Ep. 111 | To SBR or Not to SBR?

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Күн бұрын

Jimmy and Mark are joined by Reuben Aleckson and Adam Maxwell to talk SBR’s (Short Barreled Rifles). Why are they so hot right now? Why do so many people assume they’re impossible to attain? With pistol brace “Technology” making pistol AR’s closer and closer to their rifle counterparts these days, is it still worth it to SBR your lower? Do people just do it to be cool or are there serious practical applications to a shorter barrel? And of course - WHAT ABOUT VELOCITY?!? Answers to these questions and so much more are ready to fill your ears in this episode!
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@Wolf_Avery
@Wolf_Avery Жыл бұрын
How has no one commented that the NFA was originally trying to go after HANDGUNS and that’s how SBRs became a thing.
@whisper8742
@whisper8742 8 ай бұрын
Their education and research only went so far... ALL Firearms is the End Goal.
@chipsterb4946
@chipsterb4946 6 ай бұрын
@@whisper8742but historically the push in the early 1930s was to eliminate handguns, not rifles or shotguns. Not that I support gun control, but at least they were trying to go after the class of firearms used most often in crime. As opposed to “evil black rifles” …
@SnapD24
@SnapD24 2 жыл бұрын
I like the idea of SBRs. I hate the idea of having to register to have them. It's dumb.
@xyswazy6715
@xyswazy6715 2 жыл бұрын
Make it a AR pistol
@firefly9838
@firefly9838 11 ай бұрын
"Have" to? That's just what they want you to believe. Only 18% of SBR owners register. Not like anything is happening to the very, very silent millions of others who don't.
@kirk4478
@kirk4478 2 жыл бұрын
Great informative Podcast by the way. None of the info has not been known already by Gun Guys during my entire life,,its great to see its not forgotten though and actualy Passionatly studied and learned and shared by young Men in the best Voice to Ear Platform available so Keep it Up Guys!!
@slammedsilvias6628
@slammedsilvias6628 Жыл бұрын
Hi, from the future, what y’all were saying about them making pistol braces an nfa item, well it’s here 😁
@BurnDuration
@BurnDuration 4 жыл бұрын
We do put pistol braces on full length uppers in CA, as they are called “others.” Check Franklin Armory Title 1.
@Hubbahubba480
@Hubbahubba480 4 жыл бұрын
Love this Talk keep it up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@mr.lovell3645
@mr.lovell3645 Жыл бұрын
I have a 300 Hamr 18inch barrel AR15 and its awesome! Best 30 cal shot out of a ar15 platform!
@PapaDon850
@PapaDon850 Жыл бұрын
I love the 11.5” length, the best general purpose SBR/Pistol length. It tends to be less temperamental, longer barrel life and wear, and above 2850fps for a perfect 0-300 yard range. The overall length doesn’t feel too short or too long.
@pin_high
@pin_high 3 жыл бұрын
IMO the ONLY reason to go the SBR route is if you absolutely need the rigidity and shoulder area of a stock. I find no other reason to go through the process of asking the ATF for permission to have an SBR, when you can get one of the many great options from SB tactical. PRO's of a brace: - Concealed carry in your car of you live in a state where they restrict your ability to carry around a rifle - No need to notify the ATF when traveling throughout the states - No $200 tax - No direct record of you having it - No wait Easy choice if you ask me.
@EDDSkitz
@EDDSkitz 2 жыл бұрын
Free men don't ask permission.
@pin_high
@pin_high 2 жыл бұрын
@@EDDSkitz agreed
@JB-qt3wo
@JB-qt3wo 2 жыл бұрын
IF you have to use that weapon. Or you get pulled over while in possession of it, OR you simply go to the range and someone gets nosey, based upon the ATF’s recent interpretations that AR-Pistol can be determined by any number of criteria to be a SBR (arbitrarily) and you can be charged with a felony. Have fun fighting that “unconstitutional rule” in court. Hopefully you have hundreds of thousands of dollars in the bank and can afford to stick it to the man on all of our behalf. Otherwise you’re taking a big risk.
@pin_high
@pin_high 2 жыл бұрын
@@JB-qt3wo lol ok. My life and my family’s lives are worth infinitely more than some arbitrary gun law made by people who are protected by the very guns they seek to regulate. I’d be curious to know what your favorite flavor of boot is…
@jnananinja7436
@jnananinja7436 2 жыл бұрын
@@JB-qt3wo I think they give you the option of paying the 200 and going SBR.
