Ep. 114: X/C Navigation Log | VFR Cross Country Nav Log Calculations

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Start to finish, how to fill out a VFR cross country navigation log
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@lukecole6203 4 жыл бұрын

You know you’re confident when you do the whole thing with a pen

@PilotDaveAviation 3 жыл бұрын

I thought of the same thing !! Lol

@allenustianowski9757 3 жыл бұрын

You got that right!

@allenustianowski9757 2 жыл бұрын

I watch this video AGAIN, 6 months from the first time I watch it and it makes perfect sense now! First time I watched it I was totally lost, but now it make perfect sense. This video is more for an advanced student vs a new student and a great refresher! Good job.

@lukecole6203 2 жыл бұрын

@@allenustianowski9757 Lol, I haven't watched it in over a year. I'm about to go for my CFI checkride next week. I now can use a pen Update: I passed my cfi and cfii checkrides and am now instructing

@dartagnantapler7150 2 жыл бұрын

Erasable pen gang

@mrboss20ten 3 жыл бұрын

I love your videos. I have a pretty decent understanding of the nav log stuff, but this was easily the most confusing video I've seen on the channel.

@JeffroBodine1947 4 жыл бұрын

I think I'll just walk!!!

@misaelcruz5443 3 жыл бұрын

This video is definitely more intended for pilots who have done Navlogs before and need to refresh. I could not imagine a Student Pilot being able to follow along. Great video though

@colbyjamesreynolds1516 3 жыл бұрын

As a student pilot that makes me feel a lot better😂

@haber1259 Жыл бұрын

@@colbyjamesreynolds1516 one year later, do you better understand this video? I'm a student and I thought I was lagging way behind watching this.

@jasonbower9515 Жыл бұрын

Trying to prep for check ride. Also very very lost. Feels really overwhelming

@RealWoutLies Жыл бұрын

At several minutes in, I tuned out. Rapid/overwhelming info isn't useful to this 60 yo student. It's a great refresher, I'm sure. But...

@josephtorres3522 7 ай бұрын

Yup pretty hard to follow along lol I have mi iPad,calculator, charts, nav log and still can’t keep up lol

@gmag73 Жыл бұрын

My dad was born and raised in Charlotte, MI...thank you for pronouncing it correctly!

@WoutervanTiel Жыл бұрын

Seriously archaic! This is exactly why computers were invented. Very nice to still be able to do this by hand and a great learning tool to get how the information is derived, but it is inexact, prone to making mistakes and slow. You did a nice job putting it together though.

@Smokeybear69420 4 жыл бұрын

Your phone vibrating at around 18:45 tripped me out I thought I was getting a call lol

@pappybo49 2 жыл бұрын

Wow! That was fun. I haven’t used that stuff in years, just brushing up reminds me what flying was really all about when I was learning to fly in the ‘60s. Thanks for reminding me that we didn’t need gps or an autopilot to fly. I’ve so lazy I fly a glass panel and an autopilot on my bush plane Simulator. Thanks again for sharing your expertise. I always enjoy your videos !

@PaulGarthAviation 3 жыл бұрын

What's *really* rewarding is, after doing all this stuff manually, is actually doing the X-C -- and it ALL freakin' works out really close to plan.

@yogevbarshavit6 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome video Jon. Now that I’m so close to the check ride, I needed this video desperately.

@marinamonpere5633 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent , very detailed explanation that tied together learnt theory about performance calculations and all that "true-calibrated-indicated-ground-pressure-density" etc etc to practice . Thanks for posting!

@1UTUBEUSERNAME Ай бұрын

New drinking game. Every time OP says "go ahead" have a shot or a beer.

@DanWeecks 6 жыл бұрын

This is exactly what I needed! Reviewing nav logs was on my to do list for today, so I'll definitely watch this. Thanks for your awesome videos Jon!

@esalenchik 4 жыл бұрын

Will You’re aware that the video can be slowed down and replayed over and over, right? Creators can’t win on YT. Comments like “video was too long”, “not long enough”, “too much explanation”, “not enough...” Perhaps naysayers should try putting in all the hard graft to create their own videos before finding fault?

@JeffroBodine1947 4 жыл бұрын

Jon, you have lost your ever loving mind.!! I ain't never going anywhere if I have to do all of this!!

@colewhetzel8651 4 жыл бұрын

You just made this seem impossible honestly I can’t comprehend half of the things you’re talking about cause you start talking about something else before I even have the chance to comprehend what you were just talking about. Thanks for making this seem impossible!

