatter storage pods that are normally used to fuel the warp drive to arm the warheads. Of course, it would usually be simpler and easier to simply rearm and replenish at the next starbase layover in space dock.