@deltamike3418
@deltamike3418 3 жыл бұрын
In the PNW, we usually just say "short mag", but I'll have to remember wizm for next time I run into a Texan ;) NFA stuff sounds fun, addictive, and expensive: an AKV, BRN-180 in 300 BO, and Mk. 18 would be a good start. I've been enjoying the podcast, keep it up!
@cdcarias95
@cdcarias95 3 жыл бұрын
I hate WA State
@nuprin503
@nuprin503 4 жыл бұрын
Overall length is less than 26”, considered SBR also... ie 16” barrel but overall length is 23”, would fall under NFA as SBR if it has a buttstock. I love your podcasts fellas!!
@VortexNation
@VortexNation 4 жыл бұрын
Great addition there! Thanks for tuning in :)
@kirk4478
@kirk4478 2 жыл бұрын
ATF is a Regulatory,,NOT Law making Buracracy. Look up and see how many convictions there have been on 25 inch folding stock 16" barreled rifles!! Not trying to be a Peen,,i jus cannot stand these arbitrary rules that i have spent my life spending tons of money following,,when they are moatly scare tactics and get pressed Mostly if you use your firearm in a crime. NY made me turn in my 200+ all date marked Pre- Ban M16 and AR15 mag collection that were legal MY WHOLE ADULT LIFE from 1996 on,,and suddenly in 2012 Gov Cuomo,,yea thats the same one who jus got shitcanned,,well bonehead made them all Illegal overnight. No Amnesty,,no more Grandfathed as they are proven made before any ban. Jus your a Felon now,,and your $5000 mag collection is not only a Felony today,,it needs to be GIVEN to the Police haha. I sold them shits on Ebay that week. Scumbag Cuomo.🤙
@UncleDanBand64
@UncleDanBand64 4 жыл бұрын
I think with the awesome brace market.....just go AR pistol👍🇺🇸
@VortexNation
@VortexNation 4 жыл бұрын
And Adam would respond "Then why don't they put those braces on full length rifles?" ;) Lol in all fairness - the braces we have available to us now days are pretty amazing. That said, overnight they could suddenly become no longer legal... If you've got an SBR you never have to worry about any of that... or at least you're much less likely to need to worry.
@Not-a-bot222
@Not-a-bot222 4 жыл бұрын
Isn’t it pathetic we even have to worry about being labeled a felon overnight because of a piece of plastic or composite and the length of a piece of metal
@logant4217
@logant4217 3 жыл бұрын
@@VortexNation you can keep a loaded pistol in your car but not a loaded rifle. (in some states) same with open carry, some states u cant open carry a rifle but you can open carry a handgun. and crossing state lines with an SBR is a joke. havent finished the podcast yet so maybe you addressed this already
@Brock_CO
@Brock_CO 3 жыл бұрын
@@logant4217 couldn't you just pull the mag out and be good to go?
@fuhq5121
@fuhq5121 2 жыл бұрын
@@Brock_CO no
@thedreamdennis1853
@thedreamdennis1853 4 ай бұрын
Good stuff guys
@BigRob345
@BigRob345 Жыл бұрын
ATF has gone rogue since this video, and determined every braces AR pistol as a SBR
@dud3man6969
@dud3man6969 2 жыл бұрын
The main thing I hate about having to get an AFA tax stamp for anything is the fact that I would be added to a federal database (watch list) like a sex offender or something.
@grantacoatneysr9657
@grantacoatneysr9657 2 жыл бұрын
TAX STAMPS re ILLIGAL! Tea tax is what started our road to FREEDOM ! 1776 !
@UncleDanBand64
@UncleDanBand64 4 жыл бұрын
I watched this show for over an hour but once you said whizm WSM, I got pissed as Texan and watched the rest of it😂👍🇺🇸
@themaddrabbit1
@themaddrabbit1 2 жыл бұрын
This is a love/hate… Love you guys and a new subscriber! The content and level of communication with your guests have been A1. The only hate is that I am late to your party… You guys have so much good content. It’s going to take me forever to catch up…
@calicojack556
@calicojack556 3 жыл бұрын
Ballistics is also a consideration; at 10.5" you really are reducing the velocity of 5.56 to the point where you are on the envelope for good lethality at mid range. In my opinion, 11.5" or 12.5" or even 14.5" is a nice sweet spot for 5.56 (an M4 is 14.5"). My favorite 5.56 SBR's have 12.5 and 14.5 barrels. For 300 Black, different story. 300 Black will perform well out of a 10.5" barrel, and a 10.5" 300 Black rifle with a suppressor is pure nirvana.