@2Greenlid 3 жыл бұрын

Cole, it’s called learning. Study for a few months & it will seem easy..just takes patience..

@rtoms1969 5 жыл бұрын

This was extremely helpfull. To those that think he went too fast...note the pause and rewind capabilites of youtube. Magic!

@johnkeith8023 5 жыл бұрын

Ron Toms preach it Ron

@orlandospencer 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video. cleared up some stuff for me with using this log. just started using this format Nav Log

@li0nh3art302 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video, you did a great job!

@carlsonlemos9927 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! Thanks

@hessamstar 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for taking the time to make this video! I know it must’ve taken you forever to make the video but you are helping a lot of student pilots

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 5 жыл бұрын

Appreciate the comment and thanks for watching!

@allenustianowski9757 3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with Hesam's comment. This was a huge help for me. Little fast, but that's why they make the replay button. A lot of assumptions and you may not every get this detailed but totally agree you should know how and why you do this.

@mattsflightadventures284 6 жыл бұрын

All these negative comments but I must say, This helped me out. I did a ground lesson with my instructor then watched this video. Made everything link into place in my brain. Sure, most have gps navigation today but for folks needing to learn the basics this is great..

@dylanreichstadt8997 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for making this! I learned the Plotting & Wind/GPH Conversions separately, so it's good to see all of this put together. While some say you're going too fast, I appreciate the brevity and can easily go to a more detailed video if needed for the particular component.

@Victordamus98 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Could have gone a bit slower on the calculations with the E6B.

@fish7days 6 жыл бұрын

Very timely !! Comm checkride coming up !!! Great vid as always !!

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 6 жыл бұрын

Glad it helps! The commercial checkride prep course is almost live on the site at www.fly8ma.com !

@timschiro4140 3 жыл бұрын

Your video was very helpful. Excellent job!

@philipstrugar587 3 жыл бұрын

I'm a new CFI, and have assigned this video to all of my students in the cross country stage.

@DirectFTNSS 3 жыл бұрын

I've been assigned this video and I don't even have my private pilots license yet XD

@AhmedAli-xy2jd 6 жыл бұрын

amazing explanation, great job. Many thanks.

@elunico13 6 жыл бұрын

I always give your videos thumbs up. Great resources!

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Share us on Facebook and with your friends around the airport to spread the word!!!

@ruslanmubarakzyanov252 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!It’s very helpful!

@juliuscaesar172 6 жыл бұрын

hey man awesome video!!! this helped me loads

@MichaelRicksAherne 4 жыл бұрын

Great video! Heads up that in the 172, your enroute climb can be higher than the table. (See 172S POH, section 4-25, "Enroute Climb: Normal enoute climbs are performed with flaps up and full throttle *at speeds 5 to 10 knots higher than the best rate-of-climb speeds* for the best combination of performance, visibility and engine cooling.") So you can round up 5-10 knots as needed to get even numbers, and you're technically following the manual even more precisely. ;)

@rrz464 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this vid. Definitely helped out as I planned my first XC from BJC to CYS.

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 5 жыл бұрын

Glad it helped! Check out the site for more vids: www.fly8ma.com

@alejandrosanchez2222 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks man! Great video and explanations, definitely won a subs

@AaronHartwell 5 жыл бұрын

Great video! Thanks for taking the time to make it!

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 5 жыл бұрын

Of course!! Feel free to share it around with your flying friends!

@kristofernavarro5855 6 жыл бұрын

So clear thanks for a great tutorial

@sidsawhney1 6 жыл бұрын

Super super helpful. Thanks so much.

@toddw6716 3 жыл бұрын

your the best! good easy to follow.

@KennyWeslax 4 жыл бұрын

I have that same pen, used it to plot my first cross country today also using this video. Small world man, small world.

@marshallyoung7866 4 жыл бұрын

There are literally 113 tutorial videos before this finale to most PPL cadets. Any man can appreciate all the efforts that this man has put into this tutorial series.

@tedk2814 6 жыл бұрын

Great video and great instructor, thanks much!

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 6 жыл бұрын

Glad it helps ya out! Check out some of the new courses on www.fly8ma.com !

@firepilot109 2 жыл бұрын

Great videos!

@AN-jz3px 6 жыл бұрын

That was excellent!

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 6 жыл бұрын

Glad it helps! Share us on Facebook and around the airport with your friends!

@OmgKornLoveNm1 3 жыл бұрын

thank you! its awesome..

@adenpoller5121 2 жыл бұрын

Very helpful. Thank you

@eddiea8167 6 жыл бұрын

Doing this now in my training. Thanks!

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 6 жыл бұрын

Glad it helps ya out! Check out some of the new courses on www.fly8ma.com !

@mjjstang 4 жыл бұрын

I just spent my night planning a xc in Xplane. Using this video i was able to plan a 51 min flight that ended up being 52 minutes. Landing wasnt so great. Now to find someone to teach me in the real thing. I also cheated and calculated a vor radial and distance to vor as a checkpoint but to be fair, the computer graphics dont lend well to VFR checkpoints. Thanks for this great vid. Oh and I'll echo how i feel this way is useless with GPS but if FAA wants me to learn it, so be it......

@Capitulum11 2 жыл бұрын

OMG just do it!

@reydogmotor 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for reminding me why I didn’t do well in this area. But I did get it once upon a time. So, now I’m trying to get back into it and hoping to better understand this again.

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 2 жыл бұрын

You can do it!

@jfrankfather 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your investment of time. That was a very good explanation of cross country planning.

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 4 жыл бұрын

Of course... Glad it helped ya!

@pabloendara5285 4 жыл бұрын

great instructing.

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 4 жыл бұрын

Happy it helped ya!

@seetheworldwithben747 2 жыл бұрын

I guess i was really paying attention to your video, i even saw your Tinder app on your phone. Lol

@LostInSpace175 5 жыл бұрын

starting commercial soon...crazt how u can forget some basic such as toc.. lol

@avia3089 5 жыл бұрын

This is so difficult but understandable

@mikemike6096 3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate the technology nowadays, but I still respect this type of planning and It's how I learned years ago. E6B, it's been a few moons since I've used that calculator, haha

@samuelsoane4237 4 жыл бұрын

this video help me a lot thanks

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 4 жыл бұрын

Happy to hear that!

@Jeffrey-Flys 4 жыл бұрын

So, I totally get the system and the math, AND I thank GOD for the electronic Flight Navigation calculations that SkyVector or Foreflight do FOR YOU

@suzukirider9030 2 жыл бұрын

Thank the programmers ;-)

@ahmadtheaviationlover1937 5 жыл бұрын

this is just pure maths, I found the VFR cross country flying hard!!!

@msnaturee 4 жыл бұрын

This video helped me get through my private pilot training!! Amazing job

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 3 жыл бұрын

Glad it helps! Share it around!

@FisVii77 9 ай бұрын

do you teach out of willow run or ann arbour, no rush on response, I like the way you teach, appreciate all your videos and experience thanks mike.

@hadidididi 5 жыл бұрын

As a Canadian ppl holder, revisiting your works help me set a starting point in my material reviews. Good to have you back in the few valuable instructors pool.

@kimberlywentworth9160 Жыл бұрын

Doing Nav logs by hand really makes you appreciate Foreflight. You have to do this manually like this so that you understand what is going on. Then when you get Foreflight you are amazed. I still like to use the paper maps and platting at times to be sure I find the correct VFR points. I also like the paper Nav log because it has all of the infor on paper in one place. Be nice if There was one in excel that would help with the manual calculations.

@coreystephens2656 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, this was very helpful....

@king_georgieo57 2 жыл бұрын

It's kinda funny how this episode is #114, my long dual night xc is 114 nm in total! Cool coiwinkydink

@captainnickgyver5593 6 жыл бұрын

This was so helpful, thank you! One thing I'm confused on: Why didn't you take into effect/interpolate the Temps for the time,fuel and distance to climb chart? The chart at sea level lists standard temp but the temp for the flight is -6.

@michaelzaug8750 7 ай бұрын

Sister Rose would have hit your hand with a ruler. 😂 😂😂

@WinginWolf 5 жыл бұрын

Just top it off when flying short distances :P. Takes me a while to fill in the navlog, and I also get sort of picky when it comes to marking distances on the map. Even though climbout may take "5 nautical miles", I know I have to climb out to 1000ft AGL before I can even begin my turn to course, so I may arrive to top of climb at an earlier point since I did a bit of detouring before arriving on course. Flying out of busy, towered airports makes it trickier since you're likely to get vectored around before you can proceed on course (I was several miles North of my plotted course due to vectoring but eventually made it on course).

@muffinman6739 6 жыл бұрын

Great informative video, just have trouble seeing what you put down on the nav log because your finders are in the way most of the time.

@ritchierich2820 5 жыл бұрын

For the cruise performance chart did you use the temperature aloft or did you just use the airports temperature? Same for the altimeter setting ?