@nk-dw2hm
@nk-dw2hm 2 жыл бұрын
It's always seemed foolish to me that people get like 7" barrel ar pistols in .223/5.56 when you're neutering the cartridge. Get a pcc or 300blk or a bullpup and have a useful weapon
@KayoMonei
@KayoMonei 2 жыл бұрын
What about 11.3 100-300 yards 🤔
@calicojack556
@calicojack556 2 жыл бұрын
@@KayoMonei Close enough.
@jnananinja7436
@jnananinja7436 2 жыл бұрын
Good to hear as this is my nascent understanding too. Been trying to decide among 10.5-12.5 for a build for a 5.56 receiver. I’d love to go shorter than 10” but definitely want 300 or 9mm for that. Not interested in going deaf. Blackout is tempting but with SHTF consideration, I’ll probably go 9mm for ammo availability. I’ve also learned that a shorter barrel is actually more accurate, but yeah, the 556 is high velocity and it seems noobie and stupid to use it with an extremely short barrel.
@teamjon3
@teamjon3 Жыл бұрын
I got my SBR stamp approved in 30 days in June of 2022 For Two SBR’s
@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz
@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Жыл бұрын
Form 1 or 4? My eForm 4 suppressors came back one day apart at 51 weeks and the other at whatever middle of April is until Dec 23rd
@CrimeVid
@CrimeVid 6 ай бұрын
We had been using what passed for short carbines in Burma and Malaya, for just a while before Vietnam…. so the idea was already there.
@calicojack556
@calicojack556 3 жыл бұрын
For a 9mm pistol caliber carbine, that kind of defeats the purpose of an intermediate caliber rifle. That being said, the blast and concussion is much more pleasant; I mean HUGE. Not to mention that a 7" barrel is also much more doable and practical with a 9mm than a 5.56.
@brian_b_music
@brian_b_music Жыл бұрын
300 blk suppressed is probably more practical.
@droppinbrass5240
@droppinbrass5240 Жыл бұрын
Sig rattler 5.5 inch 300 blackout
@brian_b_music
@brian_b_music Жыл бұрын
I run an H2, or Spikes ST2 crushed tungsten buffer and a good tuned and polished spring in all of my guns. Especially my 11.5, heavy buffers increase the dwell time, and keep the gun from outrunning itself and beating itself to death. My 11.5 shoots like a dream, I have no desire to ever own another 16 inch AR.
@PhalanxArms
@PhalanxArms 4 жыл бұрын
I almost had an aneurysm when y'all starting rattling off that whizm nonsense 😂😂 Great episode fellas!
@robi8020
@robi8020 Жыл бұрын
The government appreciates you providing them with all of the detailed info required for an SBR, plus the government enjoys that you have to ask them for permission to travel with your SBR.
@barrettanderson2781
@barrettanderson2781 Жыл бұрын
This.
@_JEBUS
@_JEBUS 3 жыл бұрын
Just filed my first form 1 I dont regret it at all. Pistol braces are tolerable and have their benefits in terms of the laws. A stock is a stock though and I want to use a stock of my liking not a silly brace thats technically a stock with less material and less comfortable.
@spysweeper
@spysweeper 2 жыл бұрын
Great podcast yet again! So I wanted to buy one of those ‘contraptions’ that you could put on a pistol that will actually make it an SBR I’m wondering if it’s even worth it?! Are there any gotchas to this?? Like what if I had to move within the same state…how about out of state?? What about when traveling or perhaps use it for hunting (thinking of Glock 40 10mm into an SBR?)
@nk-dw2hm
@nk-dw2hm 2 жыл бұрын
Putting a brace on a pistol is still a pistol with a brace, not an sbr
@bigfootdrums
@bigfootdrums 3 жыл бұрын
What quad rail is that? thanks
@Hammy1088
@Hammy1088 2 жыл бұрын
I have a question. I want to get a sbr upper. Do I have to put the money down for the sbr in advance then fill out the forms and pay the tax stamp?
@jnananinja7436
@jnananinja7436 2 жыл бұрын
I think the rule is that you can’t assemble the SBR until you get your stamp, but you can already have all the parts.
@KayoMonei
@KayoMonei 2 жыл бұрын
I’m going ar pistol 11.3 and 13.7 pin and weld 🤷🏾‍♂️
@terry5008
@terry5008 2 жыл бұрын
I've searched and I have not been able to find a picatinny mount beanie baby. I think this may be an untapped market. Vortex???
@ronnieramesey7019
@ronnieramesey7019 Жыл бұрын
I would like to do a 5.7x28 sbr .. what would be some issues I may run into ?