@pi3080 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you John. Great tutorial. Qq: the -6c° you are using for the cruise perf chart, is it from the metar? If yes, does it make sense to look too at the forecasted cruise oat? Thank you. Great channel!

@ritchierich2820 5 жыл бұрын

I feel like everyone does cross country planning differently 😒

@DICEcontent 5 жыл бұрын

And every single flight plan log looks different

@simauriveiro6340 4 жыл бұрын

Yeap !

@loner_3586 4 жыл бұрын

I swear🙅😂

@myotherusername9224 4 жыл бұрын

and every time you get in a new cockpit, the controls/instruments/seating, ergonomics, etc., are all different. What's the same? Physics, chemistry and gravity. Maths. The basics: www.amazon.com/Stick-Rudder-Explanation-Art-Flying/dp/0070362408 I once read a story by a guy who had the great good fortune once upon a time to right seat with Yeager in a seaplane Yeager had never flown. He said Yeager's every landing was *perfect*. Did you know Yeager used to own a Part 103 Quicksilver? I think the more different ways I learn to do something,the more firmly I grasp the underlying essentials. Variety: it's a feature, not a bug.

@PaulGarthAviation 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Everyone gets to their destination... eventually.... LOL!

@oofmcgoof6386 24 күн бұрын

Lol my flight school gave me this video to work with, turns out it’s exactly the same thing I’m doing - KARB to KFPK

@kingck101 4 жыл бұрын

pilots phone starter kit, E6B, AvWeather, Tinder and bumble

@flyhigh4fun 3 жыл бұрын

Yeaa I think hes more confident to show his phone apps than his flight plan knowledge lol Tinder 🔥🤣

@georgemathisen3805 3 жыл бұрын

Regarding the altimeter setting to obtain pressure altitude for cruise; would it be suggested to get the pressure setting for the departure airport and the destination airport and average it out to get a better estimate for the altimeter aloft to have a better understanding of what the cruise performance is?

@automaster209 2 жыл бұрын

Do you factor in declination? Magnetic north is usually off by a few degrees depending on the time of year.

@Sparton-sj6wd 4 жыл бұрын

I've got that white out part down!!!!

@floatingbunt3929 5 жыл бұрын

Your use of the E6-B is painfully vague

@babyboi0103 4 жыл бұрын

Everything he explained was painfully vague for a student pilot who's never done a lot before. Such as my life with most CFIs

@stonewall5792 4 жыл бұрын

Floating Bunt You don’t have to use a old e6-b, especially on check-rides.

@Maxmilion6004 4 жыл бұрын

@@stonewall5792 are you sure?

@endsdio4834 3 жыл бұрын

Max Sperlich Maybe past PPL?

@Maxmilion6004 3 жыл бұрын

I agree with these comments about cfis being horrible at teaching this shit and it really comes off as they dont want to do it but have to. Its fucking annoying. Check out part time pilors channel. I went from being pissed off and confused to plotting my own shit from weight to balance to performance and climbs in a half an hour. He makes things so easy to understand and breaks it down. Again part time pilot. These otger cfis on youtube never get back to people. Unless something negative is said. People alays respond to negativity. Its sad. But most of the courses are like ask questions and we will get right back to you and you can see unanswered questions from 2 years ago

@Peterpeterpumpkineater1000 4 жыл бұрын

If your true course changes (like slightly alternating course for way points) do you have to find new TAS and GS?

@jacksonlightner1248 5 жыл бұрын

I love you

@2Phast4Rocket 3 жыл бұрын

The FAA allows you to use the electronic EB6 computer in the written exam now and I am perplexed why the DPE still require people to fill this out. It is literally done once during the check ride and will never be done again. What is the use of the exercise again?

@Flywithparker 2 жыл бұрын

Big swag shout out to Ken Burrs @ NAFC for showing me this before my x-country 🐐

@EngineerPrepper 3 жыл бұрын

Do you have a pdf version of that nav log to follow along?

@sxf093020 6 жыл бұрын

Great video, thanks Jon! Out of curiosity what kind of plane is that in the last minute of the video-it looks really nice!

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 6 жыл бұрын

Tecnam Twin, pretty cool airplanes for training in!

@The_R_Vid 4 жыл бұрын

Not a pilot, though I did follow what you did here. I've never thought about much you'd need to write down in flight. What do you recommend for a left handed pilot flying something like a Cirrus, with a side stick? Should that pilot fly from the right seat, but then they'd be farther from the instruments. Or are lefties limited only to flying aircraft with yokes? Or regularly use autopilot to free up their writing hand to record instructions from ATC?

@jameskang2380 3 жыл бұрын

How do I find the time of my E6b when my distance is less than at least 10 NM?

@dougkehoe3758 3 жыл бұрын

What plane is that?...Aerostar? With overhead lites? Analog is the gateway mathma . Wish u did more math on the wiz wheel...quick 1-2-3s always worked for me. This then that. I’m liking my fly8MA hoodie!

@MH-ve5sz 6 жыл бұрын

Hi, thanks for the videos, they are helping me understand nav logs. I’m confused about what values to use for calculating TAS. On my cruise performance chart, it uses pressure altitude. For each of my checkpoints, if the true altitude OR the pressure altitude has changed, do I need to re-calculate the TAS for that checkpoint? For instance, my originating airport pressure altitude is 8740 (true alt is 8500). By the time I’m halfway along my route, my true altitude is 7500. Do I need to find the new pressure altitude at that point in order to find that point’s TAS? On your chart, all of your altitudes are the same, but are your pressure altitudes the same? I also don’t see any place on the log for describing a climb from the TPA to cruise, or where I would account for that change in altitude (and again I don’t understand why we are sometimes using pressure altitude and sometimes using true). Thanks! -Mary

@VinceCartierBeats Жыл бұрын

He’s using pressure altitude to calculate performance.

@Karuiko 4 жыл бұрын

What plotter is that? I keep using CP-R ones and they keep falling apart.

@darionwilliams9574 2 жыл бұрын

This is what math class should look like

@SafakSahin 4 жыл бұрын

i like the marriott pen

@808_murda2 9 ай бұрын

No way? You're from Michigan too? Have you ever flown to ptk or ozw?

@BoomerBlogging 6 жыл бұрын

After watching all of this I am so far behind that I actually think I'm ahead. My plan B - take up sailing . . .

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 6 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't check out just yet....sitting down with the right CFI for 30 minutes or so can usually sort all that out!

@BoomerBlogging 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks - just started my PPL on Sunday - at age 59 - your videos are amazing and will be checking in as a patron.

@flyer9544 5 жыл бұрын

Follow your dreams...

@goldie9864 11 ай бұрын

@@BoomerBlogging Seeing this comment 5yrs after you posted....hope you got the PPL. I started late too (50), just solo'd and x-country is next. Slower to learn than when I was a teen.

@piperpilot44253 5 жыл бұрын

Best video for X country planning. Perfect to send to my students.

@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 5 жыл бұрын

Glad that it helped!!

@RelaxinRoy 4 жыл бұрын

Good gouge, but gotta say the PA-28-181 (Archer III) POH did not make things easy. Figuring GS is still tough. I had to do a lot of hitting the pause button, and replay to get this down. Still, THANKS A MILLION. This is the best video I've been able to find on the subject.

@jondale4348 2 жыл бұрын

I feel your pain on the Old Piper POH :)

@RAF_Armourer 6 жыл бұрын

Happy New Year 2018. Hi, I like the plotter you are using, with the compass rose on the end. Who makes it please? Thx.

@CarbCutter75 6 жыл бұрын

That plotter is the wind slide part of a Cessna flight school E6B. It’s flight computer and plotter all in one device. It’s a great emergency backup in the cockpit. I picked one up for a couple bucks on eBay.

@kentuckysugarbear9644 2 жыл бұрын

Loved this. Super helpful. But 42.1 minus 2 does not equal 42 gallons. Still loved the video. Keep them coming!

@ele4853 3 жыл бұрын

with the speed you speak, this is good for those that know the subject. why would the ones knowing the subject watch it this? oh, ok to pad you on the back...

@kimberlywentworth9160 Жыл бұрын

The winds where I fly can change quite a bit where fly. I am am getting old 8 hour old wind data.

@artwright3128 4 жыл бұрын

What plotter r u using?

@earthsam1227 3 жыл бұрын

What E6B/Plotter combo is that, i want it.

@Pilot_engineer_19 2 жыл бұрын

Sure be nice to automate this process. With all the computer power around someone should do it.

@AbdulazizAlmawash 3 жыл бұрын

how did he determine the pressure altitude for cruise with the altimeter setting of 30.42?! METARS? They show only current & past altimeter settings. not useful when my flight is after an hour or more. TAFS? Looked for many, they do not show altimeter settings at all.. How?.. just how..cuz i cant go to the next if even that I didn't know how to calculate. I hate blind following..