@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz
@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Жыл бұрын
Legally? Traveling out of state, or living in a state that doesn't allow it. Mechanically, it depends on the firearm. 5.7 was designed for a 10" barrel so you'll be okay ballistically.
@bishopm4401
@bishopm4401 Жыл бұрын
Now that I’ve filed a form for a suppressor, I kinda feel like I might as well just SBR some shit
@billjensen6216
@billjensen6216 5 ай бұрын
9mm 8 inch barrel SBR would be my choice with a suppressor. That would be my first choice in an SBR 2nd would be a 300 blackout 8 inch barrel with suppressor.
@jameshenderson9228
@jameshenderson9228 2 жыл бұрын
What about using an 80%er. What's needed for paperwork?
@denisdegamon8224
@denisdegamon8224 2 жыл бұрын
Nada
@144Souldier
@144Souldier 3 жыл бұрын
AR pistol for me. You cant even travel with the sbr without reaching out to the government. An they want a lil to much info. Seem like a good way to be first in line to get weapons confiscated.
@dud3man6969
@dud3man6969 2 жыл бұрын
The feds would probably watch you with a lot more scrutiny than a child molester.
@144Souldier
@144Souldier 2 жыл бұрын
@@dud3man6969 Yep. People with suppressors on that list too.
@kirk4478
@kirk4478 2 жыл бұрын
I agree acept they are actualy safer in an ironclad legal trust.
@JB-qt3wo
@JB-qt3wo 2 жыл бұрын
Well, the ATF just effectively confiscated all AR-pistols by “switching their interpretation” of what an SBR is or isn’t…which is basically anything they decide is or isn’t depending on who you are, what time it is, whether the sun is in an equinox, or they simply don’t like the look of your big dumb head. Gonna have to register it to keep it legal. We do not live under a govt. that respects the law so we have to use the bureaucracy against them.
@144Souldier
@144Souldier 2 жыл бұрын
@@JB-qt3wo When did that happen. Didn't know the atf made laws?
@crileymane
@crileymane 2 жыл бұрын
no ar pistols in MA unless a fixed mag by factory. Forces me to go to sbr
@austinanderson8485
@austinanderson8485 9 ай бұрын
Sure quicker to get a sbr form 1 or form 3 but you gotta ask permission to take it places but once I got my supressor it’s mine I don’t have to ask permission just have a picture or copy of tax stamp
@logant4217
@logant4217 3 жыл бұрын
14.5 uppers aren't because an a2 is 1.5 inches. the military uses 14.5 and they dont have to abide by NFA bullshit. and plus a 1.5 inch flash hider screwed to a 14.5 wouldn't bring the length to 16 inches, more like 15.5. thats why most pinned and welded 14.5s require an extra long flash hider
@briteredoctober
@briteredoctober 2 жыл бұрын
I use 10.5" for that extra .2" of security lol
@joshuatall8134
@joshuatall8134 Жыл бұрын
Has no one mentioned the thought that the barrel length issue may be because of the ease of concealing shot guns and SBRs. If you think about it seems to me that hiding a full size shotgun under your jacket would be a but difficult...
@shamrock5725
@shamrock5725 Жыл бұрын
That would be A reason that some may claim and to some degree, are reasonable. However, a person who is going to do a crime or an act of passion most likely doesn't care at all about the law already and will still break the law. The vast majority of people who want shorter barrels are for a number of reasons. Weigh savings, cost savings, min/max performance, the ability to use inside of a home for protection or being able to better transport one while in an off road vehicle on the farm, or simply because it's cool. Criminals will use whatever they can get their hands on and that includes whatever is legal or illegal and they don't care.
@frankgonzalez3822
@frankgonzalez3822 3 жыл бұрын
I would like an SBR in lever action
@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz
@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Жыл бұрын
Rossi does a Mare's Leg 1892 pattern. Could get that, Form 1 it, and then buy a stock. No one else does a Mare's Leg though, so a something like a short barreled Marlin would need to be sent off to a gunsmith.
@patrickcrean2844
@patrickcrean2844 11 ай бұрын
They wanted to sell the m1 carbine which was 18 inch and they had Millions of them so they came up with the 16 inch length but the thing was to go after the pistols
@alexanderthagreat840
@alexanderthagreat840 7 ай бұрын
It was 18 for both rifle and shotgun until the government sold a lot of surplus rifles around 16 inches. Then they changed the rifle to 16 and kept shotgun at 18.
@richarduhlry5570
@richarduhlry5570 Жыл бұрын
Well 223 AR-15 copper jacket soft point 55 ring Factory load coming out of an 18 or 20 inch barrel AR-15 at 100 yd you should be getting in the neighborhood of 2400 ft per second
@grantacoatneysr9657
@grantacoatneysr9657 2 жыл бұрын
SBR AND GET ON THIER LIST !
@georgekeith9928
@georgekeith9928 3 жыл бұрын
This is kinda funny watching it post ATFs SBR reclassification letter.
@TooManyChoices1
@TooManyChoices1 3 жыл бұрын
What letter ...?
@WinnTeam
@WinnTeam 3 жыл бұрын
not so funny post Biden and his crazy gun plans..
@raging_rhino2582
@raging_rhino2582 Жыл бұрын
Y'all missed the venerable 6.5 GRENDEL
@kirk4478
@kirk4478 2 жыл бұрын
20" is when the 5.56 M193 ball round does exactly what the round was designed to do at 3,000fps and is DEVASTATING when hit at 100yards. Everything else is of course lethal,,also a compromise on the Cartridge intended usage.
@daytonsmith8910
@daytonsmith8910 2 жыл бұрын
16-20 inch is the money
@625098evan
@625098evan 2 жыл бұрын
I went to a gun shop, picked out their cheapest lower reciever, and increased the price just a bit by swapping the rifle stock out for a pistol brace. I don't know for sure, but I'm betting that it came with a standard buffer system for a 16" 5.56. I paired this lower with an inexpensive PSA 10.5" 300 blk upper. I don't know for sure, but it is likely over gassed. it has all of the recoil. I put an inexpensive break on it which does make a difference. now I need a stronger spring. anyone want to sell me a spring?
@CarcinogenicONE
@CarcinogenicONE Жыл бұрын
That’s a felony bro. A rifle (including an AR lower receiver that has ever been transferred as a rifle, or has ever had a stock attached) cannot become a pistol, only a SBR. If you start with a pistol lower however, you can legally attach a 16” upper to it, and then replace the brace with a stock. But the barrel HAS to be 16” or more in this configuration without an approved NFA form 1. It’s honestly really stupid rules.
@bensmith9164
@bensmith9164 Жыл бұрын
@Dode he's a fed, so he doesn't have to worry about it my dude. Someone that can do all that knows where to buy a spring. It was pretty good bait though.
@kirk4478
@kirk4478 2 жыл бұрын
Isnt it odd that something that is already made,,serialized and made takes about 20 times longer at the moment to get your paperwork done on than whatever you chose to make yourself lol. Jus fykn silly🤙
@calicojack556
@calicojack556 3 жыл бұрын
SBR for me.
@McDanielRanch
@McDanielRanch 8 ай бұрын
All ways thought the 16 was so I don't fit throw door ways.
@amirabboud6910
@amirabboud6910 2 жыл бұрын
I don't want to look dumb writing this but the measuring method seems like bad practice (I could be wrong). Why does the NFAs (or ATFs whatever) measuring "method" involve sticking something down the barrel opposite the direction a projectile travel? That is never good (I know the "one time probably isn't bad" argument is coming which I do not fully disagree with). But when considering torques, tolerances, and specifications, it may be actually be bad and throw off your shot. Again, I could be wrong. Any one care to clarify if they know?
@ryanwilson5936
@ryanwilson5936 Жыл бұрын
They want you to measure that way because when the bolt is closed, the bolt face is the end of the barrel. The muzzle is the other end. That will give you the most accurate barrel length. As for putting something down the muzzle, I think many people overthink this. You aren’t just haphazardly shoving stuff down your barrel. No more so than using a cleaning rod properly. However, if that concerns you, you can always buy a wooden dowel with a diameter that clears your bores diameter. If you damage your barrel with thin, soft pine…. your firearm was beyond dangerous to fire to begin with.
@joshtrauger3088
@joshtrauger3088 7 ай бұрын
Wow homie called the pistol brace letter years before.
@JEJAK5396
@JEJAK5396 2 жыл бұрын
File a Form zero. Then a Form “FiF”
@richarduhlry5570
@richarduhlry5570 Жыл бұрын
The M16 was a 10-in barrel and retractables stock is a pilot M16 they have a short barrel so in case they have to bail out of the airplane if they get shot down they can jump and jump out of the airplane and grab that little short rifle I'm 16 they have a rifle to bail out of the airplane with for self-defense
@travislanier8992
@travislanier8992 Жыл бұрын
23:40 Humvees door
@gcanaday1
@gcanaday1 2 жыл бұрын
Beanie babies. Hell yeah. Stuff them things with gummi bears and you've got survival rations.
@kirk4478
@kirk4478 2 жыл бұрын
You sound like fykn Paris Hilton dude,,SBR's are soo Hot right now!! Lol Realy🤙
@barrettanderson2781
@barrettanderson2781 Жыл бұрын
SBRs are only cool because the ATF says you have to fill out paperwork for them. I naturally gravitate to an 18" for 5.56x45, 16" .308Win, and just run with a brace on PCCs or .300AAC. I know, the ATF doesn't like braces now. My State doesn't care.
@brcarey
@brcarey 4 жыл бұрын
necro post but ATF does not make law but letters are just that they cannot make law. it takes an act of congress
@g24thinf
@g24thinf 2 жыл бұрын
I bet Mark has a 12" barreled 300wsm.
@UncleDanBand64
@UncleDanBand64 4 жыл бұрын
If I could have any SBR it would be a full-auto MP5👍🇺🇸
@wadeanders4579
@wadeanders4579 4 жыл бұрын
Always wanted to be on a podcast...lol...made a impression....yall are all welcome to come shoot hogs with me in Texas....wait...except for Mr.Whizum...and Texas jokester .....nahhh jk..yall can come too....need someone to load mags and carry water..😉..on a serious keep.up the great podcasts!!
@grantacoatneysr9657
@grantacoatneysr9657 2 жыл бұрын
JUST heard ATF is going to Outlaw Pink AR's !
@jnananinja7436
@jnananinja7436 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry, you misread that.. the ATF is outlawing everything except pink guns!
@allendorrell9845
@allendorrell9845 Жыл бұрын
I refuse to pay unnecessary taxes and give the government more info than necessary
@PatriotPaulUSA
@PatriotPaulUSA 2 жыл бұрын
A Lower that has been attached to a "Rifle" upper can not be a "Pistol" lower ever. A "Pistol" lower that has been attached to a "Pistol" upper can be used on a "Rifle" or "Pistol" upper! This is the B.S. these DC folk make up as they go! So Every single one of my lowers I buy, are instantly put under a pistol upper for 5 minutes! I do it usually in the store so I have witnesses before I even go home. Now those lower can go on either! Multi - is whole other classification. Dont even go there!
@shamrock5725
@shamrock5725 Жыл бұрын
Unless you have proof in written and signed documentation doing this by individuals inside the store it will legally never fly in court. Footage is lost, people get fired and businesses close.
@tedb.5707
@tedb.5707 3 жыл бұрын
Very illegal here in New Jersey. Can't even on a standard-length AR here. No "pistol" ARs, no suppressers, no pistol braces, no SBRs or SBS, not even the Mossberg Shockwave....YMMV.
@blueridgewarden2838
@blueridgewarden2838 2 жыл бұрын
Why does nj elect dudes that let their wives have boyfriends?
@apstech4618
@apstech4618 2 жыл бұрын
@@blueridgewarden2838 Why does anyone with any common sense reside in NJ ~the armpit of America?
@reb363
@reb363 3 жыл бұрын
Why are we arguing about what is and is not a SBR? With modern day technology, i.e. Bullpup rifles, why are SBR's even considered NFA items today?
@shamrock5725
@shamrock5725 Жыл бұрын
Good question and I'm surprised that wasn't brought up in the video, however some would say don't give the govt ideas.
@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz
@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Жыл бұрын
Because the law hasn't been repealed.....that's how laws work. Also just wanna point out bullpups aren't modern and there are still SBR bullpups.
@reb363
@reb363 Жыл бұрын
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz When I say Modern, I'm talking about compared to when the law was enacted in the 1934. As far as Bullpup rifles, even full length Bullpup rifles, i.e. 26" OAL, are shorter then say a SBR with 14.5" barrel. So my question again is why are SBR's even considered NFA items?
@jcipriani88
@jcipriani88 Жыл бұрын
Shit took me 11 months.
@chaoticcaninejb
@chaoticcaninejb Жыл бұрын
MK18 barrel convo was funny yet not entirely correct.
@jacobivy2854
@jacobivy2854 Жыл бұрын
Nothing, and I mean nothing, gets in a tree stand and around the thick pine forests of the southeast better than a Daniel Defense PDW300 with a 9” barrel and a red dot, and the .300 AAC will handle deer at those ranges (75-100 yards and in) no problem.
@TheSXEsammich
@TheSXEsammich Жыл бұрын
*Laughs in bullpup*
@pizzadog4206
@pizzadog4206 Жыл бұрын
Well if you like giving up all your info to the ATF, SBR reg is free for 120 days...
@62born
@62born 3 жыл бұрын
We shouldn’t have to register anything anyway with the unconstitutional ATF !!
@batman7401
@batman7401 2 жыл бұрын
We shouldn’t do it in general regardless of the law.
@TaxationIsTheft69420
@TaxationIsTheft69420 2 жыл бұрын
Or you stop following unjust laws
@grantacoatneysr9657
@grantacoatneysr9657 2 жыл бұрын
Go ahead and register yo crack pipes !
@richarduhlry5570
@richarduhlry5570 Жыл бұрын
They are nine wouldn't be no good for deer hunting no because it wouldn't have enough shock power or penetration at 100 yards or further for deer hunting you just end up wanting the deer and having to track it it wouldn't be good for penetration and stopping power at 100 yards or further maybe 50 yards will be all right but anything maybe pass for 50 yards that I don't think it'd be worth a damn I don't think it'd have enough penetration or stopping power to actually kill a deer past the 50 yard or past 100 yards I mean if you would just end up wounding the deer
@farewellvoyager5379
@farewellvoyager5379 Жыл бұрын
16" regulation came to be after uncle sam sold a bunch of surplus m1 carbines to the public and then realized they just violated their own regulations.
@kirk4478
@kirk4478 2 жыл бұрын
I consider my MP5 a sub gun and always have. It has always bothered me that my Govrnmt made me put a SBR Legal term to it. 16-20inch are rifles. 16-10.3inch are Carbines. These braced Pistols or Sub Guns make me laugh when called the Gun sales Buzz Word PCC's as they are not rifles and they are DEF not Carbines in any way shape or form. They are pistols with braces or Sub guns,,refering to their Sub Rifle caliber Ammo. PCC is a Gay Industry term they were able to sell the Geeky skinny jean wearing Generation to pump out dozens of different designs that ALL do the same exact thing with the same exact cartrige and NONE of them shoot or perform any better than the Submachine Gun made in 1966 so i find it all soo Comical,, at the same time i welcome EVERY RESPONSIBLE Person to be a Gun Owner by all means. I jus find this whole Generation odd. Shit when i was 18 the whole Damn Country could not own 30 round mags,,telescoping stocks,,bayonette lugs,,threaded barrels,,etc and it was jus opression on Law Abiding people and when i turned 25 it was proven as such as Gun Crime actualy rose lol. I living on Long Island at the time was soooo Happy for a Week until NY announced they were somehow keeping the bullchit ban our entire Country was jus released from.I live in GA now and realy see how bad Liberal ran States truly are and it almost feels like GA is going in that direction and im sickened that the People of this State are jus standing by and letting it happen. It comes from young people raised on screens,,not in the real world that dont realy wanna be free or Accountable for themselves,,and actualy on some sickening level prefer to be told what to do and expect handouts.Think of all our Fellow Americans who died for our Freedoms and out of straight up lazyness and Pussyness or "Soft Men" we are giving up out libertys at will!! Like WTF?? That is LITERALY the first steps of the Communist Playbook!! And now we are supprised Russia is bombing and raiding another Country today as we cant even control our own border??It didnt take "Russian Colusion",, it jus took a bunch of Leftist College Professors and a Generation of Soft White Guys.And we lost more in a Decade than the past 200 years. Its soo soo Sad for real Patriots🤙
@MF-Rell
@MF-Rell 2 жыл бұрын
You don't like skinny jeans?
@kirk4478
@kirk4478 2 жыл бұрын
@@MF-Rell Lol,,funny story brah. Your timing couldn't be bedda. So iv neva and would neva buy any clothing from Walmart in my life,,only this happened jus yesterday so ima say it. I was stuck in Walmart for 2 damn hours,,lets jus say with a Female. You know how that can be im sure. So i walk ova to look at Mens Boxer Shorts jus to see if they had any Silk Boxer shorts in any Cool designs and when i looked in the section where like sleeping pants and warm up pants and Sweatpants were,,first of all i thought i had died and gone to Nerd Heaven as EVERYTHING was Marvel,,or sum Comic book Character,,or marked with STAR WARS!!LMFOA,,on top of it all i could see EVERY SINGLE pair had a label on top that said SLIM DESIGN.Now first off,,if you live an active lifestyle and i mean always active like i did growing up and still do,,and your Sauseech is a halfway decent size it is impossible to feel comfortable and look cool wearing dat crap. And every WOMAN AND SMOKING HOT GIRL i have Eva asked if they think Skinny Jeans Make them Desire a MAN,,every single one of them has said NO!! So stop geeking out Guys and give the Ladies what they want!! And i dont mean the girl you met online who first revied your PROFILE lol. Im talking when you see a beautifull Woman Anywhere,,go over to her and TALK TO HER!!,Do that every possible chance you get and you will thank me i promise. And you cannot possibly approach that bad ass Woman that turns you on and think you look good wearing Skinny Shit. And what you see online an on TV is jus dat,, fantasy land. If you dont have obscene amounts of money you cannot get away wit skinny jeans on a Beautifull Fun lovin Woman who wants you to show Her the World,,make her laugh,,at the same time letting it be known in a very subtle way that when the laughing stops that you are all Man and will make her Neva forget it. Im sorry bro, skinny clothes on Dudes jus DOES NOT convey that message unless you live in,,"The Valley" or Los Angeles or sum chit where ALL the Men are Douchey,,but they have tons of money so they get away with it. Im giving you young guys fykn GOLD right here. Go ouda ya way to look Different!! Not the same as every Nerd out there,,even if ya are a bit nerdy!! Rock your own style and get a relaxed fit,,or you jus dont come across relaxed!! So no re-iterate your question,,NO my friend,,skinny clothing never made a Man feel more Confident and approachable to a Woman. And that should be your every thought at every moment until ya get married. I dont know whats goin on wit Society these days. Soon Guys are jus gonna be happy enough being their nerd selves with their Virtual Girlfriend and when that day comes we are Doomed as Homo Sapiens and it doesnt feel toooo far away at the moment🙏🤙
@MF-Rell
@MF-Rell 2 жыл бұрын
I'm was joking bro, I wear em but they're athletic cut. White guys wear em with shit kickers... I'm from the south in the heart of dixie and nobody cares anymore bro. We're out here just trying to enjoy life 🙃
@kirk4478
@kirk4478 2 жыл бұрын
@@MF-Rell im in Metro Atlanta myself now. Its def a bit of a Culture shock. Iv had a lot of people say they can see my style i more Nyish. Pretty much everybody. They dont seem to be talkin chit though. Im a 90's, Nike sneaker Jynkie,,mostly air max 95's and about a dozen or so limited edition 97 air max silver bullets. So people have asked me in barber shops and what not where i have got certian threads or kix. Its jus diff up North. We a bunch of Label Whore's that grew up on L.I. And Manhattan,,i admit it🙏🤙
@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz
@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Жыл бұрын
A) wait until you learn that 18" and 20" are common carbine lengths B) 16" is a carbine to you, and PCCs usually have 16" barrels, but PCCs aren't carbines even thought they meet your arbitrary barrel length classifications?
@JEJAK5396
@JEJAK5396 2 жыл бұрын
Gun Owners: “Registration leads to confiscation. Also Gun Owners “Yeah, I just bought another Can/filed another Form” Me: 👀
@killzgaminghd3265
@killzgaminghd3265 Жыл бұрын
Exactly 😂😂😂
@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz
@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Жыл бұрын
It's really hard to make a quality suppressor. You're also already on a list. ATF's been compiling 4473 on a registry for years. Anyone that's ever bought a gun from a shop, NFA or not, is on a list. We're past being on the list.
@billangell6478
@billangell6478 2 жыл бұрын
You can’t take a rifle lower and turn it into a pistol. You can turn a rifle into a pistol however. When filing a form 1 you can do whatever you want as the previous classification and manufacturer don’t matter. In the ATF’s eyes you are now the manufacturer
@jaquemason1931
@jaquemason1931 Жыл бұрын
That didn’t look like short barrel rifle
@nathant3897
@nathant3897 Жыл бұрын
I’m really hoping the pistol brace atf rule which is unconstitutional and they are not supposed to be making laws falls through. If it does pass I’ll to the sbr but then I can’t fold my AR-15 pistol into my bag and carry it concealed like I’ve been doing and built it for that purpose. Freaking sucks. Abolish the ATF dog killers
@joshuamitcham1519
@joshuamitcham1519 Жыл бұрын
This aged like fine cheese...stinking ATF.
@cpage305
@cpage305 Жыл бұрын
The video didn't age well
@PhilWitDa_45
@PhilWitDa_45 2 жыл бұрын
When are we gonna start being patriotic men and say NO we will NOT follow unconstitutional arbitrary laws....
@jordanragin1615
@jordanragin1615 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if you guys feel the same way now with all the BS gun grabbers are doing
@ihaveasandwichinmypocket
@ihaveasandwichinmypocket 2 жыл бұрын
To bad the ATf is coming for us all. 🇺🇸
@richarduhlry5570
@richarduhlry5570 Жыл бұрын
I sure wish you guys would show your phone number at the end of your advertisement or into your segment so I can get your phone number for your company so I can give you guys a call and make life a lot easier for your consumers so we can call you guys
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